How Chinampas are Working with Nature
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Question: How are chinampas working with nature? The Aztecs created all of it and imposed the canals on the landscape to manipulate nature. Is this even permaculture? What am I missing?
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Chinampas are usually planted with willows whose roots goes into the soil edge and inwards inside the artificial landmass, while planting black alder in between the willows for the roots of the black alder goes into the soil edge and into the surrounding water and thus reinforces the artificial banks or soil edge. Vetiver grass and Jiji-Sao grass can also reinforce and stabilize the soil edges and permanently prevents soil erosion. Willows and black alders can live on raw sewage and sewage sludge.
I think sometimes there is confusion on the principles of permaculture. The point IS TO INTERVENE. The point is to identify, design and initiate changes which lead to health, wealth, increased biodiversity and soil health in order to meet the prime directive. Our intervention uses patterns and methods that nature employs, but we intentionally design, implement and accelerate them. Leaving everything as you find it because "nature knows best", is not permaculture in my view. Thanks for the wisdom Geoff.
I remember watching a documentary of a homeless man who cycled across the Australian Outback. He associated a lot with Aborigines and learned their ways and he said he did not see any part of the Outback that had not been altered by human activity.
True. Permaculture is not "sit there and let nature do its job". We learn how nature work and accelerate it in such as a way that lead to abundance of species and resources that work harmoniously together.
Can you give us an update on this? would love to see how it is going now.
Or another response to Chloe..
Yes they did and the Aztecs are natural humans as are we..
We are natural beings using natural materials from our mother (mater .material)
Everything we create is completely natural.. Natural cars, iPhones and slag heaps..
I find this weird guilt based notion that humans are somehow separate
and perhaps therefore inherently 'bad' to be a very damaging belief.
"And we've got every right to do that."
I would assume that the rulers of the time who ordered them to be built saw it both as an obligation and an opportunity.
What if you built chinampas in a tesla valve formation to slow water flow?
I have all of Tesla’s U.S. patents. The Flavular Conduit is a fixed channel designed to regulate the direction of a moving fluid. Geoff, clearly stated that the pond is both shallow and still therefore unsuitable for a Flavular Conduit. The chinampas were floating islands that could be rotated to be oriented toward the sun for maximum sunlight.
The original chinampas in Lake Titicaca, Peru, has consistently produced 3 times more potatoes than their land based counterparts even though they are using only NATURAL GENETIC HEIRLOOM POTATO VARIETIES ONLY and without chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The natural corn varieties produces only 3 tons per hectare but in a chinampa they can produce 9 metric tons per hectare CONSISTENTLY. The Incan chinampas at Lake Tititcaca and the floating gardens and floating farms of Burma at lake Inle are the world's FIRST ALL ORGANIC AQUAPONIC SYSTEM THAT ARE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD and are time-tested and time-proven for they use natural organic soil which is a 10,000 year old time-tested and time-proven growing medium for soil is a naturally powerful regulator that allows farmers to make an honest mistake and still produces a sizable harvest at the same time.
The PDC is like that! You guys who don't do it don't know what you are missing.
Loved the last few sentences of the vid!!
They are floating reed islands, years of lake silt piled on top gradually sink them to the shallow lake bed. Green willow stakes are driven through the edges of the beds pinning the island in situ , the nature of green willow is that it regenerates rapidly locking the edges of the islands/rafts together. similar technology can be found in the marshes of Iraq which is probably where this system first originated. It has been speculated that one of these islands breaking free in a flood led to the tale of Noah's Ark, its as good an explanation as any other. the lake provides the water and the nutrients, Jeff's system at Zaytuna more like a Dutch polder in reverse.
yay for a new chinampa video!
do you have any data on the yield of chinampas? it would be great if you have some data for zone 8b! please send me any data you have i would love to hear from you!
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The original chinampas in Lake Titicaca, Peru, has consistently produced 3 times more potatoes than their land based counterparts even though they are using only NATURAL GENETIC HEIRLOOM POTATO VARIETIES ONLY and without chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The natural corn varieties produces only 3 tons per hectare but in a chinampa they can produce 9 metric tons per hectare CONSISTENTLY. The Incan chinampas at Lake Tititcaca and the floating gardens and floating farms of Burma at lake Inle are the world's FIRST ALL ORGANIC AQUAPONIC SYSTEM THAT ARE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD and are time-tested and time-proven for they use natural organic soil which is a 10,000 year old time-tested and time-proven growing medium for soil is a naturally powerful regulator that allows farmers to make an honest mistake and still produces a sizable harvest at the same time.
@@darthvader5300 thank you for the reply, if i were more awake i would try to write a similarly long thing but i just got back from a 11 hour road trip of 96% suffering. i will copy this to a notepad thing on my computer and subscribe to your youtube channel
Thank you Geoff ,, keep it up
The Jesus of Permaculture
G'day mate as always another great and interesting video, keep up the great work
Wonderful!
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It sounds a lot like what we call Riparian zones, stateside.
We have some dedicated ones in Arizona but they're a joke. it's natural fauna, which I understand and appreciate, but it's putting no real organic matter on the ground to build the soil. The soil is still dead. I wish they'd start adding organic matter down on the ground and planting species that help to absorb water into the soil and start building the ecosystem to make and truly habitable and fertile Riparian zone.
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Geoff as always doing a great job sending my best to you from Yorkshire.
Chinampas are a great technique, but they would have had to audit their waste and logically minimise labour and inputs to truly be permaculture.
Thanks men