So nice to see a comparison with no substats to skew the data, a great video!! I really think 44111 is quite viable if they roll well (which they so often do in wuwa compared to some other games) and so infinitely better to farm. I farmed herons for 3 days for Jiyan and didn't get a single good piece. But I'm completing fantastic 44111 builds with an amazingly low amount of investment. Meta players can go 43311 if they want to spend the time but as a bit more casual player it's lovely to have a much easier option.
whaouw since yesterday, I am focusing on Echoes and was wondering which ways was better ! Thanks for the video ! I know that ATK + Element is very nice too
The issue with comparing 44111 here vs 43311 is the fact that crit has higher scaling. Without giving the other set ups the substats to allow for them to balance out it causes the data to be screwed. It is a good video with nice editing. I just feel the data is misleading :(
it is in fact very misleading..4/4/1/1/1 on s0 jinhsi should only yield 94 out of 100% jinhsi top dps.. but 4/4/1/1/1 does scale better on jinhsi s6.. but not on 0 (this already include team buff) hence that's why no one sane enough to build 4/4/1/1/1.. unless you can s6 your jinhsi that is or if your crate really bad
@@kayyam9959 actually no. check maygi's vid and calculations. 44111 is not inherently worse. it all depends on the substat rolls. on 0 substat rolls 44111 is 1% worse but with good substat rolls its about 1.3% better compared to 43311. meaning, choose the better substat rolls between 44111 and 43311
@@ijaymontemayor382 4/4/1/1/1 didn't affect jinhsi worser as compared to other but it still a weaker number.. when i do char i go for the best which in s0 jinhsi is a 1 attack and 1 spectro dmg you can make the argument of choose the better substats.. yes ur right bout that that does affect more.. but if we are talking about same good substats than the answer is 4/3/3/1/1.. this exception can be overturned only if the jinhsi is a s6.. but on s0 to answer you no
@@kayyam9959care to explain to me why it scales better only on s6? is it because of the nuke damage? (extra 45% damage for her skill). i’m thinking of building her a 44111 out from the 43311 i’ve built her.
If you guys have s1 jinshi, 44111 is the best. Do not listen to anyone saying that 43311 is better from s1 onwards. From s1, 44111 pulls ahead and the game only widens at s6.
Thank you for the showcase but this is not a representation of end game build with substat so keep that in mind. Since the ony source of crit aside from weapon is from substat (no crit buffer yet sadly) people would prioritize that so we would have at least 70% CR and 260% CDM on 43311 making 44111 worse in comparison while it is winning here. That said I'm surprised that Atk% 3 cost is indeed still very good despite a ton of atk from support buff (mostly cuz of almost 50% skill dmg bonus from weapon, if you have atk% weaponthen atk become less valuable and 44111 or double spectro would be better or equal 43311) Conclusion, I think the difference isn't so big that you would need to worry about echo configuration, at most the inherent difference between them is around 5% if we inlcude average substat and buff. Just get one that have the best substat and is easiest to get. For me I'm using double spectro 43311 but I will change one to atk% cuz I run out of spectro and still no double crit on one piece smh
People, keep attention: Here 1ATK% + 1Element looks better, but probably this game also works with balance between stats Which means that when a character upgrades their ATK% in skills tree, it's better to choose 2Elements, also there's the fact element echoes can drop ATK% substats, but ATK% echoes can't drop element substats
Exactly, there are calculations already made: atk%+spectro% is the one dealing the most dmg of them all in the calculation and this video is proof of it.
This is so much better than genshin as when you upgrade artifacts it rolls into substats and in wuwa you dont so comparisons are fair. But I guess you priotise which peices roll best for you
is this a s6 jinhsi cause without subsets she is giving 145 k with buffs my echo has just crazy subsets still doing 145 k with buffs and in a tower which has more buffs lol
so what are the downsides for using 44111, one is spectro damage doesn't increase with intro skill and something about sonata effect which i didn't understand
Well if i didn't roll a godly 2 spectro pieces on my jinshi I'd build her 44111 like my calcharo fr I got 1 piece have 9.9/18 crit and the other one is 8/18 ☠️☠️
u def can.... and some TC are saying if u get some good skill dmg bonus on those 4 4111 and have her weapon... its actually the best option... but im not sure if theres consensus about this tho
@@vickdinvick5485 The substat matter a lot since Echo configuration inherent difference is so small as you can see in this video, the moment you add new stat the balance broke, so the best set would depend on your Jinshi rank, weapon, and substat. I'm using 43311 with spectro dmg cuz my atk% don't have much luck in substat but honestly if you can get 44111 with crit+Skill dmg bonus it wil probably be as good, or 43311 wiht Crit+atk% then those might be better for most people. But then again the difference is like 5% give or take which will go unoticed by most player
Do you have a video teaching or showing how to do the rotation, ive been trying to use Yuanwu instead of my Yinlin to test but its not clear for me how to do the rotation with him.
Literally just drop his pillar, switch to a second char like verina and spam as many coordinated attacks as quickly as possible. This is why YuanWu doesn't need much investment, he only exists to drop his pillar and use his echo so you can build Jinhsi stacks as fast as possible.
@@linr3 yuanwu is helpful for jinhsi cuz he only needs like a few seconds of field time at most if you also using healing set on him, he allows jinhsi stacks go up very fast and at most the only investment he needs is activating his second passive while yinlin needs on field time to get her ability up and use it which can take time and lower your damage if not built well enough, also you can use yinlin for another team if yıu use yuanwu
@@meliho27 My only issue with Yuanwu is he doesn't generate concerto energy that fast. For example if your rotation is yuanwu E > swap into verina > gen outro > intro into Jinshi, then next rotation is intro verina > swap yuanwu E > swap verina back (waste time here because yuanwu doesn't have outro ready)> gen verina outro > intro into jinshi. I'm unsure if there is an optimal rotation that allows for yuanwu to generate outro, my main issue here is when I "intro into verina" from Jinshi Union, I cannot afford to gather concerto for verina at that time because I have to place Yuanwu's E which expired (if you gather concerto and switch to yuanwu, chances are you waste your verina outro)
Taoqi works but her Playstyle is pretty slow so the Roations are not that smooth, Spectro Rover is a bad Choice for Jinhsi because he doesn't do any coordinated attacks and has the same element as her so he does not fill her bar at all. You could also use Baizhi instead of Verina to stack up the bar faster because of another different Element.
the crit value are important, maybe trying unbuild echo, it make the comparison pure. even the damage are lower but the different among damage r come from the echo main stat not the sub stat. but the video r great
excellent HOWEVER keep in mind these are WITHOUT considering substats, if you have spectre dmg bonus pieces (and other pieces) with flat ATK and ATK % substats then the spectre(x2) is going to be better IMO
@@kitseyer9124 you'll be missing 60% (2 element echo) dmg. I use bp weapon and have 60% crt 258% crt dmg, You can achieve 70% if you're lucky without sacrificing your slot with *4 crt echo.
44111 has a higher dmg scaling if you have some good substats My Jinshi have an unnecessarily high crit rate of around 100%+ and crit dmg of 217% so I'm trying to get a crit dmg Jue with good substats (I'm using 43311)
It’s for the echos. so you have 5 slots to put echos in and can only have an accumulation of rank 12. The max rank an echo can achieve is rank 4 and lowest rank 1, that’s why u see the different variations of way they build to test the damage or having two rank 4, or two rank 3 (both spectro since jinshi is spectro), or having two rank 3 with one being atk or spectro. Hope I explained it easily!
44111 Is the best build with 100% crit rate. Anything lower than 100% crit rate means you are gonna miss a crit during nukes which will lead to a great dmg loss. 2 days farming echoes and I got 94% crit rate without 7% from weapon and traces yet to be unlocked. 100% 100% crit rate is the best.
Tbh Jinhsi is much forgiveable for less crit rate since most dmg come from Incarnation mode and Dragon Puke If your dragon Puke miss Crit, just restart 43311 always be better if u consider good Substat roll 44111 is for easier farm since 3 echoes hard to farm
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Godtier video edting + a lot of useful data
User 44111 cannot accept the fact😂
it actually not useful, because when u play, jinhsi get a lot of buff ATK from verina and echo. so in real combat 44111 is still good.
@@nameno5164 the damage falloff is even bigger in that case
The most beautiful Comparison Video I have come across
I live for how the game's echo/artifacts system is most entirely on how much cost rather than how much sets cause DAMN THIS IS VERSATILE
So nice to see a comparison with no substats to skew the data, a great video!!
I really think 44111 is quite viable if they roll well (which they so often do in wuwa compared to some other games) and so infinitely better to farm. I farmed herons for 3 days for Jiyan and didn't get a single good piece. But I'm completing fantastic 44111 builds with an amazingly low amount of investment. Meta players can go 43311 if they want to spend the time but as a bit more casual player it's lovely to have a much easier option.
whaouw since yesterday, I am focusing on Echoes and was wondering which ways was better ! Thanks for the video ! I know that ATK + Element is very nice too
wahoo the video is so clear and well designated!!!! trully a work of art
The issue with comparing 44111 here vs 43311 is the fact that crit has higher scaling. Without giving the other set ups the substats to allow for them to balance out it causes the data to be screwed. It is a good video with nice editing. I just feel the data is misleading :(
it is in fact very misleading..4/4/1/1/1 on s0 jinhsi should only yield 94 out of 100% jinhsi top dps.. but 4/4/1/1/1 does scale better on jinhsi s6.. but not on 0 (this already include team buff) hence that's why no one sane enough to build 4/4/1/1/1.. unless you can s6 your jinhsi that is or if your crate really bad
@@kayyam9959 actually no. check maygi's vid and calculations. 44111 is not inherently worse. it all depends on the substat rolls. on 0 substat rolls 44111 is 1% worse but with good substat rolls its about 1.3% better compared to 43311. meaning, choose the better substat rolls between 44111 and 43311
@@ijaymontemayor382 4/4/1/1/1 didn't affect jinhsi worser as compared to other but it still a weaker number.. when i do char i go for the best which in s0 jinhsi is a 1 attack and 1 spectro dmg you can make the argument of choose the better substats.. yes ur right bout that that does affect more.. but if we are talking about same good substats than the answer is 4/3/3/1/1.. this exception can be overturned only if the jinhsi is a s6.. but on s0 to answer you no
@@ijaymontemayor382 and lastly it's not a 1%.. it's 6% inc teambuff
@@kayyam9959care to explain to me why it scales better only on s6? is it because of the nuke damage? (extra 45% damage for her skill). i’m thinking of building her a 44111 out from the 43311 i’ve built her.
so atk+spectro is the best... I'm confused now
u deserve a like anyway
Yeah but 44111 is best with buffs. Unless I saw the numbers wrong.
Keep going brothers... This make us shorten time to thinking and observation, I love you❤
i swear u the best thx bro and I hope u make same test for all characters ❤ my respect bro
Very easy to understand. Beautiful edit
That is REALLY nice to know. Saved.
If you guys have s1 jinshi, 44111 is the best. Do not listen to anyone saying that 43311 is better from s1 onwards. From s1, 44111 pulls ahead and the game only widens at s6.
yeah my jinhsi's s1r1 using 44111 set and she has 76/309 ratio very op bruh
Thank you for this video! The effort o7
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Thank you for the showcase but this is not a representation of end game build with substat so keep that in mind.
Since the ony source of crit aside from weapon is from substat (no crit buffer yet sadly) people would prioritize that so we would have at least 70% CR and 260% CDM on 43311 making 44111 worse in comparison while it is winning here. That said I'm surprised that Atk% 3 cost is indeed still very good despite a ton of atk from support buff (mostly cuz of almost 50% skill dmg bonus from weapon, if you have atk% weaponthen atk become less valuable and 44111 or double spectro would be better or equal 43311)
Conclusion, I think the difference isn't so big that you would need to worry about echo configuration, at most the inherent difference between them is around 5% if we inlcude average substat and buff. Just get one that have the best substat and is easiest to get. For me I'm using double spectro 43311 but I will change one to atk% cuz I run out of spectro and still no double crit on one piece smh
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People, keep attention: Here 1ATK% + 1Element looks better, but probably this game also works with balance between stats
Which means that when a character upgrades their ATK% in skills tree, it's better to choose 2Elements, also there's the fact element echoes can drop ATK% substats, but ATK% echoes can't drop element substats
But, will it cover that attack Thu?
Exactly, there are calculations already made: atk%+spectro% is the one dealing the most dmg of them all in the calculation and this video is proof of it.
What is atq
@@UltimateSafireSun he means ATK
But using bosses gives the most damage, right?
Thanks for this
the best video thank❤
Very good content and helpful many thanks
however we might see something different with Jinhsi lvl90
Please also make a video comparing the builds of other DPS characters like Calcharro/Jiyan and the upcoming Changli character.
video com edição perfeita para leigos, assim como eu.
parabens pelo esforço
Can you make this video again, but with jiyan please
Great video thank you so much
The most usefull data format so far
For most hero 43311 2 spectro,thunder etc is the best
what a perfect video ideas❤❤
44111 users are not beating the allegations against them right now with this one lmao!
holy crap this video so useful
This is so much better than genshin as when you upgrade artifacts it rolls into substats and in wuwa you dont so comparisons are fair.
But I guess you priotise which peices roll best for you
cool. very helpful info.
Very helpful Thanx
As long as I can kill the boss I don't care about the difference in numbers which is not too significant. Yeah I use 44111.
can u explain what are the downsides for both 43311 and 44111
the optimal min max building for endgame is 2 spectro no cap. you'll have enough atk by then
Cool video. Can you do her with various weapon as well? especially comparing with Jiyan's weapon. Thank you
I use 44111 for jinshi since its quite op
Oh they arent tuned, that makes sense
is this a s6 jinhsi cause without subsets she is giving 145 k with buffs
my echo has just crazy subsets still doing 145 k with buffs and in a tower which has more buffs lol
They show the wave bands. It's s0. Signature Weapon though
Your using your forte too early
my lvl 70 s1 Jinshin can even deal up to 240k damage, you haven't build up her forte gauge properly maybe?
@@darkcastle85 nahh bro...145 k with full forte..
@@emerlance can i just a post a link of my video here?
44111 is best, my jinshi in 80Level
Crit rate :70%
Crit damage :300
so what are the downsides for using 44111, one is spectro damage doesn't increase with intro skill and something about sonata effect which i didn't understand
Only for signature
Depends on your sub stat dude
SO OVERALL, 43311 CRIT DAMGE, SPECTRO, ATTACK, ATTK,ATTK IS THE BEST SET FOR JIHNSI!!??? Demn, need to grind attack echo xD
you don't even have sub stats nooo way 😲
can you do one for calcharo?
Thanks
Well if i didn't roll a godly 2 spectro pieces on my jinshi I'd build her 44111 like my calcharo fr
I got 1 piece have 9.9/18 crit and the other one is 8/18 ☠️☠️
thanks ❤
ok so i can use 4 4 1 1 1 until i find good 3 echos
u def can.... and some TC are saying if u get some good skill dmg bonus on those 4 4111 and have her weapon... its actually the best option... but im not sure if theres consensus about this tho
@@vickdinvick5485 The substat matter a lot since Echo configuration inherent difference is so small as you can see in this video, the moment you add new stat the balance broke, so the best set would depend on your Jinshi rank, weapon, and substat. I'm using 43311 with spectro dmg cuz my atk% don't have much luck in substat but honestly if you can get 44111 with crit+Skill dmg bonus it wil probably be as good, or 43311 wiht Crit+atk% then those might be better for most people.
But then again the difference is like 5% give or take which will go unoticed by most player
Do you have a video teaching or showing how to do the rotation, ive been trying to use Yuanwu instead of my Yinlin to test but its not clear for me how to do the rotation with him.
Literally just drop his pillar, switch to a second char like verina and spam as many coordinated attacks as quickly as possible. This is why YuanWu doesn't need much investment, he only exists to drop his pillar and use his echo so you can build Jinhsi stacks as fast as possible.
Yinlin is a lot better than Yuanwa. Just use Yinlin. Much more damage and less need for ER on Jinshi.
@@linr3 yuanwu is helpful for jinhsi cuz he only needs like a few seconds of field time at most if you also using healing set on him, he allows jinhsi stacks go up very fast and at most the only investment he needs is activating his second passive while yinlin needs on field time to get her ability up and use it which can take time and lower your damage if not built well enough, also you can use yinlin for another team if yıu use yuanwu
@@linr3bro yuanwu with healing set + healing wp literally only need basic atk once and reso skill that it
@@meliho27 My only issue with Yuanwu is he doesn't generate concerto energy that fast. For example if your rotation is yuanwu E > swap into verina > gen outro > intro into Jinshi, then next rotation is intro verina > swap yuanwu E > swap verina back (waste time here because yuanwu doesn't have outro ready)> gen verina outro > intro into jinshi. I'm unsure if there is an optimal rotation that allows for yuanwu to generate outro, my main issue here is when I "intro into verina" from Jinshi Union, I cannot afford to gather concerto for verina at that time because I have to place Yuanwu's E which expired (if you gather concerto and switch to yuanwu, chances are you waste your verina outro)
Bro do one with taoqi buff and rover spectro spectro defense decrease please : )
Taoqi works but her Playstyle is pretty slow so the Roations are not that smooth, Spectro Rover is a bad Choice for Jinhsi because he doesn't do any coordinated attacks and has the same element as her so he does not fill her bar at all. You could also use Baizhi instead of Verina to stack up the bar faster because of another different Element.
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What’s the best build for s1 Jinshi? 43311 or 44111?
44111
if I have R1 S1, which is the most optimal build between 43311 double electro, or 43311 electro+atk%, vs 4411?
Attack + spectro..43311
@@PikachuPolice tysm
thanks
I added 1 atk 1 spectro and my atk went from 1700 to 1500
Mine went from 50k to around 65..
What if jinhsi using jiyan’s sign? Cost 3 2 elem or 1 atk 1spec?
You know that jinshi's weapon give some element bonus ℅, so i would say 2 Spectro, 44111 i think you can use when you have her sign
the crit value are important, maybe trying unbuild echo, it make the comparison pure. even the damage are lower but the different among damage r come from the echo main stat not the sub stat.
but the video r great
That's what he did -.-
watch the entire video man
The best
Calcharo, calcharo, calcharo.
I have S1 Jinhsi and signature, is it better to use Spectro DMG + Atk%?
Ye u can even do double attack if u have her sig
So, 44111 is actually better? 44111 meta baby 😎
excellent
HOWEVER keep in mind these are WITHOUT considering substats, if you have spectre dmg bonus pieces (and other pieces) with flat ATK and ATK % substats then the spectre(x2) is going to be better IMO
Really depends on her sequence n weapon rank
If u have her sig weapon atk element is slightly better
Yeah that’s the issue here is what you get in your subs will screw the damage. So it’s not really a true showcase
My 44111 has over 300cdmg
Is it bad or ok
(crt 73 and rskill damage bonus 42 from sub stats)
its really good, but I think having spectro bonus dmg will be better
coz each dmg multiplier will be affecting your final dmg output
wait what do you use on 44111? when you have god rolls on subs than you can hold there 2x critdmg and have 70+ cr too should be much stronger
Using 44111 with 75 crit and250 cdm, ❤
I use 44111 with 75 crit and 260 cdm, 4 crit 4 cdm 1 attck. 1 attk 1 attk. Easy to farm
@@kitseyer9124 you'll be missing 60% (2 element echo) dmg. I use bp weapon and have 60% crt 258% crt dmg, You can achieve 70% if you're lucky without sacrificing your slot with *4 crt echo.
Tried both, 4 4 1 1 1 feels better for me, I love big crit damage
Changli pleas
44111 has a higher dmg scaling if you have some good substats
My Jinshi have an unnecessarily high crit rate of around 100%+ and crit dmg of 217% so I'm trying to get a crit dmg Jue with good substats
(I'm using 43311)
Better than genshin ww dont need full set of items to get powerfull there is no difference between echo
this is wow
Can use 4 piece spectro dmg .. or 4 piece ATK 3 cost ????
no
Not good
That dmg makes no difference...
GG content
what those the numbers that shows up in the vid means? (the 4331 n etc) 😭 btw thanks for the vid :)
Cost 12/12
It’s for the echos. so you have 5 slots to put echos in and can only have an accumulation of rank 12. The max rank an echo can achieve is rank 4 and lowest rank 1, that’s why u see the different variations of way they build to test the damage or having two rank 4, or two rank 3 (both spectro since jinshi is spectro), or having two rank 3 with one being atk or spectro. Hope I explained it easily!
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Elite Monster 3 Point like Bear, Rock,
and 1 Point for common
@@hexaneko Thanks for the explanation :)
@@UltimateSafireSun thankkk uuuu
Subbed
now made yuanwu version but only for support jinhsi
Is this with or without substats?
Without
best video. here 1 sup
43311 whats that?
echo tier level one 4 echo, 2x 3 echo and 2x 1 echo
Love your content ❤❤
I prefer Atk and Spectro besides im sometimes doing over 300k damage in Holograms without buffs
you mean you have S6 Jinshi xD
@@yama4026Nope s1 r1
@@yama4026 nope it's s1 r1
44111
Is the best build with 100% crit rate. Anything lower than 100% crit rate means you are gonna miss a crit during nukes which will lead to a great dmg loss.
2 days farming echoes and I got 94% crit rate without 7% from weapon and traces yet to be unlocked.
100% 100% crit rate is the best.
does weapon crit rate counts too bcz I have her signature weapon max out
Tbh Jinhsi is much forgiveable for less crit rate since most dmg come from Incarnation mode and Dragon Puke
If your dragon Puke miss Crit, just restart
43311 always be better if u consider good Substat roll
44111 is for easier farm since 3 echoes hard to farm
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0 x 100 is still 0
This is some of the most confident and dumbest takes ever on youtube.
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