There are many ideas out there about militarism in Scouting. BP was an officer in the British Army for many years and developed the concept of Scouting while defending a town in South Africa's second Boer War at the turn of the 20th century. His ideas of youth cadets at that time became modern-day Scouting. Do you think a show about the history of the Siege of Mafeking and how the Scouting ideal began? Or something more American? Like, is Scouting more militarism for youth _(ROTC junior edition)_ ? Let me know your ideas. Thank you for starting this conversation. YIS⚜
Love your videos full of great info. Question. Recently came back into scouts because of my son. It was asked to become a Den leader. I have neckerchiefs going back to my grandfather was a scout leader. Is it acceptable to change the color of some of the neckerchiefs and wear them as a den leader.
I think it's wonderful that you're back involved in Scouting. The Den Leader position is a wonderful start to getting back into the tradition of Scouting. The neckerchief from the past should be worn with pride. This is also a great way to introduce Cub Scouts to a Troop Scouting future. I would say go ahead and start wearing the vintage neckerchiefs you have. This will get the conversation started with the Pack and your Den. I don't believe that the National BSA Supply Division has disbanded the wearing of any issued uniform item ever. if it's in good condition go ahead and wear it. Thank you for the question. YIS⚜
I heard somewhere that OA lodges aren’t supposed to (or aren’t allowed to) have different flaps for Ordeal, Brotherhood, and Vigil. Do you know if that’s A) a rule, B) a recommendation, or C) just a rumor ? I’m curious because my lodge (which shall remain un-named) has maintained 3 different flap variations for our O, B, and V members ever since the early 1970s. All 3 have the same design and border color, but different background colors.
Thank you so much for the question. When I transferred my membership from MaKaJaWan to Tipisa (2003) they had three different border colors of flaps. A few years later they told everyone that they were no longer allowed to have different flaps for Ordeal, Brotherhood, or Vigil. Last year they reintroduced the three different border colors and charge a dollar more for each patch. The orange Ordeal is $4, Brotherhood red is $5, and Vigil brown is $6. I have also heard of lodges with one per Ordeal (once-in-a-lifetime) flaps given to participants. I understand that within the Order of the Arrow that the levels of awareness are not necessarily looked at as ranking. Once a Scout has completed the Ordeal their membership in the Order of the Arrow is permanent. Participating in Brotherhood is the completion of the membership process. Vigil Honor, Founders Award, and many others are just additions to their permanent membership. I see both sides of the issue and believe that different lodge flaps are created as a fundraiser. Because there is no difference in the cost of having the same lodge flap with different color borders. This makes an increasingly profitable arrangement at no additional cost. On the other hand, I think that the founders would look at this as a type of _“cast”_ system with great disdain. They would probably try to shut that down, to prevent problems or from things getting out of hand. Or maybe it's just nostalgia for old traditions longing for reconsideration. Again thank you so much for asking the question, However, I don't think it has a definitive answer. I encourage everyone that reads this to add their thoughts. YIB🔺
Question I am about to go back to cub scout troop for the leadership requirement for star wondering if there is any rules about patches (like flap patches) just wondering thanks.
As far as collecting and trading there are no specific rules. However, you should only wear appropriate patches on your uniform. The patch location of these is printed out on the inside covers of the handbook. There is a video on where to put patches that you have earned. ua-cam.com/video/BGJ_6iO-x6U/v-deo.html I am not really sure about the first part of your question. Are you going back to a Cub Scout pack as a Den Chief to fulfill leadership requirements for the rank of Star? If so there is a video about den chiefs. ua-cam.com/video/6wPXj12rsQc/v-deo.html Thank you so much for the questions. YIS⚜
Troop patches are incredibly collectible. It's always surprising to me that troops don't have an annual patch that they put out every year. This can be themed based on the calendar of adventures that the troop wants to do. All of the alumni, parents, and fans of your troop would love to get a patch. It could also be a good fundraiser opportunity. Yes, your Scouts can trade patches at summer camp. YIS⚜
@christopherd.winnan8701 - Sorry for not replying sooner there are over 25K comments on the channel and it's hard to keep up with some of the replies. There is a video about designing custom patches [ ua-cam.com/video/-kE8FcELagM/v-deo.html ]. Take a look at it and let me know what you think in a new comment. YIS⚜
A seller was selling patches with bits of shirts on them. As a shirt collector i was not happy. He told me no one wants the shirts so he cut the patches off and got irritated at me. I'm a smaller person that can fit some of them.
It's a shame that the dealer did not realize there was value in the vintage shirt. Now that all depends on the condition of the shirt, but chopping off the patches seems a little crude. I would hope that whatever patches you got from that dealer it was at a very low cost as they didn't know what they were doing. YIS⚜
A couple months back one of our leaders was in Australia and brought me back a leader’s uniform with some of the patches that go with it.
Hey scouter Stan will you talk about Militarism in scouts BSA some time in the future?
There are many ideas out there about militarism in Scouting. BP was an officer in the British Army for many years and developed the concept of Scouting while defending a town in South Africa's second Boer War at the turn of the 20th century. His ideas of youth cadets at that time became modern-day Scouting.
Do you think a show about the history of the Siege of Mafeking and how the Scouting ideal began? Or something more American? Like, is Scouting more militarism for youth _(ROTC junior edition)_ ? Let me know your ideas. Thank you for starting this conversation. YIS⚜
@@ScouterStan I believe both should be done either together or in different videos but that would definitely shine some light on the subject 😅
I’m trying to get at least one Council Strip from each state.
Love your videos full of great info. Question. Recently came back into scouts because of my son. It was asked to become a Den leader. I have neckerchiefs going back to my grandfather was a scout leader. Is it acceptable to change the color of some of the neckerchiefs and wear them as a den leader.
I think it's wonderful that you're back involved in Scouting. The Den Leader position is a wonderful start to getting back into the tradition of Scouting. The neckerchief from the past should be worn with pride. This is also a great way to introduce Cub Scouts to a Troop Scouting future. I would say go ahead and start wearing the vintage neckerchiefs you have. This will get the conversation started with the Pack and your Den. I don't believe that the National BSA Supply Division has disbanded the wearing of any issued uniform item ever. if it's in good condition go ahead and wear it. Thank you for the question. YIS⚜
I heard somewhere that OA lodges aren’t supposed to (or aren’t allowed to) have different flaps for Ordeal, Brotherhood, and Vigil. Do you know if that’s A) a rule, B) a recommendation, or C) just a rumor ?
I’m curious because my lodge (which shall remain un-named) has maintained 3 different flap variations for our O, B, and V members ever since the early 1970s. All 3 have the same design and border color, but different background colors.
Thank you so much for the question. When I transferred my membership from MaKaJaWan to Tipisa (2003) they had three different border colors of flaps. A few years later they told everyone that they were no longer allowed to have different flaps for Ordeal, Brotherhood, or Vigil. Last year they reintroduced the three different border colors and charge a dollar more for each patch. The orange Ordeal is $4, Brotherhood red is $5, and Vigil brown is $6. I have also heard of lodges with one per Ordeal (once-in-a-lifetime) flaps given to participants. I understand that within the Order of the Arrow that the levels of awareness are not necessarily looked at as ranking. Once a Scout has completed the Ordeal their membership in the Order of the Arrow is permanent. Participating in Brotherhood is the completion of the membership process. Vigil Honor, Founders Award, and many others are just additions to their permanent membership. I see both sides of the issue and believe that different lodge flaps are created as a fundraiser. Because there is no difference in the cost of having the same lodge flap with different color borders. This makes an increasingly profitable arrangement at no additional cost. On the other hand, I think that the founders would look at this as a type of _“cast”_ system with great disdain. They would probably try to shut that down, to prevent problems or from things getting out of hand. Or maybe it's just nostalgia for old traditions longing for reconsideration. Again thank you so much for asking the question, However, I don't think it has a definitive answer. I encourage everyone that reads this to add their thoughts. YIB🔺
Question I am about to go back to cub scout troop for the leadership requirement for star wondering if there is any rules about patches (like flap patches) just wondering thanks.
As far as collecting and trading there are no specific rules. However, you should only wear appropriate patches on your uniform. The patch location of these is printed out on the inside covers of the handbook. There is a video on where to put patches that you have earned. ua-cam.com/video/BGJ_6iO-x6U/v-deo.html I am not really sure about the first part of your question. Are you going back to a Cub Scout pack as a Den Chief to fulfill leadership requirements for the rank of Star? If so there is a video about den chiefs. ua-cam.com/video/6wPXj12rsQc/v-deo.html Thank you so much for the questions. YIS⚜
We have our own Troop patch, can our scouts trade the Troop patch at the summer camps?
Troop patches are incredibly collectible. It's always surprising to me that troops don't have an annual patch that they put out every year. This can be themed based on the calendar of adventures that the troop wants to do. All of the alumni, parents, and fans of your troop would love to get a patch. It could also be a good fundraiser opportunity. Yes, your Scouts can trade patches at summer camp. YIS⚜
@@ScouterStan - Perhaps in the future, you could make a video about sourcing custom patches?
@christopherd.winnan8701 - Sorry for not replying sooner there are over 25K comments on the channel and it's hard to keep up with some of the replies. There is a video about designing custom patches [ ua-cam.com/video/-kE8FcELagM/v-deo.html ]. Take a look at it and let me know what you think in a new comment. YIS⚜
A seller was selling patches with bits of shirts on them. As a shirt collector i was not happy. He told me no one wants the shirts so he cut the patches off and got irritated at me. I'm a smaller person that can fit some of them.
It's a shame that the dealer did not realize there was value in the vintage shirt. Now that all depends on the condition of the shirt, but chopping off the patches seems a little crude. I would hope that whatever patches you got from that dealer it was at a very low cost as they didn't know what they were doing. YIS⚜
@@ScouterStan Didn't buy from him. EBAY seller.