RAM 1500 Off-Road 4WD LOCK TEST (With Open Diff's) | Not Really a 4x4...
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2021
- Today we are once again testing my RAM 1500 4WD LOCK off-road. I high center my truck over a little ditch and show how 4x4 Lock doesn't necessarily mean all 4 wheels are going to receive power. I also turn off traction control and show you guys how in this off-road situation it won't make a difference.
Lastly, I revisited the old brake trick and try to use my brake to try and force power to all 4 wheels. I end up actually surprising myself and it seems like it's certainly possible that brake pressure could help you out of a 4x4 stuck condition off-road. Now this is just one real world off-road example. when I was in the snow and attempted to use brake pressure to help me out of a stuck situation when in 4WD LOCK it didn't help.
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I wanted to visit this topic with my RAM 1500 because first of all you guys seem to like this stuff. Secondly, because the wording RAM uses such as "4WD LOCK" it seems to deceive a lot of folks. In reality, this simply is 4 HIGH. The only thing that is locked is the transfer case. Meaning that in most situations only 2 wheels will be receiving power unless you have some kind of Limited Slip Differential or Locking differential in either or both front and rear differentials. This high center test is really good visually, showing how torque takes the path of least resistance and how only 2 wheels will receive power.
This has NOTHING to do with RAM being a bad truck. Any manufacturer would have the exact same results with two open differentials. If this truck had just one locker, this small obstacle would be a walk in the park for this truck.
So hopefully you guys learned and thing or two and I'm happy that the brake trick showed up success because everyone talks about how it has helped them get their trucks unstuck.
Hopefully you guys liked the video!
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Take this from a 64 year old man, you are not high centered, high center is when your frame and transfer case is sitting on the ground, with all four tires are off the ground. If you can't drive a 4x4 with open diffs offroad you need to stay home. Learning to use a truck with open diffs will make you a better driver when you step up to lockers.
Ya my terminology was wrong but you got what i was saying. Open diffs are terrible off road.
@@TheGettyAdventures No there not, you can alot of places with open diffs an finest.Learn how your vehicle handles offroad before you op for all the latest lockers. If you don't know your vehicle and you engage your rear lockers it can put you in a ditch faster than an open diff.
Here’s the perfect example of the old guy you can’t teach new tricks. “Watch out sonny, let me show you how we did things before there were lockers!”. Open diffs suck! It’s why hardcore wheelers have them in their rock crawling rigs. Modulating traction with brakes is an easier way to snap and axle.
@@randyedwards6702 you are totally right I have noticed that this dude that just pops up on my feed does not know how to operate a 4x4 he didn’t even realize how he was stuck in the snow 🤦♂️. It’s clear from his reviews that he does not know what he talking about and likes to bash a rams in particular I think he is getting paid to do so. And these trucks comes with option for again particular use 🤦♂️ which you have to buy the package. Common knowledge traction control is ONLY for when your driving to help maneuver the vehicle properly. I’m not going to go into detail Randy your right and these young bucks are still wet behind the ears.
From the manual:
ESC Full Off - 4WD LOW
This mode is intended for off-road use when ESC stability features and torque reduction could
inhibit vehicle maneuverability due to trail conditions. This mode is entered WHEN THE VEHICLE
IS STOPPED, the engine is running, in neutral and by pressing and holding the “Traction Control”
switch for five seconds . After five seconds, the “ESC Off” message will appear in the odometer.
ESC. TCS and Torque Reduction features are turned off until the vehicle reaches a speed of 40 mph.
At 40 mph the system returns to “Partial Off” mode. The “limited slip” feature is not turned off.
So the truck has an offroad mode when you go into 4WD LOW and hold Traction Control for 5 seconds. The "brake locking differential" or "limited slip" traction control functions more aggressively to get you unstuck in situations such as this.
You should know that 4WD High is for higher speeds and 4WD Low is for off road obstacles and situations where you're stuck or are likely to get stuck. ua-cam.com/video/dfcDJpnBGPE/v-deo.html 22 seconds in you can clearly see the front right wheel get braked and the truck is able to climb out of a situation like yours with ease. Instead of all these UA-cam vids you could have just read the manual.
ESC needs to be off 👀
@@toviyyahjudah6828 yeah most 4x4's require traction control off for the off road mode to kick in in 4x4 low. In Nissan going into 4x4 low it automatically disables traction control, RAM just has an extra step.
Also it doesn't work in 4x4 high, because 4x4 high is not for when you're stuck off road.
Well I learned something. Thank you.
So do you want a lsd for the rear and the front? So both wheels will turn equally no matter what? If so do they use the same lsd?
That's the classic cross-axle scenario. With open diffs, power goes to the wheel with least resistance and that wheel just spins.Great topic ! I've addressed the same issue to my followers.
Such a good example to help folks understand how an open diff works off road!
It's actually because open diffs have equal torque to both wheels. The spinning wheel has little to no torque, the other does not either.
@@russtomas4461 that's because you need resistance (traction) in order for torque to be applied. This is why riding the brakes a touch works wonders.
Jeep does this with their "BLD" break lock differential. It's open diffs but the way they use traction control and the abs is awesome
@@JJsGA I am aware why it is.
@@russtomas4461 I know, was merely adding to your point is all
I have front and rear lockers in my Jeep, but why can't they use the ABS system to apply a little brake only to the faster spinning wheels to get some power to the wheel with traction and alternate as needed? Is that was Toyota does with their crawl control?
Love the videos! Keep them coming.
thank you!
im pissed bought a 16 ram 1500 limited.... ends up having both open diffs... what is the point!!!!
Good video I had a 2014 ram 1500 with both open axle front and back I hate it so I ordered a 2018 ram 1500 with a rear posi it helps so now I'm building a 1998 5.9l limited ZJ with front and rear locker
Thank you for making a follow up video on this, its great data. Are you considering getting an LSD through mopar and doing the same tests? Would love to see it
I've really wanted to put an eaton true trak torson style diff in the rear. so hopefully sooner then later i can make some comparison videos.
A good friend of mine has the same truck and I believe he has the factory LSD so maybe i'll try and get him out here to do a cool comparison!
@@TheGettyAdventures Aftermarket LSD vs factory would make a great side by side test! I have a 2020 Warlock with your current drivetrain setup, so these videos are like crack to me haha. I might be tempted to go with the factory option over if the Eaton if the Eaton voids the stock warranty, or makes getting its warranty serviced a big hassle compared to taking it to the dealership for service. But i would definitely consider getting an Eaton if it out performs the OEM LSD. Maybe reach out to Eaton and see if they want to sponsor a video showcasing how there lsd is better! Either way, great stuff and good luck with your videos!
@@ClickBoom290 thank you sir! My truck is at the 80k mark so its getting close to the end of my warranty. the eaton torsen diff is pretty bullet proof. probably the strongest LSD on the market. acts more like a locker then a LSD in my opinion but do your own research because both are great options!
I've used partially engaging the parking brake to fool the rear axle into pulling out of the one wheelie peelie trap. This only works on mechanical parking brakes that are properly adjusted.
2015 Jeep grand Ch summit... it has a dial for snow, rock, sand, etc.... buying a 23 ram limited that only has auto and 4wH/L... what’s the difference between those trannys? JGC works really nice in the snow, the 50/50 split is great.........will the truck suck? Or is it same thing? Same company anyways, why wouldn’t they use the same tech?
My new fav channel ;) Thanks Alex
happy you are liking it!
My Honda rancher was the same way so was my 01 ram. Just a touch of brake and off ya go. Great video man.
thank you sir! ya it did seem like a little brake helped pull the truck through.
@@TheGettyAdventures yeah it’s pretty strange the way that works too but it’s got me out of a few jams lol
great video. I was just telling someone the other day about the brake trick.
It did seem to help in this situation!
So I pretty much have a kinda 4 wheel drive. And of I was in that situation is be moving a little faster because im not rock climbing I'm trying not to get stuck. Did you put any lockers in your rig. My truck looks exactly like yours minus the mud flaps.
Exactly this truck would of easily gotten through this "obstacle". But if there would have been snow or ice or even some mud maybe not. I was just trying to show that 4WD doesn't mean all 4 wheels are getting power. unless you obviously have lockers or a limited slip set lol
I was going to throw an Eaton trutrac in the rear on my truck but I'm just over 90,000 and I figured I'd wait until my warranty is up before I rip open the diff.
Is this truck equipped with the anti spin rear diff? My ram had it but it was essentially a LSD.
No it is not. If my truck had the factory LSD it would of walk over this ditch like nothing was there. those make a big difference. you should be happy you have one!
@@TheGettyAdventures4x4 without at least an LSD should be criminal
@@cugs17 It honestly should be. my first truck came with a g80 locker and I figured I could go without one when I bought this truck. Boy was I wrong!
Very interested 👌
Keep going
Thank you sir!
You applied foot brake when you unstuck it right?
shouldnt you have the (BLD) brake limited differential??? did you pull a fuse or something? because BLD should be working. my ram pulls out of cross axle super easy once that kicks in.
Is long as you hit with a little bit of speed your roll right through it that's what I do with mine and I have a 2011 That's been through hell and back Not sure which parts of it are coming back though lol
Have you made a video same test but 4 low? I just got my truck trying to find out the limitations of it thanks again bad ass videos lot of help on info
I have not really done a specific test for 4 low. I really should because a lot of people are interested in the differences. My personal belief is that it wont make a difference. 4 low is simply a different gear range, it wont change how power is distributed to each individual wheel. but it would be an interesting video!
I will look foraward to that video thanks for info...
how did you get out of the ditch between your 3 tests?
well I really wasn't stuck. a little more speed and my truck pulled out fine. I just wanted to show how limiting open differentials are.
Keep in mind the 4Lock mode has less brake traction control than the 4LOW selection. This maneuver or other rock crawl maneuvers would be accomplished in 4LOW.
100% correct. I was just trying to use this as an example of why 4wd lock really isn't what most people think it is.
@@TheGettyAdventures i sure wish it was what most people think
This is exactly what Mitsubishi AWC does, when wheel slip and a static wheel is detected the ABS comes in to give a bit of braking to allow the static wheel to drive. I just figured this is how all electronic AWD systems work 🤔. The effect behind the wheel is when you're spinning for grip the car will then drop back for a split second as ABS is engaged and as long as you keep the power consistent and have enough mechanical tyre grip the car will then crawl forward as the ABS releases.
That is the idea behind Traction Control, however some companies have more in depth types of traction control, I know like Toyota was a pretty wicked system. it seem for this truck at least traction control works well when I'm driving on the road. tend to limit me sliding around the snow but in situations like this where you would need a pretty significant amount of brake pressure it just doesn't help.
So Mitsubishi has probably designed a specific type of traction control that has the ability to fully lock up a wheel with brake pressure. you would think everybody would do this but i guess they don't
@@TheGettyAdventures For sure not all electronic AWD systems are born equal. I think Toyota, Mitsubishi and Subaru are fairly innovative with their systems.
Can you do more brake modulation tests?
is Open Diff the default for all vehicles, even such as a Toyota Corolla?
Yes open diff are usually the default. they make driving on normal road surfaces seamless and comfortable. so a vehicle like a Toyota corolla has no need for anything but an open diff because it's not meant to be put in off road situations.
Open diffs shouldn't even be a thing anymore. Make LSD's standard and they'll be cheaper vs still trying to engineer/manufacture/source parts for both
Just letting you know A limited slip differential eventually becomes a open differential if not maintained and maintenance
It can also be a problem in the snow and ice. Thats why most modern trucks have locking diffs up to a certain speed than open...as opposed to limited slip.
Why does reverse work in this scenario?
Locking transfer case and open diffs with EDL ( computer uses the brakes to transfer power) is ideal for MOST situations and drivers of every skill level. In heavy rock crawling it may not be strong enough and need physical lockers.
Mopar traction control system is trash. Abruptly taking the throttle away when you loose traction is the WORST thing you can do in a traction loss situation. (from a life long Mopar guy)
agreed, the traction control system seems to just try and keep the wheels from spinning and tried to keep you on the road. I've heard Toyota makes a great system.
In the case of this truck It's not the fault of the Mopar traction control, it's the crappy transfer case, BW44-45. The clutches on that one like to slip a lot and it results in something horrible 4wheeling. 4th gen RAM 1500's were offerered with 2 transfer cases, partime NV243 and full time NV246, then a little later those were changed in favor of a BW44-44 part time and 44-45 full time. A truck equipped with the BW44-44 will jump that rut without much drama. the 44-45 will give those bad results. 4th gen RAM 1500's are equipped with the BLDS system, same system used in the Jeep JK's and UP since 2007. It was/is in those models and up. it's completely silent and you don't have to press any buttons for it to activate. It's all electronic and uses the brakes to transfer power to wheel that needs it. People will know if they have chitty 44-45 in their 4th gen RAM 1500 because the transfer case switch will have the 4WD Auto option. The 44-44 doesn't have a full time 4wd auto, is just 2hi, 4lock and 4lo. it's the normal part time trasnfer case. That one makes this truck behave as it should instead of that crappy show we see in this video.
@@panasrsm that’s good to know. I have a 2019 classic with no 4wd auto option. Just 4 lock, 4low, 2wd
@@bjornironsides6474 That's the good transfer case. This is my 14 RAM 1500 truck on 37's with the BW44-44 TC and going uphill with ruts ua-cam.com/video/L-5JtOFRfVg/v-deo.html
Is 4wd lock same as 4H?
When you backed up you also carried just a tad of forward momentum that also would aide in this situation.
That wasn't done in the first two test , and that momentum did help.
100% when I did look at the footage It was a mistake by me. It without a doubt helped but either way I thought it was interesting! maybe the brake trick helped
Hey were did you get your mud flaps?
Nanaimo dodge dealer. 90 bucks a pair! Can't beat it
I run general grabber apt tires and they are awesome
I've heard great things about them!
Probably an ignorant question, but If the purpose of traction control is to apply more power the the wheel that isn't spinning, then why didn't it work? I would assume that that's exactly the situation that traction control would shine
So traction control applies brake pressure to the spinning wheel on the axle. basically what that does is tries to make the spinning wheel harder to turn then the wheel with all the weight and traction. because torque takes the path of least resistance so if the wheel in the air that is spinning has a lot of brake pressure applied to it now making it the harder wheel to turn, power will be forced to the wheel with all the traction.
Now Rams traction control can only do so much it really isn't designed to apply enough brake pressure for situations like that. it will help in situation on the road in slippery conditions and help keep you from sliding off the road.
Toyota however has a really cool traction control system that does in fact work like this and can essential lock up the axle by simply applying the right amount of brake pressure to each wheel.
They actually should have called anti spin as it will apply the brake to a spinning wheel to slowing down till it stops spinning more than the opposite wheel and then your vehicle will travel straight . Hope this helps
TFL has a Ram slip test video on YT that shows after a few seconds of constant low throttle, the truck is able to walk off of rollers under 3/4 wheels. Traction control automatically applied the brake to the spinning wheel (after some time). It was actually pretty impressive. I’m wondering if you just needed to run it a little longer to see if it would kick in? Obviously lockers win.
Thank you for making an honest video about what is truly 4x4 and what is not. I happen to live in Northern Wisconsin and I drive a 2017 Honda Ridgeline RTL-T AWD. I take a lot of crap for it being "not a real truck" and not having 4wd, and yet for the past 3 years I have pulled a minimum of 2 mid-size or half ton trucks that are supposedly "4x4" out of the ditch in winter when their open diffs leave them stranded and my AWD performs. I do acknowledge I upgraded my tires to Falken Wildpeak AT3W tires that are snow rated tires.
Ridgeline is not a real truck, and I'm betting the trucks you pulled out where dodge
@@coltonsstuff17 if the dodge had a locker, it wouldn't have gotten stuck. The ridgeline can "lock" the rear.
It’s still not a real truck lol.
Lol ridgeline
The brake thing works but not always if it's just the rear or in sand I use the hand brake in my xj
Are you going to instal a locker to your ram if so witch one and why you chose it
I've been wanting to throw in an eaton trutrac in the rear for a while. I would love to throw on in the front also but the rear is a much easier install. with the front ends not being a solid axle is makes the install somewhat time consuming. and obviously most of the time you are in 2wd drive powering the rear end so if you do encounter a slippery condition at least the rear will be able to lock and provide good traction.
@@TheGettyAdventures thats great i hope we could u instaling it one day. Been trying catch up with all your videos. Also hope u throw one or two videos of your trips up the mountains agin
@@edgaracazares4056 I was trying to order a eaton trutrac in the winter but with covid the shipping was stupid up here in Canada. So now that my ram is almost out of warranty I'd like to re visit that and see if I can get one!
The truck is looking great
haha thank you
The left rear tire stopped spinning when the front right gained the same traction as the front left. That rear axle was still pretty much useless.
potentially, One thing I would say is that the rear axle can't stop power from going to it. So in theory one wheel must have power going to it.
It's a great question because I thought about it when I saw the footage too. Obviously the torque converter can take up engine power and have the ability to not turn the wheels. but the T-case is after the transmission and if the Transfer case is locked there should be a 50/50 split of engine power. so if the front wheels are turning there must be power going to the rear wheels. and with an open diff at least one of those wheel must receive power.
Now I don't personally work on these trucks nor have I ripped one apart but if there is power exiting the transfer case unless you snap an axle or blow up a diff that power has to be transfer to the wheels.
That's my understanding, hopefully that makes sense. But I've certainly been wrong before lol!
Interesting mine came with the anti spin diff I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic big horn on a 4 inch bds lift running nitto ridge grapplers 35x12.5
anti spin diff is a type of limited slip but they work well! it probably makes a big difference
You made a very good video I just have 2 things to add
1 You are never high centred you are crossed up that is the technical off roading term
2 Using recovery board/ maxtrax always helps to get some extra distance off the ground and get some traction more than trying to do Wheel braking Which as you said in the video Cam hurt your axles
Well you learn something everyday! my apologies on the terminology. and yes I was a little concerned about breaking something which is why I did go nuts spinning the tires.
I do have a set of traction boards which if I laid across the ditch would certainly help!
@@TheGettyAdventures Yeah no worries about the terminology I don't know all of it either so we are all learning is always a good thing
Good video. I stopped the purchase of my dodge 1500 ram after watching your video. Here I come Rubicon
The brake truck only works with some version of a limited slip.. all it does it activated the limited slip which normally doesn’t activate when having 0 traction to a wheel..
It’s much less a jeep thing then an old school 4wd trick. It just happens that lot of old school guys venture into Jeeps at some part and that knowledge is transferred to newer jeep owners.
You’ll actually see a lot of semi trucks, jobsite dumpster trucks, etc use this technique on non paced job sites.. it works even better with them cause the rear 2 axles are limited slip but when lossinf traction it doesn’t drop to 1 wheel per axle or actually drops to just one wheel out of the 4..
Lot of 6x6 dump trucks also require this same brake application technique in order to actually get true 6x6 drive function.. wo it it’s essentially just a 4x4 with 6 wheels and limited slip..
This is also very handy in front wheel drive vehicles as most of them have some form of limited slip by nature to help with torque steer..
This is 100x better with gear driven limited slips vs the viscous ones when are more common in a typical pickup.. but with practice and time with that vehicle to find the right amount of brake application needed it does work.. hi is basically how most older awd systems work in a way..
But if you have helical gear driven limited slip like say a tru trac.. this is as good as having a locker and takes so little brake imput to activate compared to the viscous crostini types.. which even still don’t achieve a full power transfer but it will get you maybe 20% power to the wheel wit traction. It’s also wheel speed sensitive. It works better when applied into something with some speed rather then as a get unstuck gimmick but it will work there to it just iffy cause you need to get enough wheel speed with brakes applied enough to activate and in something like say sand.. all your doing is digging down while waiting to engage and by then you may be in a worse senario
Despite everyone else in the comments being an absolute self proclaimed expert... Thanks for doing these videos. Not a lot of info out there for the rams.
Lol Thank you sir! appreciate it
Anything that is labeled a 4x4 should have a locking diff option.
you would think manufactures would want locking diffs in their products with 4x4's. Ram didn't even have a factory option for lockers in the 4th gen trucks. you couldn't even pay for it if you wanted it lol
Do you have the limited slip diff?
nope, just two open diffs
Interesting. I always thought my 2011 Grand Cherokee Overland was a pooper, as this year no longer has rear beam axles.. Then I took it offroading and it blipped right up a hill just like this one right here, no 4WD Low needed. Firsr time I ever came to appreciate these electric 4WD stuff even though my Jeep is less of a Mopar except for the 5.7 engine
Lots of info in the comments, and also I'd like to add - You have to apply throttle longer and harder for systems to sense it's bad enough to lock down on one side and throw power to the other. You were being far too gentle. Also I learned from pulling boats out on slick boat ramps, you push firmly on the brake and then apply throttle to get the engine up to medium/high rpm and hold it there. Then slowly release brake pressure until the engine overpowers the brakes. It'll overpower them equally, putting down a healthy amount of power like a locked diff because you are at strong rpms. Most people do it too gently, using only a little bit of throttle, and that's not enough torque to do anything much when it finally and barely overpowers the brakes. You gotta commit!
Axle snap? How never seen that with that little of flex😂.
I swapped out my F150 diffs to Detroit TruTrac in the rear and an Eaton E locker in the front. Makes a night and day difference and it's really not that expensive.
That is the exact combo I want. how do you like the trutrac in the back. I hear it has great drivability for being such an aggressive LSD
@@TheGettyAdventures I love it.
You don't even really notice it much on the street. There's been a few times when it was raining or snowing where I'd give it some gas out of a corner and the back end would definitely slide out more (like a locked rear end does) then the factory diffs would allow but it's pretty predictable.
The Eaton in the front is fantastic too. The locking/unlocking is seamless.
I thought about doing the trutrac in the front too but figured I'd like a fully independent selectable locker there instead and wanted a proper LSD in the rear full time
At the time when I did them a few years back, a shop got me a great deal on the parts (nearly cost) and a local 4x4 shop did the installs for me AND they bought my old diffs from me to offset my install price. So the install front and rear only cost me $250 Canadian (like 175USD)
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Jesus that's a great price on labor. Totally on the same page as you, I'd want a fully open diff in the front to keep a decent turning radius. but the ability to fully lock it up when you are really deep into the shit
as with the rear I'd want a more automatic lock up which is exactly what a truetrac does. very jealous of your set up, makes me want to finally drop some money and just get it done lol
@@TheGettyAdventures You won't regret it if you do! It's turns the truck into a beast. Besides a good suspension upgrade it's the best money you can spend if you do any off-road driving!
I always thought a good compromise is locking center with Torsen front and rear diffs. Not as capable as locking on all three, but damn close and easier to live with.
Get you the Ram Rebel with rear locking axel, electronic swaybar disconnect and stock 2 inch lift.
Hoping to review one soon!
The rebel doesn't have a front sway bar disconnect... It's IFS
The ram power wagon has the sway bar disconnect.
@@rambo8218 what's ifs?
@@ish2751 independent front suspension... IFS
A rear locker can make a world of difference
I noticed you didn’t try using 4wd low. Would that have made a difference?
Nope. It would just do the same thing but slower. I got myself stuck in a creekbed last Sunday and tried it. Nothing.
I have a 2011 ram outdoorsman, btw.
Что-то я не понял блокировки что не сработали, или все эти блокировки ерунда?
this video is about a guy who didn't read the manual 😂, but I enjoy ur vids anyway
What year is that truck? It doesn't have brake based traction control?
Applying the brakes should definitely help. You actually are four-wheel drive if you're on perfectly flat land with the same traction on all four wheels you actually are getting power to all four wheels even with open differentials.
All of that said there is not a single modern Jeep out there that would have any trouble at all with this situation. Even if I have my rear locker turned off and I have two wheels in the air I am still going to move forward because my brake base traction control make sure the power goes where it needs to. I also have a power transfer unit that will send the power front and rear as it needs also. So if I'm slipping more in the front then in the rear or vice versa it will send the power to the other side front and rear also. My Jeep actually has the ability to send 100% of the power to the rear even though it's a front-wheel drive based vehicle.
Power to least resistance? Why is that? It seems the opposite of what you need.
It's not even an open diff. At least with my 2011 sport. It's got a limited slip so if you floor it it locks up. I'd be able to make it over that no problem. Even being stock height.
Damm youtube, I sincere comment not uploaded...
Hey from Korea, I drive (daily base) almost identical of yours. Ram 1500 5.7 hemi quad cab... and I'm pretty sure she has 3.21 open diff,(just guess) but mine has 45 transfer case, which I didn't know the code till you tongue twisted forty four... yeap, mine has no 4WD auto. So do you think of the difference of your truck and mine in terms of 4WD lock?
Some trucks have 4WD high, and I have been wondering about the difference but folks in RamForum said there is no difference but just sticker. Disappointing..
I have 2014 model Express, so more out dated.. older dash and not fancy like your big horn or Laramie but it's good enough to me. It's just frustrating that I even don't know the axle ratio and LSD or not on my truck. I got it as 2nd car and there is barely information about American pickups here.
BTW, how is it going with the Eaton locker you ordered in the previous video? I will be interested if yours works fine.
Forgot to mention that I really appreciate your passion and effort doing the best with the given resource which is a decent truck but not off-road worthy. Thank you.
There is a transfer case harness sold for 200$ USD on Facebook that forces the lock somehow, I think the how is explained on their page. It's manually switched on and off and is supposed to be run 20-30 minutes with 5-10 minutes break inbetween. Look up black fox industries on Facebook.
I will not be getting this for two reasons. 1. I almost never go in off-road or snow that makes me need this and 2. Anything I buy from the US or Canada ends up costing 30-50% more due to shipping PLUS customs fee, so those two reasons combined make this absolutely not worth it for me, but I really hope you find this interesting and worth it because I would LOVE to see a video with that harness, the 4wd lock forced doing this EXACT SAME TEST as shown in this video. Maybe also a bit on how simple the install was (supposed to be plug and play).
Also, the reason I found this harness is because of the videos you made on the BW44-44 and 44-45 transfer cases.
I've also found a thread on swapping the 44-44 to the 44-45 (I won't be doing this either): www.ramforum.com/threads/bw-44-44-to-bw-44-45-swap.132570/
the only reason I may actually buy that harness is make a video on it. would be an awesome thing to compare before and after!
But I can tell you it wont make a single difference on this test. that controls the transfer case. and it will ensure power is going to both the front and rear axles at all times. but the differentials are what splits that power to each wheel. you need locking differentials to have all 4 wheels getting power. if not only 2 wheels will spin no matter what the transfer case is doing.
I appreciate the comment! and it would be a really cool video to make, Ill look into purchasing the harness!
@@TheGettyAdventures ohhh, I see. Learned something new then :) but, in that case, I hope you still make a video on that harness and that you at least make the money back on that video.
I can’t believe Chrysluh sent it out with out a rear locker especially with a Hemi! Almost standard equipment with all brands
Been this way for years. Ya have a fancy 2wd why the industry keeps doing this I can't figure out.
I have zero idea. Well actually no it's probably to have the best "on road" drivability and secondly for cost.
Would be cool to see a manufacture come out and offer like an E-locker as stock in all rear ends. could even use it as an advertising campaign claiming their trucks come standard with the most off road performance.
@@TheGettyAdventures hey, my 19 f150 has an electric locking rear diff. Stock FYI
Don’t use the tap the brake trick on these trucks! Great way to snap off the front differential output shafts. Did it once on my 08’ Dodge Ram 1500. Granted, I have slightly oversized tires, and was buried sideways in a snow drift.
Thats what the trac control is suppose to do,it works in my tacoma
Toyota has a really cool Traction control system, it can actively apply brake pressure to whatever wheel is slipping and force power to all wheels. It's a really awesome system and wonder why other manufacturers don't do the same thing.
@@TheGettyAdventures They absolutely do. It uses the abs system. Hell my 2005 Titan had blsd.
@@russtomas4461 I really want to try out the system because everybody mentions how awesome it is.
my buddy has a Tacoma so I'll have to get him out here to have a go!
I’m almost positive in 4low these trucks have lockers. I have a 14 Ram and my diffs lock.
No
Its not diff lock , its electronically controlled by abs & traction called break locking or something
What about selecting 4WD Low in this same scenario
the principle would remain the same. the two wheels that are both elevated would still receive all the power even in 4 low.
Now if this was real and I was actually stuck, Yes 4 low has a higher chance of pulling you out in a situation like this just because of the better wheel control and more torque. but if both those wheel remained elevated and you couldn't rock out of that spot 4 low wouldn't help.
Differentials transfer torque 50/50. So the max torque to any tire in 4wd is based on the tire with the LEAST traction, which if one is in the air is to say no torque goes anywhere.
A 4wd has 3 diffs, Front, Rear and Center, so let's say I am stuck and one tire in the rear has only enough traction to handle 20lbs of torque before spinning/slipping. The 50/50 principle means that both tires on that axle can only get 20lbs of torque then, and logically, the same 20lbs is the max sent to the front tires.
Limited slip diffs use spring loaded clutch packs to mitigate this as the spinning of a tire will engage the clutch and provide some additional resistance, allowing for more torque to the wheels.
The best case is the Torsen differential, that uses a unique worm gear set to transfer torque on a ratio between the two outputs, commonly 3:1 or 4:1. So in the example above with a Torsen, the wheel on the same axle as the one with only grip for 20lbs would receive 3 or 4 times the torque as the limited wheel, giving you 60-80 lbs of torque to that wheel for a total of 80-100lbs of torque to that axle to drive forward with. Usually the Center diff is not Torsen, but assuming the Front is as well, then you would get that much torque to the front axle as well, and not be stuck. If you have a wheel in the air, like in this video, even a slightly application of brake with a Torsen diff will result in more than adequate drive torque to get moving.
Of course the ultimate system is locking diffs, but those are expensive, require more maintenance, and are best left to hardcore off-roaders. I think the best compromise is Torsen front and rear with a locking center. Low maintenance and great ability to get un-stuck.
@@jg8263 thoroughly and excellently explained sir. really appreciate you taking the time to explain that.
@@TheGettyAdventures thank you. It helps that I went to college for mechanical engineering. That said, EngineeringExplained here on UA-cam has an excellent video on the subject, from a technical/engineering aspect, that pairs nicely with your practical demo in this video.
so does ram suck?
Can you try in 4 low?
I thought about trying in 4 low, but I was worried about snapping an axle and I'm sure as you know in 4 low you have 3 times more torque going through your axles.
It may have made a difference just because of the added torque and control. But essentially if 2 wheels are elevated with open differentials it still wont matter. the wheels in the air will spin in 4 low or 4 high.
@@TheGettyAdventures I’ve heard in the past that 4 low locks it up or something
That's why I got the Power Wagon walk right out of it no issues!
Oh god ya. A front and rear locker would walk over this like nothing was even there! absolute worst case you bring out the winch lol
2020?
I have LSD is that going to make the difference in this situation?
Absolutely! Now it is not a locker so there is only going to be so much power transferred to the wheel with all the traction. and the LSD may have issues when one wheel is fully in the air. but it will give you a much better change of getting out of something like this.
It dose I have 3.92s with limited slip and my wheels lock when I step on it the only thing is with lsd is it needs to slip first before it locks up hence why a air or electronic locker is better
@@adrianlecuyer ya exactly the LSD will have some slip and if you really get stuck deep it may not turn both wheels because there is too much pressure on the clutches. but for most situations the LSD works great!
Glad I got limited slip in my rear diff
The key to off-roading is trying to catch traction… everybody gets stuck but you are trying to get stuck
i'm assuming this truck has the 4wd Auto transfer case (44-44). I believe the BLDS works much better on the more traditional 44-55 TC.
yeah i heard a dude at a boat ramp say apply brake to a cat who was spinning bad w 2wd pulling a 8k boat. out of the hole
An interesting video that I came across whilst researching Dodge Ram 4x4 systems. However in this cross-axle scenario you were in, I have to make a few comments on what you said which I disagree with. Firstly you do not want to make the wheels with the most traction spin, you want them to drive and turn. The wheels with no or limited traction are spinning and your going no where. The Dodge Ram traction control is quite obviously rubbish! if you watch a video of a Range Rover Evoque in a cross axle scenario with the tyres off the road with the traction control switched on it would drive straight through/out with open diffs without hesitation. The traction control is stopping the free wheel rotating and therefore drive has to be transferred to the wheel with the most grip through the diff. This using your foot brake again is what you are achieving. By restricting the speed/rotation of the freewheels it will transfer the drive to the wheel with the most traction just not as effectively as a good traction control system such as the range rover system. There are a number of videos where the ram owner used the E-brake/hand brake to again reduce the speed of the spinning/free wheel on the back axle to make the diff drive the wheel with traction. A locking differential is not necessary with an effective traction control using the ABS braking system and speed sensors on each wheel for the type of terrain you are showing, a LSD in the rear would post probably allowed you to drive straight through the cross-axle piece you showed.
For starters the truck is not high centered.
Ppl get mad when I tell them there 4x4 truck is actually 2x4 mine has LSD so I got 3x4 lol
The old 3x4! gotta love it
It's still a 4x4 just doesn't have diffs meant for anything but the road
Why in the hell would want an open differential on a 4x4 vehicle? HD automatic locking differential is the only way to go. True 4x4.
Because for 90% of situations other than extreme offroading a locking differential is pointless.
so the ram sucks for off road ?
MY Ram is not the best truck for off-road. just depends on how you get your truck set up from factory. some of the these trucks come with a posi in the rear. the newest generation comes with an optional factory locker in the rear which makes a huge difference
I would have applied the brake and the gas and got out of the situation. Sometimes you gotta be smarter than what your working with. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Time to upgrade to a power wagon
Watching your videos has proven one thing - RAM is selling junk. As I learn this 4wd auto is barely a 4wd, and friction plates, and tap my brakes to maybe work. Thanks for these demonstrations, wish I'd even thought of this being an issue before getting a msrp 76,790 junk. But i sure thought in your snow video you showed yes, it is a solid 4wd with skid and traction off. Guess I'll stay on the asphault. What happens in just 4wd auto? I don't rrcall seeing you use that in the snow or this muddy road. Enjoy your good camera work and examples.
My old truck has posi traction wouldn’t have even needed 4x4 lol old technology you have my friend. Dodge never could figure off roads out praise Toyota even though I don’t like the
Open diffs are straight up pointless
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Looks like Mt.Prevost..
Yes sir!
@@TheGettyAdventures sweet!! Was just up there. Nice to see a local guy on here!
Just go faster! It will work that's just as shallow as my driveway.....
Its been said before and will be said again, put it in 4 LOW!! Then turn off the TC and ESC you proved this concept before in the snow. 4 lock is for highway driving not offroading
I thought about 4 LOW but I was kind of worried about snapping an axle. there was a lot of flex and strain on the driveline and I'm sure as you know in 4 LOW you have over 3 times more torque flowing through your axles.
Now 4 low may have helped hear just because of the greater torque and wheel control. However, the priceable remains the same, with 2 open differentials only 2 wheels will receive the majority of power. TC on or off it wont matter. 4 low or 4 high it wont matter. It's the mechanical limitation of the differentials themselves.
Now when I tied my truck to the tree lol I was testing to see if I was getting full power to the front driveshaft. and when the ESC was ON It inhibited the front driveshaft from getting power at times. With ESC OFF the front axle received full power (which is what we wanted to see).
The TC and ESC system work on locking up the transfer case. 4 High and 4 LOW also only impact the transfer case. but they all have essentially no impact on what happens in the differentials. You can go under your truck and lock at your rear diff. there are no wires or air lines. you'll find your driveshaft going in and 2 axles going out the sides (maybe a breather tube also). so everything that happens in there is purely mechanical and whatever 4x4 system you are in it will result in only 2 wheels of the 4 receiving power (for the most part)
If you want all 4 wheels to spin you need a locking T case, front locking diff and rear locking diff. Kinda confusing stuff but hopefully that helps or makes sense
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Buy a chevy zr2 factory front and rear differential locks, problem solved !!
Sounds like the ZR2 is a pretty awesome set up. would love to try it out!
Buy an fx4 an actually be able to haul stuff and have a locker
@@trudeaumustgo1920 Lol first of all love the name sir! and yaa those E-lockers are pretty sick. which I had one to be honest
All I need to do is reach down,an hit the diff lock button, on my yota,,,an I'm on my way,,dodge need to change that for sure
seriously having just a single locking diff would make such a difference in a situation like this!. I do believe finally on the newer fifth gen rams they have an e-locker option.
...butttt it’s a “yota”😅
Hold traction control button for 10 seconds all four wheels will pull
that is exactly what I did. All that does is help fully lock up the transfer case. does nothing to your differentials.
My 2019 1500 might have been different than yours it worked for me .I got a 2500 last week and it doesn't lock some kind of dynamic braking system
Idk about these but TRX has front open diff with break traction control in front, so are we sure that in some mode there is no break traction sys in regular 4x4 Rams without lsd?
@@bsranger40 Interesting! is your 2019 a fifth gen truck ? it could very well have a more complex traction control system that could actually help in this situation
@@tallll70 It could very well have a system like that, I'm not as familiar with the 5th gen Rams. But it would make a lot of sense for that TRX to have something like that!
Turn off traction control. All 4 of my 2020 ram tires grab and turn. turn no problem.
But my traction control was off... ( as well as my ESC system)
Sounds like something is wrong... I keep trying the things you do with my 2020 Laramie. I have good holes and ditches with plenty of mud here in Louisiana... I 2 wheeled about a 3 foot ditch and stopped it like you did. Slowly went forward and it grabbed immediately, and I did not have the rear wheels locked... I am now curious of the year of your truck and if they made any changes from that year to 2020. Thanks for the video.
@@ThePixMaster do you have the 5th gen truck? or is your a 4th gen like mine?
You can mimic a block but only breaking the free wheel not the loaded one. It’s possible, clever electronic could do that. Obviously on that truck it’s not. Actually it’s pathetic
That's because jeeps are their own class of vehicle
If you snap an axle, it's junk to start with. And all the traction in the world dont matter.
Hold in the 4 wheel lock button until you hear a beep. You're welcome
hear a deep eh I'll have to look into that
4wd high put in nutral hold traction control for 10 sec your welcome