To anyone complaining about me being "salty" or "bitching". Of course I'm going to rage when I spend several hours stuck on the same mission due to bugs. It's a frustrating experience, and just because a mod is hard doesn't mean it's above criticism when it's simply unfair. Bear in mind this was done on a very early patch of the mod. It has now been updated several times since, and the missions are much more doable now. I'm only human, I'm going to get pissed off. If this episode is unwatchable, then episode 4 will be back to "normal". :)
Dude, frustration due to bugs is fine, I get it. Frustration because you don't know the intended strat for the mission is entirely on you. It's how GTA3 was coded, sorry dude. It's on you.
I totally agree, no one wants to hard being just 'random dice roll'. Some randomness is ok when it does not prevent skill to imply ofc (like some those missions)
At the end, how the guy died (from the looks of it): At 58:38 when the prison transport crashes into the pole and you get out, he also gets out. Presumably, he's behind the van when the FBI car crashes into you since you can briefly see a body under the truck at 58:43. I assume the flipped FBI car crushes and kills him when you run back to your cop car. This is such a wild ride.
Jesus Ben, the whole mission to kill Sal is to get on the building opposite and kill him with a rifle. It doesn't quite work if you rock up, flags flying , guns blazing, and then you go "WHY'S IT DIFFERENT?" The strat is to get in the alley opposite, fight people, to the intended balcony, and kill salvatore. It's literally how you do the mission properly. You have all the time to figure the strat out, cos unless you only do the speedrun route, it's HOW YOU DO THE MISSION. Fucksake.
Oh shit, why didn't I think of that? The top of the rooftop is heavily guarded, making that strategy impossible in such a tiny timeframe. But thanks for mansplaining basic mechanics to me :)
@@englishben Well you seemed confused about it. Sorry mate, but it's kinda hard to not "mansplain" to you when you don't show the "Intended" strat failing, It's like someone biting the bottom of a juice box, complaining they can't get the liquid out, but not showing that the perforated hole for their straw isn't present, then complaining that people are telling him to use the straw hole.
man i hope rob doesnt take all this bitching too much to heart. imagine spending months to develop this mod (including new content) and getting this as 'constructive criticism'
Also really disappointed in Eben here. Honestly, what did you expect playing a very hard version of GTA 3 that has so many flaws to begin with? Really felt sorry for Rob. For a much more enjoyable playthrough of the mod, go check up on Josh. He had a great time.
loved his VC playthrough; this was just too much though. i don't like hating on him, but come on, he's complaining about mistakes he was making, or random deaths that were honestly quite amusing, and blaming everything on the mod being "random". yeah it's difficult, yeah it's a bit random at times. that just makes for more entertainment though! he's thinking about it from a speedrunning point of view, wanting everything to be rng free but that's just not fun for the purposes of casual play. randomness leads to funny fails and amusement, yet he just gets way too salty over every little thing that doesn't go his way. i clicked off at the dodo part too after watching for way too long lol
Was looking forward to this video, but you just seemed so bitter towards everything after doing the dodo challenge. It's almost like you forgot that you're playing a more challenging version of GTA3 the way you were complaining about things.
@@onlyweatherlol93 yeah a little disheartened, not raging the way he was the entire video. Doesn't make for good content. I love most of Ben's content, especially the tightened series, but this one video just didn't do it fir me. How about you catch up buddy, this was 8 months ago, shits been and gone. 🤣
Big Dodo flight tip: Never pitch up! If you want to ascend, pitch down slightly as it gives you conversely more energy than you should gain from descending. Meaning you will start climbing after declining slightly a few times!
33:35 godlike headshot with a shotgun with 4 stars wanted level and surving with just 1 health. You are the best player of 3d gta. Congratulations Ben! Long time no see my man.
Been waiting excitedly for this one! I'm really enjoying this playthrough so far. Also, I agree with the points you were making during Uzi Rider. I still like the mod, but I also thought popped tires sounds like less fun and more bullshit for no reason. The long drive you have to do to redo the mission didn't make it better. I understand that this playthrough is slightly old now, so my hope is that these issues have been somewhat remedied since.
Pretty much all of this episode has been fixed since, and the missions are much more playable. People need to remember I'm essentially acting as a QA tester, as not many people test this mod before it goes public
@@englishben That makes sense, I didn't take that into account at first. Good to hear they've been fixed though! Makes me more eager to try the mod out.
The tire popping was removed from gta III before release because it wasn't fun. You can tell looking at this vs VS and SA where you can also have your tires popped - that it is just mechanically different in those games. The chance is way lower, the vehicles more controllable. In III they just become nearly unusable. In the other games they just get tougher controls.
Edited this way, I can see why it can come across as being critical. However, the creator was in chat and obviously took the criticisms on board, even if they were influenced by hours of play experience. You carried on despite this and it's still given us a video and an updated patch. Win win!
@@englishben Pay'n'spray during uzi rider, the balcony opposite luigi's club for syonara salvatore, also the dodo take off is very easy to rectify, u only need to back it up to the grass before taking off
Which version of the mod are you playing? I am playing 1.6 and uzi rider has a red/brown colored cartel cruiser (a yardie cruiser u see) as the car and it skips to the portland and starts at the portland at the start of the mission.
I know what you mean Ben cause the mission is 100% RNG and it not your fault if the mission fail like in FF7 speedrun in 10 hours in there a RNG thing that will kill the run you can't control it and the run die not because skill issue just cause RNG i understand what you mean
I'm totally on Ben's side on this one. All the previous missions were well designed, almost like a different game. But these recent missions are using the same gimmick: Annoying cops. It would make sense in the original GTA3 to go for the less guarded alleyway, but get real here...If they don't spot you, Sal will not come out in the first place, and then what do you do at the ventage point? Exactly. It's easy to give these bs advices, but go and try to beat this without getting angry. I bet you that will never happen. Chill the f out.
Hey Ben, I hope you are doing well. I love watching your content. But, this is the most British bitching behaviour. Snap out of it. It's fun and also entertaining watching you use your skills to beat these tough challenges. But, the complaining is very off putting. Patience is key. Anger management is also self control. I've gone from being a "rage at almost anything" person, to the person who will stay calm even at the most frustrating moments. It took me years but I eventually did it. As a viewer; I come to watch your videos to offload the daily pressing tasks I've done throughout my day. Watching your satisfying gameplay and have a good laugh at your funny moments. This is nice and helps me mentally. Sorry to have complained. With how good your content is; I had to mention it and get it of my chest. Carry on doing well and thrive at it. Your gameplay is unique and amazing. You are the only GTA 3, VC and SA player I watch. I hope too see a lot more of it and I hope to see this channel grow to attract viewers from all over the globe 😊. Thank you for your efforts of providing us with your content. King regards.
This mod is way too ambitious for GTA3. There are so many issues with the original game, but the simpler missions didn't push the game beyond its limits. The things that they added in the mod to make the missions more challenging aren't designed around these limitations and it only exacerbates problems. Trying to deal with bad car physics and enemy gangs is not fun with stricter time limits and more arbitrary fail conditions. It's really baffling that they decided to put their effort towards bringing back the most annoying mechanic in later games instead of the improvements from said games. (There's not even an ingame map for god's sake.) Also you should NEVER make the player use the Dodo in any mission because it will always be horrible. Flying that thing in this game requires an arbitrary skill set that's not needed for the rest of the game which takes a lot of trial and error, and there's so many ways to fall even if you do know how to fly it. It's just a bad gimmick. Anyways, it seems the mod has been updated a lot since this video came out so I hope the issues have been addressed, but to be quite frank, it's hard to make a challenge mod fun, especially with a game like this.
To anyone complaining about me being "salty" or "bitching". Of course I'm going to rage when I spend several hours stuck on the same mission due to bugs. It's a frustrating experience, and just because a mod is hard doesn't mean it's above criticism when it's simply unfair.
Bear in mind this was done on a very early patch of the mod. It has now been updated several times since, and the missions are much more doable now.
I'm only human, I'm going to get pissed off. If this episode is unwatchable, then episode 4 will be back to "normal". :)
Shameful, honestly... :p
Ignore the detractors Ben, us real fans love your content
eeeeh, we're only human, man
Dude, frustration due to bugs is fine, I get it. Frustration because you don't know the intended strat for the mission is entirely on you. It's how GTA3 was coded, sorry dude. It's on you.
I totally agree, no one wants to hard being just 'random dice roll'. Some randomness is ok when it does not prevent skill to imply ofc (like some those missions)
Oh brother that was an awful lot of bitching this time round
Philosopical nature of the game makes us all ask a very important question: You want the chainsaw gringo?
Rip Ray Liotta
Nice to hear him here, probably some AI voice generator thing but it sounds just like him
It's mostly legit Ray lines from VC and COD's Mob Of The Dead DLC, spliced together!
@@DinosaurBytes That's neat! Don't play COD that much so I didn't know haha
At the end, how the guy died (from the looks of it): At 58:38 when the prison transport crashes into the pole and you get out, he also gets out. Presumably, he's behind the van when the FBI car crashes into you since you can briefly see a body under the truck at 58:43.
I assume the flipped FBI car crushes and kills him when you run back to your cop car.
This is such a wild ride.
Imagine playing a hard version of a game, that's already really difficult, and then complaining about how hard it is.
Jesus Ben, the whole mission to kill Sal is to get on the building opposite and kill him with a rifle. It doesn't quite work if you rock up, flags flying , guns blazing, and then you go "WHY'S IT DIFFERENT?"
The strat is to get in the alley opposite, fight people, to the intended balcony, and kill salvatore. It's literally how you do the mission properly. You have all the time to figure the strat out, cos unless you only do the speedrun route, it's HOW YOU DO THE MISSION. Fucksake.
Oh shit, why didn't I think of that?
The top of the rooftop is heavily guarded, making that strategy impossible in such a tiny timeframe.
But thanks for mansplaining basic mechanics to me :)
@@englishben Well you seemed confused about it.
Sorry mate, but it's kinda hard to not "mansplain" to you when you don't show the "Intended" strat failing, It's like someone biting the bottom of a juice box, complaining they can't get the liquid out, but not showing that the perforated hole for their straw isn't present, then complaining that people are telling him to use the straw hole.
man i hope rob doesnt take all this bitching too much to heart. imagine spending months to develop this mod (including new content) and getting this as 'constructive criticism'
The criticism: "Hard mission on a modded to be fucking hard GTA III game"
Rob and I speak every day, there's no animosity between us. After this stream I specifically reached out to make sure that was the case
@@englishben Can confirm, we all good :)
Holy crap you became so salty half way through the video
Yea, I clicked off the video half way through, he was so annoying and only complaining to the mod creator
Yeah, not complaining but compared to vice city, this is hard above 60fps.
Also really disappointed in Eben here. Honestly, what did you expect playing a very hard version of GTA 3 that has so many flaws to begin with? Really felt sorry for Rob. For a much more enjoyable playthrough of the mod, go check up on Josh. He had a great time.
@@Delcaek already finished Josh's VOD. Despite "speedrunning" he enjoyed it a lot more.
loved his VC playthrough; this was just too much though. i don't like hating on him, but come on, he's complaining about mistakes he was making, or random deaths that were honestly quite amusing, and blaming everything on the mod being "random". yeah it's difficult, yeah it's a bit random at times. that just makes for more entertainment though! he's thinking about it from a speedrunning point of view, wanting everything to be rng free but that's just not fun for the purposes of casual play. randomness leads to funny fails and amusement, yet he just gets way too salty over every little thing that doesn't go his way. i clicked off at the dodo part too after watching for way too long lol
Missed opportunity of the thumbnail being he dodo but be a salt shaker lol
soyjack malding so hard
Was looking forward to this video, but you just seemed so bitter towards everything after doing the dodo challenge. It's almost like you forgot that you're playing a more challenging version of GTA3 the way you were complaining about things.
Erm, considering there were several bugs found that ruined the overall experience, he's entitled to be a little disheartened. Please rest
@@onlyweatherlol93 yeah a little disheartened, not raging the way he was the entire video. Doesn't make for good content. I love most of Ben's content, especially the tightened series, but this one video just didn't do it fir me. How about you catch up buddy, this was 8 months ago, shits been and gone. 🤣
I would have been mad too, I’m glad you don’t fake it for the cameras. This is true frustration and I like it 😂
Salty Ben is prime kino. Probably the most entertaining episode in the series.
He is so annoying with all this nagging. Dude is being irritated with everything it seems.
Honestly English Ben's seethe in this video is strange considered the original Toughened is even worse in terms of understanding tbh.
Big Dodo flight tip: Never pitch up! If you want to ascend, pitch down slightly as it gives you conversely more energy than you should gain from descending. Meaning you will start climbing after declining slightly a few times!
I've been waiting for this so bad, it felt like ages
The nuclear levels of asspain tho
Tonight, on Tightened Trice. Tommy returns to Liberty. The Dodo have a Kitty Hawk Moment, and Ben is broken by the Bugs.
33:35 godlike headshot with a shotgun with 4 stars wanted level and surving with just 1 health.
You are the best player of 3d gta.
Congratulations Ben!
Long time no see my man.
Been waiting excitedly for this one! I'm really enjoying this playthrough so far.
Also, I agree with the points you were making during Uzi Rider. I still like the mod, but I also thought popped tires sounds like less fun and more bullshit for no reason. The long drive you have to do to redo the mission didn't make it better. I understand that this playthrough is slightly old now, so my hope is that these issues have been somewhat remedied since.
Pretty much all of this episode has been fixed since, and the missions are much more playable. People need to remember I'm essentially acting as a QA tester, as not many people test this mod before it goes public
@@englishben That makes sense, I didn't take that into account at first. Good to hear they've been fixed though! Makes me more eager to try the mod out.
The tire popping was removed from gta III before release because it wasn't fun. You can tell looking at this vs VS and SA where you can also have your tires popped - that it is just mechanically different in those games. The chance is way lower, the vehicles more controllable. In III they just become nearly unusable. In the other games they just get tougher controls.
Man I really felt sorry for you doing all this fucking missions but not gonna lie it was really fun watching you suffer
This was just sad some how
So tetchy with the coronas, funny.
Edited this way, I can see why it can come across as being critical. However, the creator was in chat and obviously took the criticisms on board, even if they were influenced by hours of play experience. You carried on despite this and it's still given us a video and an updated patch. Win win!
I think cutting out long drives even with a worse car, would still be more fun than being given a fast car and having to make the drive.
I’ve Ben waiting for this video lol
46:00 This game aint exactly made for speedrunners only :/
This mod is literally made for speedrunners, it says so in the mod description :)
@@englishben Still, you're COMPLETELY disregarding any strategy that a speedrunner avoids, like the whole thing is banned for non speedrunners or sth
Regardless, i rly mean no disrespect, everyone has the right to play as they wish
@@atanaskirov6916 No offence taken, I'm curious though. What strategies exactly did you think I'm disregarding?
@@englishben Pay'n'spray during uzi rider, the balcony opposite luigi's club for syonara salvatore, also the dodo take off is very easy to rectify, u only need to back it up to the grass before taking off
Which version of the mod are you playing? I am playing 1.6 and uzi rider has a red/brown colored cartel cruiser (a yardie cruiser u see) as the car and it skips to the portland and starts at the portland at the start of the mission.
This was on an earlier patch. If you check out the later episodes the new patch gets released and I attempt the mission again :)
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I know what you mean Ben cause the mission is 100% RNG and it not your fault if the mission fail like in FF7 speedrun in 10 hours in there a RNG thing that will kill the run you can't control it and the run die not because skill issue just cause RNG i understand what you mean
I'm totally on Ben's side on this one. All the previous missions were well designed, almost like a different game. But these recent missions are using the same gimmick: Annoying cops. It would make sense in the original GTA3 to go for the less guarded alleyway, but get real here...If they don't spot you, Sal will not come out in the first place, and then what do you do at the ventage point? Exactly.
It's easy to give these bs advices, but go and try to beat this without getting angry. I bet you that will never happen. Chill the f out.
omg this is great
Just what I was waiting for 😃
this one's salty, sheeeesh, but knowing that it helped to improve the mod your complaints are completely justified
Hoping you’re happier in the next episode, wasn’t nice to see you as angry as you were. Understand why you was like that but wasn’t nice to see.
I took a break after ep3, so ep4 will be happier :)
Hey Ben, I hope you are doing well.
I love watching your content.
But, this is the most British bitching behaviour. Snap out of it.
It's fun and also entertaining watching you use your skills to beat these tough challenges.
But, the complaining is very off putting.
Patience is key. Anger management is also self control.
I've gone from being a "rage at almost anything" person, to the person who will stay calm even at the most frustrating moments. It took me years but I eventually did it.
As a viewer; I come to watch your videos to offload the daily pressing tasks I've done throughout my day.
Watching your satisfying gameplay and have a good laugh at your funny moments. This is nice and helps me mentally.
Sorry to have complained. With how good your content is; I had to mention it and get it of my chest.
Carry on doing well and thrive at it.
Your gameplay is unique and amazing. You are the only GTA 3, VC and SA player I watch. I hope too see a lot more of it and I hope to see this channel grow to attract viewers from all over the globe 😊.
Thank you for your efforts of providing us with your content.
King regards.
That cliffhanger had me waiting for this. Thanks for the upload!
Edit: These missions were stressful 😞
I thought modder added guy with Ben's face texture in the game :D but that was cool too. Even better.
Eb ftw
This mod is way too ambitious for GTA3. There are so many issues with the original game, but the simpler missions didn't push the game beyond its limits. The things that they added in the mod to make the missions more challenging aren't designed around these limitations and it only exacerbates problems. Trying to deal with bad car physics and enemy gangs is not fun with stricter time limits and more arbitrary fail conditions. It's really baffling that they decided to put their effort towards bringing back the most annoying mechanic in later games instead of the improvements from said games. (There's not even an ingame map for god's sake.)
Also you should NEVER make the player use the Dodo in any mission because it will always be horrible. Flying that thing in this game requires an arbitrary skill set that's not needed for the rest of the game which takes a lot of trial and error, and there's so many ways to fall even if you do know how to fly it. It's just a bad gimmick.
Anyways, it seems the mod has been updated a lot since this video came out so I hope the issues have been addressed, but to be quite frank, it's hard to make a challenge mod fun, especially with a game like this.
Bruh this is unwatchable with all of that bitching lmao
I would be frustrated too 😆😆