Saddledome was very cool design. At one time the Saddledome was the best hockey arena in the world, it was built for the 1988 winter Olympics in Calgary
Calgary isn’t a small city. It has 1.8 million people. There is an entertainment district being built there right now around the arena. The arena is one of many big scale projects. BMO expansion, Arts Commons, Calgary central library, Studio Bell Canada music hall of fame, Green Line LRT, Contemporary Art gallery.
Calgary's population is projected to be 1.8 million people as of July of this year. Its not that small of a city. Also the total price tag of the arena and area (new underpasses, road work needed) is priced at 1.3 billion.
Sure it's small when comparing to New York, LA, Chicago or Toronto, but a city close to 2 million people I wouldn't consider small. It's not like it's the size of Winnipeg. Wish the NBA would come to Calgary, but ginger is right, not happening in my life time considering larger cities like Seattle don't have a team.
@@KyleTravis-l5kI wish there was an NBA or even a G league level basketball league in Canada. There's enough cities to make it work, problem is I don't know if there's enough money.
@EvanEscher yep, and in the US they have a way larger population base to pull from outside of their cities metro areas. Calgary's metro population is 1.8 million, but outside of that area you have no other significant populated areas for hundreds of KM's in every direction
I suspect cost overruns will bring the price tag higher by the time this arena nears completion. It never fails to cost more to the taxpayers after all is said and done!
as a civil engineer it hurts me hearing you call asphalt concrete 30 times towards the end of the video, but great video and thanks for covering the new arena! pumped for it!
@@johnholstpopulation doesn't mean as much as Basketball fans and by Basketball fans I mean people who are willing to put up $5k to $20k for season tickets every year and then thousands more to fill up the luxury boxes. Calgary just doesn't have that big of a Basketball fan base. Vancouver and Toronto both got raw deals when they came in as expansion teams but as we saw even Vancouver couldn't cut it as an NBA city. The first year everyone was gung ho but after 3 -4 years of losing attendance started dropping big-time. It's a shame Vancouver couldn't hold onto their NBA team as they were only in Vancouver for 6 seasons and I remember the NBA screwed over Toronto and Vancouver as they made a rule that no expansion team had ever had before that Van & Toronto couldn't have the #1 overall draft pick for something like 5 years (I can't remember the exact number of years but it was something like 5 years give or take a year) Vancouver finished in last place in 1995/96 and if allowed they would have had the best chance to draft Allen Iverson. Instead the 76ers who finished 2nd last got to draft Allen Iverson and the rest is history.
@@misguidedangel6550 No, you're absolutely right. It's not just population. I think people in this post just wanted to point out Ginger thinks Calgary is a small town. It isn't.
@@misguidedangel6550Canada should have their OWN pro baseball and basketball leagues instead of sharing with the US. It would actually be better for Canada That way, because Vancouver Edmonton Calgary Winnipeg Saskatoon Halifax whatever, would have teams instead of having nothing at all (because a sports league can't just endlessly create expansion teams to give every city a team) I get why Ice Hockey needs to be shared it's Canada's game but needs the US larger population and money
@@CreightonRabs Ooooooeeeeeee....what's up with that....what's up with that.....What's up.....I say what's uuuuup......What is up with that - what is up with that - what is up with that.......They're building a new distriiiict....but no new arenaaaaaaaaa......Yeah!
Love your sports content Ginger. You're right..Calgary won't get an NBA team any time soon. But it does have a larger metro population than several current NBA cities. And it ain't cheap to live there anymore.
Is it me, or is it weird that quite a few of the Canadian stadiums and arenas all seem to have the same mega-companies snagging naming rights? Between Scotiabank and Rogers, the arena names almost feel cookie cutter and generic.
There is a casino there already and a convention centre. There is a proposed hotel that has approval already. This arena is located on the grounds of the Calgary Stampede. Within a few blocks is the national music centre and a state of the art library. There are infrastructure projects including train and car access the brings the actual cost up closer to 1.3 billion dollars. There are a few details that maybe you don't have access to I guess.
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Saddledome site is likely going to be turned into an empty lot. The Stampede (basically a state fair) takes place in that area so they need to keep a huge chunk of land along the river as basically a parking lot so they can install the midway etc.
It looks cheap, because they already own the land. It's situated on the 'Stampede Grounds' with Red and Green line train stations to the west and north.
Most of that space south of the arena needs to stay vacant since it's the Stampede fairgrounds site. The immediate area north is expected to be part of a developed district though, one of the city's issues right now is that there isn't enough hotel space available downtown to take full advantage of the new convention centre so there's a significant need to construct spin-off services.
There's no window at that one end, just a wall. There's only one premium level in this arena between the upper and lower seating bowls with 52 suites along the north, east, and south sides, with theatre boxes on the west side. The upper seating bowl is split by the upper concourse into two levels. Calgary is western Canada's distribution hub, so building materials are easier to come by here, plus our building taxes are low as well.
With the way Stampede Park is built already, there isn't really space for a true "arena district" especially with the BMO Centre expansion that just finished, the angle of the river and the CP train line being as close as they are. The area the new Green Line LRT will pass through is also where a lot of a district would go. Who knows what they do with the land whre the Dome is currently though. I just wonder how much the Stampede Committee is willing to have bars they don't control on their land, especially when that's prime real estate for tents during the Stampede.
I would like to see the Calgary Flames win a game and turn Scotia Place red, just like the Golden 1 Center in Sacramento,when the NBA's Sacramento Kings they also win games and they light up the purple beam after the game
@@RYMAN1321The cement on the roof is collapsing and its already the second oldest stadium in the NHL. Unlike what theyre doing with MSG in New York, they arent willing to pay more for a stadium that was built in the 80s. Its time for a change.
The high rise apartments referred to in this video near the new arena are called the Arriva Tower complex. They technically started the boom in condominium development in Calgary around 2006. Expecting a lot more development in this area now that the BMO centre was recently completed that will connect to the new arena.
Scotiabank and Rogers have their names on a number of Canadian stadiums: Scotiabank Arena (Leafs/Raptors), Rogers Centre (Jays), Rogers Place (Oilers), Scotiabank Saddledome / Scotia Place (Flames), Rogers Arena (Canucks). BCE (Bell Canada Enterprises) gets in there with only one - Bell Centre (Canadiens).
Nice job on this one. Can’t say it reminds me particularly of anything, it seems so unique. It’s warm and inviting, which is exactly what those people need when it’s 15° Fahrenheit outside. Has the same inviting principle that a lodge would have at a ski resort. Definitely blends with the environment, which is an advanced architectural principle. Wanting to do it and actually pulling it off is huge. The inside was built for the fans also, not as a vessel for the owners to install POS’s everywhere. Huge lower bowl like Ginger mentioned, and fairly large club level with a lot of excellent seats for people who can’t afford a suite. The upper deck is insignificant and is probably much cheaper and targeted for giveaways and families on a budget. What a fan-friendly place. Wow. The SaddleDome is ancient, decrepit, and they used to play there in the ‘80’s when they were hot. Back when I used to actually watch hockey. Brilliant place.
Saddledome still has some of the best ice when the player poll is conducted every year.Saddledone is in the 5-10 best ice to play on every year which is the most important part
2:34 Congrats on correctly guessing what arena CSEC meticulously studied prior to designing Scotia Place. LCA was a massive source of inspiration apparently
Love the "shipped in dirt" bit by Ginger. He's right. They're actually creating more work for the construction crew by having the dirt hauled in and setting up that flower bed type base, only to have to haul it away again after the 10 minute ceremony. This is more of a groundadding event than a groundbreaking event. Too funny. Agree with Ginger - just have someone jackhammer out a piece of that asphalt and let the dignitaries scoop up some dirt or chipped rock from underneath.
Maybe so but they don't have a population that loves basketball to support the NBA. If they build that 1 hour fast train between Calgary and Edmonton I could see Calgary and Edmonton sharing an nba team one day
I mean originally the Saddledome shouldnt have had those high press level seats, but they added them for the Olympics. Sure there will be less seats but at least your view won’t be blocked by stupid metal bars and stuff and youll see mostly everything. 400 seats is not that much of a difference when you have thousands of other seats available.
Before you start making videos about citys that you know almost nothing about you might want to check facts on the city. You say Calgary is to small of a city so we can not get an NBA team 1.35 million people you then talk about Oklahoma population 1 million. NBA wouldn't do well here because Basketball sucks. Id go on with the endless errors but Im board now.
There was an unofficial sod turning over a month ago on the site. It was to remove a century-old tree. There are images where I swear the exterior of Scotia Place has the look of a cowboy hat. I was also hoping Rogers would have put their name on this place and call it 'Rogers Garden' or something like that. Meanwhile in Edmonton, they have to find a way to install over 50 more seats at Rogers Place to make it bigger than Calgary. It would be nice to see NBA in Calgary but it would be a scheduling disaster (sounds like the Vancouver Grizzlies) with the Flames, Wranglers (AHL), Roughnecks (NLL), and Hitmen (WHL) all playing in there. Look at all the food trucks parked outside the building. I wonder if the new Green Line C-Train will have direct access from the station (which is underground) to the arena? The video presentation showed what they called 'Top Tier Concerts' playing in the building - NICKELBACK. Yes, the most hated rock in THEIR OWN PROVINCE was featured on the video. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Salt Lake City has had a team since the late 1970’s. I would have thought Edmonton would have been a better NBA market but it’s around the same size as Calgary anyway.
Saddledome was the best arena in the w9rld when it was built. It was built for the 1988 Olympic winter games in Calgary
looks like flames around the building... really cool
It’s has leds in it like the Vegas spheres so they can change it to anything
I hope they host the 2028 world juniors in Edmonton and Calgary
Flames arena - lighting makes it look like flames of a fire. Well thought out for this specific team.
It’s a led screen it can be changed to anything
Saddledome was very cool design. At one time the Saddledome was the best hockey arena in the world, it was built for the 1988 winter Olympics in Calgary
Calgary isn’t a small city. It has 1.8 million people. There is an entertainment district being built there right now around the arena. The arena is one of many big scale projects. BMO expansion, Arts Commons, Calgary central library, Studio Bell Canada music hall of fame, Green Line LRT, Contemporary Art gallery.
That's still pretty small for a metro area with a major sports team. Most have at least 2 million.
@@EvanEscher one of the fastest growing citys on earth
Looks sick. And the price tag is amazing in 2024.
Calgary's population is projected to be 1.8 million people as of July of this year. Its not that small of a city. Also the total price tag of the arena and area (new underpasses, road work needed) is priced at 1.3 billion.
It's small by American standards if you factor in the total metro area population. Not just the main city.
Sure it's small when comparing to New York, LA, Chicago or Toronto, but a city close to 2 million people I wouldn't consider small. It's not like it's the size of Winnipeg. Wish the NBA would come to Calgary, but ginger is right, not happening in my life time considering larger cities like Seattle don't have a team.
@@KyleTravis-l5kI wish there was an NBA or even a G league level basketball league in Canada. There's enough cities to make it work, problem is I don't know if there's enough money.
@EvanEscher yep, and in the US they have a way larger population base to pull from outside of their cities metro areas. Calgary's metro population is 1.8 million, but outside of that area you have no other significant populated areas for hundreds of KM's in every direction
I think he was talking US dollars. 1.3 billion is Canadian.
That arena for that price?! It's an absolute steal. Design wise of the glacier look is by far the better option imo
It sounds like construction and labor (oops, I meant "labour") costs in Alberta are much more manageable than in Quebec, Ontario, BC, etc...
I suspect cost overruns will bring the price tag higher by the time this arena nears completion. It never fails to cost more to the taxpayers after all is said and done!
This is a waste of taxpayer money
@@CreightonRabs edmonton built theirs 10 years ago for $500 mil i believe
@@ChanT3cry about it
They should call it. The fire place.
I’m leaning towards calling it the Burn ward or Bon fire
as a civil engineer it hurts me hearing you call asphalt concrete 30 times towards the end of the video, but great video and thanks for covering the new arena! pumped for it!
It's a beauty.
Calgary is not a small city it's approaching 2 million. It grew by 100,000 people last year.
Its the fastest growing city in Canada.
For the same price the Chiefs are willing to pave a parking lot and put in a new scoreboard
Mahomes restructured contract lol
Too small ? More people than the Oklahoma City metro area inside city limits.
What's too small?
Calgary has more people than several NBA cities right now.
@@johnholstpopulation doesn't mean as much as Basketball fans and by Basketball fans I mean people who are willing to put up $5k to $20k for season tickets every year and then thousands more to fill up the luxury boxes. Calgary just doesn't have that big of a Basketball fan base. Vancouver and Toronto both got raw deals when they came in as expansion teams but as we saw even Vancouver couldn't cut it as an NBA city. The first year everyone was gung ho but after 3 -4 years of losing attendance started dropping big-time. It's a shame Vancouver couldn't hold onto their NBA team as they were only in Vancouver for 6 seasons and I remember the NBA screwed over Toronto and Vancouver as they made a rule that no expansion team had ever had before that Van & Toronto couldn't have the #1 overall draft pick for something like 5 years (I can't remember the exact number of years but it was something like 5 years give or take a year) Vancouver finished in last place in 1995/96 and if allowed they would have had the best chance to draft Allen Iverson. Instead the 76ers who finished 2nd last got to draft Allen Iverson and the rest is history.
@@misguidedangel6550 No, you're absolutely right. It's not just population. I think people in this post just wanted to point out Ginger thinks Calgary is a small town. It isn't.
@@misguidedangel6550Canada should have their OWN pro baseball and basketball leagues instead of sharing with the US. It would actually be better for Canada That way, because Vancouver Edmonton Calgary Winnipeg Saskatoon Halifax whatever, would have teams instead of having nothing at all (because a sports league can't just endlessly create expansion teams to give every city a team) I get why Ice Hockey needs to be shared it's Canada's game but needs the US larger population and money
Love this design with the exterior lights. You should cover the entertainment district they're trying to put around the United Center.
Yeah, Reinsdork and Rocky's Kid are planning a massive entertainment district but no corresponding new arena? What's up with that?
@@CreightonRabs Ooooooeeeeeee....what's up with that....what's up with that.....What's up.....I say what's uuuuup......What is up with that - what is up with that - what is up with that.......They're building a new distriiiict....but no new arenaaaaaaaaa......Yeah!
@@michaelmarkowski204 Thanks for wasting everyone's time with that half-assed non-answer.
@@CreightonRabs I'd say my post cleared the top of your head by at least 3 feet.
The arena itself is 800m but the entire project is 1.2 billion so there will be an entertainment district around it
Love your sports content Ginger. You're right..Calgary won't get an NBA team any time soon. But it does have a larger metro population than several current NBA cities. And it ain't cheap to live there anymore.
Is it me, or is it weird that quite a few of the Canadian stadiums and arenas all seem to have the same mega-companies snagging naming rights? Between Scotiabank and Rogers, the arena names almost feel cookie cutter and generic.
Regarding Scotiabank Arena... It will always be Air Canada Centre to me. Regarding Rogers Centre... It will always be SkyDome.
Well, that tells you which companies are making the most coin in this country. ;P
there are 3 scotia arenas and 2 rogers
You’re not wrong. It’s like playing Monopoly.
There is a casino there already and a convention centre. There is a proposed hotel that has approval already. This arena is located on the grounds of the Calgary Stampede. Within a few blocks is the national music centre and a state of the art library. There are infrastructure projects including train and car access the brings the actual cost up closer to 1.3 billion dollars. There are a few details that maybe you don't have access to I guess.
Massive retail mall and hotel complex being built simultaniously in the same area
Probably at the Saddledome site after it's demolished....?
@@michaelmarkowski204 um no, the dome may stay for a while. I speak of the area north and west, train station area
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Saddledome site is likely going to be turned into an empty lot. The Stampede (basically a state fair) takes place in that area so they need to keep a huge chunk of land along the river as basically a parking lot so they can install the midway etc.
Sears, mervens and JC penny wow. I’m sure it will be a hit
@@DerekLFosterAren’t those stores on the decline though ?
It looks cheap, because they already own the land. It's situated on the 'Stampede Grounds' with Red and Green line train stations to the west and north.
Metro Oklahoma City population is 1.4 million. Metro Calgary population is over 1.6 million and is the fastest growing metro area in Canada.
Reminds me more of the T-mobile arenas in KC and Vegas
At night it’s gonna looks very cool
Looks good. I hope they build a modern arena district around it. There is a lot of available space around the arena site.
Most of that space south of the arena needs to stay vacant since it's the Stampede fairgrounds site. The immediate area north is expected to be part of a developed district though, one of the city's issues right now is that there isn't enough hotel space available downtown to take full advantage of the new convention centre so there's a significant need to construct spin-off services.
You’re comments show you clearly know nothing about Canada and the city of Calgary do research before making videos
You realize an NBA arena with capacity of 18k is smaller than an NHL rink with 18k?
And alot of wrestling will be in that arena Calgary is a huge wrestling city
Construction is not cheaper in Canada then the USA lmao
Land is cheaper
Too small of a city? Metro population is 1.7 million
There's no window at that one end, just a wall. There's only one premium level in this arena between the upper and lower seating bowls with 52 suites along the north, east, and south sides, with theatre boxes on the west side. The upper seating bowl is split by the upper concourse into two levels. Calgary is western Canada's distribution hub, so building materials are easier to come by here, plus our building taxes are low as well.
The arena is already in the Stampede Park. Why would they overshadow that with an arena district
Looks really nice and for a great price
@gagnarork have you seen Bidenonics and Trudeau’s inflation? Cmon now son it ain’t 2002 anymore
Those aren’t windows those are fireballS
With the way Stampede Park is built already, there isn't really space for a true "arena district" especially with the BMO Centre expansion that just finished, the angle of the river and the CP train line being as close as they are. The area the new Green Line LRT will pass through is also where a lot of a district would go. Who knows what they do with the land whre the Dome is currently though. I just wonder how much the Stampede Committee is willing to have bars they don't control on their land, especially when that's prime real estate for tents during the Stampede.
I would like to see the Calgary Flames win a game and turn Scotia Place red, just like the Golden 1 Center in Sacramento,when the NBA's Sacramento Kings they also win games and they light up the purple beam after the game
It's cool when they light a flame on the Calgary tower when they win the Grey Cup or win a playoff round
They need a new one, the saddle dome is old. Of course the building has to be named after a bank as usual
What’s wrong with the Saddle Dome? I know it is over 40 years old but why not just renovate it ?
@@RYMAN1321The cement on the roof is collapsing and its already the second oldest stadium in the NHL. Unlike what theyre doing with MSG in New York, they arent willing to pay more for a stadium that was built in the 80s. Its time for a change.
@@RYMAN1321 I Can Say The Same.
The high rise apartments referred to in this video near the new arena are called the Arriva Tower complex. They technically started the boom in condominium development in Calgary around 2006. Expecting a lot more development in this area now that the BMO centre was recently completed that will connect to the new arena.
People are already calling it the Fireplace.
I really enjoy your World Trade Center-Twin Towers videos.
Scotiabank and Rogers have their names on a number of Canadian stadiums: Scotiabank Arena (Leafs/Raptors), Rogers Centre (Jays), Rogers Place (Oilers), Scotiabank Saddledome / Scotia Place (Flames), Rogers Arena (Canucks). BCE (Bell Canada Enterprises) gets in there with only one - Bell Centre (Canadiens).
I live in Calgary and I’m liking both the interior and exterior of the new arena
Is Calgary really close to the mountains?
Flame re-build should be done by the time its built. And F the nba. As van. showed western canada doesn't care about boring nba. Keep it in t o.
Nba gotta be the most boring league ever. I cant wait for the Flames to make the playoffs again.
Nice job on this one. Can’t say it reminds me particularly of anything, it seems so unique. It’s warm and inviting, which is exactly what those people need when it’s 15° Fahrenheit outside. Has the same inviting principle that a lodge would have at a ski resort. Definitely blends with the environment, which is an advanced architectural principle. Wanting to do it and actually pulling it off is huge.
The inside was built for the fans also, not as a vessel for the owners to install POS’s everywhere. Huge lower bowl like Ginger mentioned, and fairly large club level with a lot of excellent seats for people who can’t afford a suite. The upper deck is insignificant and is probably much cheaper and targeted for giveaways and families on a budget. What a fan-friendly place. Wow. The SaddleDome is ancient, decrepit, and they used to play there in the ‘80’s when they were hot. Back when I used to actually watch hockey. Brilliant place.
Saddledome still has some of the best ice when the player poll is conducted every year.Saddledone is in the 5-10 best ice to play on every year which is the most important part
Scotia place > Roger’s place
Calgary isn't a small city,
It has a population of around 1.8 mill.
2:34 Congrats on correctly guessing what arena CSEC meticulously studied prior to designing Scotia Place.
LCA was a massive source of inspiration apparently
Love the "shipped in dirt" bit by Ginger. He's right. They're actually creating more work for the construction crew by having the dirt hauled in and setting up that flower bed type base, only to have to haul it away again after the 10 minute ceremony. This is more of a groundadding event than a groundbreaking event. Too funny. Agree with Ginger - just have someone jackhammer out a piece of that asphalt and let the dignitaries scoop up some dirt or chipped rock from underneath.
What is this guy talking about $800 mil being a low price? What other arena's did he look at to consider that cheap?
That 800 mill will be well over a billion when it's all said and done
Also, that's $800M Canadian dollars. With today's exchange rate, it's only around $580M U.S. dollars, though they'll probably go over-budget.
Where do you see the glacier icy look? I really do not see it.
THE FURNACE should be its name on game night
Please make more normal videos like this
So Far, So Good!
Much better design.
I hope it comes true
1.14 Billion for the total project
Calgary has bigger population then Oklahoma City
Maybe so but they don't have a population that loves basketball to support the NBA. If they build that 1 hour fast train between Calgary and Edmonton I could see Calgary and Edmonton sharing an nba team one day
Nobody wants an NBA team here. The NBA is garbage.
Those corporate logos make stadiums and arenas look tacky. Hopefully seating is good.
Only one who forgot he did sports suff
Should be Called scotiabank arena
Does not resemble anything to rep the stampede city
Why can’t this arena have a scoreboard like the new Induit arena?
"You can build more for less in a place like that".. WTF are you talking about
Edmonton leads, Calgary follows
That is most ugliest beautiful arena i ever seen it so it get A+ & F-
Hm, very Interesting...
Low cost my foot 800,000,000$ thats alot of money to build a sports arena.
Calgary is too small of a city at nearly 2mil people? The NBA would never go there, but the size of the city isn't the reason.
Those banners don’t look safe lol
yes but the new arenas gonna have less seats than the dome? i know we need a new arena but with less seats???
400 less seats. Makes non difference at all.
@@oscargoldman4867 I’m Albertan, you should expect a reaction like this 💀
I mean originally the Saddledome shouldnt have had those high press level seats, but they added them for the Olympics. Sure there will be less seats but at least your view won’t be blocked by stupid metal bars and stuff and youll see mostly everything. 400 seats is not that much of a difference when you have thousands of other seats available.
Isn't it interesting that billionaire owners need taxpayers to foot the bill for their new arena?
Not rare in CANADA! $8 million
The NBA has no desire to be in Calgary, more less anybody else.
We prefer literate people.
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What about the Calgary wranglers where would they play in 2027
The Flames and Wranglers already share the Dome, they'd presumably just carry on with the same arrangement in the new arena.
Same place as the Flames why wud that change?
@@misguidedangel6550 ok
i thought this channel switched to politics 🤣
Sports and Politics
The corporate welfare dome!
You don't like any old areanas.
Too small of a city?
Isn’t that special?
Thank God what a great looking building good riddance saddledome
Before you start making videos about citys that you know almost nothing about you might want to check facts on the city. You say Calgary is to small of a city so we can not get an NBA team 1.35 million people you then talk about Oklahoma population 1 million. NBA wouldn't do well here because Basketball sucks. Id go on with the endless errors but Im board now.
There was an unofficial sod turning over a month ago on the site. It was to remove a century-old tree.
There are images where I swear the exterior of Scotia Place has the look of a cowboy hat. I was also hoping Rogers would have put their name on this place and call it 'Rogers Garden' or something like that.
Meanwhile in Edmonton, they have to find a way to install over 50 more seats at Rogers Place to make it bigger than Calgary.
It would be nice to see NBA in Calgary but it would be a scheduling disaster (sounds like the Vancouver Grizzlies) with the Flames, Wranglers (AHL), Roughnecks (NLL), and Hitmen (WHL) all playing in there.
Look at all the food trucks parked outside the building.
I wonder if the new Green Line C-Train will have direct access from the station (which is underground) to the arena?
The video presentation showed what they called 'Top Tier Concerts' playing in the building - NICKELBACK. Yes, the most hated rock in THEIR OWN PROVINCE was featured on the video. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Calgary doesn't have the population of basketball fans to support NBA not even close
Salt Lake City has had a team since the late 1970’s. I would have thought Edmonton would have been a better NBA market but it’s around the same size as Calgary anyway.
IMO gross design.
Good thing ur opinion means 💩 then 😂
@@misguidedangel6550 Obviously.