Using an RT809F Programmer to Unbrick a Mobo - LFC
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- I've used this programmer in a couple of videos now, so here's a formal demonstration / review. I'm by no means an expert on this subject, but as you can see, it's a powerful and low-cost tool to get started with BIOS/Firmware flashing!
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This was my motherboard. Many thanks to Adamant IT for fixing it after Asus refused the RMA.
Background: The motherboard went into the "flashing zero zero" after a trivial BIOS change. It had been functioning perfectly up until that point. Each component in the system was tested independently to prove it was a motherboard issue. The USB flashback method did not work.
The fixed motherboard is now back in a case and working as expected.
Top Job. The world needs Adamant IT to fix more things.
I was going to ask if USB flashback would work or not in that situation, Thanks for confirming Pip and thanks for making the video Graham. :)
It's always a BIOS issue when you decide to update your PC. If the BIOS is working fine, leave that grenade alone!
@@MrShwaggins Don't know how many times I keep saying that to my buddy... but more along the lines of "if your rig is working, don't pull the pin on the bios update, it'll blowback"
@@BeezyKing99 If you want a power failure at the worst time, just make sure you don't have a UPS and are updating firmware or BIOS on anything. 90% chance of success
Asus screwed me over many years ago. I no longer buy anything at all from them.
Just noticed you hit 100K, congrats dude!
Thanks, that is a great intro into the programmer, the HDMI ISP flashing looks like a really game changer for bad monitor flash repairs (assuming its reasonably universally supported).
Excellent Video Adamant!: Very concisely explained and executed. I found this very helpful. We use motherboards on our analyzers and this gives me tools to recover a board that has been corrupted. More options at our disposal now. Thank you!
I have owned an RT809F for some time but didn't have a clue how to use it. Thanks to your superb video, I have been able to revive an ASUS B85M-G motherboard. The symptoms were a POST message indicating that CMOS settings needed to be recovered. After pressing the key indicated, a blank screen would appear and the system would be completely unresponsive. In this case, the chip was in a socketed DIP-8 package so removal and reinstallation were easy. In fact, no adapters were necessary - the chip plugged straight into the device! It seems that sporadic BIOS corruption can occur, since I know the owner of this computer wouldn't have tried to update his BIOS. He found it working one day and not the next.
Jumper cables for bread boards will fit on the pins. One side female and the other male. Buzz it out with a multi meter for pinout. This would be handy if you dont have a soldering iron.
better use female-female cable combined with standard 8 pin adapter that you get (or can just buy 20 of them for about $1) with all these zif's programmers. It will be easier for use.
You explain everything so easily, nice job, my progress in understanding laptop repair basically came from watching one of your videos, tell you the truth, I had a headache all day after watching that video cos I had been trying for over 6 months to understand what I was learning but couldn’t, then I stumbled on that video, your video was an eye opener and sent headache straight into my brain, took a long sleep after that, woke up and my eyes were open to see things I’ve been missing all along, need I say it was a good headache (wheeew)
Thank you so very much 🙏🙏🙏🙏
VGA IN is for passthrough so that you can test monitors there are test tools under the tool menu, great video, when getting into laptop bios it get very interesting, where you would need to copy serial numbers , board numbers and windows keys 👍
These videos of yours are great! I learn something new and useful every single time, and the way you deliver the information is perfect. Don't. Ever. Stop.
That is a very standard pinout on that header by the looks of it. I am very surprised to even see it actually, they usually don't include the JTAG header in the final release of the board. The programmer that I used was a Dediprog, I do not recommend it unless you are willing to lay down serious money. You can indeed find the inexpensive model (Ee100) for $100 or less (I used the SF100 for BIOS programming), which isn't a bad price, but this is only for the programmer. The company does not give away the software even if you have the hardware. There are full levels of different types of software at their own price points. Definitely a case of getting what you pay for though. Their products are capable of programming pretty much everything that ever existed or will exist, but you have to purchase the hardware/software for it, they do not have a hobby grade or even "partially pro" kit the last time I checked. Times change though so who knows?
If you want a "good" clip (as good as they ever get anyway) check into 3M, Pomona, or Mueller brands and do NOT get these off amazon or ebay, there are far to many fakes to know if you are getting what you want. Go straight to whatever passes for an industrial electronics supplier in your country. I personally use Digikey or Mouser in the US, I don't purchase from the cheap suppliers for electronic components when it matters to me.
Thanks. That was fun to watch for someone who does not do this for a living. I enjoy the process you go through and the way you explain it. Thanks again.
Just perfect as always 👌🏻 thank you for your hard work!! You really deserve more from youtube!!! Your info is pure gold for electronics! 👏🏼🏅🏅🏅
I've also found a pencil eraser does a great job at cleaning contacts in a pinch.
Fabulous 👌 👏, The beauty of this video is lovely, descriptive and very informative , Thanks Brother..Your efforts to create such videos from you is👌 Fantastic , Keep it always up
Yaaay man, freaking awesome!
I knew this was a thing but I have never seen it before. So cool you do all these videos man. Totally underrated channel.
Great video.
Thank you for sharing.
I have a couple of the CH341A programmers that came with the SOP8 clips and I haven't had any problems using them on most devices that support ISCP.
The motherboards that do have a JTAG like connector probably has a pin that tells the IC, that is connected to the SPI Flash chip, to stay in a tri-state/high impedance mode. This allows for the ability for ISCP to work.
I am also in the retro computer area and I know some hardware people that use some FPGA devices that use a SPI flash to hold the firmware as well and they have a jumper so you can use the clip on the 25Q80BV SOP8 chip to program it.
In the cases where you can't find pinouts for the JTAG like port to program the flash chip then it is probably easier to just go ahead and desolder the chip then backup the chip and reprogram it with current BIOS image.
I have one of the newer CH341A v1.7 programmers on its way, but I think I will go ahead and order one of these as well. The extra adapters that come with the RT809F look like they could be very useful.
28:16 thats what we all like to see. Thank you for this video. I am finally go to repair bios.
Might wanna use some Kapton tape on the plastic parts.
I was thinking some alu foil, just to protect the plastic parts and guide heat away from them. But Kapton tape may be a better choice.
I use the same device to program keys to VW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, because in those cars you have to do it via eeprom. I'm a professional locksmith by the way and also an electronics and computers enthusiast big time.
10:09 Wow that BIOS just came of so smooth!
Please try the HDMI port on a TV next. It'd be really helpful to know if you can "trick" a TV into cooperating like this as well.
I have done an Alienware MS-7862 motherboard in-situ via the header port. Worked ok.
Polyimide tape protect the components agains heat during soldering.
@@din-kin Polyimide tape is like kapton
As usual, very interesting and useful. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing this kind of content.
Thank you so very much, I have couple PC's that need reprogramming and had a lot of doubts about the process
Me watching in awe with my CH341a
Same here lol, how many clips/pegs have you gotten through lol
😀😀😀😀
Very nice video ! Great job and nice Demonstration of rt809f !!!
6:23 gotta love me some basic input/output system system
I also had pretty much no luck with the clips, but then one time I realised you actually must turn on the system in order for the clip to work!
This is because the power supply in the programmer can't power the chip plus whatever is connected to it on the motherboard!
(In my case I get overcurrent error)
For power cycling boards like this though, you need a paper clip to jump-start the psu so the psu never shuts off
Hello there buddy ,, great video as usual ... only think is that when connecting to the chip trough VGA ISP ,, the monitor should be OFF :) but in the main outlet.
Very helpful man...thank you so much for going in-depth about these. I do have a EVC2 from Elmorlabs and a clip...thankfully I never had to use it (although I tested it and works) :)
Very nice product Graham! Dutch regards, Nico.
The Pin 1 WAS indeed marked on the motherboard... there was a 1cm or so thicker line on the pin 1 position...
Gorgeous video
Thank you so much
Hi Graham if you búy adapter you can also flash SIO chips or KBC CHIP like the ENE chip. Just to inform you.
I like your channel.
Keep up the good work
Regards Steve from Belgium
Interesting, I'll look into that!
Very useful information, as usual. Thank you !
one of my favorite channel, you can realy learn something...
Absolutely brilliant video,graham thankyou so mych indeed,very helpfull indeed,
The IPS. Since it is made in China is a spelling mistake. They mean to have The Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI) . They just spell it backwards. But this is a great video. Good Job man!!!
Hahaha, is it really that simple?! I figured it was a separate protocol for communication through the display interface or something!
You can easily beep out the pin header against the pins of the chip. IDK if ordinary Dupont (Arduino style) cables will fit on the pins, I suspect the pins are too small. But when you have that pin header sitting there, it's almost a shame not to use it. Of course if your programmer is not able to drive the chip while it's in circuit, it wont help. But if the programmer is any good, I suppose it should work?
I would advise you buy a buspirate v3 or a busblaster as a tool for reprogramming, both handle spi chips as well as lpc bios and jtag for router recovery. both have well documented tools for this as well as special tools for doing recovery work from some chips(emmc, sd cards) . They also double up as serial interface. the buspirate will also act as many other devices (uart,spi,i2c,jtag,sdcard & more), open source software is well supported and windows/linux gui/non-gui versions of many programs exist. bonus is both devices also compatible with sigrok logic analyzer.
Just thought I would also add... One of those adapters has a 7 pin header that would have plugged directly into the JTAG on the motherboard. Just an 8 pin ribbon cable would've got the job done. Of course you have to own the cable with connectors on it heh
Nice video, The last time I had a bricked MB, we could use a chip puller to get the bios chip out :)
In my country, a bricked mobo is just thrown away because nobody knows how to fix it. Thank you very much.
Same here, most shops even refuse doing bios updates because if they brick the motherboard they have no idea on what to do to fix it
u can make a business out of it buy them all up and resell
same
most people just use asus flashback, unless the have bricked both bios like this person did. No wonder Asus refused to RMA it...
@@QuarianPaladin wow they're pretty dumb for a shop, might as well call it geek squad
Good demonstration. Thanks for sharing.
BTW, i dont know if any1 ever told you or commented here but pin 1 is actually marked with that white trace next to the solder pad, also, most of the times u have a dot on the bord or a larget white trace on the side pad
The programmer has a red led indicating the is a read error apart from the app and if the led blinks green is reading ok in the status adapter ;)
I just unlocked my ransom firmware locked mac mini, this at first did not remedy the problem, it was no longer firmware locked but the ransom page was still showing after each boot - clearing the Reset NVRAM or PRAM solved that issue. Option, Command, P, and R. I used the ch341a isp/ICSP with the 3.3v fix and flashed it using flashrom. the device comes bare skin i would recommand conformal coating - i already shorted out one of them.
wow wow wow Admant what a wonerful video you are a great it i s very helpful thank you very much really appriciate !
The video port contains I²C bus for DDC. You can actually use the I²C bus for anything else I²C other than DDC. I have experimented about getting I²C from my laptop and be able to use raspberry pi/arduino I²C stuff directly with my laptop, like GPIO Extender and else.. maybe it explains why we can read/flash rom chip inside the monitor via the video cable?
If you run Linux and type "sudo ii2cdetect -L" it might shows your monitor's i2c address and bus
This video is so satisfying
Afternoon!
"i will have an ordinary download please" is that an IT Crowd reference when Moss is on the game show?
Not a specific reference, but was definitely channelling IT Crowd vibes ;)
Amazing, ive got one ordered with a bunch of adapters, hope I can unbrick my asrock ab350m pro4 :D
make sure u got a backlup of original! i can fix it if u need help in discord im LeadFarmer
No offence, but is it worth? I mean, those boards (used) are pretty much around the same price as the BIOS flasher itself.
My X79 Ranger VII did the old 00 Boot loop, I did everything, I wish I just ordered a new Bios Chip and reprogrammed it. bought a replacement mobo in the end jus to save the headache.
Thanks for the demo!
Thanks for the info. It helps alot.
There looks like a JTAG pin header above the chip, I have a programmer that has a JTAG interface so the chip can be programmed without soldering, but not sketchy like the clips. This is the method manufacturers use to program (and test) chips on the production line.
You have a link please?
@@mitsos1461 It's a TL866II Plus. Made by XGECU, (several companies re-badge it). The interface on this is an ICSP, (in-circuit-serial-programmer), The expensive Dataman programmer that I used at work had a JTAG interface, which can do boundary-scan testing, but I used it solely for in-circuit-programming. There was a chip that I had trouble programming, so the engineers at Dataman wrote an update to the algorithm for me, and this programmed the chip successfully. I can't justify the cost of a Dataman for myself, and the cheap one should cover most use cases. I hope you find this helpful, Google has a lot of hits for programmers, but it's best not to go too cheap.
you are so amazing man thank u
Good work getting the board to chooch again
This is very interesting, although I would not dare to solder on the motherboard, when accidentality a few chips fall off it is so definitive the end.
excellent vid, subscribed!
what are you using as to magnify the board? can you do a vid on what tool you use?
I had the exact problem and I have flashed the bios using a ch341a with 1.8v adapter but it still doesn't boot... Asus B350 itx mobo.
Still having the same problem. removed the chip and flashed it again placed it back. still powercycling if i read it and compare the data it is identical. might be hardbricked...
The contents of the chip is not encrypted :-) it´s a binary .I recommend to clean the pins with flux and soldering iron, to get the best contact in the spring socket. Btw i am going to test XGecu TL866II to read the TSOP48 NANDs
Got a cheap one and a clip on the way to see if it can erase a password protect - it must be in the BIOS flash as it survives CMOS clear
Great video!!
thanks for sharing
Kapton tape will help to make sure that nothing melts.
Very well done. Good job.
very handy vid mate. cheers
THE SAVIOUR 🙇
hi love all your work on UA-cam please keep it up , but can i be a nuisance ask where you downloaded the RT809F software to run it as i just get the run round
Perfect review!
Clip has worked for me . Shame these chips aren't socketed though
Sr i have this problem RT809H Write error, operation terminated. I NEED HELP
Very interesting stuff :D
@13:20 "Adopter" gave me a chuckle. Unless the image isn't clear enough for me and that's really Adapter. Retinopathy sucks
Thanks!
RT809F Programmer new speed
that was really good well explained
hi, i have fujitsu m740 all cooler start, no beeps, no post on gpu, after flash the bios ic (16pins) botloop, no post no beep !?!
Man, reading that the owner was refused RMA for this sucks, but I'm not surprised. I've had terrible experience with many of the PC hardware manufacturers I've bought from.
MSI: I've owned three MSI GPUs. A R9 380 4GB, Gaming X 5700XT, and now the RTX 3070 I chucked from a pre-built. The previous two failed just after hitting the one year mark (the 5700XT failing forced me to get a prebuilt and chuck its GPU due to supply issues worldwide). MSI refused RMA for the 380, and later told me it would be between 6 - 8 months before they could send me a replacement for the 5700XT. I use my gaming PC for work as I am a teacher, so I ended up having to spend a hell of a lot of money on the cheapest available pre-built I could find on Newegg (which are the only ones that can guarantee 2-day shipping).
Gigabyte: Got a B450 Ultra Gaming WiFi board for my best friend so he could build his first gaming PC. That board has always had issues. Even the one Newegg sent as a replacement. BIOS lockups, stops reading the NVME boot drive randomly, stops detecting one of the RAM slots....
ASUS: Bought a X570 ROG Strix-E. Came with the little BIOS flashback button broken off right out of the box. Contacted ASUS and they told me Newegg should handle it. Contacted Newegg and they told me ASUS should handle it. In the end ASUS told me it would cost me $90 in shipping to send the board in for RMA and that they would send me a refurbished one. For a little plastic button I ended up trying to forget about it. If I had to use that feature, I would just use a plastic spudger from my iFixit kit to push the little button inside.
Cooler Master: Their fans are horrible quality, even the expensive ones. Bought a ML240L AIO and both fans sounded like lawnmowers. They were kind enough to send replacements, but it didn't help at all that the replacements had the exact same issue. I got a Hyper 212 Black edition for my best friend (the one with the gigabyte board) and the fan died 5 months in. Ended up getting a Noctua for it. The heatsink itself is pretty good for the price.
Thermaltake: Do I even need to explain my issues with the brand infamously known as ThermalFake?
Only brands I've bought from that have caused 0 issues for me are Fractal with their amazing cases, Corsair (I've only ever bought RAM and fans), and Sapphire. I had a RX 590 from them (Sapphire) that I upgraded to from the MSI 380 and that baby worked like a charm all the time and stayed pretty damn cool while gaming. The 5700XT I got from MSI after that, well those of you who've had a 5700XT since launch know how much of a headache those wastes of silicon were. Now I have a crappy MSI Ventus 2X RTX 3070 that gets up to 75C just for my Zoom classes.
Thanks for sharing!
The asus x 299 XE gaming motherboard from looking at the PDF manual has a bios flashback to Reset the bios?
i just purchased the vivo book 17 the keys on the key board are impossible to see unless under direct light gray with thin black lettering ..the strain on the eyes is getting very hard to deal with. very disappointed by ASUS not fixing this problem before retailing this computer. is there a fix?
good info, good video, thank you
I have both RT809F & EZP2019
One question. Have you ever successfully read bios chip but not be able to write it? I wonder if the chip is faulty. Thanks.
I'm a technician for you. and I have a sony vaio which posts normally the voltages are ok 19v & 5v3.2v on the monitor connector (I tested the monitor on the same machine and it is ok) and the monitor does not turn on. any idea what could be wrong. also I have the same machine which opens win normally and stays on the desktop and does not listen to any device (usb mouse, keyboard, network, etc.) could it be the bios? Thank you in advance for the nice videos
That BIOS connector is a standard IDC 10 way 2 row header 2.54 pitch
It's smaller than that, I think it's 2.0 pitch, which makes it a lot more annoying to find cables for.
yeah, but what is the interface type? SPI? I2C? JTAG? At what voltage, speed, protocol? There's a lot more to it, than just the physical connector type. You need to know the voltage, the type of interface, and the pinout of that interface, and then the software to talk to that interface.
At least by pulling the chip, he could just grab the datasheet to get the required information. If you could get us the pinout of that 10-way connector, I think a lot of us would be interested. :-) I mean, the connector isn't even referenced in the manual.
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@@lesleymunro4964 Standard 3V or 1.8V SPI, the pinout depends on the manufacturer, but you can find pinouts for them. For example MSI uses the JSPI1 pinout.
@@lesleymunro4964 You don't need to know any of that if you are connecting the header to the programmer pin by pin
Hello again. If you come across an LGA 1150 with 4 way SLI. Please keep it. I am willing to pay a reasonable amount. Thank you for your time.
can you add the original purchase link please...im not sure which is original or fake on of the RF809F
I really like to know where you find the RT809G for only $110 USD
If anyone knows please do tell.
Thanks
Hi Adamant, I have an old bios chip (Dip8, PDIP - 300mil - MX 25L8005PC-15G) from a 2008 asus motherboard, can I insert it directly on the programmer (without an additional adapter) ?
I've got a Gigabyte Aorus Z390 motherboard and Gigabyte is now recommending that if the board has no issues then do not update the BIOS.
Yea I mean, that's my general rule of thumb anyway with BIOSes. Don't update unless there's a stability update that affects you, or a specific feature you want/need.
It's fine if you have the means to recover a board, but if you're at home on a desk with little or no spare parts, a bricked BIOS can be a real bad day.
Same happened to my friends laptop , do you guys think its also BIOS issue ?? Its one of those rtx 3080 mobile laptop , powers on , display doesnt show , no signal on external monitor fans spins for a few seconds then stops and the laptop is basically a light show 😂
hellow sir. My pc is not booting into bios. It’s an x99 motherboard. I tried everything from cleaning the the cpu, ram, connecting the 8 pin cpu power plug and 24 pin but it kept on recycling power. A few days ago if managed to turn it on with only 1 ram stick. Motherboards qcode led is not showing any lights on, monitor turns on with a single bar on the top left side and dbug shows 00 code just like before. After watching my UA-cam videos, i am thinking It's a bios problem. But i'm an average home pc person. I have 2 bios chip on my motherboard and yes i did tried both of them and it didn’t work. Fortunately those bios chips are socketed like that fatality motherboard you fixed. Pls tell me what to do. Thanks
Awesome video fair play :)
Cool info, thanks :)
I just took a HUGE Chipdump!