@@Audiolympian Bower & Wilkins is the only company who I think gets even remotely close to the quality of the best JL Audio stuff. JL all day, but B&W is pretty damn good as well. I'm happy neither brand is as trendy as they used to be. Apple (a company who I loathe more than anyone) used to pair some of their products in some sort of partnership, and that's when I stopped buying B&W for the better half of a decade. And people used to hate on JL Audio up until very recently due to their high price and how ubiquitous they were during the Fast & Furious era when they had the reputation of being the best when so many people had "systems" in their vehicles (people love to hate the best, you know). These days, aftermarket vehicle sound systems are rare. This is sad because it means manufacturers like JL will have less incentive to continue R&D for ever-better speaker quality, lowering the demand for high-end replacement speakers, and consequently moving their focus to development of mass-produced speaker designs for OEM car companies. One main reason is the complex network of integrated vehicle electronics, where traditional "head units" are now obsolete and are integrated into vehicles' dashboard displays that integrate everything from climate controls to suspension settings. With all these battery powered cars, they now often add fake engine noise through the speakers, and external amplifiers are commonly used and mounted in locations difficult to access, and cars often will have from 10 to over 20 different speakers, often including a subwoofer. These stereo systems sound much much better than 20 years ago, but it makes for a TON of labor time and a whole bunch of custom, specialized bypass and integration electronics that you need to purchase and install. And then you have 10-20 speaker locations that you need to buy a new speaker for or no longer use the speaker location, and those speaker locations are usually non-standard sizes and often require adapters because the stock speakers are usually too tiny that normal-sized speakers won't fit. And now with the mandate for electric vehicles, you won't even be able to run these super premium custom systems since there's no alternator to upgrade and you would probably get only 100 miles on a full 12-hr charge of your Duracell car. It is cool because it makes it more special if you do have a traditional car with a premium aftermarket system these days, considering it is so impractical to upgrade any newer vehicle, especially luxury vehicles; but it sucks that these companies are gradually going to stop R&D'ing these super premium stand-alone speakers - and the people who can best afford these exotic speaker/amp upgrades are driving new cars and they won't want to be tearing out the entire electronics system in their cars to upgrade 15 speakers and add new amplifiers, especially when the option is to either not use some stock speaker locations or to upgrade every speaker location at $300-$1000 per speaker and add several amps to power the new speakers. Point is, the demand is rapidly fading out, to everyone's disappointment, and once the fully electric cars take over, these speakers and subwoofers won't even be possible because there will be no practical way to power them. Imagine shorting out primary electronics in your electric car by trying to power a 3000w sound system, or powering a subwoofer that rattles everything and cracks the solder on sensitive electronics. Trying to listen to finely reproduced music in your car could end up as a $40k mistake, lol. But you would be saving the planet, so it is all worth it. 😂 Anyway, my rant is over, and the tie-in is that the JL W7 subwoofers are what are used in the Phantom/Gotham home audio boxes; however, the Phantom/Gotham versions include a few upgrades to the W7's, including tighter tolerances (since they don't need to operate in extreme environments like trunks of cars in 110° summers and -10° winters). Not many people know this, but the Phantom/Gotham products represent the only upgrades/refinements that have ever been made to the original W7 woofer design. They're the same speakers, just with a few minor upgrades. Essentially, they made the best subwoofer even better. Except this is also represented in the price, whereas the W7 can be purchased for $1300, and the home audio versions are over $10,000. Nearly the same speaker though. Fun fact.
@@skankytrick W7 is not used in the Gotham. I thought so too until I took the woofers out so I could transfer it from home. It was too heavy with the woofers on. To my surprise I realized the motor structure is a lot bigger than my fathom f113.
@@Laissez_Faire I'm aware it is not an actual W7 woofer. JL said they started with a W7 and beefed it up for the indoor enclosure, whereas the W7 was made with reliability high on the list to be able to perform in vehicles throughout hot summers and cold winters. Without needing to perform in harsh environments, JL stepped up the speaker design for the Gotham application. However. it has been a while, but I thought the Gotham and Fathom use the same speakers? In any event, they are based on the W7, but I have not compared the back of one of those speakers to the back of a W7, so I don't know how similar or perhaps different they are. Are you saying they appear much different to the eye? That's pretty cool if the upgrades are that significant. After all, the W7 has beeen the same for the last 25 years (and it remains my favorite car audio woofer by far).
@@Laissez_FaireThe Fathom and Gotham drivers are indeed based on the W7. They are essentially “beefier” versions of the W7, with larger motor structures.
Good question. Two separate subs always smooths out the bass in the room but the JLAudio’s are kind of a class of their own. But I’d probably go with two pb16’s
not even in the same category. Do yourself a favor and stay away from svs and try B&W, Paradigm or fathoms. Obviously I got the gotham but I also have a B&W DB1 (sweet sub) and two Paradigm Sub 1 (insane subs for the size). But a single Gotham well calibrated disappears in my room.
I know how much xmax JL has. You're barely even moving those drivers. If you're gonna post a video about excursion, full send next time. Amateur hour is over.
Trust me if it was my demo and I had full control over them I would have brought down the building and had better music. I was just recording a quick activity vid not a full demo
I didn’t test it at that level. I wish I could have, I don’t own it, I was at a dealer store. But I did take a quick little measurement at about 45hz and it was rocking. So I’m quite sure it’s still has good rumble at 20hz. Some subs hit that low but don’t have the impact just low sound. Thanks for watching
I feel like they're a nightmare to repair, cost, size and weight-wise; sooner or later they'll need at least one repair on the foam surround or/and amps. Maybe two F113's are a smarter move. Or two Velodynes Digital Drives.
You might be right. I will say the surround material on the subs are state of the art. Dense, strong but very flexible. Smooth to the touch almost like a leather feel.
It was very smooth. I would say the price is only justifiable because you would never need another subwoofer for the rest of your life. But I think a used version 1 would be just as good for much less.
@@Audiolympian A genuinely less used would be a great option I believe, because you never know how previous owner has used them. Even the pre-owned ones are nowhere near being cheap lol I own a devialet phantom gold and is just amazing, everything else is just sounds crap now 😂 Will soon buy a JL sub too, JL audio has always facinated me since I was a teenager (Even Kicker) My elder cousin got JL twin subs installed in his ford endeavor One of the cleanest bass I've ever heard in a car Costly as hell but definitely worth it if you love quality music and controlled bass and not just random vibrations The cheapest 8 inch one costs around an average motorcycle in india 🇮🇳 Haha😄
@@abhishek07007 haha. I too loved Jl as a teenager. A friend of mine has a bass competition car and has all Jl audio and he had many trophies. I did always notice his bass was more defined than other guys cars that had more speakers.
@@Audiolympian Feelings jealous of your friend lol 😅 Yes, the definitely sound cleaner and surprisingly loud without distorting Thanks alot for you lovely reply brother subscribed 😊
@@johnlira3316 they are rare subs to find. But I’d say if you’re talking about the 112 anything under $2k would be good. And anything under $1500 would be a steal
$25k Way too rich for my blood.
@@ii1825 haha. Same here.
Best sub on the planet.
After listening to it.. I have to agree. Super clean, tight and musical for such a powerhouse. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian Bower & Wilkins is the only company who I think gets even remotely close to the quality of the best JL Audio stuff. JL all day, but B&W is pretty damn good as well. I'm happy neither brand is as trendy as they used to be. Apple (a company who I loathe more than anyone) used to pair some of their products in some sort of partnership, and that's when I stopped buying B&W for the better half of a decade. And people used to hate on JL Audio up until very recently due to their high price and how ubiquitous they were during the Fast & Furious era when they had the reputation of being the best when so many people had "systems" in their vehicles (people love to hate the best, you know). These days, aftermarket vehicle sound systems are rare. This is sad because it means manufacturers like JL will have less incentive to continue R&D for ever-better speaker quality, lowering the demand for high-end replacement speakers, and consequently moving their focus to development of mass-produced speaker designs for OEM car companies. One main reason is the complex network of integrated vehicle electronics, where traditional "head units" are now obsolete and are integrated into vehicles' dashboard displays that integrate everything from climate controls to suspension settings. With all these battery powered cars, they now often add fake engine noise through the speakers, and external amplifiers are commonly used and mounted in locations difficult to access, and cars often will have from 10 to over 20 different speakers, often including a subwoofer. These stereo systems sound much much better than 20 years ago, but it makes for a TON of labor time and a whole bunch of custom, specialized bypass and integration electronics that you need to purchase and install. And then you have 10-20 speaker locations that you need to buy a new speaker for or no longer use the speaker location, and those speaker locations are usually non-standard sizes and often require adapters because the stock speakers are usually too tiny that normal-sized speakers won't fit. And now with the mandate for electric vehicles, you won't even be able to run these super premium custom systems since there's no alternator to upgrade and you would probably get only 100 miles on a full 12-hr charge of your Duracell car. It is cool because it makes it more special if you do have a traditional car with a premium aftermarket system these days, considering it is so impractical to upgrade any newer vehicle, especially luxury vehicles; but it sucks that these companies are gradually going to stop R&D'ing these super premium stand-alone speakers - and the people who can best afford these exotic speaker/amp upgrades are driving new cars and they won't want to be tearing out the entire electronics system in their cars to upgrade 15 speakers and add new amplifiers, especially when the option is to either not use some stock speaker locations or to upgrade every speaker location at $300-$1000 per speaker and add several amps to power the new speakers. Point is, the demand is rapidly fading out, to everyone's disappointment, and once the fully electric cars take over, these speakers and subwoofers won't even be possible because there will be no practical way to power them. Imagine shorting out primary electronics in your electric car by trying to power a 3000w sound system, or powering a subwoofer that rattles everything and cracks the solder on sensitive electronics. Trying to listen to finely reproduced music in your car could end up as a $40k mistake, lol. But you would be saving the planet, so it is all worth it. 😂
Anyway, my rant is over, and the tie-in is that the JL W7 subwoofers are what are used in the Phantom/Gotham home audio boxes; however, the Phantom/Gotham versions include a few upgrades to the W7's, including tighter tolerances (since they don't need to operate in extreme environments like trunks of cars in 110° summers and -10° winters). Not many people know this, but the Phantom/Gotham products represent the only upgrades/refinements that have ever been made to the original W7 woofer design. They're the same speakers, just with a few minor upgrades. Essentially, they made the best subwoofer even better. Except this is also represented in the price, whereas the W7 can be purchased for $1300, and the home audio versions are over $10,000. Nearly the same speaker though. Fun fact.
@@skankytrick W7 is not used in the Gotham. I thought so too until I took the woofers out so I could transfer it from home. It was too heavy with the woofers on. To my surprise I realized the motor structure is a lot bigger than my fathom f113.
@@Laissez_Faire I'm aware it is not an actual W7 woofer. JL said they started with a W7 and beefed it up for the indoor enclosure, whereas the W7 was made with reliability high on the list to be able to perform in vehicles throughout hot summers and cold winters. Without needing to perform in harsh environments, JL stepped up the speaker design for the Gotham application. However. it has been a while, but I thought the Gotham and Fathom use the same speakers? In any event, they are based on the W7, but I have not compared the back of one of those speakers to the back of a W7, so I don't know how similar or perhaps different they are. Are you saying they appear much different to the eye? That's pretty cool if the upgrades are that significant. After all, the W7 has beeen the same for the last 25 years (and it remains my favorite car audio woofer by far).
@@Laissez_FaireThe Fathom and Gotham drivers are indeed based on the W7. They are essentially “beefier” versions of the W7, with larger motor structures.
One JL g213v2 or two SVS PB16 ultra ?
Good question. Two separate subs always smooths out the bass in the room but the JLAudio’s are kind of a class of their own. But I’d probably go with two pb16’s
The real answer is 2 JL E112's over any SVS any day of the week.
The price difference between those two is too much. I would pick two Bowers DB4S (4k$ the pair)
@juanbaclavab agrees
not even in the same category. Do yourself a favor and stay away from svs and try B&W, Paradigm or fathoms. Obviously I got the gotham but I also have a B&W DB1 (sweet sub) and two Paradigm Sub 1 (insane subs for the size). But a single Gotham well calibrated disappears in my room.
Cost bro
Crazy cost. $20k for one
@@Audiolympian ind cost
I know how much xmax JL has. You're barely even moving those drivers. If you're gonna post a video about excursion, full send next time. Amateur hour is over.
Trust me if it was my demo and I had full control over them I would have brought down the building and had better music. I was just recording a quick activity vid not a full demo
Hi buddy, how powerful is it at 20hz and 30hz? Thanks. Gorgeous sub.
I didn’t test it at that level. I wish I could have, I don’t own it, I was at a dealer store. But I did take a quick little measurement at about 45hz and it was rocking. So I’m quite sure it’s still has good rumble at 20hz. Some subs hit that low but don’t have the impact just low sound. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian Thanks for the reply bro. I understand that perfectly. That means gotham hits hard, is it like that concert bass that hits your chest?
@@zencoatlrios1357 yes I have 6 subs in my theater room one of them being the svs pb16 and I think it was hitting harder than my set up.
@@Audiolympian Damn! Haha, thanks friend! Now I want a Gotham.
@@zencoatlrios1357 me too!!
Gotta put those in a car. I have a single 10" and I don't think I could ever go back.
Those are the best car subs.
$20,000 😮
I know.
I feel like they're a nightmare to repair, cost, size and weight-wise; sooner or later they'll need at least one repair on the foam surround or/and amps. Maybe two F113's are a smarter move. Or two Velodynes Digital Drives.
You might be right. I will say the surround material on the subs are state of the art. Dense, strong but very flexible. Smooth to the touch almost like a leather feel.
Ojalá y pasaras el video x la parte de las conexiones ❤gracias saludos
Gracias 🙏
Bro, I know it must sound magical for sure ✨️ 😍
But does it justify the price point?
It was very smooth. I would say the price is only justifiable because you would never need another subwoofer for the rest of your life. But I think a used version 1 would be just as good for much less.
@@Audiolympian A genuinely less used would be a great option I believe, because you never know how previous owner has used them.
Even the pre-owned ones are nowhere near being cheap lol
I own a devialet phantom gold and is just amazing, everything else is just sounds crap now 😂
Will soon buy a JL sub too, JL audio has always facinated me since I was a teenager (Even Kicker)
My elder cousin got JL twin subs installed in his ford endeavor
One of the cleanest bass I've ever heard in a car
Costly as hell but definitely worth it if you love quality music and controlled bass and not just random vibrations
The cheapest 8 inch one costs around an average motorcycle in india 🇮🇳
Haha😄
@@abhishek07007 haha. I too loved Jl as a teenager. A friend of mine has a bass competition car and has all Jl audio and he had many trophies. I did always notice his bass was more defined than other guys cars that had more speakers.
@@Audiolympian Feelings jealous of your friend lol 😅 Yes, the definitely sound cleaner and surprisingly loud without distorting
Thanks alot for you lovely reply brother
subscribed 😊
@@abhishek07007 appreciate the support
Ill stick with SVS, thanks. I cant even hear bass from these.
Haha. I know what you mean
JL should make C7 based bookshelf speakers.
That would be a good idea 👍
Hello, do you set the subwoofer to reference or variable??
Depends on what playing movies or music. I like reference for movies and variable for music
@@Audiolympian variable in film it works very well too
@Mck559 I’ll have to try it. Thanks
20k smfh
Haha ikr. The price of a car
are these the same drivers used on the fanthom 113s?
Yes I think so. Only because I have read before that the voice coil in the Gotham are bigger or thicker. Other than that pretty much the same.
@@Audiolympian whats a good dollar price for a fathom v1 nowadays. And i know its a couple years old by now but is it a good buy.
@@johnlira3316 they are rare subs to find. But I’d say if you’re talking about the 112 anything under $2k would be good. And anything under $1500 would be a steal
@@johnlira3316 if you’re talking about the 113 maybe $2500 and under. The 212 $3k and under.
@@Audiolympian u have messenger would like to ask u a ?