Wish there was a much easier to set materials up with this machines? How you expect to make money if you spend 5-10 minute set up each different material and if you are in retail and customization business while you have line of customers waiting impatiently? This is a serious question not joking, anyone? Love the machine but set up seems pain in the butt?
One of the biggest usability / workflow issues, for me, is the "el cheapo" two-line lcd screen, which makes navigation, and setup, much-much harder than it needs to be. Many options are in fact not obvious in the menu, like: pressing the right-arrow during setup to choose the 'automatic' option, or any arrow to bring out the laser for registration ( which needs to be done twice ), or pressing the table-up button after pressing the Setup button to go back to the last table height used like they say in this video, etc. ...Ridiculous, considering the price of the printer. One gets the sense that this process was designed _by_ engineers, _for_ technicians - both of which typically _love_ complicated things, with lots of secret workflow passages, gotchas, etc. [ That's how one increases one's job security as an engineer / technician: keep it needlessly difficult for the average person, not in the know ( I worked in the software industry; I know! ☺) ].
@@namolokaman2393 hey thanks for your reply. Did you notice I asked this question 2 years ago and not even one decent human being from Roland reached me or bothered to answer my questions because they know they sell overpriced items with crappy set up procedures and the most horrible cheapo crappy lcd set up screen, they have nothing to say positive but they don’t want customers to know all those negative things. When I decide to purchase something I first do background check, supply and suppliers check to see if I can make profit, if I am going to be able to find supplies, materials etc. when I asked those questions to Roland rep, they insulted my intelligence saying oh this machine prints on anything you don’t need supplies...how dumb and stupid thing is that to say this to a potential customer? So they don’t even provide/sell blanks for customers who would like to sell their designs to potential end users/customers. So when I asked all those questions I got ignored. They don’t want potential customers like me asking all type of questions before the purchase to prevent future potential problems, they want clueless customers buy their crappy designed overpriced machines with crappy set up procedures, worse yet when so many other machines moving to new generation systems eliminating to shake inks everyday they still have the same old crappy system where if you don’t shake inks everyday print heads dry out and you end up having a big useless box, because changing print head costs 3 to 6 thousand dollars plus their techs charge all kind of extras. And they have the nerve to sell this bs systems still way overpriced with no discounts nothing. A big fuck you to all potential customers like me. So when I wanted to purchase this LEF machine years ago I found out that there are no vendors in USA selling blanks so we can go ahead and sell those to customers. They charge ridiculous prices for templates or whatever you call rotary attachments etc so you can try to print on yeti cups etc. they sell those rotary attachments like 3-5k dollars so if you buy machine and want to print on a yeti cup, you are shit out of luck, you cannot because you don’t have rotary attachment, you have to buy their overpriced crappy LEF machines and they got nerve to charge extra couple thousand dollars for those so you can print. Which it should come with the machine. How ridiculous is this? And their set up takes forever, no customer had time for this if you are in a business say a fast paced environment like a print shop or a mall kiosk takes forever to set up for each different item to print items. They have again nerve to say oh its easy it just takes time to learn. Hello? We sent spaceship to Mars, you make billions of dollars, use some of that money to make it so that your crappy set up is not that complicated, make it all automatic. Make your screen more understandable and clear. 200 dollars air fryer has better menu and set up then your overpriced printers. Of course they will again ignore my rant or worse they will reply with their copy/paste predicted answer saying how sorry they are etc. Come on Roland, you should be better than this...
@@bozkurtbozok4597 _". . . they still have the same old crappy system where if you don’t shake inks everyday print heads dry out and you end up having a big useless box, because changing print head costs 3 to 6 thousand dollars plus their techs charge all kind of extras."_ ...Hahaha. That's exactly right. An artist friend of mine, who just left on a 3-months trip, asked me to babysit her LEF printer while she was gone, and was thrilled when I asked her if I could use it to do projects in her absence; in part, because the last time she left on such an extended trip, the inks all dried-out and the printheads had to be replaced ( by the certified Roland technician, who had to be flown in, just like you said )! I am currently in the process of learning how to use the LEF, and am flabbergasted at how cumbersome [ archaic! ] and unintuitive the hardware interface and setup procedures are, for such an expensive machine. Fortunately, I am a techie, and am pretty good at reading manuals, thinking like an engineer, etc., but I can see how frustrating such a finicky - and sloooow - machine would be for a layman. One feature I wish they had figured out a long time ago, is the media height thing. I was shocked to discover that users must manually make allowances for the thickness of the inks they plan on using, when using multiple layers. For example: _"Okay, I want to do W + CMYK + Gloss embossing with 10 overprints, so I should subtract - let me look at that darn line graph again; which booklet did I see it in? - ah yes, 0.4mm from the optimum head height ( otherwise, the printhead is liable to crash into its own work )!"_ ...Hello?!! Why can't the printer adjust the media height automatically between overprint passes, to take into account the thickness of the inks it just layered? ...It _should_ know! Failing that, a counter keeping track of the approximate total ink thickness for a particular queue, so far, in Versaworks, would have been helpful, and taken some of the brinkmanship guesswork out ( because printheads, it turns out, need to be close, like 1mm, to the media, otherwise, we loose detail; in other words: 'as optimally close as possible' - _but without crashing!!!_ ...Which is asking for trouble, if the media is expected to thicken during printing. Hahahaha. Note: to its credit, it looks like the printer is automatically checking that the media still clears the media-gap sensor every so often - though a lot can happen in between each automatic height check ). If it had been my purse, I would have gone with a 3 to $4,000 UV LED printer from Aliexpress [ that's _with_ shipping, and with a wider print bed to boot ]. A Chinese brand can't possibly be worse, can it??? ☺ ...Even flying one of their technicians, once or twice, if it came to that, would still be _way_ cheaper in the end.
@@namolokaman2393 it is disgusting to find out media height thing, my disappointment got just bigger with Roland. About Chinese machines, I am a bit too hesitant to pay 4-5k and then end up its not working and having trouble finding out how to fix...but at the same it is 4 times cheapet than what is claimed to be best uv printer, Roland, which the more you search the more I dislike their uv printers. Of course you and I are the most hated guys on the market for Roland, asking too many correct questions, finding out their “magical” machine’s flaws and criticizing their caveman old systems. They don’t want guys like us. They want fools, buy their machines, and machines break, send their techs sell every piece of useless parts so they can make as much as money possible, and get the milk out of dead cow. They cannot answer us here because they have nothing better to say, they know we are right, they won’t ever admit their faulty old systems. They got nothing better to say other than their copy/ paste boiler plate answers.They will just hide in a corner and hope this post disappears one day. We are the unwanted guys, public enemy. Roland, we are here till you get your systems up working to current and ahead of technological standards we gonna be on your asses. Fyi In case you(Roland) fail to understand: 1) fix your obnoxious set up process including automatic height adjustment to automatic auto detection of different substrates and fix your 1000 years old lcd set up screeb 2) eliminate ink shaking bullcrap, get some insight from new epson dtg printers and see how they are slowly eliminating ink shaking and settling bullcrap. 3) sell all and different type of blanks 4) adjust your ridiculous prices in your uv printers and include rotary and other items in your printer price 5)stop acting like industry leaders, if you brag too much and insist on not fixing problems, history repeats itself and one brand appears out of nowhere one day and destroys your existence. I like Roland, just don’t like them insulting our intelligence.
Wish there was a much easier to set materials up with this machines? How you expect to make money if you spend 5-10 minute set up each different material and if you are in retail and customization business while you have line of customers waiting impatiently? This is a serious question not joking, anyone? Love the machine but set up seems pain in the butt?
One of the biggest usability / workflow issues, for me, is the "el cheapo" two-line lcd screen, which makes navigation, and setup, much-much harder than it needs to be. Many options are in fact not obvious in the menu, like: pressing the right-arrow during setup to choose the 'automatic' option, or any arrow to bring out the laser for registration ( which needs to be done twice ), or pressing the table-up button after pressing the Setup button to go back to the last table height used like they say in this video, etc. ...Ridiculous, considering the price of the printer. One gets the sense that this process was designed _by_ engineers, _for_ technicians - both of which typically _love_ complicated things, with lots of secret workflow passages, gotchas, etc. [ That's how one increases one's job security as an engineer / technician: keep it needlessly difficult for the average person, not in the know ( I worked in the software industry; I know! ☺) ].
@@namolokaman2393 hey thanks for your reply. Did you notice I asked this question 2 years ago and not even one decent human being from Roland reached me or bothered to answer my questions because they know they sell overpriced items with crappy set up procedures and the most horrible cheapo crappy lcd set up screen, they have nothing to say positive but they don’t want customers to know all those negative things. When I decide to purchase something I first do background check, supply and suppliers check to see if I can make profit, if I am going to be able to find supplies, materials etc. when I asked those questions to Roland rep, they insulted my intelligence saying oh this machine prints on anything you don’t need supplies...how dumb and stupid thing is that to say this to a potential customer? So they don’t even provide/sell blanks for customers who would like to sell their designs to potential end users/customers. So when I asked all those questions I got ignored. They don’t want potential customers like me asking all type of questions before the purchase to prevent future potential problems, they want clueless customers buy their crappy designed overpriced machines with crappy set up procedures, worse yet when so many other machines moving to new generation systems eliminating to shake inks everyday they still have the same old crappy system where if you don’t shake inks everyday print heads dry out and you end up having a big useless box, because changing print head costs 3 to 6 thousand dollars plus their techs charge all kind of extras. And they have the nerve to sell this bs systems still way overpriced with no discounts nothing. A big fuck you to all potential customers like me.
So when I wanted to purchase this LEF machine years ago I found out that there are no vendors in USA selling blanks so we can go ahead and sell those to customers.
They charge ridiculous prices for templates or whatever you call rotary attachments etc so you can try to print on yeti cups etc. they sell those rotary attachments like 3-5k dollars so if you buy machine and want to print on a yeti cup, you are shit out of luck, you cannot because you don’t have rotary attachment, you have to buy their overpriced crappy LEF machines and they got nerve to charge extra couple thousand dollars for those so you can print. Which it should come with the machine. How ridiculous is this?
And their set up takes forever, no customer had time for this if you are in a business say a fast paced environment like a print shop or a mall kiosk takes forever to set up for each different item to print items. They have again nerve to say oh its easy it just takes time to learn. Hello? We sent spaceship to Mars, you make billions of dollars, use some of that money to make it so that your crappy set up is not that complicated, make it all automatic. Make your screen more understandable and clear. 200 dollars air fryer has better menu and set up then your overpriced printers.
Of course they will again ignore my rant or worse they will reply with their copy/paste predicted answer saying how sorry they are etc.
Come on Roland, you should be better than this...
@@bozkurtbozok4597 _". . . they still have the same old crappy system where if you don’t shake inks everyday print heads dry out and you end up having a big useless box, because changing print head costs 3 to 6 thousand dollars plus their techs charge all kind of extras."_
...Hahaha. That's exactly right. An artist friend of mine, who just left on a 3-months trip, asked me to babysit her LEF printer while she was gone, and was thrilled when I asked her if I could use it to do projects in her absence; in part, because the last time she left on such an extended trip, the inks all dried-out and the printheads had to be replaced ( by the certified Roland technician, who had to be flown in, just like you said )! I am currently in the process of learning how to use the LEF, and am flabbergasted at how cumbersome [ archaic! ] and unintuitive the hardware interface and setup procedures are, for such an expensive machine. Fortunately, I am a techie, and am pretty good at reading manuals, thinking like an engineer, etc., but I can see how frustrating such a finicky - and sloooow - machine would be for a layman.
One feature I wish they had figured out a long time ago, is the media height thing. I was shocked to discover that users must manually make allowances for the thickness of the inks they plan on using, when using multiple layers. For example: _"Okay, I want to do W + CMYK + Gloss embossing with 10 overprints, so I should subtract - let me look at that darn line graph again; which booklet did I see it in? - ah yes, 0.4mm from the optimum head height ( otherwise, the printhead is liable to crash into its own work )!"_ ...Hello?!! Why can't the printer adjust the media height automatically between overprint passes, to take into account the thickness of the inks it just layered? ...It _should_ know! Failing that, a counter keeping track of the approximate total ink thickness for a particular queue, so far, in Versaworks, would have been helpful, and taken some of the brinkmanship guesswork out ( because printheads, it turns out, need to be close, like 1mm, to the media, otherwise, we loose detail; in other words: 'as optimally close as possible' - _but without crashing!!!_ ...Which is asking for trouble, if the media is expected to thicken during printing. Hahahaha. Note: to its credit, it looks like the printer is automatically checking that the media still clears the media-gap sensor every so often - though a lot can happen in between each automatic height check ).
If it had been my purse, I would have gone with a 3 to $4,000 UV LED printer from Aliexpress [ that's _with_ shipping, and with a wider print bed to boot ]. A Chinese brand can't possibly be worse, can it??? ☺ ...Even flying one of their technicians, once or twice, if it came to that, would still be _way_ cheaper in the end.
@@namolokaman2393 it is disgusting to find out media height thing, my disappointment got just bigger with Roland.
About Chinese machines, I am a bit too hesitant to pay 4-5k and then end up its not working and having trouble finding out how to fix...but at the same it is 4 times cheapet than what is claimed to be best uv printer, Roland, which the more you search the more I dislike their uv printers.
Of course you and I are the most hated guys on the market for Roland, asking too many correct questions, finding out their “magical” machine’s flaws and criticizing their caveman old systems. They don’t want guys like us. They want fools, buy their machines, and machines break, send their techs sell every piece of useless parts so they can make as much as money possible, and get the milk out of dead cow. They cannot answer us here because they have nothing better to say, they know we are right, they won’t ever admit their faulty old systems. They got nothing better to say other than their copy/ paste boiler plate answers.They will just hide in a corner and hope this post disappears one day. We are the unwanted guys, public enemy.
Roland, we are here till you get your systems up working to current and ahead of technological standards we gonna be on your asses. Fyi
In case you(Roland) fail to understand:
1) fix your obnoxious set up process including automatic height adjustment to automatic auto detection of different substrates and fix your 1000 years old lcd set up screeb
2) eliminate ink shaking bullcrap, get some insight from new epson dtg printers and see how they are slowly eliminating ink shaking and settling bullcrap.
3) sell all and different type of blanks
4) adjust your ridiculous prices in your uv printers and include rotary and other items in your printer price
5)stop acting like industry leaders, if you brag too much and insist on not fixing problems, history repeats itself and one brand appears out of nowhere one day and destroys your existence.
I like Roland, just don’t like them insulting our intelligence.