Destroyers v Battleships in Total Darkness - Jutland Night Battle Documentary

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    It’s 9pm on May 31st 1916, and the Battle of Jutland has raged for the last six hours. With more than 200 ships involved, it has been the largest clash between fleets of battleships in history. As the light now begins to fail and darkness sets in, both sides stumble back towards each other, struggling to tell friend from foe, and heading towards one of the most chaotic engagements in naval history.
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    0:00 - The Battle of Jutland until nightfall
    1:38 - The Last Daylight Engagements
    3:38 - Incogni
    4:47 - A Goodenough Cruiser Battle
    6:28 - The Entire German Fleet vs some destroyers
    11:37 - Goldsmith's confusion
    12:59 - The sinking of SMS Pommern
    13:33 - Aftermath
    Credits:
    Lead Animation for this video by:
    Christiaan Dorman
    Supporting animation by:
    / scuffed_lund
    / addaway23
    Artwork by:
    / chrisbyflanker
    Written, Directed and Produced by:
    / addaway23
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    Sources:
    Robert Massie, Castles of Steel
    Anthony Gordon, The Rules of the Game
    V.E Tarrant - Jutland, the German Perspective
    Maps showing the tracks of ships at Jutland: www.jutland1916.com/maps/
    Music Credits:
    "Rynos Theme" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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    "Crypto" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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    "Stay the Course" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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    Other music and SFX from Epidemic Sound
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  • @Rationalific
    @Rationalific Рік тому +1114

    This was so frustrating... So many ships were like, "Hey, you guys are on our side, right?" and then the response is just "BOOM!". Imagine being a sailor and going through so much training only to have your ship signal its location to the enemy and get immediately blown up without being able to do anything.

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k 11 місяців тому

      It is evolution: survival of the one that responds the quickest. In 1914 the british land forces were VERY upset about the german soldiers not wearing bright blue, yellow or red uniforms (like they did) but greyish green that was very hard to spot while in the field. The brits and the frogs found it cheating....

    • @kingmuddy5898
      @kingmuddy5898 11 місяців тому +76

      "Do you see any torpedo boats?"

    • @kingbookser
      @kingbookser 11 місяців тому +18

      @@kingmuddy5898 BY DENMARK?

    • @mattrogersftw
      @mattrogersftw 11 місяців тому +34

      "Throws a pair of binoculars"

    • @kingbookser
      @kingbookser 11 місяців тому +10

      @@mattrogersftw "Ah fuck I didn't train them"

  • @bubbles190
    @bubbles190 Рік тому +1146

    Being lost at sea in the dark, watching everybody sail away is beyond my comprehension.

    • @bubbles190
      @bubbles190 Рік тому +17

      @@asdf2593 F'kin way she goes he says

    • @cian2741
      @cian2741 Рік тому

      @@asdf2593 What do you mean the way she fucking goes, we had $50 for strippers and you spent it on fruities Ray?!?

    • @robert48044
      @robert48044 Рік тому +34

      Shit like that is why I chose the Army

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k 11 місяців тому +13

      They saw nothing. It was dark. There was no light on the ships. Perhaps the sounds of engines.

    • @robert48044
      @robert48044 11 місяців тому +5

      @@frutt5k that's not better, just how sharks like it

  • @LegioXIII-SPQR
    @LegioXIII-SPQR Рік тому +786

    Those engagement distances were absolutely insane - basically the naval equivalent of knife fighting range

    • @alexsis1778
      @alexsis1778 11 місяців тому +39

      If you want to check out another interesting night time knife fight battle look up the WW2 Battle of Cape Matapan. After the battle the heavy cruiser Pola was dead in the water and trying to be rescued by her two sisters Zara and Flume. 3 british battle ships and the carrier Formidable closed to within 3,800 yards before opening fire. Being 3rd in the battle line of 4, Formidable received the order to open fire with her 4.5 inch guns for one salvo before someone realized they had just included a carrier in a point blank gun battle line with battleships and ordered her to turn away and fall out of line. Only time a carrier intentionally closed to gun range and took part in a battle line. All 3 Italian cruisers were wiped out in a matter of only a few minutes with reports of multiple turrets being physically thrown into the air. Its also the only time an entire class of ship was wiped out in a single engagement.

    • @Creamypie626
      @Creamypie626 11 місяців тому +6

      If you want a real knife fight battle, might I suggest looking into the 1st and 2nd Naval battle of Guadalcanal? If you want a battle where ships are fighting in the middle of each other's fleet then this is a good chaotic one.

    • @ophirbactrius8285
      @ophirbactrius8285 10 місяців тому

      Or on the other terms, seems like a bayonet hand to hand combat but in naval version.

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron 10 місяців тому

      Shout yes, hardly imaginable let alone managing to hit one! 😂

    • @dapppqp
      @dapppqp 9 місяців тому +3

      Nassau didn't just get into the naval equivalent of knife fighting range, it literally got into knife fighting range!

  • @cacildeasa
    @cacildeasa 11 місяців тому +69

    British: * flashes light *
    Germans: * F L A S H E S L I G H T S *

    • @trauko1388
      @trauko1388 11 місяців тому +7

      More like GUNflashes...

  • @GerardMenvussa
    @GerardMenvussa Рік тому +569

    If it were not for the tragic loss of life, some parts of this battle could be nearly comical.
    9:04 The 3 destroyers colliding, evacuating to one another
    12:15 The commander unknowingly taking his conga line of destroyers across the line of enemy battleships, not realizing how many boats were following him
    If this were a movie, I would probably criticizing the writers for coming up with silly gags in the middle of battle :o

    • @MXB2001
      @MXB2001 11 місяців тому +46

      Truth is stranger than fiction.

    • @Zergling.
      @Zergling. 11 місяців тому +106

      Dont forget too:
      8:13 A battleship raming a destroyer and point blank shooting it, blowing its superstructure, and the destroyer survived.
      10:49 The weird moment a british cruiser, the black prince, believing it was seeing the british fleet did put herself along side the fleet and sail with them only to find out where german, geting obliterated.

    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 11 місяців тому +17

      Wait till you hear of the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron. Ooooooh boy, was that a floating sh*t show. Drachinifel did a fantastic 2 parts video of them. Highly recommend

    • @GerardMenvussa
      @GerardMenvussa 11 місяців тому +49

      @@Zergling. "A battleship raming a destroyer and point blank shooting it, blowing its superstructure, and the destroyer survived"
      Plot armour!!! 😡
      Joke aside, this must have been a major brown-pants situation for every one involved.

    • @Zergling.
      @Zergling. 11 місяців тому +15

      @@GerardMenvussa HAHAH want to know how the ears of the sailors in the destroyer are still intact after getting blasted by battleship guns at that close range.
      "major brown-pants situation for every one involved." very true

  • @Murmanskkk
    @Murmanskkk 11 місяців тому +68

    "You think a destroyer can't do a battleships job? Let me prove you wrong."
    *gets absolutely obliterated*

    • @Phantom-bh5ru
      @Phantom-bh5ru 10 місяців тому +6

      Fr those destroyers got slaughtered

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 10 місяців тому +7

      One war too early to try to face a battleship with a destroyer.

    • @leonnunhofer3453
      @leonnunhofer3453 2 місяці тому

      Fr, especially if you look at WW2 battleships. Destroyers are nice to be presice, f.e. to destroy a building on an island from far away. Battleships have to come closer, and they are good the destroy... the whole island with a few salvos. Would be nice to bring the huge guns back for cheap fire support.
      Sometimes you can get close to the target, around 40km, and modern, big guns for sure could strike at 60km or 70km. If it's just a single turret with long barrel, it can be close to 100km. Make it 350mm or larger, so 14 inches or more, and you have the same punsh per shell like a cruise missile, or more, for a far smaller price.
      Sometimes you need to suppress enemies fire, and I think, you don't need real battleships with armor, you make them battlecruisers, so they are cheaper. You give them 1 turret with 2 or 3 guns or 2 with 2, with very long barrels, like some german WW2 guns.
      There was a german WW2 gun with 21cm and 115km range. Schwerer Gustav had close to 60km with 80cm. Imo you could make less turrets with longer guns with longer range, not 80cm, but maybe 45cm or 50cm, to have more firepower then cruise missiles, or you make more turrets, like 5 with 3 or 4 guns each, with something like 25cm, that can fire at a higher rate, and you have high range gliding shells, so you can suppress artillery.
      I just think, there should be a cheaper option to cruise missiles if you need to strike a huge area, and the single 140mm or 150mm naval guns ships have today are tiny, and today's artillery is very precise, todays guns are better, you won't miss a target even over 50km away by more than a few meters, so I would like to see at least larger guns, if not the battleships, return 🤷‍♂️

  • @santoast24
    @santoast24 Рік тому +358

    How well did radios work at this time, and how many ships even had them? I feel like this is a unique battle for a lot of reasons, but mostly for its role as the last time ships acted with so little communication between them.
    To me, just the tiniest bit of communication between the destroyer captains and Jellico would have resulted in a massive night duel, and the near total destruction of the High Seas Fleet. Not that the Grand Fleet would come out unscathed, of course.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  Рік тому +308

      Didn't have radio in the modern sense - you communicated by light, flag or morse

    • @jeanadames8230
      @jeanadames8230 Рік тому +20

      @@historigraph I guess Morse code wasn’t that secure for the spread of information for both sides ?

    • @magicintelligence6625
      @magicintelligence6625 Рік тому +105

      Radios were a thing on a select few British ships, but the radio was not seen favorably in the British fleet, thus preferring to communicate only with traditional means. If I recall correctly, Room 40 O.B. tried to give Jellicoe important information throughout and well past the battle, but Jellicoe never received the radio messages.

    • @mafiousbj
      @mafiousbj Рік тому +88

      @@magicintelligence6625 Also both radios and wireless telegraph needed operators. So if they were not at their post or Jellicoe just didn´t feel like posting people to manage the equipment no matter how much information was sent their way they would never receive it.
      The Titanic disaster only happened 4 years earlier and that was famous for being the first well known case of a telegraph being used to send distress signals and ask for help, and that mostly came from the bravery of the Titanic telegraph operators and someone actually being posted at the Carpathia´s telegraph after hours to receive those messages.
      I imagine "old school" admirals back in those days didn´t view any new tech favorably as you say, and only the missed opportunities and heavy bludners of this battle convinced or forced them to think differently.

    • @mikepotter5718
      @mikepotter5718 Рік тому +35

      @@magicintelligence6625 Jeelicoe got some of the messages. He didn't trust them because of a misunderstanding caused by an officer with the the admiralty.

  • @billhanna2148
    @billhanna2148 Рік тому +135

    Thank you for another superbly enlightening piece of history.

  • @historigraph
    @historigraph  Рік тому +104

    Thanks for watching everyone! Just to let you know I am aware of the animation error at around 11:00 - this is totally on me (Josh). I left a layer turned on that I shouldn't have and didnt catch it before release.

    • @sgtplop
      @sgtplop 11 місяців тому +5

      Dont worry about it mate, a small imperfection in an otherwise superb video

    • @ghostsauce3463
      @ghostsauce3463 11 місяців тому +9

      Intentional or not you deffinitly got me, I thought I was having a stroke.

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 11 місяців тому +3

      IMO it adds to the mystery of the situation! is this the British line or am i near enemy ships? i thought it was intentional.

    • @Strahan740i
      @Strahan740i 11 місяців тому +1

      I thought my projector had lost convergence, lol

    • @hansvonmannschaft9062
      @hansvonmannschaft9062 10 місяців тому

      Haha! I put some eyedrops, thinking my contacts were getting dry from the air conditioner 😂
      In any way, dude, I wouldn't even know how to open up the program you used to animate your vids. No need to apologize, I actually thank you for your top notch content 😀👍🏼

  • @LNgKhoi
    @LNgKhoi Рік тому +133

    I can get the chaotic part, but the part that no other ships around coming to see what's going on was a bit a beyond me. Couldn't anybody beside the British destroyers seen or heard the guns and ship explosions? I get that night battles can be confusing as hell, but the lack of more response from the British fleet was even more confusing to me.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  Рік тому +143

      Gunfire could be clearly seen and observed by several British battleships, but they did not inform Jellicoe or take any action themselves

    • @joshnelson6750
      @joshnelson6750 Рік тому +87

      @@historigraph That really is mind-boggling to me. They saw gunfire, understood that that meant a battle was taking place, and didn't even bother to tell Jellicoe? Was this a case of them following the precise word of the order, rather than the spirit of it, or something else - like mistaking the engagement for one against the lighter German vessels, or general incompetence?
      It's amazing to think about how different things could've been had word reached Jellicoe.

    • @Lykas_mitts
      @Lykas_mitts Рік тому +89

      @@joshnelson6750 the culture of the RN at the time was to be silent until orders were issued IIRC (i.e. don't speak until spoken to)
      was even a problem during WW2 even though by that point they had been trying to fix that culture for a while.

    • @joshnelson6750
      @joshnelson6750 Рік тому +20

      @Lykas_mitts That would certainly explain it. Certainly a stereotype during the First and Second World Wars, particularly when compared to our German counterparts.

    • @LNgKhoi
      @LNgKhoi Рік тому +9

      Humans are weird man...
      When reality is unrealistic...

  • @PaulfromChicago
    @PaulfromChicago Рік тому +132

    I do hope your next video goes into responsible parties, discipline for failures, and historiography. Battles are good, but the systems that govern discipline and logistics are absolutely fascinating. And continue to be relevant.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  Рік тому +77

      Trouble is, videos about abstract things like that won't get views (see our last video on the battle of the atlantic, which was logistics focused), so don't make sense to make

    • @derrickstorm6976
      @derrickstorm6976 Рік тому +1

      I was about to say, the overwhelming number of people interested in history are actually only interested in historic spectacles, which is a terrible shame especially since they then believe or pretend to understand history

    • @PaulfromChicago
      @PaulfromChicago Рік тому +31

      @@historigraph I thought that video was absolutely brilliant. In fact I liked it so much I just subscribed to your Patreon.
      I was hoping you would do a battle on British coastal convoys of World War II. If the convoy system is underlooked, the coastal convoy system is definitely.

    • @ricojes
      @ricojes Рік тому +6

      Sounds like a job for Perun.

    • @arthurpicket3505
      @arthurpicket3505 Рік тому +5

      @@historigraph In fairness it was a good video, just the topic was generic and done to death across multiple media platforms. I think a more specialized take on Jutland's logistics and fallout to cap off the series would be fantastic!

  • @huntclanhunt9697
    @huntclanhunt9697 11 місяців тому +16

    6:45
    It was not, in fact, a long way to Tipperary...

  • @dclark142002
    @dclark142002 11 місяців тому +75

    Jellico's moment of glory...the masterful deployment of the Grand Fleet to trap the German Fleet.
    Scheer demonstrating brilliant competence to survive the trap.
    The entire battle shows the Royal Navy conclusively demonstrating that their senior officer corps was distinctly incompetent...up to and including Beatty. Only Jellicoe knew what he was about.

    • @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground
      @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground 11 місяців тому +23

      At least Royal Navy officers in WW2 had combat experience. Jutland was the first major naval battle in over 100 years for the Royal Navy, they got lazy and complacent.

    • @dclark142002
      @dclark142002 11 місяців тому +4

      @@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground, not true.
      There were a number of engagements between the North Sea fleets prior to Jutland.

    • @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground
      @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground 11 місяців тому +11

      @@dclark142002 Nothing close to the scale of Jutland. Dogger bank and falklands doesnt really count as they were skirmishes between cruisers and a few battlecruisers.
      The Battle of Jutland saw 42 British and German battleships duke it out in a pitched battle on the high seas, the first and only time this has ever happened.

    • @dclark142002
      @dclark142002 11 місяців тому +5

      @@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground, the maneuvering around the Scarborough, Hartlepool, and Whitby raid nearly caused an engagement between Ingenohl's High Seas Fleet and Beattys detached battlecruiser and dreadnought force...and that wasn't the only time significant portions of each fleet were within an hour or so of fighting each other.
      Positioning prior to the guns firing is a KEY aspect of winning a naval fight...

    • @noobster4779
      @noobster4779 6 місяців тому

      It was the first major naval battle in german histroy....ever and the biggest ever since@@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground

  • @deezn8tes
    @deezn8tes Рік тому +12

    Between you and Drach I have my WW1 Jutland series collection that I could listen to over and over again

  • @wolfbyte3171
    @wolfbyte3171 11 місяців тому +30

    After I heard of the exchange between Sparrowhawk and Broke back when World of Warships told of the event, reading the page about the ordeal Sparrowhawk's crew went through is incredible:
    --
    Sparrowhawk still had engine power but the rudder was jammed to one side so she could do nothing except steam in circles, near the burning destroyer Tipperary. At around 0200 a German torpedo boat approached, coming within 100 yards (91 m), but then turned away. Only one gun was still functional, which the captain and his officers manned personally as the gun crews had been killed or injured, but they held fire in the hope the German would not initiate an attack Sparrowhawk could not hope to survive. Shortly after, Tipperary sank, putting out the fire which was attracting attention to the area. At around 0330 Sparrowhawk sighted a German cruiser, again causing considerable alarm, but shortly afterwards the ship was seen to list and then sink bow first. This was SMS Elbing, which had been torpedoed and then abandoned. At 0610 a raft approached, carrying 23 men from Tipperary: three were found to be already dead, while five more died after being taken on board.
    An hour later three British destroyers arrived and HMS Marksman attempted to get two hawsers attached to Sparrowhawk to tow her to safety. The high seas meant the ropes parted and there were reports of German submarines nearby. It was decided that Sparrowhawk must be abandoned, and Marksman fired 18 shells into her to ensure that she sank.
    --
    Also, Broke ended up surviving the battle and the war, being sold to Chile in 1920. I need to look into the survival of Spitfire too!

  • @MXB2001
    @MXB2001 11 місяців тому +23

    Scheer: "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" The Pommern paid the ultimate price for that but it could have been worse. Gutsy, brilliant move. I've read accounts of the battle before but it seems the night action was pawned off as some sort of afterthought. Looks like it was the defining moment of the whole engagement. Also seeing it is (to me) worth a billion words.

    • @aaroncabatingan5238
      @aaroncabatingan5238 11 місяців тому +5

      It's not as flashy as several dozen battleships firing their guns at each other. But yeah, this was the defining moment of the battle. Had the British handled this fight better they could have annihilated the High Seas Fleet.

  • @pomazzzz
    @pomazzzz 11 місяців тому +5

    What a video! It's amazing how you managed to convey the sense of confusion and dread this battle must have been like with simply a top down view of animated ships. Well done!

  • @censoreduser
    @censoreduser Рік тому +24

    Great video as always, quality always takes time

  • @thetalesofdaneandco
    @thetalesofdaneandco Рік тому +7

    A fantastic followup to Historigraph's previous video "The Battle of Jutland: Clash of Dreadnoughts"

  • @SmokeJam
    @SmokeJam 11 місяців тому +9

    Always engaging to have a battle visualized like this. For people like me who have only the slightest clue about naval war doctrine and their execution, the reality is still very abstract to grasp. Hence it is highly enlightening and immersive to have it presented this way. Thank you for another high quality video!

  • @uncaringbear
    @uncaringbear 11 місяців тому +3

    Excellent video documenting the final phase of the Battle of Jutland. It paints a fascinating picture of just how chaotic and terrifying it must have been. There's something so epic about the naval battles of WWI that I find so engaging, compared to WWII.

  • @MuhammadAli-255
    @MuhammadAli-255 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this incredible video. I have never heard of the multiple engagements after the British battle cruisers were destroyed. This is a very important point of the battle so many documentaries and videos skip out on.

  • @johnedreslin
    @johnedreslin 11 місяців тому +3

    An excellent presentation of this little-discussed part of the Battle of Jutland. I learned a lot.

  • @sagebiddi
    @sagebiddi 10 місяців тому +4

    It always blows my mind at the loss of life during these engagements and how brave one would be to know this and still sign up for duty. The ocean is such an unforgiving theater and has always been. No screaming for a medic ...
    No hiding till a heli comes...
    No hoping natives will help....
    Just an enveloping unimaginable frigid end as you are consumed by that frozen darkness falling into eternal nothingness

  • @neweraamerica7363
    @neweraamerica7363 Рік тому +1

    Was sitting on my phone last night thinking it had been a while since you uploaded and was hoping for an upload soon. Thanks for the blessing.

  • @wilms2328
    @wilms2328 11 місяців тому +2

    Fantastic sequel to one of my favorite videos of yours, well done! Love the new animator too, great work all around

  • @JamesThomas-gg6il
    @JamesThomas-gg6il 11 місяців тому +1

    The battle of jutland was over but the battle to claim victory had just begun... Great way of putting it.

  • @JustPlainDrain
    @JustPlainDrain Рік тому +3

    Yet again another beautiful work, keep it up man :)

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 Рік тому +3

    Awesome and informative as always, thank you!

  • @Archangel-mz3yo
    @Archangel-mz3yo Рік тому +3

    The chain of events unfolding in the night fighting is so bizzare one could not possibly make it up as no one would believe it. That being said: another very nice video to sip some earl grey to.

  • @enigmawyoming5201
    @enigmawyoming5201 11 місяців тому +2

    Your graphic representation of what you are saying is very good! New subscriber here. Now.. time to binge watch the rest of your videos while sitting next to my wood stove watching this spring storm going on outside for the last 2 days.

  • @gptsiteuser
    @gptsiteuser Рік тому +23

    Imagine last name being goodenough

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron Рік тому

      😮Best man called Mr Ladyhusband.. 😂

    • @leohelen1858
      @leohelen1858 11 місяців тому +1

      Don't forget you also have Archibald butts who was Lee major in the Army but died on the Titanic

    • @bighamster2
      @bighamster2 11 місяців тому +3

      The Royal Navy in the 20th century had so many senior officers with great names. Manley Power, comes to mind. But admiral Goodenough is just *chef's kiss*

  • @billythehillbilly7542
    @billythehillbilly7542 11 місяців тому +8

    The story of the Spitfire is absolutely heroic and needs a full length high budget movie as does this fight and several other ships and people

  • @tdestroyer1882
    @tdestroyer1882 11 місяців тому +1

    Amazing video! I don’t mind you taking longer to make videos if they have a far better quality and story. Let’s hope you never stop making these kinds of videos!

  • @swouse8182
    @swouse8182 Рік тому +15

    12 views 12 likes. says alot about the quality of your videos

  • @spencerderosier6649
    @spencerderosier6649 11 місяців тому

    Wish you made more videos. I think you and history matters have the most polished and digestible short documentaries.

  • @cornishdiaspora918
    @cornishdiaspora918 Рік тому +1

    Excellent stuff, a part of the battle usually glossed over.

  • @Roman-kz9oq
    @Roman-kz9oq 11 місяців тому

    Amazing video! Keep up the great productions man!

  • @michaelstadnikfilm
    @michaelstadnikfilm 11 місяців тому +1

    Always enjoy these. Well done as always!

  • @mwhyte1979
    @mwhyte1979 11 місяців тому +5

    I've always heard about the tragic loss of the British Battlecruiser"s during this battle but this was the first time I've heard about the slaughter of the British destroyers.

  • @larispegmail
    @larispegmail Рік тому +5

    The lack of communication of the British fleet saves the High Seas Fleet. Nobody tries to signal the main fleet?.

  • @chocolatemilk5764
    @chocolatemilk5764 Рік тому +18

    Great animation and information!

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 11 місяців тому +1

    A chaotic n tragic night time battle for sure. Nice video.

  • @ArenBerberian
    @ArenBerberian Рік тому

    Excellent vid on this lesser-known but very dramatic action of Jutland.

  • @JohnDoe-tx8lq
    @JohnDoe-tx8lq 11 місяців тому +1

    I didn't realise the battle involved so many ships - that's crazy!

  • @iyzu8413
    @iyzu8413 Рік тому +4

    I'm a simple man. I see a new Historiograph video, I watch the video.

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron Рік тому

      A simply They / them I dare suggest...

    • @iyzu8413
      @iyzu8413 Рік тому

      @@DaveSCameron I corrected it, ty

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron Рік тому

      @@iyzu8413 😉

  • @fearthehoneybadger
    @fearthehoneybadger Рік тому +19

    Multiple reasons that that battle went bad for the British. The Royal Navy should have cleaned their clocks: even Hipper said so.

    • @jeanadames8230
      @jeanadames8230 Рік тому +1

      I’m sorry but what do you mean by “cleansed their clocks” ? I’m genuinely curious.

    • @pjlusk7774
      @pjlusk7774 Рік тому +6

      @@jeanadames8230 It means "beaten them badly, in an almost hopelessly one-sided way."

    • @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground
      @Luke_Sandy_High_Ground 11 місяців тому +4

      Jutland was a wake up call for the Royal Navy after 100 years of no competition. Many valuable lessons were learned which payed off in WW2.

    • @pjlusk7774
      @pjlusk7774 11 місяців тому

      @@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground and this is the Royal Navy after 20-odd years of Jackie Fisher-led reforms! The Navy was in much, much worse shape in 1880 or 1890.

    • @dumptrump3788
      @dumptrump3788 11 місяців тому +5

      I'm amazed that people still think that the Royal Navy came off worst. Germany achieved NONE of its war aims with this action. The RN blockade stayed in place & the High Seas Fleet remained bottled up in Port. Meanwhile, the RN went back to patrolling the North Sea, as usual. Claiming that Jutland was some sort of German victory is like claiming that the battle of Kursk went in their favor, too.

  • @SPQRCJ97
    @SPQRCJ97 5 місяців тому

    DUDE! I always hear about the battle of Jutland but this the first time I saw haw brutal and chaotic it is.

  • @TammoSeppelt
    @TammoSeppelt Рік тому +7

    SMS Frauenlob was NOT cut in half (it lies complete in the sea right now) and had 8 survivors.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  Рік тому +3

      You may be right. For clarity, the source I was using here was Massie's Castles of Steel, which refers to the whole crew going down with her.

    • @trauko1388
      @trauko1388 11 місяців тому

      @@historigraph Ooofff... Massie is bad, very bad, only cares about the brit stuff and is mostly propaganda, Campbell is the bible on Jutland for every hit and damage suffered, it used to be available online for free.
      A gift:
      "The German destroyer flotillas were to carry out night attacks, but fortunately for the British the position of their battlefleet was not known, so that the flotillas had to be spread between 55° and 190°. There were defects in the plan adopted, and no success was obtained. Scheer had told Commodore Heinrich in the Regensburg as early as 1916 that his three flotillas were to attack during the night, and at 2000 both Heinrich and the Senior Leader of Destroyers, Commodore Michelsen, in the Rostock, were ordered by Scheer to direct all flotillas to attack.
      Heinrich had available the ten destroyers of the 2nd Flotilla which had only fired one torpedo with two damaged, so that they had 57 left, and three destroyers of the 12th Half-Flotilla with 15 torpedoes. In order to obtain a view, less obscured by haze and smoke, the Regensburg turned back with these destroyers at c2010 and made for a position northward of the German rear, and not far from where the Indefatigable had sunk, wreckage being noted by the B97 and G103. The 2nd Flotilla were to attack in the sector 55° to 100° and, if it appeared inadvisable to return via the German Bight, were to make for Kiel round the Skaw.
      The next sector, 100° to 122°, was allotted to the 12th Half-Flotilla.
      Just after the destroyers had been given their orders, and 14 minutes before they were finally detached at 2030, a signal was received from Scheer, that the Rostock was to conduct all attacks. Heinrich had foreseen this, and had therefore confined his flotillas to the tactically less favourable northern sectors to avoid obstructing Michelsen. This meant that the most promising sectors would be given to the coal-fired destroyers of the 5th and 7th Flotillas. Heinrich notified Scheer and Michelsen of the orders issued, and Michelsen then informed Scheer that Heinrich would direct the attacks of his flotillas independently.
      Both the 2nd Flotilla and 12th Half-Flotilla encountered British forces earlier than intended and at 2052 the 2nd LCS opened fire on the latter at 3500-5500yds. The destroyers turned away, and the S50 was hit by a 6in shell which did not explode but put one boiler out of action amongst other damage, so that she had to reduce to 25kts and return to the German Fleet. The destroyers made smoke and artificial fog, and the V69 and V46 resumed their course at 2110. In addition to the 2nd LCS, the Benbow fired one salvo of 6in, and a round from `B' turret, while the Valiant believed that the 2nd LCS were firing at a submarine on her starboard bow, for which she altered course. The Barham fired some rounds of 6in at a supposed submarine during the battle, possibly at this time.
      The 2nd Flotilla sighted the British 2nd LCS and 12th Flotilla at 2045-2050, and also turned away, gradually describing a large circle to starboard, so that they did not resume their eastward course until 2130 or 2140. This delay caused the 2nd Flotilla to pass far astern of any British battleships, though the V69 and V46 approached much nearer. Of the other oil-fired destroyers, the G41 and the 11th Half-Flotilla had only three torpedoes left between them, and were sent to take station at the head of the line. The 9th Flotilla had lost three destroyers, and of the remainder the V28 and S52 had no torpedoes left, while the V28 was also damaged, as was the S51 which had two torpedoes, and these three took station on the 1st Squadron.
      The other five destroyers of this flotilla had a total of 21 torpedoes available and, in company with the G42 of the 3rd Flotilla which still had six torpedoes but was reduced in speed, joined the Rostock, and at 2130 were steaming towards the head of the line. The other five surviving destroyers of the 3rd Flotilla had 20 torpedoes left, though the G88 had only one. They did not regain touch with the German Fleet for some time after their final attempt to reach the Wiesbaden, but by 2045 had joined the Regensburg and, for the time being, were retained as a reserve. Lastly the G38, G40, V45 and G37 with a total of 20 torpedoes were accompanying the Lutzow, the G39 with six torpedoes, the 1st SG and then the Moltke; the S32, which had only one torpedo left, was with the Rostock.
      The destroyers of the 5th and 7th Flotillas had each one oil-fired and three coal-fired boilers, and the fires in the latter were very dirty, so that in order to prepare them to some extent for smokeless steaming during the coming attacks, speed had to be held to 17-18 or at the most 21kts, and' even at 15kts sparks and funnel smoke were visible at a considerable distance. As the British fleet speed during the night was 17kts, this was a serious handicap, and in addition the position where they were detached by the Rostock at c2110,, was near the rear of the German line, whose alterations of course hampered these flotillas. Neither had yet fired any torpedoes, so that the 5th had 44 and the 7th 36 available.
      Michelsen thought that the British would probably steam southward under the Jutland coast during the night and assigned the sector 122° to 156° to the 7th Flotilla, and 156° to 190° to the 5th. Owing to Michelsen's and Heinrich's flotillas being detached from different positions, there was however a gap between the 122° boundaries of the sectors of the 12th Half-Flotilla and 7th Flotilla. The 5th Flotilla proceeded generally 173° after they were detached, and should have begun to search their sector at 2230, but they were delayed 30 minutes by having to pass twice through the German line, and also by smoke interfering with visual signals. The 7th Flotilla which were steering 139° passed through the line of the 3rd Squadron at about 2125, and 3 minutes or so later the S23 was briefly lit up by SL and fired at. Recognition signals stopped further firing, and the 7th Flotilla altered course to 122° to get further away from the German Fleet, and proceeded in close order at 17kts.
      There were thus no German destroyers in the sector between 122° and 173°, where the British battleships were to be found."
      The book goes into excruciating detail about the fighting with no bias, which is rare.
      The brits were INCREDIBLY lucky... also note the Germans actually talked to each other, unlike the British.
      Otherwise, the video is EXCELLENT.

  • @kenny_mc_cormick
    @kenny_mc_cormick 8 місяців тому

    Great animation on this video!

  • @christopherhanton6611
    @christopherhanton6611 11 місяців тому +2

    yea the night action was CRAZY not having NO GOOD RADAR RADIOS. both sides had no idea when they got close that was not their OWN NATIONS Ships

  • @johngregory4801
    @johngregory4801 4 місяці тому +1

    The sheer stubbornness of Beatty and those beneath him to avoid informing Admiral Jellicoe of what was happening is truly unfathomable.

  • @antoniocarrascosa6060
    @antoniocarrascosa6060 3 місяці тому

    Magnífico trabajo, enhorabuena

  • @clank1013
    @clank1013 4 місяці тому

    Great job, love the animations and history lessons

  • @colindunnigan8621
    @colindunnigan8621 11 місяців тому

    Excellent video! One nit: according to Steel & Hart "Jutland 1916: Death in the Gray Wastes," (pp302-03) there were five survivors from Frauenlob, at least two of which left an account of their experiences: a Midshipman named Stoltzmann, and Machinist Max Muller. I was surprised when I read that, thinking the cruiser was lost with all hands as well.

  • @dinklehimerschlitz9111
    @dinklehimerschlitz9111 8 місяців тому

    nice work !

  • @vaiperhsantos8449
    @vaiperhsantos8449 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for this incredible Documentary!!!!
    Any more about Falklands War

  • @henriquekonradt541
    @henriquekonradt541 11 місяців тому

    The tale of SMS Nassau and HMS Spitfire has always amazed me. I just started the video and I hope he talks about it.

  • @calebbyars
    @calebbyars 11 місяців тому +1

    Remarkable amounts of incompetence on both sides here.

  • @Cheeseybeaver45
    @Cheeseybeaver45 8 місяців тому

    I seriously wish they’d make some navy battle movies with these battles it would be epic

  • @marshall1896
    @marshall1896 7 місяців тому

    You should be video on the Carmania vs the Cap Trafalger. Or the story of the story of the Kaiser Wilhelm Der Große or the HMAS Sydney vs the Kormoran. Definitely the last one.

  • @Colbato.
    @Colbato. 4 місяці тому +1

    We really kicked your arse in the Battle of the Skagerrak.

  • @matome3050
    @matome3050 Рік тому +2

    I was thinking yesterday, that I should watch the WW1 videos on here again. And now there is a new one! And it's as awsome as usual. 😊
    (I just noticed a typo at 2:17. It sais "Princzregent" instead of "Prinzregent". Just a small thing, but as a german I noticed that immediately 😅)

  • @mohanedmohsen8263
    @mohanedmohsen8263 11 місяців тому +1

    i didn't expect this many ships collided to each other in the battel

  • @matthewgray9752
    @matthewgray9752 11 місяців тому

    I like at 4:50 there's that column of six ships which does a few 180's before they maintain the correct course as the other ships.

  • @gonavygonavy1193
    @gonavygonavy1193 5 місяців тому +1

    I wish UAD or other games could simulate this level of chaos and lack of C&C in naval battles, especially night battles. Even RtW doesn't quite measure up.

  • @Alex_Guy1011
    @Alex_Guy1011 11 місяців тому

    A truly impressive take on the chaos.
    It's almost impossible to describe.
    Just pure BFG Division.
    Once the claiming victory bit is finished, is there a potential plan to remake your first video about Jutland?

  • @LAH92
    @LAH92 Рік тому +1

    In battle, communication is always key to be successful.
    I guess this got passed down in doctrine from instances like this!!
    Rest in peace to them all who fought hard for their countries

  • @kiffy2634
    @kiffy2634 Рік тому

    Loved the video

  • @jona.scholt4362
    @jona.scholt4362 Рік тому +3

    Historigraph just dropped another Jutland video! Drop whatever it is you are doing!

  • @KentBenit
    @KentBenit 11 місяців тому

    Superb quality

  • @coyote4237
    @coyote4237 11 місяців тому

    Thank you.

  • @tbj1972
    @tbj1972 4 місяці тому

    Great video 👍

  • @bradleywoods1999
    @bradleywoods1999 7 місяців тому

    I'd love a series on other seiges of WW2, the videos in the Budapest series were some of the best you've made and we're fantastic to watch. You could do stalingrad, leningrad or Berlin there's so many options.

  • @olknoxlo
    @olknoxlo 11 місяців тому +1

    British: "Check if they're friendly."
    Germans: *So anyway I started blastin'*

  • @anonyme7429
    @anonyme7429 11 місяців тому

    I love how formation on ww1 are still fighting on a line

  • @zintosion
    @zintosion Рік тому

    That was intense.

  • @leeclarke2215
    @leeclarke2215 Рік тому

    Love this channel better then history is school's 👍

  • @YoungGarrett
    @YoungGarrett Рік тому +4

    RIP to Shaun Micallef's (great) grandfather on HMS Black Prince.

  • @wedgeantillies66
    @wedgeantillies66 11 місяців тому

    That why night fighting can be an absolute disaster for one to engage as it can be so chaotic, confused and deadly to all that participate in. Even more so when you let your destroyers roam free ahead of your main battleships as the enemy fleet desperately and successively break through said force.

  • @maxhill7065
    @maxhill7065 11 місяців тому +1

    Holy shit I want to read more about the Spitfire and her return to port, that's incredible that they were able to limp back

  • @avus-kw2f213
    @avus-kw2f213 Місяць тому

    14:28 as a combatant in who won the battle of Jutland I can say this will never end and people will still be fighting for eternity

  • @johnlimyiren
    @johnlimyiren 11 місяців тому

    Thanks

  • @aretardridesmotard6128
    @aretardridesmotard6128 11 місяців тому

    Home from work and a new historigraph video. Bliss.

  • @Brahmdagh
    @Brahmdagh 11 місяців тому +1

    Holy Hell..!

  • @trauko1388
    @trauko1388 11 місяців тому

    Great video, the only thing missing was the mention fo the incredible luck of Jellicoe... Scheer sent all its destroyers in different bearings in order to attack the GF, only that the flotilla that would have intercepted Jellicoe suffered delays and deviations while passing through the HSF lines, so no night DD attack occurred, which in light of the mediocre GF night fighting capabilities it was a godsend.

  • @hansvonmannschaft9062
    @hansvonmannschaft9062 10 місяців тому +1

    The Brit destroyer pile-up definitely deserves a separate video with some Monty Python dialogue in it!

  • @randywise5241
    @randywise5241 10 місяців тому

    Communication and enemy recognition seemed to plague them. What a terrifying night it must have been to the average sailor.

  • @jholotanbest2688
    @jholotanbest2688 11 місяців тому

    Very good video

  • @kiel_3222
    @kiel_3222 Рік тому +1

    EYYYYY LEZZZZ GOOOOO!

  • @marlinperkins6910
    @marlinperkins6910 5 місяців тому

    I must say, this was a very frustrating battle.

  • @kiankier7330
    @kiankier7330 10 місяців тому

    great video, I have an idea for a video. Operation Safari, the sinking of the Danish navy. It would also be fitting as we are getting closer to the 80-year day of that event

  • @clevtrog
    @clevtrog 2 місяці тому

    The amount of ships lost in ww1 with their entire crew is pretty tragic

  • @stuartjarman4930
    @stuartjarman4930 4 місяці тому

    A little known and epic story, very well presented! What is the theme music used?

  • @jona.scholt4362
    @jona.scholt4362 Рік тому +1

    The opening music is back!!!!!!

  • @tubad4ya66
    @tubad4ya66 3 місяці тому

    Judging from the startling photo, HMS Spitfire seemed to have been given a "devil's haircut."

  • @constantinexi6489
    @constantinexi6489 11 місяців тому +1

    Jutland was completely insane

  • @average_warspite_enjoyer
    @average_warspite_enjoyer 11 місяців тому

    Seems to me the algorithem did you dirty once again being subbed to you since before the falklands series it makes me sad that the algorithem is not showing your amazing videos to more people

  • @charlesq7866
    @charlesq7866 11 місяців тому

    HOLY CRAP!

  • @sammyclassicstarfoxfan9827
    @sammyclassicstarfoxfan9827 11 місяців тому

    2:21 Interesting to see just how badly the battlecruisers fared.