Dis Faka808 Howzit from another 808 diver. Just bought a Sniper 105 after using a Riffe Competetor 3 for 10 years. Green rubbers with stock shaft best setup for The 105? Ukus are the best.
Hello! I have a sniper roller 125. Prompt what traction is better to use? I want to repeat your experience! But I have a scooter, and it has two traction roller and ring. whether it is possible to use rods 16mm 8mm spear as well as with 14.5mm? I just bought a gun and even without shooting him, but the order ermes kit, and trust you! disillusioned with a gun in your test ..
No you cannot use an 8mm shaft with the gun as the ET will accept maximum a 7mm shaft. I read that there is a way to remove the ET but still not sure how. I had to manually file off the ET and that took a long time.
Your videos are very good! Thank you so much! Unfortunately I watched this video after buying pathos sniper 105. The speargun shoots higher and left with the brand setup(6.75 and 2×16). I would appreciate if you could tell me what setup to choose and if I have to remove necessarily the ET. Thanks!
I would first check to see which ET I have. Apparently there is an ET with a larger diameter inside. This should work better. As for shaft shooting high, it is probably doing a "wheelie" and hitting nose up. That is not good at longer distances as if shaft tip goes up you lose power. Try loading line your on rest tab and if that doesn't work, try using another 6.75mm shaft. Removing the ET is not so easy and needs quite a big of modifying.
Ah ... no ... I mean that Pathos has 2 versions of an ET, one with a small diameter ET and the other with a larger diameter ET for the american market. Not sure which one you have. If the american version then for sure you should do well even with 7mm shaft ... but the other version (which is tested in this video here) did not do well with 7mm shaft as there was too much velocity drop on the ET. If your gun has the smaller ET then best setup would be a 6.75mm with 2 x 14mm small ID.
I think you can tap the track out by just using a small hammer and punch. But then you have to also remember that you need to add a pin to the muzzle as the ET holds the shaft without pin. Maybe just getting the version with a larger ET is a better option if you don't plan to spend a lot of time on the mod.
What is the better shaft for a sniper 105? 6.5 with 14.5mm bands or 6,75 with 14.5mm bands? And what trade of shaft. Thank you. I use to mine one with double flotters pathos 6.5.
Majd - have a suggestion for you. you have a lot of fans, some of whom have video editing skills. My son has a very strong youtube channel on disc golf and he's learned that his fans/subscribers want to help produce his very time-intensive event videos. So he's got graphics artists helping up his videos look more like ESPN, videographers helping film disc golf events around the world - motivated just because they want to support what he's doing for their beloved sport. It's kind of amazing (as are your tests). I think you could write up what you want for captions at different time-stamps, write a few editing guidelines and share files via the cloud. Ask and you might find some editing assistants! Also you could add a Patreon button for donations to help with your work that benefits the spearfishing sport so much.
Thanks for the information. But really I do this just as a hobby. It already is taking way more time than I would like and not sure I will be doing this as often. I still want to try out a few things ... like what is the best line to choose ... how does cable perform compared to mono ... etc... Maybe time to test those things now
Yes, I think a shark finned shaft 7mm shaft is a big improvement over the slotted 6.75mm shaft. But even then a 160cm shaft @7mm can cause shaft whip once the gun is pushed. Best is to go with a high quality 7.5mm @ 160cm.
thank you Majd! the 6.75mm shaft that comes with gun is @ 150cm. The 160cm isn't too long for a 110cm gun or it doesn't matter? Basically the question is : 7.5mm @ 150cm or 7.5mm @ 160cm? many thanks!
Your videos have helped many ppl to improve their spearguns. From your videos I have decided to buy a Raptor 115 and also if you have the time to answer my question...i have a sniper 95 pathos with the normal setup 2 x 16 and 6.75 shaft, what setup is the best for this gun? 2 X 14 sigal and 7.0 shaft? Thank you!!
Yes 2 x 14 small ID, but rather than Sigal bands try the Primeline bands. The Sigal purple bands are not very elastic and they don't perform as good and are much more difficult to load.
I have a pathos sniper roller and the gun changes buoyancy depending on the amount of water inside the muzzle. The empty space inside fills slowly if I go deeper and when the gun is out of water it dripps out slowly. Should I seal it or should I make a hole in it so water can flow in and out freely, remove the weights and hope it would be buoyand enough? Thank you! :)
Yes there is a cavity that fills up with water. You can a 2cm styroboard and then while the muzzle or back is removed ... just push it into the styroboard. The edges of the aluminum will make a perfect cut out. Do this a couple of times to fill the cavity and then put the gun back together. Don't use normal foam, use stiff XPS styroboard.
Thank you! Will try that. I am also going to mod my handle. Since i watched your videos I finally know why my gun shoots left all the time :) Keep up the great work!
Yes ... understanding how recoil works and how to control it properly with a good designed handle is a game changer! You get more shaft velocity, more power, more accuracy ... with less felt recoil. Remember, this is not an Ergonomic handle ... it is completely different. Try to go through the theory video part first to understand better how it all works.
I watched all the theory and I understand it is not about ergonomics but recoil transfer. I always thought a good gun should shoot precisely no matter how you hold it but it seems it's not like that. I have also come across a few problems during only 10 or so uses of my pathos roller (e.g. the rest pad totaly broke, one of the whishbones went through constrictor etc) because it is evident pathos was trying to cut production cost as much as possible, but with a bit of work I hope it will be a good gun. I also plan to change the rubber to rob allen although original pathos seems progressive enough.
I think for a 6.75mm shaft or smaller diameter shafts the ET will not affect things too much. But if using 7mm shaft , there probably is a significant drop in performance. With a 95 gun try using a 6.5mm shaft.
I want to buy a pathos sniper 105. How about changing the 2x16mm with the pathos latex anacoda 14mm (3,2). Should i put 6,5 or let th 6,75 shaft with this setup?
Best results I have had is using a 6.75mm or 7mm shaft and 2 x 14mm bands at 360%. You should not use more than 7mm shaft on the Sniper because of the Enclosed Track. Actually maybe 6.75mm will give better results. I do wish Pathos would widen the diameter of their ET to allow for 7.5mm and 8mm shafts for the longer guns.
360% means taking the distance from the band hole to the shark fin of the shaft and then multiply by 2 (2 sides) then divide by 3.6 for 360%. This is you band cut length. The wishbone length is up to what you like. This gives you an estimate as bands of same diameter rating are not always the exact same diameter.
I wonder why dont you take into consideration regarding length calc wishbone and constricting knot? What i do is Length from rubber hole to desired notch then subtract like 4 cm (wishbone plus .75~1 cm for un-used rubber after knot) Then multiply and divide and finally i add like 1.5~2 cm for the knot
If you mean R for roller ... I am not sure it helps. I did quite a comprehensive test with the roller kit felt it did not help performance. You can see that test here ua-cam.com/video/UBNw4PLqPfI/v-deo.html
Hi. Nice and helpfull videos. Would. You please some time try Sniper Roller R Sise 115. I already got one and will be fine you to try tio kínd of bandas. Roller and Booster. Or tell. Me your opinión a out that hun. Hope your answer. Think you
so you've actually bought all those guns???!!!!I thought you just borrowed them from companies or people in general...just to make the test...im 16 and i'm thinking to buy the saragos or other...do you have any suggestion from 200 to 300 price range?? i want it so that i can start shooting fishes from at least 1k....now i have the salvimar metal 105 but i'm thinking to sell it to buy another one...
Yes all these guns I own. My advice would be to get an aluminium Pathos with a D'Angelo 1 handle which has the plastic trigger and doesn't need upgrading of sears. A 100cm size will easily be able to handle what you want to shoot even at longer distances. I would switch out the bands to 14mm small ID as they are easier to load and give better velocities. But really you can use the gun as is with very good results.
i've ended up with the pathos open pro 110 or 100...it's pretty much the same money...so what you're saying is that 2x 14mm bands will be better than 2x16mm bands??it also has the handle you said...with the trigger you said as well...
You are still loading the gun WRONG the bands are twisted. Load by reaching though the band closest to you and grabbing the band closes to the end of the gun LOAD, then load the band that is closest to you. It’s always a god idea to read the manual. Good luck again👍🏼
Rrally dont understand how 14 diamètre rubbers Can give more vélocité than 16 I have gun El Gréco 120cm..with shaft 160/7mm with 2 rubbers 16 sigulsub extream...and tomorow i will change for 6.75... who knows now, maby with el Gréco will give différents result
Yes I also couldn't understand how 14mm small ID bands can perform better than 16mm ... but that is fact that I have confirmed over and over again in testing. I think maybe because thinner bands have less resistance to water drag ... thus for lighter shafts they can contract much faster ... thus more velocity. You can see this in action here ua-cam.com/video/FSK4HkkimXk/v-deo.html
@@majdq8 thanks for réponse and link, it's very kind from you. Just to add....i hadnt hunt more than year, and 2 hours ago im just came from sea. Actually i will change nothing on m'y gun..160/7mm is great with 2 rubbers and with 3 rubbers 16 which is origine setup, is perfect. Thanks, stay good, and Im waiting New vodeos. Aloha 🤙
You sir are madman, hands down for more then pro work ;)
I put the green rubber custom length on my 105 and been destroying ukus it's my new go to gun best gun I've fired in a long time totally worth it
Dis Faka808 Howzit from another 808 diver. Just bought a Sniper 105 after using a Riffe Competetor 3 for 10 years. Green rubbers with stock shaft best setup for The 105? Ukus are the best.
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Hello! I have a sniper roller 125. Prompt what traction is better to use? I want to repeat your experience! But I have a scooter, and it has two traction roller and ring. whether it is possible to use rods 16mm 8mm spear as well as with 14.5mm? I just bought a gun and even without shooting him, but the order ermes kit, and trust you! disillusioned with a gun in your test ..
No you cannot use an 8mm shaft with the gun as the ET will accept maximum a 7mm shaft. I read that there is a way to remove the ET but still not sure how. I had to manually file off the ET and that took a long time.
j'aurais une question (bête) mais une question a vous poser : le point que vous visez est il le bas du T ou le rectangle noir en dessous? Merci..
Is this possible for 95 cm with 6.75 mm shafts?
New doesn't necessarily mean better. I'll stick to my modified 120 Pathos Laser with its amazing accuracy/power. Thanks Majd.
I agree, the Pathos 120 is nice and shoots amazing once modified.
Your videos are very good! Thank you so much! Unfortunately I watched this video after buying pathos sniper 105. The speargun shoots higher and left with the brand setup(6.75 and 2×16). I would appreciate if you could tell me what setup to choose and if I have to remove necessarily the ET. Thanks!
I would first check to see which ET I have. Apparently there is an ET with a larger diameter inside. This should work better. As for shaft shooting high, it is probably doing a "wheelie" and hitting nose up. That is not good at longer distances as if shaft tip goes up you lose power. Try loading line your on rest tab and if that doesn't work, try using another 6.75mm shaft. Removing the ET is not so easy and needs quite a big of modifying.
majdq8 I think the bigger it suits in the ET is the 7mm. What about 7mm and 2×14?
Ah ... no ... I mean that Pathos has 2 versions of an ET, one with a small diameter ET and the other with a larger diameter ET for the american market. Not sure which one you have. If the american version then for sure you should do well even with 7mm shaft ... but the other version (which is tested in this video here) did not do well with 7mm shaft as there was too much velocity drop on the ET. If your gun has the smaller ET then best setup would be a 6.75mm with 2 x 14mm small ID.
majdq8 I will test this. I was thinking about cutting the ET with cutting wheel (if I call it right).
I think you can tap the track out by just using a small hammer and punch. But then you have to also remember that you need to add a pin to the muzzle as the ET holds the shaft without pin. Maybe just getting the version with a larger ET is a better option if you don't plan to spend a lot of time on the mod.
Why are guns made with enclosed tracks?
What is the better shaft for a sniper 105? 6.5 with 14.5mm bands or 6,75 with 14.5mm bands? And what trade of shaft. Thank you. I use to mine one with double flotters pathos 6.5.
What do you think about the carbon models in the 110 and 120 range?
I'm having a hard time with my Picasso 100 gun.. shaft is 140x6mm and it is not accurate. what rubber setup would you recommend for such thin shaft?
How did you remove the muzzle? It is really hard to remove it.
It is difficult but possible.
Excelent job. What mods would you recommend for a Pathos Laser Carbon Roller?
Isnt the shots wirh two 14,5 bands and 7 mm shaft on 110 speargun slow?..good penetrations as i see but isn't slow?
No not at all. 7mm shaft is super fast at shorter distances but will slow down quicker at longer distances than a heavier shaft.
@@majdq8 for a dentex( need fast shots) at 4,5 meters what shaft do you suggest with the 14,5 bands on a carbon 110 speargun? 7mm or 7,20
Ι own sniper 115 with 6.75mm shaft and two TNT 16 mm bands for dentex abuss.
How the 7mm with two 14.5 goes so well ?
7mm with 2 x 14.5 will dramatically improve performance.
another insightful test majd... can you post the newest Abellan Denton 120 test soon?
I finished that test and should post video of it soon. Editing video is something I certainly don't enjoy.
Majd - have a suggestion for you. you have a lot of fans, some of whom have video editing skills.
My son has a very strong youtube channel on disc golf and he's learned that his fans/subscribers want to help produce his very time-intensive event videos. So he's got graphics artists helping up his videos look more like ESPN, videographers helping film disc golf events around the world - motivated just because they want to support what he's doing for their beloved sport. It's kind of amazing (as are your tests). I think you could write up what you want for captions at different time-stamps, write a few editing guidelines and share files via the cloud. Ask and you might find some editing assistants! Also you could add a Patreon button for donations to help with your work that benefits the spearfishing sport so much.
Thanks for the information. But really I do this just as a hobby. It already is taking way more time than I would like and not sure I will be doing this as often. I still want to try out a few things ... like what is the best line to choose ... how does cable perform compared to mono ... etc... Maybe time to test those things now
now that the year is 2020. Would you still buy this gun? what guns are better quality and easier to use than this?
Hi can you do the test of pathos sniper inverter roller 105cm?
Great videos!! Have you tested the omer HF 110 special edition with the 3 14mm bands? Many thanks!!
no need for 3 bands, just 2 bands is perfect. The third band might actually hurt performance if using shafts @ 7mm diameter and less.
majdq8 thanks! Actually it comes with a 6.75mm shaft and my feeling is that it's overpowered indeed. Shall I change into a 7mm or 7.5mm one?
Yes, I think a shark finned shaft 7mm shaft is a big improvement over the slotted 6.75mm shaft. But even then a 160cm shaft @7mm can cause shaft whip once the gun is pushed. Best is to go with a high quality 7.5mm @ 160cm.
thank you Majd! the 6.75mm shaft that comes with gun is @ 150cm. The 160cm isn't too long for a 110cm gun or it doesn't matter? Basically the question is : 7.5mm @ 150cm or 7.5mm @ 160cm? many thanks!
hi can you please test bucanero II 126 gun with different setups?
Your videos have helped many ppl to improve their spearguns.
From your videos I have decided to buy a Raptor 115 and also if you have the time to answer my question...i have a sniper 95 pathos with the normal setup 2 x 16 and 6.75 shaft, what setup is the best for this gun? 2 X 14 sigal and 7.0 shaft?
Thank you!!
Yes 2 x 14 small ID, but rather than Sigal bands try the Primeline bands. The Sigal purple bands are not very elastic and they don't perform as good and are much more difficult to load.
@@majdq8 thank you very much!!
ok so wich one was the best ?
I have a pathos sniper roller and the gun changes buoyancy depending on the amount of water inside the muzzle. The empty space inside fills slowly if I go deeper and when the gun is out of water it dripps out slowly. Should I seal it or should I make a hole in it so water can flow in and out freely, remove the weights and hope it would be buoyand enough? Thank you! :)
Yes there is a cavity that fills up with water. You can a 2cm styroboard and then while the muzzle or back is removed ... just push it into the styroboard. The edges of the aluminum will make a perfect cut out. Do this a couple of times to fill the cavity and then put the gun back together. Don't use normal foam, use stiff XPS styroboard.
Thank you! Will try that. I am also going to mod my handle. Since i watched your videos I finally know why my gun shoots left all the time :) Keep up the great work!
Yes ... understanding how recoil works and how to control it properly with a good designed handle is a game changer! You get more shaft velocity, more power, more accuracy ... with less felt recoil. Remember, this is not an Ergonomic handle ... it is completely different. Try to go through the theory video part first to understand better how it all works.
I watched all the theory and I understand it is not about ergonomics but recoil transfer. I always thought a good gun should shoot precisely no matter how you hold it but it seems it's not like that. I have also come across a few problems during only 10 or so uses of my pathos roller (e.g. the rest pad totaly broke, one of the whishbones went through constrictor etc) because it is evident pathos was trying to cut production cost as much as possible, but with a bit of work I hope it will be a good gun. I also plan to change the rubber to rob allen although original pathos seems progressive enough.
hi do you have a spare speargun that you dont use anymore? cant buy my own speargun :(
Do you think enclosed track has such a bad impact on a 95 roller version?
I think for a 6.75mm shaft or smaller diameter shafts the ET will not affect things too much. But if using 7mm shaft , there probably is a significant drop in performance. With a 95 gun try using a 6.5mm shaft.
I want to buy a pathos sniper 105. How about changing the 2x16mm with the pathos latex anacoda 14mm (3,2). Should i put 6,5 or let th 6,75 shaft with this setup?
Best results I have had is using a 6.75mm or 7mm shaft and 2 x 14mm bands at 360%. You should not use more than 7mm shaft on the Sniper because of the Enclosed Track. Actually maybe 6.75mm will give better results. I do wish Pathos would widen the diameter of their ET to allow for 7.5mm and 8mm shafts for the longer guns.
360% means that the bands extend 3,6 times?
sorry but i am not a native speaker of english
360% means taking the distance from the band hole to the shark fin of the shaft and then multiply by 2 (2 sides) then divide by 3.6 for 360%. This is you band cut length. The wishbone length is up to what you like. This gives you an estimate as bands of same diameter rating are not always the exact same diameter.
ok thank you very much
I wonder why dont you take into consideration regarding length calc wishbone and constricting knot?
What i do is
Length from rubber hole to desired notch then subtract like 4 cm (wishbone plus .75~1 cm for un-used rubber after knot)
Then multiply and divide and finally i add like 1.5~2 cm for the knot
congrats! what about sniper with an R at the end?
If you mean R for roller ... I am not sure it helps. I did quite a comprehensive test with the roller kit felt it did not help performance. You can see that test here ua-cam.com/video/UBNw4PLqPfI/v-deo.html
Hi. Nice and helpfull videos. Would. You please some time try Sniper Roller R Sise 115. I already got one and will be fine you to try tio kínd of bandas. Roller and Booster. Or tell. Me your opinión a out that hun. Hope your answer. Think you
why don't you do a test for the pathos saragos carbon 100cm? or 110?
I don't have that gun, but I think it would perform similar to the other Pathos guns of the same size.
so you've actually bought all those guns???!!!!I thought you just borrowed them from companies or people in general...just to make the test...im 16 and i'm thinking to buy the saragos or other...do you have any suggestion from 200 to 300 price range?? i want it so that i can start shooting fishes from at least 1k....now i have the salvimar metal 105 but i'm thinking to sell it to buy another one...
Yes all these guns I own. My advice would be to get an aluminium Pathos with a D'Angelo 1 handle which has the plastic trigger and doesn't need upgrading of sears. A 100cm size will easily be able to handle what you want to shoot even at longer distances. I would switch out the bands to 14mm small ID as they are easier to load and give better velocities. But really you can use the gun as is with very good results.
i've ended up with the pathos open pro 110 or 100...it's pretty much the same money...so what you're saying is that 2x 14mm bands will be better than 2x16mm bands??it also has the handle you said...with the trigger you said as well...
Yes 2 x14mm small ID bands will be better. But default bands will work perfect for your needs.
(Two kind of banda) (your opinión a out that hun). Best set up. Think you
You are still loading the gun WRONG the bands are twisted. Load by reaching though the band closest to you and grabbing the band closes to the end of the gun LOAD, then load the band that is closest to you. It’s always a god idea to read the manual. Good luck again👍🏼
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Rrally dont understand how 14 diamètre rubbers Can give more vélocité than 16
I have gun El Gréco 120cm..with shaft 160/7mm with 2 rubbers 16 sigulsub extream...and tomorow i will change for 6.75... who knows now, maby with el Gréco will give différents result
Yes I also couldn't understand how 14mm small ID bands can perform better than 16mm ... but that is fact that I have confirmed over and over again in testing. I think maybe because thinner bands have less resistance to water drag ... thus for lighter shafts they can contract much faster ... thus more velocity. You can see this in action here ua-cam.com/video/FSK4HkkimXk/v-deo.html
@@majdq8 thanks for réponse and link, it's very kind from you.
Just to add....i hadnt hunt more than year, and 2 hours ago im just came from sea. Actually i will change nothing on m'y gun..160/7mm is great with 2 rubbers and with 3 rubbers 16 which is origine setup, is perfect.
Thanks, stay good, and Im waiting New vodeos.
Aloha 🤙