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  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 Місяць тому +46

    I saw the thumbnail, then solved the problem during a bathroom break. But I was really cheating because I've seen this, and similar integrals getting solved before. The old phase shift and trig identities. Nice integral though!

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  Місяць тому +3

      Nice 👍 Yes these do get much easier after doing them a few times. Thanks 😀

    • @user-lu6yg3vk9z
      @user-lu6yg3vk9z 20 днів тому +1

      @@owl3mathwhat is name of principal at 4:33

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  19 днів тому

      @@user-lu6yg3vk9z hi. I've heard it called Queens principle but I only heard it called that recently. Anyway I did a video on it: ua-cam.com/video/wAWc44jtfzE/v-deo.html This is in the principles of definite integrals playlist

  • @pauljaquish8214
    @pauljaquish8214 Місяць тому +36

    One of my favorite problems! Some things I’ve learned over the years:
    When this problem appeared on the Putnam exam (back in the 70s or 80s or so), it came with the hint that sin(x) = (1/2)sin(x/2)cos(x/2). It’s funny how unhelpful that is compared to the usual solution from today.
    A variation of this problem appeared on the Berkeley math contest in 2020 (which is blackpenredpen’s school). There, they asked for the integral from 0 to pi/2 of x/tan(x). Integration by parts changes that to -ln(sin(x)). Their intended solution was an application of Feynman’s trick. I cannot believe any high schooler managed that.
    There’s another solution using Euler substitution. Replace sin(x) with e^ix(1-e^-2ix)/2i. This is interesting because it reduces to a solution to the Basel problem.

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  Місяць тому

      wow! A lot of interesting variations there. thanks :)

    • @koennako2195
      @koennako2195 Місяць тому +1

      That’s a lot of cool info there!

    • @dkravitz78
      @dkravitz78 Місяць тому

      When you do the complex method you suggested, you end up needing Li function, you get to integral of ln(1-t)/t from -1 to 1 eventually.

    • @koennako2195
      @koennako2195 Місяць тому

      @@dkravitz78 you might want to look at power series. Basel problem is a summation of 1/n^2 so using sums to do that might be useful

    • @dkravitz78
      @dkravitz78 Місяць тому

      @@koennako2195 yeah I guess that would work. The integral ends up being pi^2/6 minus pi^2/12 (i.e 1/2 of it) so it can be done that way. Good call

  • @algorithminc.8850
    @algorithminc.8850 16 днів тому +2

    Nice one. I look forward to checking out your channel. Subscribed. Cheers

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  15 днів тому +1

      Great thanks!!!

  • @MartinPerez-oz1nk
    @MartinPerez-oz1nk Місяць тому +2

    THANKS PROFESOR !!!!, VERY INTERESTING. !!!!

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  Місяць тому

      Thanks Martin! 👍👍👍

  • @EqSlay
    @EqSlay 27 днів тому +3

    The Gauss MVT makes this a two-liner.

  • @aryanjain6948
    @aryanjain6948 20 днів тому +1

    Even though i have already solved this problem, i juat viewed this for revision. Thanks

  • @ankitbhattacharjee_iitkgp
    @ankitbhattacharjee_iitkgp 19 днів тому +1

    And this was asked in our school's pre-board test. 😅
    One of the 'easy' questions of that paper which I could solve.

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  19 днів тому +2

      Wow your exam sounds pretty tough 😬😬

    • @ankitbhattacharjee_iitkgp
      @ankitbhattacharjee_iitkgp 19 днів тому +1

      @@owl3math Actually, yeah. That one was tough. Only some 40 people out of 200 (who had Maths) passed the paper.
      Actually to be honest in India, schools do reach to this level. And now think about JEE. And one more thing, this one was probably one of the easiest in MIT Integration Bee too.

  • @scott5388
    @scott5388 22 дні тому +1

    my first thought was using a power series 😅

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  22 дні тому

      Interesting...try it! :)

  • @siddhesh_sinha
    @siddhesh_sinha 19 днів тому +2

    Why would u convert sinx +cosx to sin2x just integrate byparts over there directly ,u get both antideriv+defnite integral ¿¿¿¿

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  19 днів тому +1

      Hello. Did it work for you? I think you are talking about when we have the integral ln(sinx) + ln(cos x) but not sure how it will work with IBP. I guess you then have an integral of x(cot x + tan x)

    • @siddhesh_sinha
      @siddhesh_sinha 19 днів тому +2

      @@owl3math yes i took ln(cosx+sinx) and byparts,so we get xln(sinx+cosx)-integ(x(cosx-sinx)/cosx+sinx) now this second one can be split and integrated

  • @Safa-os5kj
    @Safa-os5kj 23 дні тому +2

    Isn't by parts method a better option?

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  23 дні тому +2

      I think if it gets you straight to the answer then it would be but if I recall I think it doesn't work out nice in this case. But try it and let me know if I'm wrong. :)

    • @zada4439
      @zada4439 18 днів тому

      I don’t think so. this isn’t a product more like a composition

  • @quanesshatheseventeenth8617
    @quanesshatheseventeenth8617 Місяць тому +11

    Why’s the title so damn aggressive 💀

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  Місяць тому +2

      Ha! Well just because I said something like that in the video. It seemed like we were going around in circles before getting to the solution. But yeah it’s pretty dramatic

    • @jinanren2026
      @jinanren2026 29 днів тому

      @@owl3math or anticlimactic as you will yeah

  • @scdrive6967
    @scdrive6967 18 днів тому +2

    This is very BASIC Question taught in Indian textbooks for undergraduates

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  18 днів тому +1

      Interesting. The math education in India seems pretty advanced. 👍👍👍

  • @xunleqitrazer
    @xunleqitrazer 29 днів тому +3

    Am I just dumb or is this overcomplicated? Why not just integrate it normally? Like 1/(sin x) * (-cos (x)) = -1/(sin x) * cos(x). So integrate ln(x) and integrate whats inside the ln. At the end just calculate with the boundries. 😅

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  29 днів тому +2

      Not sure there is an easy way to do it. What method did you use?

    • @xunleqitrazer
      @xunleqitrazer 29 днів тому +1

      @@owl3math I think I just did it how it’s defined like ln becomes 1/x and what inside the ln gets also integrated and multiplied. I don’t know if it’s correct, just Germany’s 11th grade maths.

    • @jklolll
      @jklolll 29 днів тому

      ​@@xunleqitrazer well integrating ln does not yield 1/x though

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  28 днів тому

      Ok I see. Yes with integration by parts you can differentiate ln sin x but then after that it doesn’t seem to work out very nice. It maybe possible but I think it gets complicated. But No harm trying things. 👍😀

    • @xunleqitrazer
      @xunleqitrazer 28 днів тому +1

      @@owl3math I think I messed up integration and differentiation hehe. Well that’s my bad for the confusion.

  • @anonymous88897
    @anonymous88897 19 днів тому +1

    This is the easiest shit I ve seen so far.

  • @user-nw4sv4ki3g
    @user-nw4sv4ki3g 20 днів тому +1

    u really bad at writing.

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  20 днів тому

      Like bad handwriting? Yeah I know thanks for pointing it out 🤣

    • @lipo169
      @lipo169 19 днів тому +3

      ​@@owl3math To be fair, it looks kinda normal to me. Could be way worse, so be proud

    • @owl3math
      @owl3math  18 днів тому

      @@lipo169 ha! thanks for saying it :) I try to go slow to make it legible for people but my natural tendency is messy writing.

    • @Dreamy2k
      @Dreamy2k 4 дні тому

      ​@@owl3math seems pretty alright to me tbh,