Differential Forms | What is a 1-form?

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  • @stevensneedberg4879
    @stevensneedberg4879 14 днів тому +2

    Oh man, really thankful this series exists. I literally cannot understand Rudin's multivariable analysis chapters.

  • @johnreid4830
    @johnreid4830 10 місяців тому +8

    Probably telling you what you already know, but you’re a very good teacher Michael. You manage condense a lot of teaching into a relatively brief yet densely packed video series on some of the most abstract topics.
    You also communicate great enthusiasm and understanding of you subject, which is inspiring. Please keep doing this.

  • @jesusjaviervidalesperez6469
    @jesusjaviervidalesperez6469 2 місяці тому +2

    Es increíble la manera en que puedes comunicar intuiciones profundas de las matemáticas. Enhorabuena!

  • @Kishibe84
    @Kishibe84 4 роки тому +55

    Do you plan to extend this series also to cover the basis of differential geometry, like differentiable manifolds, or is it too advanced level stuff?

  • @00tact
    @00tact 4 роки тому +15

    In the first example it should be 3 dx + 2 *dy*

  • @kentiy1
    @kentiy1 2 роки тому +2

    The very best videos on this topic in the internet. Clear, logical, with good examples. Thank you!

  • @andyl.5998
    @andyl.5998 4 роки тому +16

    2:14 For the dual space, see Chris's "Differential Forms are Covectors" for intuitions. ua-cam.com/video/XGL-vpk-8dU/v-deo.html

  • @Jon.B.geez.
    @Jon.B.geez. 6 місяців тому +1

    Very great material, thank you Michael Penn

  • @skipii1234
    @skipii1234 4 роки тому +20

    Fun fact:
    If vectors can be represented as a column of numbers, 1-forms can be represented as a row of numbers.
    Why? Because if you take 1-form of a vector, it outputs a number. Just like a scalar multiplication of a vector with a fixed vector. Just think of it as matrix multiplication ;)

    • @nahblue
      @nahblue Рік тому +2

      And when vectors are columns, the dual space with 1-forms is rows. :)

    • @skipii1234
      @skipii1234 Рік тому +4

      @@nahblue Ah, yes, here we are getting to the dual spaces. Suppose we have a vector space V that contains the typical column vectors we usualy work with. Let V* be the dual vector space of V. Elements of V* are actually the 1-forms (or generaly n-forms, just as big as the former vectors were). But since 1-forms are elements of some vector space (although it is a dual vector space), we can consider them vectors! Then we can make another dual space. Let V** be the dual vector space of V*. Can we make some 1-forms on 1-forms? Yes, we can! It turns out that V** is isomorphic to V, thus we can represent them (1-forms on 1-forms) as our former clasical vectors! That means we can work only with vectors and 1-forms, which I find quite interesting.

  • @add-mt5xc
    @add-mt5xc 3 роки тому

    I like the video but it could have been nice to stick with the definition where was a function : TpR^n -> R^n from the first video. Now itself is the vector in TpR^n and goes as an argument to 1-form w even though dx and dy are themselves 1-form with the definition :TpR^n -> R^n

  • @juauke
    @juauke 4 роки тому +19

    Great video, really instructive! Thanks!
    In the end, why is not the negative branch mentionned for a? (because it gives another solution for ω)
    N.B. : at 6:21 (and after), there's a small typo : you wrote "2y" where it should be "2dy" ( which gives : ω() = 3dx + 2dy )

  • @sirlight-ljij
    @sirlight-ljij 4 роки тому +4

    When I was studying differential forms at a university, I got a textbook where coordinates had upper indices, not lower. And I got really confused on that when there started appearing symbols like dx^1, dx^2, ..., dx^n; as I totally could not understand why dx^m ∧ dx^n was not equal mnx^(m+n-2)dx∧dx = 0, and thus was confused with the whole topic. Much appreciated your videos, many thanks for the work you are putting into this.

  • @soccergalsara
    @soccergalsara Рік тому

    At 1:05 you mention choosing any orthogonal coordinate system at P, which has been drawn the same as x and y, that was chosen on the initial plane, but this could be any axes not parallel to x-y?

  • @SayHelllllo
    @SayHelllllo 4 роки тому +6

    Is there a video about Lie Groups and Algebras on this beautiful channel?

  • @MonsieurDauphin
    @MonsieurDauphin 4 роки тому +43

    How did you know I was just confused about this exact topic? ;)

    • @crehenge2386
      @crehenge2386 3 роки тому +6

      Everyone is because most books are crap

    • @manuel3494
      @manuel3494 3 роки тому

      @DnB and Psy Production agreed

  • @michalbotor
    @michalbotor 3 роки тому +1

    professor penn, i have a question regarding the example that you give at 6:18.
    you explain that the 1-form ω[dx, dy] = 3dx + 2dy, with direction vector [3, 2] that is parallel to direction vector [1, 2/3], is geometrically projecting vectors [dx, dy] onto line dy = (2/3)dx, which made me wonder about two things:
    first: how is this 1-form ω related to the 1-form α[dx, dy] = -3dx - 2dy, with direction vector [-3, -2] that is antiparallel to direction vector [1, 2/3] that is apparently also projecting vectors [dx, dy] onto line dy = (2/3)dx. since the vectors [3, 2] and [-3, -2] point in the opposite directions, shouldn't we somehow distinct between these two lines dy = (2/3)dx?, for example like so:
    dy = (2/3)dx for ω[dx, dy] = 3dx + 2dy:
    ......
    where (n) denotes how many copies of direction vector [1, 2/3] we take to reach this point (notice that here the vectors are flowing out of the origin)
    and
    dy = (2/3)dx for α[dx, dy] = -3dx - 2dy:
    ...--->(-3)--->(-2)--->(-1)--->(0)

  • @mariolemelin27
    @mariolemelin27 11 місяців тому

    Great video! I have a small question. At 5:24, you say that a 1-form is a multiple of the scalar projection onto some line. The definition you wrote is ||||*scalar projection_ . But a and b are components, but the way you wrote it seems to say that they are components of a vector. Is that vector on |R^n?

  • @TheOneThreeSeven
    @TheOneThreeSeven 4 роки тому +3

    Any chance we could get a video on De Rahm's theorem? I have tried to grok that one like 3 times and it's still over my head. Thank youuuu =)

  • @AnlamK
    @AnlamK 4 роки тому +3

    Is he not implicitly using a result from Linear Algebra? Namely, that every linear function from a linear space to R can be expressed as an inner-product.

  • @yep9674
    @yep9674 8 місяців тому

    Excellent course for undergraduate physicists who don't want to delve into pure mathematics

  • @CstriderNNS
    @CstriderNNS 4 роки тому

    so are the (x,y) and the the same terms that make up the vector contribution and the convector contribution to a Tensor of 1,1 form ??

  • @jaeimp
    @jaeimp 5 місяців тому

    @5:35 you have a 1-form (omega) acting on the basis vectors of TpM (in this case TpRn) linearly to produce omega() = a1 dx1 + a2 dx2 + ... + an dx. The 1-form omega is separate from the vector . Now, forward one video in the series, and in here ua-cam.com/video/z2yRiMg92S0/v-deo.htmlsi=PwARWd3iH9i86VhP&t=502 you define a 1-form omega1 as 3 dx - 2 dy - dz. All of a sudden the 1-form appears already dotted with the basis vectors of TpRn! And then acting on some other vector. It is extremely confusing. Related to it, is the use of the same basis vectors for TpM and TpM^*.

  • @giuliocasa1304
    @giuliocasa1304 3 роки тому +1

    New subscriber here so first of all thank you for teaching and also sorry if I'm missing something you explained in previous videos. At 3:30 you define omega as a 1-form and so the codomain should be R but I see the differential dx and dy: maybe a notation problem but the result doesn't seem a real number to me, I recognize that omega has R^2 as domain but I fail to see how R is its codomain.

    • @giuliocasa1304
      @giuliocasa1304 3 роки тому +2

      Now I 👀see what I think is the "abuse of notation": dx and dy - as domain of definition of omega or in other words as input of the omega 1-form or in the left side of your definition omega(dx,dy) = - those dx and dy are vectors and they are different (this is misleading imho) from dx and dy in the right side = a dx + b dy - those dx and dy are covectors and in other words your 1-form is really omega(c dx + d dy) = (a dx + b dy) *(c dx + d dy) or succinctly omega (_) = (a dx + b dy) * _ and indeed this is going from R^2 to R

  • @euanthomas3423
    @euanthomas3423 Рік тому

    Having read some texts on relativity using p-forms, they seem to amount to nothing but a pointless change of nomenclature for what used to be called covariant derivatives of vectors and tensors. I didn't gain any startling new insights to repay the effort of having to translate the new symbols.

  • @vmmaker1728
    @vmmaker1728 8 місяців тому

    Sir which book you follow please reply sir 🙏🙏🙏

  • @natepolidoro4565
    @natepolidoro4565 3 роки тому +1

    What perquisites are needed for this?

  • @romajimamulo
    @romajimamulo 3 роки тому

    Which playlist is this in? I want to watch from the beginning

  • @vassillenchizhov290
    @vassillenchizhov290 Рік тому

    At the end you consider the solution a = 3/sqrt(5), but one could also choose a=-3/sqrt(5). Is the solution not unique or am I missing something that should have determined the line orientation? After all the 1-forms \omega and -\omega are different things.

  • @BlackEyedGhost0
    @BlackEyedGhost0 2 роки тому +1

    The stereo audio is flipped and it's bugging me out

    • @can1oser
      @can1oser 2 роки тому +1

      Settings > Ease of Access > Audio > mono

  • @aleespazx
    @aleespazx 4 роки тому +1

    No, it is not a good place to stop!

  • @bcthoburn
    @bcthoburn 4 роки тому +1

    @Michael Penn one question, the function omega you define as adx+bdy does not seem linear or multilinear. Maybe there is something I missing because I am just learning this all for the first time.

    • @demenion3521
      @demenion3521 4 роки тому +1

      that's because it's not supposed to be multilinear, but only linear on R². so multiples of the full vector are mapped to multiples of the image of the vectors and the same for sums. you can't multiply each component of the vector individually

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 3 роки тому

    If dy=2 dx, then it seems like a=2 and b=-1. This gives the wrong answer, however. What am I missing? What are the correct relations between the coefficients and the tangent vector components? If dx=1, then obviously dy=2; so, why isn't omega=2 dx - dy? Is this a covariant/contravariant thing?

  • @tjk581
    @tjk581 3 роки тому

    Then the 1-form is just the line in the local coordinate system?

  • @scottfager2292
    @scottfager2292 9 місяців тому +1

    At about 8:10 in the video I see omega = 3dx + 2dy, at the top of the board, but at the bottom I see something that is equivalent to 3dy - 2 dx = 0. How should I interpret this ?

  • @n00bkillerleo
    @n00bkillerleo 4 роки тому

    Maybe I missed an introductory video, but what is the motivation for this, or what would be considered the prerequisite knowledge to start talking about diff. forms

    • @MichaelPennMath
      @MichaelPennMath  4 роки тому +10

      This is the second video in the series. The idea is to pick up just after the information from a multi variable calculus class.

    • @jackhgallagher
      @jackhgallagher 4 роки тому

      n00bkillerleo We covered this in the last 2 weeks of my Honors Multivariable Calculus class, which was basically an advanced Calc III for math majors

  • @protectionsecularism6090
    @protectionsecularism6090 4 роки тому

    Very talented lecture, thank you very much, Sir

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    @HyunAndreola-i8e 2 місяці тому

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    @nicolasmafra 3 роки тому

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    @mtach5509 Рік тому

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  • @NicolasSchmidMusic
    @NicolasSchmidMusic 2 роки тому

    I wanted to understand the use of differential form in electrodynamics, but I am already lost after 2 video :(

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    @eliardosoarescoelho4333 4 роки тому +1

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    @mohammedkort5091 7 днів тому

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