Taurus Model 85: Detail strip disassembly, commentary, and reassembly.
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This ~30 year old Taurus revolver was having some trouble with the cylinder stop not actuating. I took it apart to correct the problem expecting to find a copy of Smith & Wesson design features inside of it, since over the years many have claimed these to basically be a knockoff.
To my surprise, it’s actually not at all like a S&W J frame, and has distinct differences. Some of the design features are pretty clever in my opinion, so I do some explanation and commentary on how it’s actually working before showing reassembly.
Very useful video while changing out the hammer and trigger springs on my vintage Model 85. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment. It’s great hearing when this stuff is helpful. That’s why I do it.
I just picked up a model 85 manufacturer in 1993 , never shot . It does look absolutely new . Having a mod 36 smith from 1975 also bought new from an estate sale. In comparing the 2 side by side fit and finish is about equal ( lol I know that is blasphemy to smith guys but ) . Thank you for posting this video very interesting to see the internal workings of the 85 . Will take mine to the range soon .
I think you’ll enjoy it. The older Taurus revolvers are actually pretty nice guns.
I think the Taurus guns have always been fairly decent guns. They got s bad reputation because of iffy quality control. They shipped way too many guns with issues that should have been caught and fixed before sending out to be sold. They would fix them for free but people get sick of having to send stuff back and waiting for it to be fixed not to mention the issue with needing FFL transfers and all of that even if they eventually get reimbursed.
GREAT VIDEO, AWESOME narrative & procedure.
I have a new 605 3 inch that I JUST HAD TO have a spurless hammer on...
I disassembled it before the holidays. removed the spur of an Ebay 605 hammer (Numrich was out of stock) then got back to reassembly.
I was struggling with that.
YOU saved the day!!!
For the details I just bumped the quality to 2160P & slowed the playback, all good.
THANK YOU, liked & subscribed!!!
Thanks for the feedback. I love hearing stuff like this about the videos being helpful.
It's funny, even though the 856 has some different designs inside, the disassembly was the same. Such as, the ejector rod was a solid piece not a crimped piece, but it came apart the same. Little stuff like that is interesting to me. Nice video! Thank you.
Thanks. That’s really why I do these. I like to take them apart to see the differences and similarities between the different designs. If I’m going to do it anyway might as well film it so other people can see it, too.
What year is your Taurus? Looks older I have an 856 and the 605 but mine are mat finished black an stainless in color any just wondering.
Thanks for the video. Have a 20 year old all steel 85 and the cylinder was getting pretty sticky. I was able to get the crane off the cylinder by just pulling on it. That does work if you ever need to. Got it cleaned up and good to go.
Awesome. Glad it was helpful.
Off camera I pulled on it pretty hard, but eventually decided it wasn’t worth it to me. Just seems exceptionally tight on this particular sample.
@@ColterBrog So this Taurus 85 I have is a freakishly accurate gun. It is a typical 2 inch or 1.875 or whatever all steel. I think it is a 1999 build. Anyway I have never shot a more accurate concealable handgun, especially out of single action. And I have had several friends shoot it with similar results. My wife likes to carry it but I put it in the safe a few months ago because the cylinder was clearly gumming up. When I took the gun apart today the amount of black crap in the crane and cylinder was crazy. I sprayed the entire gun down, even though the rest was already clean, with Ballistol and let it sit for 30 minutes. Then spent two hours cleaning and polishing it. It came out super smooth and am taking it to the range tomorrow to make sure I put it back together correctly.
@@kpg-uo1tm That doesn’t particularly surprise me. The model 85 has a separate crane-mounted gas ring. You can kind of think of it as a “floating” gas ring, although I don’t think that term is in any sort of common use. Colt and S&W generally have a gas ring on the cylinder face that is fixed (with the exception of a few years of S&W before they switched back).
It’s a design that tends to allow more residue to enter the center bore of the cylinder around the axle. More or less inevitable that it will become fouled.
Let me know how it works, and if you find this stuff interesting check out the other videos on forcing cones and gas rings and consider subscribing. I’ll probably be doing a Taurus 85 vs S&W 36 side-by-side mechanics video in the coming weeks.
@@ColterBrog Just subscribed. Thanks for the info. Didn't make it to the range today today but will soon.
@@kpg-uo1tm how it is shooting?
Very good video. I have a model 85 I bought around 25 years ago.
Thanks. Probably similar vintage to this one. I think the older ones are a little nicer build quality than the new ones.
Nice video! great support understanding not only how to disassembly and reassembling, but also how this actually works. THANK YOU
Thank you. A big part of the enjoyment for me is not just disassembling things, but also discovering how it works and why.
Makes it more interesting, and also easier to diagnose problems later if they occur.
Good video, learned a lot about my gun. Thanks, Wayne.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Always enjoy getting feedback.
Thanks enjoyed and learned a lot. Iam now ready to replace hammer and trigger springs with Wolff reduced power springs on my 856 UL💥
Cool. I can’t remember if I mentioned it during the video, but during reassembly I’d recommend a little bit of a quality gun grease on the sear surfaces and hammer strut (double action dog), and a coating of a light oil on other internals for corrosion protection.
Thanks for the info man. My dad dropped off his 605 for me to tinker with and I'd say it's very similar internals!
I’m really an old school S&W fan, and am coming around to Colt with their Python revamp- but I’m actually really impressed by the design of the Taurus. It’s not bad engineering at all, and has certain advantages.
I won’t lie- manufacturing quality both on old and new is not on par with American or European revolvers, which is unfortunate, but the engineering is good. It’s a solid design with potential to be great if the manufacturing would step it up just a bit.
They’re good guns that could be great.
@@ColterBrog I'm a gun fan fan of all kinds. I love my Springfield 1911, rugers, my kimber, and even my highpoint 9mm carbine to beat on🤣🤣
@@chrislawson8568 Good stuff. They’re all interesting.
Works on a Model 605 as well. Found this out while disassembling: the cylinder lock can be held up for trigger installation by placing a toothpick between the cylinder lock and the trigger side of the trigger guard
I’m not sure I understand. Are you leaving the cylinder installed while the side plate is off?
You did a real good job. This is a little difficult in some steps. It's not a gun you need to work on very often, so you don't get to practice the different steps.
Definitely true. Obviously I take revolvers of various types apart quite a bit since I make videos about it, and am probably a bit more inclined than most people to do a more frequent “deep cleaning”, but most revolvers do not need the internals serviced very frequently at all. They’re fairly well sealed up from the elements and stay pretty clean inside for a long time.
Interesting and informative. Lighting could have been better though and there was an annoying audio hum that disappeared about halfway through. Blued parts against a blued frame make filming a challenge.
I really appreciate the input. I think what you heard was my air conditioner- I now turn it off while filming. It’s definitely a learning process trying to do this stuff, but slowly I’m refining it thanks to input like this.
The coloration here was definitely a challenge. I’ve revised some of my methodology in lighting and angles, but certainly have room to improve and as time goes on I’m experimenting and trying to figure out what works best.
I appreciate the feedback, because this constructive criticism is what helps me do better.
Thank you!
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.
Really appreciated this my man
Thank you, sir.
I got an 856 but the trigger keeps jamming. I disassembled, cleaned and lube following your vid. Unfortunately issue persists. Very helpful video
That’s unfortunate you’re still having an issue. Is the trigger spring and its strut in good condition?
@@ColterBrog yes I sent it in to Taurus. They are sending a new one
This helped big time thank you
Glad it helped. Anything in particular that was useful? I always try to be detailed and do better.
Thank you, I have a 605 and was able to follow along with you because the pistols are so similar. One thing that has me stopped though is reinstalling the cylinder stop screw, can't see to get it started - Any 605 owners out there with advice?
I’m a little confused about which part you’re referring to. If possible, could you reference Numrich Gun Parts’ website and list the part number from their exploded drawing, or the name they’re using for the part?
@@ColterBrog Thank you for responding... I fiddled around with it and fixed it. Talking about the screw on the right immediately below the cylinder. It is different from your pistol due to the model difference. Thank you again, learned a lot from your video.
@@deeparks3112 Awesome. Glad it all got sorted out.
Colter Brog. I've heard from countless people online that the 90's Taurus 85's were superior to the newer 856's. Would you agree with that? If so, why?
I already know the finish on them was far better. Thanks for the video. Peace..
I think the older Taurus revolvers were better. I don’t have any hands on experience with the really new ones, but the time period of 10-15 years ago had a lot of problems.
Back in my days working in a shop, we sent back more Taurus than anything else. Kimber and Springfield also went back to the factory a lot. Sometimes Taurus revolvers would go back, and then have to be sent right back for the same problem or a new one. One particular revolver went back three times for a variety of issues.
What do you use to have such a nice coating still haver so many years? I just picked one up because I couldn't resist how it looked.
It hasn’t been used heavily. While it has been in the family for decades, it was kept in a night stand for almost all of that time. It has never been carried, and while it was shot a limited amount I would assume its entire lifetime round count isn’t more than a few hundred rounds. It’s practically new functionally, and quite good cosmetically.
Are the older Taurus 85s better or are the new ones better? Smoother?
That’s a tough call. Just based on my age and the time I worked in this industry, I mostly have experience with newer ones… and am sad to say I’m fully aware of their very responsive customer service warranty department. Lots of quality control problems.
The ones of this vintage seem to be pretty solid, but that’s with exposure to a much smaller sample size.
@@ColterBrog thanks!
There a gun store selling this exact model $380 and wanted to know if that’s a killer price or the store is trying to raise the price in todays market (current date it’s 2023)
I’m not the most up to date on pricing, but that seems a bit high to me. I would assume it to be more in the range of $250-325 for an older used Taurus.
They are fairly respectable quality, these older ones, so maybe they’re getting a following with how expensive everything else has gotten. Hard to say, but my initial impression is it’s too much.
Thank you for the excellent video. I have the exact same model I purchased in the early '90s. Where has the time gone. I was thinking about installing a hammer assembly with a hammer that has a bob and a sear. I don't like not being able to cock the hammer. Is this a simple replace the existing bobless hammer and drop in the new hammer assembly or are there other parts I need?
I can’t think of anything you’d need other than an appropriate hammer, but it might require fitting of the sear engagement surfaces to achieve a safe and desirable single action pull.
@@ColterBrog Thank you
Hello sir i need some help i am having taurus 66 old model it has the same side plate screws like your model but the question is the rear side plate screw and the middle one is interchangeable or not because i mixed these two screws and i dont know which go in which slot because these both rear side plate screws have no difference at all
The rear and middle should be interchangeable as far as I’m aware. The only one that might be different is the front one if it was trimmed to be fitted to the crane.
Numrich Gun Parts lists all three as the same part number, but if it’s like other revolvers only the front one is likely to be fitted.
@@ColterBrog yes rear and middle one looks identical but yoke screw seems little trimmed
@@ColterBrog sir my middle one screw is taking too tight twist at the end when tightning it is tight now but it is not as factory fitted position just little bit off now i am afraid it to tighten it too much or leave it as it is actualy revolvers are very expensive in our country like 2000 dollars for taurus
And sir once again sorry for my bad english
@@YTvideow I would try switching those two rear screws then and being careful not to cross-thread. Make sure no debris has fallen into the screw hole.
@@ColterBrog thanks sir plz also check if there is little bit of movement of crane when cylinder is open if you push backward and forward the crane or cylinder there is minor movement you have to push little harder for this crane movement
GREAT video!! I still have my 85CH that I bought in the early 90's. It's still in great shape. I'll be installing some Wolff springs in it shortly.
Love Wolff. I have rehabilitated so many pistols, rifles, and magazines with their springs.
12:28 the I came across a issue , the firing pin dosnt retract, so now when I close a loaded cylinder ,the firing pin stops the cylinder from closing cause the rim of the round hits the pin . Would anyone know could be causing this ?
Sounds like it is stuck forward. Possibly some corrosion in there. Might try giving it a squirt of penetrating oil and seeing if you can free it up.
@@ColterBrog the ledge on it sheared, this iteam is something I recently acquired used , the previous owner forgot to put in the spearing I’m guessing cause it didn’t have a spring in it when I pulled it out. I just filed the edges of the ares that seared now it works for the most part .
I sure would have liked to actually see what you were doing. The camera was just far enough away and the parts were dark enough that it was very difficult to what you were describing.
Thanks for the feedback. Lighting is definitely something I could improve on- my setup for filming is fairly primitive. This revolver’s dark bluing and relatively little contrast poses particular challenges.
I’m involved in some other projects currently, but this is probably one of several videos I need to revisit in the future with better equipment.
Will thoughs grips fit an 856
I think the frame dimensions in the grip area are the same on the 85 and 856, but I do not have an 856 in my possession to be able to test it to verify.
Hello friend, in what year was this Taurus manufactured?
I believe this one was made between about 1995-1996, although potentially a few years earlier.
My grandpa bought it new at WalMart around that time period.
Man you are the absolute best without this video I would have been fight this revolver for ages already took me an hour forty just to sort out this issue. I could not for the life of me figure out how to get the cylinder off of the crane I first tried to turn the rod clockwise cause that's what I'm used to wouldn't come off then tried counter clockwise that didn't work. After you said reverse threaded I said out loud I frikkin knew it grabbed some denim threw it over the rod took some pliers and after putting a metric ton of force on it it finally cracked loose still needed the pliers to work it off further it was really stuck on there. I cannot thank you enough, I'd like to buy you a steak dinner no bs. I subbed to your channel right away for this one ❤
I appreciate the subscription, the comment, and the compliment. Another revolver video should be coming soon but it’s partially a collaboration with another UA-camr so we’re getting the scheduling down.