Moving Forward - Unity Messed Up So Now What?
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2023
- Unity messed up and now the rest of us have to figure out what we're going to do about it.
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#GameDevelopment #Unity3D #indiedeveloper
Don't understand why we who pay monthly for Unity Pro should pay for installations. That was the idea of subscribing to Unity Pro. I will eventually look for another game engine that thinks long term.
good point; There are many issues different from the fees-threshold: 1) “mandatory” to be connected to the internet to work on Unity editor (independently that one is online most of the time). 2) unity plus is eliminated and most of the (indie) game developers pay that subscription due to getting rid of the splash unity screen, Unity (indirectly) obligates indie game developers to buy Unity pro paying $399 (which It´s ok) to not less than $2000. 3) one specific indie developer with one license or seat might pay fees for unity installation by each computer that she/he can own for example a desktop AND one laptop. Independently of some few fixing policies from Unity, one must not to wait for a "complete" or "full picture" information from Unity because it is something that Unity is not able to do inherently; this not for the current Unity case but other issues in the past.
What Blender has shown me as it rose from an obscure freeware 3D software to basically the current standard; is that open source products have all the benefits of highly motivated, creative geniuses, with none of the corporate overreach. I predict Godot will become the Blender of game development. They have decent funding now, full steam ahead. This is my choice moving forward.
@@dp2791 I feel much the same way. Godot will make a quick rise as will some other lesser known engines.
@@kairon156
>What Blender has shown me as it rose from an obscure freeware 3D software to basically the current standard
Animation and 3d software market share:
Maya 70%
3ds max 25%
Blender 5%
Current standard🤡
@@juser-abuser I did look into Maya a while back and recently had a quick look at Blender the other day.
Maya's UI looks way, way clearer to understand and likely same for use long term.
It's too bad Maya is so darn expensive starting at $400 Cad and that's just a yearly rental fee. 😢
Imagine Unity as a company that provides you tools to make a building, which building is being made by your own team's creativity and effort but then at a certain threshold, they charge you money for each person that visits or stays in your building.
Those were sad words, and as a big fan of your work, I appreciate hearing your thoughts.
I will still follow your work no matter your decision, the only thing I ask is to not give up games, the game dev community needs talented people like you! ❤
Thanks for the kind words! Definitely not giving up games. I enjoy the process too much. The creative problem solving required ticks a lot of boxes for me ;)
I have never heard Godot being mentioned that much since last week.... a hell of a great advertisement from unity. And cheap one, Godot people are happy
Right! You couldn't pay for this kind of marketing. Ha!
If there's any Consolation, they've been making concessions with each new update to the point where they might drop it. However, they truly fucked up their reputation with this move.
Darn autocorrect! *Consolation
This is a hard setback for our studio team. 2 years of progress across 2 games, now we have to jump ship and learn a completely new game engine. We decided on Godot, trying to soak up all the tutorials we can. What a mess Unity has caused...
We hope others in similar situations as us have the smoothest transition possible. Wishing you all the best of luck, and the best success in your endeavors.
People that run Unity gave us all very clear and indisputable information. Information is: "If needed, we will bleed you dry". They can walk this 100% back, but you know, in back of your head, that they can snap at any time. Building your future on something that proved itself to be unstable is not smart decision. Start learning new stuff NOW and switch in future when you are ready and sleep well.
Godot. You can see it as a step back, I see it as a step forward. It is a fresh new country and opportunities abound! Imagine being one of the few Godot educators in an exploding demand market, for example. Or tutorial series. Imagine being the first to create XY type plugin for their upcoming asset store. Imagine.... All those opportunities which have been already taken with an engine as old and as overpopulated with experienced devs as Unity. Really, the whole scene was becoming a bit stale and decadent. Now I am coming to conclusion that this whole thing was needed to shake things up and propel the industry forward on healthier foundations - a bit like how Autodesk's greedy arrogance gave birth to the wonderful open-source tool that is Blender, which in turn transformed the whole creative 3D industry for the better.
Even Linux is a good example of an industry going open source. You have a really valid point there.
It's going to feel like a step back _at first,_ since Godot isn't as mature as Unity at the moment. It's going to make some leaps in the near future as KiCAD did not too long ago, but it will probably be a major version or two before we start to see some amazing things.
@@MMuraseofSandvichIn 2D Godot 4 is as good or better than Unity.
In 3D is good enough for normal or casual gaming projects.
Still needs development for some features. But the funding and sponsorships doubled in just a week!
Then they got that big 100k donation from Terraria developer.
Because is open source like Blender means all these developers can contribute patches and more can be hired as well.
Development most likely will double as well.
Features that may had been planned for 1 year most likely be available in 6 months or less 🎉😊
For me, you're one of the best Channels on UA-cam. I learned a lot from your Design Patterns videos, especially the Observable pattern tutorial. I'll keep following your work regardless of my engine change decision.
Unity's runtime fee as proposed would have decimated our successful free to play game. I have been actively searching for alternatives (Unreal and Godot mostly). I am looking to switch.
Such a shame because while I have despised Unity leadership for years because of their non game development focus, I love working in the engine. Meanwhile it's the game devs that fund their ridiculously expensive forays into industries that do not directly benefit the game devs funding it.
That all said, I do not blame anyone for sticking with what works for them. I wish I could stay...
This whole situation sucks. Its like a nightmare. One minute i was brainstorming ideas for my game and what im gonna do when i get back to working and in the other, suddenly all my hopes and plans are shattered and im in this state of limbo, unsure whether i should switch or continue working on it.
The fee is charged only if your game collects more than 200k installs and money. How can your free game make 200k money?)
@@gaymdev6144 Free to play means anyone can download but only a very few buy anything. Considering Unity wants to charge per install, free to play game devs have a nightmare scenario on their hands.
@@gaymdev6144 so your saying that i should limit my scope to only 200k??then they effectively put an expiration date on your game. Once your game is this good, we are gonna bankrupt you and destroy it.
Having that glass ceiling above our heads is gonna discourage Developers from trying. And thats bad. You never know when a famous youtuber plays your game and it blows up. And now, people will actively wish it never happens.
Thank you for your candid and heartfelt assessment. I, too, am sticking with Unity at least for the short term. I will be watching for future updates from you. Good luck.
i feel your pain man, your not alone.. same situation here.. i can't afford to learn a new engine when i can just finish my project, i hope you finish your project and go as planned, i can tell from your voice the distress this has caused on you is a lot, you was one of my favorite teachers on youtube.. i learned so much from you when i was new myself , thank you so much.
Thanks for the kind words! Regardless of which way things go, I'm hoping to still be making videos for a long time 🤞
Thank you! Will be looking out for videos!!
I would say though, at least Unity didn't have it's own proprietary language. At least you don't have to write all your code from scarch.
Man, I feel ya. I'm on the same page. Best of luck to you. Hopefully things turn around in a positive way for all of us! I've begun learning Unreal and Rive just to make myself feel a little better. It's gonna be a lonnnnnng journey but learning these new systems will go far faster now than how long it took me to learn Unity. I've got years of experience now that is somewhat transferable.
Oh Rive looks interesting!
I do think a lot of the experience is transferable and getting started with a new system will be a lot quicker. Learning a second programming language is a lot easier than learning the first.
I understand you. I also got my job as a Unity developer, but even tho I got this job as a Unity Developer, I also started learning Unreal and Godot, while pushing my Unity skills forward. I guess it's gonna be a tough time for us Unity Developers. But I guess that's also an opportunity to later, be prepared to accept any challenge in any game engine
Time to learn some new skills before it's time to look for a new job! I really thought my job possiblities were endless. In less than a week it seems like my skills have an expiration date. I still have hope, but man it's been a rough week.
The Unity users are just as important to the Unity ecosystem as the team making the engine. Glad you’re sticking with it at least until we know more. For many who work on smaller games, like game jams or super simple mobile games, going to another engine isn't a problem. But for many of us, we depend on Unity and its ecosystem. Picking the right engine for the job is always what we should be doing, and we also shouldn't discount an engine that for all intents and purposes is still very good and improving a lot every year. As independents, we make our own business decisions, and regardless of what engine you choose you have to factor in license costs and revenue sharing, with few exceptions.
good point; not for you but for all of us, however it is good to mention that having critical thinking does not mean to react on emotion (it is a victimization position to those who complain), necessarily. complaining does not mean that one has to change the use of unity and it does not mean not to respect and to understand those who want to change (every person has diverse situations). One thing is staying with Unity as a technical engine and another point is staying with Unity as a company in the administrative and governance framework. On the other hand, without the indie game developers pressure Unity should not have softened some measures as regards e.g, not installs fees as for webgl-streaming games. Also in this video is said Incomplete information?. The CEO and others selling shares before making public the new unity policies; There are many issues different from the fees-threshold: 1) “mandatory” to be connected to the internet to work on Unity editor (independently that one is online most of the time). 2) unity plus is eliminated and most of the (indie) game developers pay that subscription due to getting rid of the splash unity screen, Unity (indirectly) obligates indie game developers to buy Unity pro paying $399 (which It´s ok) to not less than $2000. 3) one specific indie developer with one license or seat might pay fees for unity installation by each computer that she/he can own for example a desktop AND one laptop. Independently of some few fixing policies from Unity, one must not to wait for a "complete" or "full picture" information from Unity because it is something that Unity is not able to do inherently; this not for the current Unity case but other issues in the past.
How can you make business decisions when Unity can change their license retroactively?
Honestly I thank unity. The recent news encouraged me to try godot and while it may not have everything I want, the momentum it has and the new attention it's got has me very hopeful for the future.
Good luck to you and all current users of Unity.
Hope things goes back to normal and what ever new terms they are going to come up with, should favour for them and us Devs
I have a little bit of fear when i think in the future. But i will wait a little bit more before jump the ship too. I want you to know that you was one of the best teachers that i found here on youtube, and you helped me to finish my game.
🙏Thanks for the kind words. Puts a big smile on my face to know the videos are helpful!
No need to lose your hope just yet. They will step back from it and probably adopt percentage over revenue like Unreal.
As far as trusting Unity goes? We can trust no company. Epic is being dev friendly until they are not, for some reason, we have to thank all the whales that spend a lot of money on Fortnite but when that ceases to exist we better watch our backs too.
The future is open source, but Godot is not even near being ready for a massive public of devs.
Unity needs to get rid of that snake, the CEO, otherwise.. idk... we'll have a sour taste in our mouths all the time.
Unity is cool, it's a good engine, lets not throw it away because some greedy prick. Lets be patient and resilient, plus, it's not like we are fighting a real war and dying or anything.
good point; not for you but for all of us, however it is good to mention that having critical thinking does not mean to lose hope (it is a necessarily; complaining does not mean that one has to change the use of unity and it does not mean not to respect and to understand those who want to change (every person has diverse situations). One thing is staying with Unity as a technical engine and another point is staying with Unity as a company in the administrative and governance framework. On the other hand, without the indie game developers pressure Unity should not have softened some measures as regards e.g, not installs fees as for webgl-streaming games. Also in this video is said Incomplete information?. The CEO and others selling shares before making public the new unity policies; There are many issues different from the fees-threshold: 1) “mandatory” to be connected to the internet to work on Unity editor (independently that one is online most of the time). 2) unity plus is eliminated and most of the (indie) game developers pay that subscription due to getting rid of the splash unity screen, Unity (indirectly) obligates indie game developers to buy Unity pro paying $399 (which It´s ok) to not less than $2000. 3) one specific indie developer with one license or seat might pay fees for unity installation by each computer that she/he can own for example a desktop AND one laptop. Independently of some few fixing policies from Unity, one must not to wait for a "complete" or "full picture" information from Unity because it is something that Unity is not able to do inherently; this not for the current Unity case but other issues in the past.
This was a great, balanced explanation of your approach. As someone who currently teaches Unity, and has been working towards leaving my enterprise dev job for a game development career, this news was quite a blow. I'm also waiting to get the full picture and not react on emotion, but long term I think I'll be moving to another engine.
Unless you really need Unity for some specific proprietary features, Godot is a really great next choice that has full support for 2D, 3D and XR.
However, Unreal is really flexible too and very advanced. I can't tell you how useful their solutions have bailed me out when being asked to do something way beyond my means by some of my clients.
good point; not for you but for all of us, however it is good to mention that having critical thinking does not mean to react on emotion (it is a victimization position to those who complain), necessarily. complaining does not mean that one has to change the use of unity and it does not mean not to respect and to understand those who want to change (every person has diverse situations). One thing is staying with Unity as a technical engine and another point is staying with Unity as a company in the administrative and governance framework. On the other hand, without the indie game developers pressure Unity should not have softened some measures as regards e.g, not installs fees as for webgl-streaming games. Also in this video is said Incomplete information?. The CEO and others selling shares before making public the new unity policies; There are many issues different from the fees-threshold: 1) “mandatory” to be connected to the internet to work on Unity editor (independently that one is online most of the time). 2) unity plus is eliminated and most of the (indie) game developers pay that subscription due to getting rid of the splash unity screen, Unity (indirectly) obligates indie game developers to buy Unity pro paying $399 (which It´s ok) to not less than $2000. 3) one specific indie developer with one license or seat might pay fees for unity installation by each computer that she/he can own for example a desktop AND one laptop. Independently of some few fixing policies from Unity, one must not to wait for a "complete" or "full picture" information from Unity because it is something that Unity is not able to do inherently; this not for the current Unity case but other issues in the past.
I feel similarly and appreciate your authenticity and POV. I’m sticking with Unity for existing projects, exploring alternatives and will continue to reassess as more info comes. Biggest issue for me has been breach of trust, especially removing TOS GIT repository, among other things. But have been working with it for 10+ years and have a published, continually updated app.
Looking forward to Unity’s new announcement
Keep going! I believe in you! Your videos really help me in the past, and i will stick with you, no matter what, good luck!
I'm pretty sure he wants to keep going the issue is keep going by doing what? 😂😂
The writing is on the wall, hope you can see it.
I wasn't aware of this and just wanted to get started with Unity but now I will get into something else.
Thanks for sharing this information.
Unity has made some recent changes and are giving some of us hope they are changing. Not enough for some but many of us are hoping things will improve in the long run. Only time will tell.
@@OneWheelStudio Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I hope they will change for the better, especially for devs like you who are deeply invested in Unity.
I myself am not and I won't risk sinking hundreds of hours into learning the engine if shenanigans like this are pulled.
App-Loving has started a new project to build migration tools to help folks move away from Unity and port existing projects into unreal or Godot.
You've got to love this! Pretty clever on their part.
Feel you bro! In the same boat as you too! spent six month rewriting our terrain engine using DOTS! Very disappointed and sad what has happen over the last few days!
I can understand the cost of porting an existing game to a new engine being too great. So staying on Unity makes sense in the short term. But I can't imagine starting a new game on Unity at this point. It's just too high a risk.
I started GameMaker a week ago and been loving it! A lot of features that can be done that is pain for unity2D
I think GameMaker is underrated! I'm much more of a 3D kind of guy, but yeah, you don't need all the fancy stuff to make fun games. Best of luck!
I put only 2 years in learning Unity and c#, not much but sill hurts. For me all that retroactive install fees sounded really insane because of my background in economics/finance so i've installed UE, played with templates for 15 min and that's it for now. News coming and i hope it will be something good, lastest i heard - 4% fee after 1m revenue sounds fair enough (they also need a source of income, millions of indies that use basic version generate 0$ of income for Unity as a company directly(Unity ads i don't count here) .. and team(devs) that makes Unity Engine for us also want to live good enough/pay their bills and have fair payment for the job they do and not being layed off because lack of income at company (but not poor managemet -they suck)). Anyways -we'll see when it will come. I like Unity for it's universal approach - UE is more for 3d, Godot is more 2d and very basic 3d right now so there's no good alternative engine right now.. and who will evolve faster only time will show. Maybe none maybe both..
4% fee for Unity and 5% for Unreal? Given the bad quality of Unity tools I'm not seeing that as a good deal. Some simple games do better on Unity for mobile but you still get all the random crash and upgrades break too much obscure things.
I got an idea. Why don't we all clap each other and use godot?
Man. I realy hope you be OK... Sorry for all the stress you pass with all this crap. Good luck...
Man, rough to watch you trying to keep that stiff uppper lip, but I do think you're making the reasonable call so far. Sucks to have to even type 'reasonable call' though.
I was reading up about some of the IronSource merger stuff at the board and share level on Twitter yesterday, and between the other options Riccitiello had on the table and the board presence the IS folks have now, I think the writing's on the wall. Just crossing my fingers they don't turn it into full-on malware, though given gamedevs' level of self-advocacy, that might be a long-term good to help regulate this kind of c-suite behavior.
For me, I'm most of the way through the controls and physics on a small project I really mean to use to focus on modeling and rigging, so I plan to finish it out, but after that I'll likely jump. Kind of hoping this lights a fire under the Blender community's a***s to push their engine to the forefront, though Godot seems reasonable as an option.
Either way, you've got my support. You're the only one I've seen get so consistently technical and stay comprehensible, and I have no doubt you'll be that way regradless of your chosen environment. G_dspeed!
I can see the stress and concern on your face, I'm sorry you're going through this man, it's reflective of what so many other developers are feeling right now too. Regardless it's probably a good idea to be semi-knowlegable in Unreal and/or Godot.
Wow Unity, you really took a bite from the hand that feeds.
What I find interesting, maybe even entertaining after this mess is over, is the fact that my wife said that I have been making the same faces as you, over this past week in regards to anything Unity related. I, well, We (Apophis Software) share in your frustrations over this development. One of our first game engine "looks" was at Godot. As Godot has a C# version, it's cross/multiplatform, and out of the box, it's faster than Unity. Loading up your project, running your project, etc., are all faster. Also, we found a package for Godot that allows us to import (with a good deal of "it just works") unity assets. So there is that, too. While we have just started delving into Godot, I can say that everyone here says that it looks promising.
Good luck on your journey and in handling this!
Basically, the entire executive team has to be replaced for the trust to have a chance to be regained.
been using the engine since v4. Its such a shame that they were willing to throw away all of the hard years of work that people have contributed to development of the engine for a quick buck. I don't even care if they roll back their decision. We've seen what we needed to see. What a waste
On the flipside this could also be a good thing. Speaking for myself at least, being forced out of my comfort zone and having to learn a new engine will be 100% worth it.
Whatever your decision im 100% all for it! I found you a while ago when the Input System was new and you made it so much easier to understand and work with!
I am a visual artist, my main discipline is Fine Art. I started using Unity around late 2019 to teach myself virtual galleries and virtual artist portfolio creation during the lock-downs. Unity has been an excellent learning experience, but, as I was learning Unity it became clear to me that only having one game engine to develop my work is a mistake. I learnt how to use Unreal and more recently Godot as well - I only learn what I need to get the project done so there is a creative and functional overlap with each engine - keeping all the eggs in one basket can break everything if the basket fails.
This issue won't affect me as I don't sell my content and won't ever touch the financial threshold to activate the fee ....it seems there is a hysteria about this, like you say, not all the information is out there so to make a fully informed decision is difficult. But, if it's true, having fees for installs on games made years ago screams of a desperate attempt at money grabbing...that in itself would be a red flag and a motivational influence to develop on different engines - let's hope the other engines don't adopt the same business model - corporations are only interested in the dollar and are not our friends.
Hello OWS ! have you thought of switching to Godot/Or any other engine ? and utilizing AI to port codes ? I am a scientific workin in physics with complex codes, and it really helped me in many cases. Is it suitable for you maybe ? or trying to port a portion of your game and evaluating how much it is time consuming and how does it align with your expected results ? and judge from the results ?
I've seen a bit on the AI tools that helping port games. Good to know they exist! Short of Untity dumping spyware (and us knowing about it) or some other policy coming in from left field my plan is to finish this game in Unity and then take a few months to explore options for a future project.
BTW, my background is in physics. I've got too degrees ;) What kind of work are you doing in Unity and physics?
My heart goes out to you man, stay motivated, stay strong
I'm in the same boat, I'm going to finish my latest project and try unreal and Godot ASAP.
Keep it up man. You'll be fine no matter the outcome. I believe in you.
good point; not for you but for all of us, however it is good to mention that having critical thinking does not mean to react on emotion (it is a victimization position to those who complain), necessarily. complaining does not mean that one has to change the use of unity and it does not mean not to respect and to understand those who want to change (every person has diverse situations). One thing is staying with Unity as a technical engine and another point is staying with Unity as a company in the administrative and governance framework. On the other hand, without the indie game developers pressure Unity should not have softened some measures as regards e.g, not installs fees as for webgl-streaming games. Also in this video is said Incomplete information?. The CEO and others selling shares before making public the new unity policies; There are many issues different from the fees-threshold: 1) “mandatory” to be connected to the internet to work on Unity editor (independently that one is online most of the time). 2) unity plus is eliminated and most of the (indie) game developers pay that subscription due to getting rid of the splash unity screen, Unity (indirectly) obligates indie game developers to buy Unity pro paying $399 (which It´s ok) to not less than $2000. 3) one specific indie developer with one license or seat might pay fees for unity installation by each computer that she/he can own for example a desktop AND one laptop. Independently of some few fixing policies from Unity, one must not to wait for a "complete" or "full picture" information from Unity because it is something that Unity is not able to do inherently; this not for the current Unity case but other issues in the past.
@@user-fb3dq7wm6i Yeah, it's not the tool that makes a programmer.
Well they said there will be changes for the entire thing the insiders devs in unity says it's going to be alright and the way the game devs want it to be so if they actually do so I'm getting back to the engine
I was about to finish my Mahjong game. Just need to code next round lojic connection between rounds. Sux but have to wait for new info. It will be my last Unity game sadly.
I'm under NDA on the details of this so yes I *DO* have some biases and business relationships to disclose, but I've been using unity for over a decade before all that, and with my one man studio indie dev hat back on, all I can say is that I'm pleasantly surprised by the new proposed terms and just hope they finalize what was shown to me and go public ASAP. If the original terms were a 5/10, and the initial botched runtime fee was a 1/10, I am rating the new terms, in a vacuum, 8.5/10. This is not over and it won't undo all the damage. But the terms by themselves are attractive. If they had led with these terms, I think most people would have thought it was good news.. I hope that can provide someone with some shred of hope to hang onto for the next few days.
I've heard rumors of better ideas/policies in the pipeline. Sure would be great if they were true! I do think they have to answer or address the questions of tracking. Not to put on my tin foil hat or worry about the 5G nanobots in my veins, but the idea that they can track installs definitely gets folks nervous. Seems like either a pretty wild claim or something not good is or was going to work it's way into Unity builds.
All that said, thanks for the hopeful note! I honestly hope your right and Unity can roll out some new ideas without sticking their other foot in their mouth.
@@OneWheelStudio I have no inside info on this point, so the following comment is only my interpretation of the public comms: IMO the earliest responses sounded like 'everything has to count because we can't tell the difference' and that is very very telling and almost certainly true. Ironically when they were forced to confront the severe shortcomings of that and start carving out the necessary exceptions In the panicked second wave of comms, 'wildly' intrusive software became necessary to make good on promises that I presumably no engineer or lawyer ever signed off on. Then silence, as they shut down the counter productive comms and come up with a plan that no longer requires the keeping of these impossible promises. So far, everything I've seen is consistent with this narrative, and if correct, it will hopefully turn out that no intrusive tracking has been, or will need to be, developed. My fingers are crossed ;)
I suppose I am lucky that, as a hobbyist who has spent the last 3 years learning Unity, the company showed their true colors relatively early in my development journey. I am distraught at the wasted time, so I cannot imagine the weight of this for those who have shipped products or are currently in a development cycle. I now view Unity, its CEO, and the slew of glorified malware company executives that bought their way onto Unity's board since the IPO, as an existential threat to the video game as an art form.
I have no idea whats going on. But considering how they handled my personal account with them, I'm not surprised.
Hey Mate! I'm with you on this one! I have exactly the same feelings. As single hobby dev, I am sticking with Unity. I just recently started new project that I plan to finish in 12-18 months. Only way I can do it in this period of time is by using the tool I know - Unity. Even though it's a new project, going to new engine would extend this time by 2x, maybe even 3x longer.
Let's be honest, new price model will not affect most of small devs working on desktop games. But I am worried about future of my game because Unity is hated now. Not only by developers, literally by everyone. People who have nothing to do with gaming industry have negative opinion on Unity. Gamers thinks any Unity game installs malware on your PC. So I am worried, that because of using this engine, I will get some hate for doing so....
Stay strong minded! Thank you for sharing! We will survive this, and become better than ever. But it won't be easy :)
Best of luck! Looking forward to new video and next streams!
What’s sad is a lot of people are in the same situation and it’s certainly by design from Unity. From the guy that proposed a microtransaction for players to reload because they’re not price conscious. This is the same type of thing but with developers…
He managed to switch to RTX technology with iPhone 15. It seems that RTX=UE should be taken into consideration in future career and business planning.
My man I understand your decision I do recommend though that you back up everything including dependencies like packages, etc. The full installer of the Unity version that you used to build the game, etc. The full folder also including the files ignored by the .gitignore file just in case the company goes south you need to backup everything needed to open the source assets of your game.
You need to basically become a video game historian and preserve your game so you can edit the source files in the future and you don't depend on the company's wellbeing. Hell, even a whole windows disk image with your project in it.
Basically what I mean is you don't wanna lose all your hard work in case the company ceases to exist and thus the engine. You need to be able to open it again to port it to some other engine or just recover files for a sequel, stuff like that.
I'm actually thinking of doing this myself as well. Just in case. I prefer to prepare in vain than not doing it. And I actually don't have anything important to back up, just want to preserve at least the latest engine version
Respect
I'm at a bit of a crossroads myself, but I choose to view this as an opportunity than a loss. It's not like all the skills we've learned are exclusive to Unity. So I'm banging some rocks together in Godot.
I think that's smart. If nothing else get some more experience and a fresh perspective.
This comes down to stability of the business.
So I'm moving over to Godot
Good man! Godot is great
My worry with projects that stay with unity after this, is mainly the safety/ privacy aspect, since their announcement heavily implies there will be some form of enforcing telemetry of some kind in games made with their engine. I know it's a tough decision to make, but taking into account the consequences for your players, and how developers will be indirectly agreeing with these practices by accepting to release their games in such conditions is important in my opinion.
Totally. 100% agree. One of the many questions we need answers to. Their claims of being able to track "installs" sure sound scary and questionably legal at best. I'm hoping this and many other parts of the situation will be clarified over the coming weeks - well before I release my game.
I hope you're holding strong, I also wanted to give a vote of faith to Unity since I don't like Unreal and the fact that it'd have me likely betray Steam (even for a year), but I guess until Valve decides to make Source their Unreal competitor open to the public I'm out of luck.
If Unity as a company dies in the next couple years, isn't it likely that their assets will be sold at auction? Could Apple or Microsoft be waiting to buy the scraps and incorporate it into their existing products?
The fact that Unity felt it was OK to (illegally?) change pricing policy in this fashion, and then retroactively assign cost to existing games, is mind-boggling. This alone should send developers running.
Even if I'm not as invested in the same ways, the ideas I had for a game to make that were just barely in scope because of Unity and the asset store, are now looking out of scope or not so feasible. It's not that it couldn't still be done technically, but it was already probably overly ambitious, and would be much moreso without the shortcuts. It's already easy to lose the idea of the game and how it'd be fun when working deep in the technical details, having to do it even more would just put it even further out of scope. Can we just fire all the execs, starting with the CEO, instead?
Waiting for more information is honestly a good policy right now, I think.
Man you know I was about to return the unity man and you know I heard I could feel your pain through your words man and you don't stay strong I would say just dabble with Godot just got you know just dabble in it test it cuz there's a way to run it like it's unity so just try that you know you don't have to fully
You don't have to quit unity cold turkey just dabble into Godot and see how it feels then slowly go in there I truly feel your pain and respect to you and you're not alone
Definitely going to do some dabbling in the future. Unity's next move might determine if that dabbling is next week or next year.
I feel your emotion man :( We have the same decision to finish the current project with Unity. But learning Godot or another engine as early as now I consider a very smart investment, preparation, diversifying, and stabilizing our future career in game development.
Thankfully my day job is stable and these new policies are unlikely to effect it. That said it does feel like this all is great motivation to learn some new skills.
"I don't act on incomplete information"
Well, you've certainly incentivized them not to give us complete information.
Long term view, I'm really positive about it. Look at all the support alternative game engines are getting. Unity having the monopoly is what ultimately lead to this.
Totally. Unity having a bit more competition certainly wouldn't be a bad thing!
Moving on to Unreal cause of the Unity debacle, made me realize how far behind Unity is.
Definitely give other engines a chance. Most of them now give you more stability in the long run.
Guessing Unity was on a lifeline for a while now..
Also support any open source software...including linux
If they revert, cool. If not? I guess I'm still with them.
They won't vanish over the coming 3-5 years? I'm hoping to have a steam game built by then! The engine is awesome, I can't find it in me to switch to another at this moment, it's an utter pain in the ass to do that stuff. switching 3D Max to Blender was a nightmare.
The only thing I fear, and I think it's out of being naïve about companies, is it possible for Unity to sink like the Titanic and dissovle over the next coming months or several years? Is that in the realm of possibility? Or, you reckon even with all the pitfalls Unity will still be profitable over the next 10+ years? Meaning I don't have to worry for a long time.
they might get bought for dirt cheap by another company and may have to get rebranded
Whether that could happen in the coming years is still hard to say with things still very much ongoing. But it's definitely not out of this realm, massive software tools/framework/standards have fallen before(for example flash) so it can happen to Unity as big as it is. Unity is a great tool, but everyone should start putting some eggs in a different basket as well, to keep themself safe. Not saying Unity will die (yet), but you don't want to be in a position where you're fully in on Unity. If things do go to shit (and it definitely can happen), you will be screwed 100%.
If course, finish up current work, then take a decision.
I'm fearful
Developers including internal Unity employees are dumping Unity. Many of their staff have quit. I don't think it's possible for them to regain the trust they destroyed. Chat GPT has been helping people port their code.
I'm far to deep into my own unity project to jump ship. I love your content, especially your programming paradigms videos and I'm going to miss that content.
However, as soon as I have enough money to pay engineers to port it over to unreal, then I'll do that. Unity and it's board can't be trusted. The engine is on its way out. This is going to take a few years, but it will happen eventually.
ChatGPT + Utu plugin can do most of the heavy lifting in a day
@@stupidburpSome games have very simple scripts but not that common. All the shaders and camera controller you've worked on won't translate well. And there are units conversions that don't fare well between engine. Some invert Z and Y axes. What I've seen of ChatGPT is pretty pathetic tbh.
@@stupidburp unfortunately this won't work for me, I rely heavily on some custom APIs that just can't be converted.
Because all this drama 😔 happened I started using Godot 4
I have plan to recreate most my project over to Godot step by step
If something changes for the better i think about it
However if the unity died completely I will probably continue using unity To be honest as sad as the sound if unity team stopped stop support by the unity I will probably be good thing for my
Because I will not have to worry for whatever policy the disappointed to do and will able to finish the projects I already started but this unlike to happen
So because of this I have already starting learning Godot and I have plan to move project to other engine's
I just can't make a product and sell it to people that becomes part of an ad spyware network to make guys like John Riccitiello super rich while we suffer for them. Finish your current project (and I hope you do well!) but then switch.
I recommend flax engine, closest to unity
I've seen some folks talking about it. Sure looks interesting and promising. The lighting definitely looks beautiful! How does it stack up feature-wise?
To be honest, it's extremely important to ban this engine now. It's not just about their pricing plan but the kind of mindset they have and the idea to introduce microtransactions for developers and gamers involved in this industry. One way or the other, they will come up with new ideas to do the same if we let this go. It's a potential threat to the whole industry.
This whole thing made me very weary of not just Unity, but other platforms as well such as Adobe. If Unity suddenly and retroactively can charge you for sales of already finished projects using their Engine which is NOT what you agreed abon 4-7 years ago, imagine what other companies can do. Adobe can decide that all content created using their products since 1982 now owe them 50% revenue because their TOS NOW says so, what logic is this? and I heard many say that what Unity did was legal!?
One Unity employee just passed this off as an "ideological narrative" and that we were all on some trendy hate bandwagon. Talk about poor optics.
Unless your project was in early stages it dosent make sense, even when my team change from unreal 4 to unreal 5 we throw up a lot of stuff "away" to start fresh based on feedback
Don't think unity will die yet cause just like you many devs are in the middle of a dev cycle, but I expect this is goin to be unity last dev cycle, witch is sad even for me that had no horse on this race, already use unreal and never saw reason to move to unity but I kept tabs on...
Too bad that Corporations only care about their SHAREHOLDERS instead of their CUSTOMERS.
The problem here is people who uses Unity aren't like your typical customers. They are businesses too. The only reason Unity didn't get away with it is because they have a business to business relationship with their users unlike twitter and reddit where it is consumer based.
if you can't fork the engine, it will eventually fork you.
Without seeing the video, my guess would be you are moving to Unigine
Riccitiello destroys everything he touches. He singlehandedly was responsible for the downfall of EA sports titles starting in 2009. This is the same guy who pushed internal dev teams beyond their limits to release unfinished titles with zero regard to those working on the game and end users. During his tenure at EA the company was twice nominated as the worst company in America. However, the person(s) that hired Riccitiello as CEO of Unity is the real criminal.
say Hi to Godot?
It's also not as impactful of a change as most of the uninformed think it is. It actually helps me, personally.
That's how a relationship with an abusive partner looks like.
Agreed. It's definitely begining to look a lot like that.
So glad I don't work for Unity. I feel for those people.
I am Russian speaking person, but I've spent 3 years in Ukraine, I've seen the war and know why it still is going. If I see a titrant I call him that way. I can't trust my dream and future to a corpo that can do such stunt.
I'm not sold to unreal engine yet, but I really like what I see there. Although C++ is not what I liked to do ever. I feel in love with C# easy to read code. I now think of how to write code which would be like human language. I haven't seen such thing in C++. I don't know how refactoring works there. I still hate headers. But retiring to unity is not possible for me, knowing it's an irradiated wasteland now. What happens to a unity developer market now? It was hard for me to get a job there previously. May be I looked in a wrong place though or downselled myself.
This decision from Unity ( which I'm 100% sure they will backtrack...if not they just deserve to crash and burn) as bad as it is have its good side. Best ads for open source engine like Godot , which will , I hope, seize this opportunity ( they already received a 100000$ donation which I'm sure will helps make it even better )
In pains me to see devs struggling because of unity’s bad decisions.
I'm developing my Indy game on Unity, 3 years into it. I now as anyone else wake up and realize that CEO and some other boardroom guys are transforming Unity in a little lemon to squeeze devs money out. All these nice features like Cinemachine or C# full integration and debugging sadly have zero value. I don't think keep wasting my time on it is a good way forward as I will not be happy to make the game succeed knowing it will eventually fall into the greed of the Unity boardroom. While I'm waiting few more days to see how all of this unfold, I already started evaluating other engines and ATM I'm leaning towards Godot for its C# integration, Unity asset portability, easy lightweight fast editor. It would be ideal if you slowly start trying to do the same and eventually create some video on the journey that can help us technically as you are a super teacher.
its not as hard. as long as you are below the earnings threshhold you should be fine for now
Its not about the money.
What you have to consider is that Unity is completely overleveraged. They're 3 billion dollars in debt. They over-paid for IronSource which cost Unity 4 billion dollars. Their P/E is in the negative which means they're bleeding money. And their total liabilities are 4 billion dollars. In 2021, Unity had no debt and 1.5 billion dollars in revenue. In just two years, John Riccitiello did a total pump-n-dump.
Sorry to ear that i completely understand your décision but this my last view here, good Luck for your futur game.... 👍 i liked Really mush your contents but today unity is not my engine any more....
i Wish you luck! But for me, I am done with unity
I’m staying with Unity, just chill a bit and let’s wait updates of the policy 😉
I'm so hoping we have a bit more info by the end of the week. 🤞
Subscribed. I’m glad to see you actually putting thought into this and not simply joining the panicked chorus of doomsayers. I really hope Unity listens to the community and rights this ship. Hopefully they’ve learned from this fiasco.
You are devs. Quit paying Unity to screw you over and build your own software solutions. Whether that is open source or some proprietary commercial product is up to you.
ChatGPT can port the code over for your current project and save you 90% of that work. Other software exists to port over most of the rest of it in seconds to Unreal or Godot. Yeah, it is extra work. But if you are not willing to even spend one day with a port attempt to see how much work is left, you are hurting yourself from a position of ignorance and fear. Find out how much can be done automatically and then make a decision to stay or not.