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#2 Jim Marshall | NFL Films | Top 10 Players Not in the Hall of Fame
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2017
- Minnesota Vikings defensive lineman, Jim Marshall, comes in at number 2 on the countdown of the Top 10 Players Not in the Hall of Fame.
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He needs to be in the Hall of Fame like right now
Jim should definitely be in the HOF. The People Eaters aren't complete without him the same way that the Steel Curtain isn't complete without LC Greenwood.
Jim Marshall should have been inducted in the Hall of Fame about 20 or 30 years ago
If Steve mcmichael can get in with 2 pro bowl appearances so can Jim Marshall with the same number of selections
It's a crime that Jim Marshall is not in the HOF.
Derek Ruff you’re dead on correct he was a beast on the defense
❤️ Jim Marshall
But Carl Eller and Alan Page are there
Harvey Martin b4 Marshall
Marshall deserves to be in the HOF
Maybe this year
If running a fumble the wrong way is all that anyone chooses to remember, then why is Jackie Smith in the PFHOF after dropping an easy touchdown pass in no less a game than Super Bowl 13?
Frenchy Fuqua's college coach was right: "People remember the last thing you did."
That wasn't a easy catch that Jackie dropped he was sliding to the ground with no balance when he was trying to catch that ball. Also Dallas defense was terrible in that Super Bowl anyway.
Yea it's a shame he played a great game against Atlanta that year. Basically he and Danny white won the game for dallas.
You are so right
I’m a Raider fan but I still disappointed that Mr. Jim Marshall was still not in the Hall of Fame. Please get him already now!!!!!
The fact that neither Jared Allen or Jim Marshall are in the HOF is a crime. Two of the best defense men that ever played
Jim is hands down the #1 Player not in the hall of fame. The original iron man who lead the dominating purple people eaters but , because of one gaff of a play, is not inducted into the hall of fame. Total crime this hasn't happened yet
Jerry Kramer is easily the # 1 guy NOT in the Hall of Fame. He was on the 50th Anniversary team and still isn't in, the only guy from that team who is not.
@@xaviervega468 Well Kramer is in so now what?
It’s honestly a miracle this dude hasn’t had serious brain damage. Lol. What a phenomenal player.
At the time of his retirement he ranked
THIRD in sacks
FIRST in fumble recoveries
And did what still no one has ever done, or ever will do, play 20 years as a full time starter. Retiring at the age of 42 as a D-lineman FGS.
Jim belongs in HOF plz dont do the same thing you guys did with the Snake
it's not the wrong way fumble that keeps him out. chris russo makes a fair point, as good as the vikings DL was for approx 10yrs or so they had terrible super bowls. they couldn't handle big OL's & teams with elite running games particularly the dolphins, steelers, raiders.
Harry Engel page has more personal achievement than Marshall
Harry Engel eller and page were perennial pro bowlers, all stars marshall wasn't, page was NFL MVP in 1971 as DL..
And there was me thinking that football was a team sport, and that the Vikings lost those Super Bowls on the basis of their performance on BOTH sides of the ball.
Didn't affect the games against the Rams.
This is a stupid argument, why are any 90's Bills players in the HoF? They lost their SBs just as pathetically if not even more than the Purple People Eaters. The Vikings are NOTHING without Marshall.
Sad that most people remember him for his wrong way run he was a a great player and should definitely be in the hall of fame
When they first made this list, Jerry Kramer was #1 not in the hall.
But with kramer's election to the hall in January 2018 makes Marshall the defacto #1 not in the hall
if we are being pedantic, he did win a title - Super Bowl IV was the last of the meetings of champions, and the Minnesota Vikings won the last ever NFL Championship Game (doing so over the Cleveland Browns, I kid you not).
Hoping this is the year they get right 💜 !
I hope
Jim Marshall was in the hospital with pneumonia. Checked himself to play on Sunday. The Vikings won the game and he immediately checked himself back into the hospital.
Just saw a graphic that he would have had an estimated 130.5 Sacks if they were counted at the time, which adds nicely to his case.
@Fries sure, I wasn't suggesting they should have added it to the segment, especially if it did not exist, just that it enforces the argument that he should be in.
Fantastic Defensive player. He's in my HOF.
Personally I think he is number 1 on this list and it is not even close. Pro Football Reference gives Jim Marshall the 5th highest career value score of any defensive lineman in history. Marshall was a dominate force for over a decade. If he had retired in 1972 before ever playing in a Super Bowl he should be in the hall. He was still a starter and an effective player at age 36 when he played in his first Super Bowl. His detractors are saying that a 36 through 39 year old Marshall was not good enough to be in the hall and I would agree with that. But when you take his whole career there is no question, NONE! And by the way Len Dawson you and the Chiefs faced an even older Vikings defensive line two times after that Super Bowl. You had the same game plan run at Marshall and Page because they were old and small. You managed only 73 yards rushing per game and lost miserably both times. Even as old men Marshall and Page kicked your ass!!
I think that the reason he is not already in the hall is because people just can't believe that one defensive line had 3 Hall of Famers. That line was the key to the best defense in history. The 69 and 70 Vikings put together the two best single seasons that a defense ever put up and it is not even close. The 69-76 Vikings were the best defense over an 8 year run of any defense in history although this time they had competition, the 70's Steel Curtain. That Steel Curtain defense has 4 Hall of Famers. Why shouldn't the best defense also have 4. Marshall has the fourth most sacks of anyone from that era. The only three ahead of him are Alan Page, Carl Eller and Deacon Jones all of whom went into the hall early in their eligibility. Marshall is far and away the best player not in the Hall of Fame.
I remember the original list in 2007
1. Jerry Kramer
2. Derrick Thomas
3. Cris Carter
4. Jim Marshall
5. Bob Hayes
6. Ken Stabler
7. Ricky Watters
8. Alex Karras
9. Steve Tasker
10. Ken Anderson
6 of these guys are in the HOF now. But 4 of those 6 weren’t inducted until after they died. Smh.
I felt this video did bring up a fair point. Those Vikings always failed to show up to the big games, and the AFC teams at the time could shut the Purple People Eaters down without much issue. Hard to be seen as a feared defense when your opponent can use brute force alone to overpower you.
Also they fail to bring up Marshal had only has 4 Pro Bowls and 0 First-Team All Pros. The Wrong Way Run isn't the only reason he's not in the hall.
When u mention the viking front four nobody remembers the forth member. I believe his name was gary larsen ? They were good.
Never missed a ball game in 20 years at DE for the Vikings
In what mental universe does Cliff Branch not belong in the Hall? He was one of only 6-7 Raiders to play on all three SB teams, along with Ray Guy, Ted Hendricks, Dave Dalby, and at least two of Steve Sylvester, Mickey Marvin and Henry Lawrence. Branch played at a high level for 14-15 years.
Hey HOF council! Forget the wrong-way run!! Jim played for 20 years without missing a single game! He's worthy to be enshrined in Canton!!
It’s criminal #70 isn’t in Canton. HOF for sure.
Jim Marshall was the best. Marshall was my favorite player of all time.
"Wrong way run" that's all we ever hear about this guy
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Here's something you may not have heard about him. In the wrong way run game,it was Marshalls' sack that caused a fumble that was returned by Carl Eller for a TD, game winning points. Vikings 27-20.
yep he won the game, for them......good call son
You're stupid !
Actually, Marshall no longer has the record for most consecutive games played. Some years back he was passed by a punter. I suppose the punter’s record should have an asterisk beside it.
Nor the most fumbles recovered by a defensive player.
Um.....Brett Favre 297 consecutive starts. No asterisk there, either.
Not sure where Len Dawson gets off saying that the Chiefs gameplan was to run at Marshall, because it wasn’t. Their gameplan was to double team him and Eller so as to prevent them from knocking down passes, while they throw short passes over them to their receivers who were being covered softly by the Vikings DB’s. As for running the run, their leading rusher was WR Frank Pitts who had 39 yards on 3 reverse handoffs.
Jim Marshall absolutely belongs in the HOF I hope it happens when he is still around
One of those guys who you assumed got in 30 years ago. Didn't know he was not in.
God damn it put him in before he passes away. He is a damn fine man.
Can’t believe not in HoF. His is my most remembered football card from the time (yes the wrong way included on the reverse) and I had quite a few.
If there is a hall of fame for "most interesting man alive" off the field Marshall would be in on the first ballot
In regards to the "Wrong Way Run:" As Joe Horrigan says: a 20 year career is not one play, so it should not be based on one play. Not to mention, late in that very same game, Jim helped seal the game away with a strip sack, which Carl Eller I believe took the ball in for the game-sealing TD.
the3rdmorice When asked in an interview years ago about the wrong way run, Marshall cited a quote by Teddy Roosevelt. I kinda think it's the attitude you'd look for in a H oF candidate.
Still amazes me that he is not in. If it's about Super Bowl performance......what is Jim Kelly doing in the HOF?
Just because you don’t win a super bowl doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be in the hof. Dan fouts never won a super bowl he’s in the hof, Fran Tarkenton is in the hall of fame he never won, Dan Marino never won he’s in the hall of fame.
He should already been in the HOF
It sickens me that he is not in the HOF. And if it's because of the reason Carucci gave, that sickens me even more. And that Chris Russo Bozo couldn't tell one player from another, he's an absolute fool.
Chriss russo played how many downs?
The Vikings as a group are undone by their performance in the Super Bowl. They were dominated by the AFC representative in every game. This includes Alan Page, Carl Eller and Jim Marshall. The Chiefs, Raiders and Steelers ran roughshod over the Vikings. Gorging on "The Purple People Eaters." While Marshall's consecutive game streak is astounding, he damaged his performance by playing so long. The great tackle Art Shell of the Raiders devastated Marshall in their Super Bowl matchup. Not a single tackle the entire game!! Longevity is a big calling card. Longevity and playing at an elite level is even greater. The Vikings and Jim Marshall failed miserably in that regard.
Alan Page and Carl Eller are in the Hall of Fame however
The wrong way run doesn't matter. Only one play in a 20-year career. But Marshall only played in 2 Pro Bowls, both before the merger when each NFL conference (East and West) selected 3 DEs. Both Page (3) and Eller (2) had at least that many second team All-Pro nods. They also had 6 and 5 first team honors, respectively. The same year Page won league MVP (1971), Eller was voted NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Page was voted to 9 Pro Bowls and Eller to 6, and both are on the NFL's All-Decade team of the 70s. Page and Eller are swimming in accolades while Marshall's don't register at that level. Comparisons are made between Marshall and baseball's Cal Ripken, Jr. But Ripken and Brett Favre is a better one, I think, because of the durability-productivity link. Marshall was obviously a very good player. But his overall accomplishments beyond games played don't scream HALL OF FAME.
lmao the guy that when the wrong way
RG3 #SMOKINGTHAT3#10hunnit#DAWGPOUND #AFCnorthbest bruh your profile picture "when" the wrong way Imao
Dude was so good that he ran a fumble the wrong way just to help the other team’s offense score. Absolute legend.
@@DaRedeyeJedi808 that’s just wrong. He actually set up the fumble that ended the game winning field goal for the Vikings.
How is he still not in?
if you play over 250 consecutive games you are a hall of famer
Hey guys, which of these 10 players are now enshrined in Canton?
Marshall, unfortunately has 3 factors working against him (in no particular order):
1. He and his teams were beaten bad in all 4 Super Bowls they played in, and he in particular played poorly . Super Bowl 11 he didn't even register a single tackle.
2. The Purple People Eater Vikings teams already have 6 HOF players, a HOF head coach, and a HOF GM, thus Marshall has kinda gotten lost in the shuffle
3. Perception issue with the Wrong Way run
dennis gadulka agreed it's kinda sad cause the poor supes are a big mark against him & others on the team..
And he didn't play on one of the coasts, where sportswriters pump up even mediocre talents.
Also, zero selections as All-Pro, and only two selections to a Pro Bowl, which were in the pre-merger days (East vs West) when the Pro Bowlers were among the 3 best at the position among only 8 teams. Most players in the HOF have been named All-Pro at least five times, showing their dominance in their eras, not just playing for a long time.
Even the "fourth member" of the Purple People Eaters (Gary Larsen) was selected for two Pro Bowls.
Otis Taylor!!!
PFHOF comitee are absolutely wrong about Jim Marshall not inducted
Is it hard for people to grasp that playing at a very good/ excellent level for 20 years (!) is equivalent to playing at a great level for 10 years? Two decades of being very good is it's own form of greatness.
Jim marshall and larry hoover look like twins
#70 is a legend definitely should be in Canton great career spawned 2 decades.had a lot of good days as well as.bad. played against the best lineman that ever played.
Please, don't put anyone else into the HOF until you've added Jim Marshall. His "Iron Man" streak is incredible. While he had some excellent years, Ripken also had a lot of mediocrity in his streak. 20 years at an athletic position like DE! C'mon!
The only thing keeping Jim Marshall out of the Hall of Fame is that 49'er game.
Jim Harbaugh has very low pro games appearance: today NFL 🏈 football players do not want to play in pro bowl : very easy to be a substitute player
No, probably because of 4 Super Bowl losses
Come on Hall of Fame put him in So he Can Celebrate with his family
Statistically, Jim Marshall was never selected All-Pro, and only selected to two Pro Bowls (note, this is the same number of Pro Bowl appearences as the "fourth member" of the Purple People Eaters, Gary Larsen). Moreover, his statistics are not impressive (6.5 average sacks per year), in addition to being part of a defense known for "not showing up for the big games". He is credited for his longevity (playing 20 years as a defensive lineman), but that alone is not enough to be considered as a player who truly impacted the game. In comparison to HOF'ers Carl Eller and Alan Page, Marshall was only an average contributor on that D-Line.
Jim Marshall should certainly be in the HOF! It is an injustice it has taken so long.
Jim Marshall 2019. Deserves it more than Joe Namath
❤️ Joe Namath too !Broadway joe; Joe Namath first 4000 yard passer: AFC first winners of superbowl quarterback; Joe Namath
Very Tough call Jim marshall or Joe ❤️ both of them
Honestly if you look at this list today, only two players on this list made it to Canton, Terrell Davis and Jerry Kramer. Shows you how dumb the Hall of Fame selection process is
Boselli finally made it
130.5 Sacks
❤️ you & Jim marshall
took 20 years to get 130 sacks only averaged 6.5 sacks per year not impressive
I hope that this is the year, but I doubt it.
He only made two pro bowls however he did have 130.5 sacks, which I would say should be enough to get you into the hall of fame. So I don’t know.
biggest mystery of all time.
mel bias Jerry Kramer is the biggest mystery
Alejandro Sanchez , I sometimes wonder who Kramer ticked off that they finally got around to voting him in around 50 years after he retired. It wouldn't even be understandable if he played on an obscure team. But he led the power sweep of the the Packers dynasty. Very strange. But I'm glad he's going to be inducted.
There are many edge rushers in the HOF with fewer sacks than Jim Marshall. Smh.
wrongway Jim Marshall
It's time for Jim to be in the hall. Look how long it took Jerry Kramer to get in-and he didn't run the wrong way.
Why do players get judged for what they do and did of the field, it's what's done on the field that gets them into the hall of fame...
They need to take the vote away from these nerdy sports writers and form a committee of senior former players! Jim Marshall would've been in years ago. He was well respected amongst his peers!
Chris Russo is the living embodiment of "career troll." It is his only "talent": being a social miscreant.
Clearly the whole wrong way thing is clouding the minds of the voters.
Just put him in the damn Hall.
eclectica1 not just that he didn’t make a single tackle in super bowl 11 and was shut down in the rest of the Super Bowls that he played in
Didn't he run a fumble backwards
Still waiting, HOF.
There's several things Marshall has going against him. He's been nominated several times and has'nt made the cut. Last time his name came up was during the time Eller got in. The more time passes the more recent players come to mind and the more he gets passed up. Another big issue is he only has 2 probowls to his credit, and that was during the pre merger days ( East vs West, when you're chosen from the best DE of 6 teams ). The wrong way run has nothing to do with it. Say what you want, it was an exercise in hustle. The biggest issue is NO tackles in SB XI. THAT is his downfall, not to mention what the guy says right here. It took several letters and campaigns to get both Eller and Krause in. But listen to this, totally legit 0:58
I'm friggin crying as I type this............Jim Marshall is not only the greatest Viking to ever play the game, but Jim maybe one of the greatest NFL players to EVER play the game. I recently watched an interview of Fran Tarkington and his..............holy wow....I can"t even express......OMG.......God bless you Mr Marshall!!! I will meet you in Heaven, Lord willing!!!
The name is Tarkenton, not TARKINGTON, you must not know anything about football names
Greatest Viking ever?
Not Alan Page, Ron Yary, Fran Tarkenton, Chris Doleman, John Randle, Gary Zimmermann, Paul Krause, Bobby Bryant, Mick Tingelhoff, Chuck Foreman, Ahmad Rashad, Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Adrian Peterson, Steve Hutchinson, or Matt Blair?
He's not even the greatest Viking at his POSITION (Eller, Doleman, Keith Millard, Jared Allen).
wrong way run and s=he didn't make a tackle in super bowl 11 (art shell and gene Upshaw ) and lost 4 super bowls . still should be in though
I think it is the stigma of the wrong way run why he is not in the HOF
How many times do you think his wife/children have said to him:
Dad, you going the wrong way! 🤣🤣 He'll get in I sure!!
He should be in the Hall BECAUSE of the wrong way run.
Chris Russo can piss off.. SKOL VIKINGS!!
How does this happen? This is pretty sad to see. He should be in the HOF!
Jim Marshall should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Walter Peyton didn't score a touchdown in superbowl 20 so should that have kept him out of the Hall? Although that was Mike Ditkas fault.
Jim Marshall is not in the hall of fame because his wrong way run. Great player, he should be in, but that wrong way run should haunt him for not being in the hall of fame. But I do hope he gets in.
No it is not!! There are players in the HOF who made greater mistakes than Marshall running the wrong way. Bullshit.
I personally would not put Jim Marshall in the Hall of Fame.
The fact that Jim marshall isn't in the HOF makes one question the validity and credibility of the HOF altogether . It's a freaking disgrace and the NFL should be ashamed at themselves for this oversight .
Got rekt by art shell
Randy Gradishar should have #2 right behind Jerry Kramer. He didn't even make the list.
Xavier Vega You got your wish
Xavier Vega, true. Excellent MLB in the 70s. Reminds me of the late Tommy Nobis. Kind of player who was great in his time but is sadly forgotten as the years go by. So overlooked that neither of them made a list of players who should be in the Hall. But a special teams player does?
Another theoretical question to consider. If you were building a team from Vikings history, would you select Jim Marshall as one of your starters, or would you rather consider Carl Eller, Chris Doleman, Keith Millard, and Jared Allen?
HoF
The stupidity of that sportswriter is beyond comprehension. Judging a 20 year career solely on four games! The guy should have his voting privileges revoked. To lose four Super Bowls, you have to reach four of them. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Kenny Anderson never won a SB. Warren Moon, George Blanda, Eric Dickerson, Earl Campbell and Dan Fouts never even played in one. Does Russo question their credentials?
Sucks that one dumb play has shadowed over his legacy. He’s a hell of a DL.
Really durable, really solid for 20 years. He had more value than Jerry Kramer. Another Ohio State alum, Rams/Dolphins LB Bob Brudzinski, is often mentioned as overlooked.
It pisses me off, he's known for one play when he was a legendary DE
Hi nfl films
Its a crime to say Jim Marshall is not a Hall of Famer. Think about all his sacks, tackles for losses, fumble recoveries, forced fumbles, interceptions, passes blocked, consistant excellence, 20 years of being a starter. Chase fucken closed.
The “voters” just keep him out because of the wrong way run
He had ZERO tackles the the 76-77 Superbowl vs Oakland! 🤣🤣🤣
He was at the end of his career.
He was 40 years old at that point
Play NFL football 🏈 to get a paycheck :: Kareem Abdul jabber isn't look pretty his last year in nba;; fumble recovery near the top: sacks near the top :: 4 NFC CHAMPION: big statue of Jim marshall in canton Ohio NFL building
@@lloydkline1518 ran the wrong way for a touchdown. 🤣🤣🤣
@@Tommynator666xxx played 20 years without missing a game 🤣🤣🤣