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I imagine that anyone who is terrified of a camera is likely to be doing something they shouldn't be doing. There could be a few who are just very private people and wouldn't like being recorded, but those people are unlikely to walk up to the camera and cause a scene if that was the case.
I think you missed something very crucial. The police body cam caught the officer during the arrest saying your first amendment auditor. This means the cop knew he was not casing the joint. Which removes the suspicion element you mentioned in Terry versus Ohio
I agree that the officer did not reasonably suspect this man of criminal activity. As was pointed out in the video though, the police don't need to suspect it is the most likely thing. Just that it is one reasonable possibility. The officer theoretically could have suspected him of multiple things, to varying degrees.
@eringallagher9381 wrong. They have to have the evidence, first hand, to come to that conclusion. Just because someone reported it isn't enough. If they had gone to the bank and asked to see the videos of him being there multiple times, then they would have enough as they know the evidence is there. Arresting or detaining based on the belief that the evidence COULD exist isn't.
@@phoenixash8514 they don't need first hand evidence in order to have reasonable suspicion. A named witness is good enough. An anonymous caller is not enough.
They were only "nice" bcuz the auditor was disarming and cordial. But as soon as he drew the line by asserting his rights, their true colors showed themselves. *DISGUSTING*
@tmm0042 huh? I NEVER needed a cop. NEVER called them. But guess what? If I ever do, they HAVE to come. And I HATE cops!!! Too bad the world doesn't work how your childish, feeble brain wishes it did. I pay taxes, which pay for their salaries. U sound like a 5 year old. Grow up.
lol......he gave it up. He was booked in as a John Doe, that is why his bad says that........he gave up his name before being released 100%. He just trying to act hard.
@shawn6986 no he was held in a holding cell with no charges ever being brought therefore he was never booked. It says John doe because he never gave them his real name.
Congratulations to this auditor!! He stuck to his rights and didn’t cave. I hope he pursues every legal action available to him to teach those thugs a lesson on the constitution.
@@chris6634he's not the one that gave it the grade..... he's just capable of understanding the concept. In a world where cops flat out murder people, this would be a C. No one getting murdered is a C
Yes. An automatic *F.* Period. And not helping a cop look for reasons to arrest you by giving them ID so they can more easily look for warrants (look for reasons to arrest you) isn't a crime in a free society, and I don't care what the "Law" says about that. Government ALWAYS makes excuses to ignore the rights of the people under the guise of "Law".
The cop was chill admitted that he isn’t suspicious of a crime, then arrested him for failure ID because he was suspicious that a crime could be committed. Instant F
@@bigdre247 Casing a building, in itself, is generally not a crime because it often involves legal activities like observing a property or taking notes, which are not inherently illegal. However, casing becomes legally problematic if it is accompanied by other actions or evidence of criminal intent.
17:00 Terry v Ohio is a VERY different "lesson". it established that a suspicious person can be frisked. It was in the frisking that they discovered both suspects had guns. In the Terry v Ohio case, there were multiple points of suspicion that led to suspicion of criminal intent. That was COMPLETELY different than this man simply and peacefully exercising his freedom of the press.
Just because the cops were polite at the beginning, and just because they were allowed to make contact, the minute they arrested him for not providing ID, they get an F.
@@MDbandit10 so all the auditors that I have seen filming banks and everyone knows who they are...could be arrested for failure to ID?...he said a court could find they had reasonable suspicion while on a public side walk....so witch is it?...does it just depend??
@@MDbandit10… Audit The Audit ALL TOO OFTEN sides with cops. That’s why it’s so frustrating when he proposes that a court may find in favor of the police, like he initially (and INCORRECTLY) did with the case of Turner vs. Driver, of which the first ruling against Phillip Turner was ultimately overturned by a higher district court, and eventually became case law FOR filming police in Texas…(which Audit The Audit conveniently NEVER mentioned!)
@@michaeldumas4907 chill,, I'm on your side. I'm only tell you what AUDIT THE AUDI T said. I say AtA got it wrong!! I don't believe courts would side with the cops. If RAS is that low, any time you filming a business cops can say you are casing it as RAS to stop, detain ID.
@@MDbandit10 there is nothing to chill about...lol...I am nor arguing any position...I just don't understand how the law is applied. I thought you might know...ADA brought some good points based on the case law...I never knew this.
@@bjornyesterday2562 I assume their reasoning for using such liberal grading structures with the police they feature, is because otherwise every single cop would receive an F, and the grading structure would be essentially meaningless. They should go negative with the ratings. Like a -C. Note; I'm not saying C-, but even lower, a -C. Or make it out of 10.0. They really need to start grading on a curve for U.S police, because you're right, it's kind of insulting to give a cop whose blatantly committing criminal acts, and ruining lives, a B. And then making matters worse they inexplicably give the regular dude a D for not accepting the b.s more enthusiastically.
He didn't all the person had to do was give his ID and he's be on his way, he was "stalking" those locations that's reasonable suspicion of planning a crime.
I don't think they intimidated him or anyone to be honest, with their little whiny voices. They want to intimidate but don't have the ability. And yes the C was incredibly generous.
The problem with the police being able to infringe on your rights simply because they received a phone call is it can easily be abused. What’s to stop the police from having a professional “concerned citizen” place calls to the police station regarding anyone/everyone they want to check ID on? “Can you place an anonymous call saying there’s a guy at the intersection of 22nd and Smith. Say he looks suspicious. We want to run his ID.”
What’s to stop the police from having a professional “concerned citizen” place calls to the police station regarding anyone/everyone they want to check ID on? “Can you place an anonymous call saying there’s a guy at the intersection of 22nd and Smith. Say he looks suspicious. We want to run his ID.”
@Masterdeath16 How can a legal arrest be made if no laws were, or even going to be broken in the first place. Just can't and it's simply a case of forced abduction under the threat of violence.
@@valentinius62 his failure to id/obstruct was his crime. Turner V. Driver allows police in the 5th circuit to detain and investigate suspicious recording.
@@MDbandit10no they didn’t, which is why they was told to bring him back, once they’re supervised found out what was going on. And also why he had no charges
@@justanothergoogleaccount3877 He had 2 chevrons which is Corporal rank and 3 service stripes on his sleeve. In the Army that would be between 9 years and 11 years and 364 days. I'm guessing it's 5 years per stripe for that police department which would be between 15 and 19 years and 364 days. So it would check out.
Anything above an f is unacceptable when cops arrest somebody and then they released without charges after 2 hours. That should be proof enough that they were in the wrong.
@@_D_E_N_N_I_S_so accordingly in school, 1+1=3 would be a "C" grade and 1+1=13 would be an "F" just because of the bigger difference. Yup, makes sense to me.😂😂😂😂
After watching this channel for countless episodes it still amazes me that many law enforcement officers don't seem to realize how cameras and the law works.
Even if cops know, they don't have to follow the law or respect rights themselves, so it really doesn't matter. Cops have QI (Qualified Immunity), so they'll get away with nearly everything.
Minor mistakes in law by a private citizen: Grade drops to a B. Major constitutional violations by veteran law enforcement officers: Grade drops to a C. Seems rather imbalanced...
@sleezyclips8068 If there is any vagueness in a law, the law must be interpreted favorably to the citizen, not law enforcement. There's no "major mistake" in the law, just major mistakes in how it is interpreted by law enforcement, which is another mark against the LEOs in this case.
@@phukyerpheefees what? You said it’s a minor mistake in law by a private citizen. I’m saying it’s a major mistake by private citizens. Not understanding RAS and PC is the foundation for all 4th am. rights. If you want to be an auditor and don’t understand that, you’re going to end up in jail.
@@phukyerpheefees yeah, walking around a place filming is enough for RAS. Especially if that place is a bank or something. There’s even been a supreme court case on casing joints, specifically. You don’t have to break the law to give a cop RAS. And btw, I’m not on the cops side. I’m an attorney and I just get tired of auditors not understanding this fundamental part of the law.
@@wsb4586I'm pretty sure what he was arguing is that the guy wouldn't be out there with a camera filming so conspicuously when he could just use Google Maps or Google Earth
This one’s bull sh it. You can’t have constitutional protections and then have state laws/statutes/ordinances circumventing the constitutional protections. 1. No nefarious person(s), outside of a few Hollywood movies, has ever cased their intended target business, residents, building by standing out in plain sight on a public path with members of the public all around with a video recording device plainly visible for all to see. 2. The culture of policing is such that, just like in this video, the vast majority of “peace officers” have no interest in keeping the peace or serving their community; they’ve been programmed to be hammers and every single person in every single situation is a nail. Even worse, most departments are run like fast paced factories; you can make $60k/yr by being a peace officer or you can make $120k/yr if you generate an over abundance of revenue through tickets, asset forfeitures, arrests (because prisons are “for profit” now) and increasing the govts database of everyone in their jurisdiction by identifying as many ppl as is possible. 3. This is a perfect example of US citizens believing they live in a free and just society when it is anything but. “Back the blue…until it happens to you”
You gave a C? A man got his hands bound, kidnapped, put in a cage, and dumped in a parking lot hours later and the cops get a passing grade? Tolerance for bad policing is why we have bad policing.
@bobbywhite1645 You must be new new to this channel. Can't even count how many F's and how he goes in on cops not knowing shit. This channel is far from "bootlicking." Yes, I've disagreed with some of the grades lately. But far from a bootlicker
It’s reflective of much a low bar that RAS is. If other crimes were being committed in the area recently perhaps that would allow them to ask ID. At the end of the day the popo have so many loopholes to use to keep their qualified immunity in tact and get that fix for ID.
@ It’s hard to me to agree with them having RAS. MAYBE RAS for detention.. But there wasn’t any crime to reasonably suspect a crime was being committed. If someone called due to his skin, rather than his camera… is it still reasonable? They’re both legal activities.
@@dirtmcgirt168yes they can ASSSSKKKKKKK but police still can’t forcibly take ID from you and arrest you for not complying IF THEY DONT UAVE PROOF YOU ARE THE GUY WHO JUST COMMITTED A CRIME!!!! Why is this so hard to understand? STILL in your example, the police can ASK…. And I CAN refuse all lawfully. But in reality, that’s not how things operate. Everything is ruled by evil, deception and suffering. The government is the worst, and largest criminal enterprise ever to exist and always will be. (I’m not even saying I’m AGAINST that… I think things should change for more balance as nothing will be perfect, however I understand the NEED for mortal earth to be ruled by evil deception and suffering. As we can then fulfill our purpose ((what Christian’s would say faith and going to heaven or something)) Which is simply to REJECT evil, EXPOSE deceit and ENDURE suffering. Don’t EVER trust ANYTHING. Not even your own eyes or thoughts. At least not FULLY. Because nothing is EVVVVEEERRRR as it seems or as it’s written on paper. People act like the law is the end all be all…. They act like laws aren’t purposefully not enforced or overly illegally enforced…. They act like government is to “protect and serve the people” just because it’s fucking written down and we can show examples… WE CAN SHOE JUST AS MANY IF NOT MORE EXAMPLES THATS A LOAD OF SHIT! All things in balance…. As it needs to be.
@@DavonsMediayes you are correct. Police can ASK and you can REFUSE. No crime was committed, no crime even REPORTED and the police did have and never COULD have proof this man committed a crime…. I take it as AtA simply stating “the courts MAY also illegally rule in favor of the police and totally trample on your rights.” It’s more of a warning as how REALITY works. Look at my other comment on this thread post, I think you’ll like it.
Yes, those officers are violating his constitutional rights. “Many hours of Constitutional Study” I don’t know of any department / state requirements that has officers taking Constitutional law class. Unless he has gone to college to get his masters degree. LE continued education doesn’t include Constitutional law. I’m retired LE and FTO 35 years. (Not Missouri) These officers are wrong. They need mandatory retraining or unemployment. It’s actions like this that make the public hate Police Officers.
They are proud of their tyranny! Their egos will not allow them to learn anything against their perceived authority. They always tell you who they really are - low IQ thugs in clown costumes with shiny badges. It’s time we believe them and change it!
While Mr. 17 years cop was driving me back to the spot after illegally arresting me and being told by his supervisors to let me go I would have been talking so much crap to him. "17 years huh?" 😂....."So you've been doing your job wrong for 17 years? No wonder you have so few stripes on your uniform".
Kidnapping is a serious charge. If I walked up to him, put him in handcuffs, drove him to my house, and then decided to drive him back. What would happen to me? F
I feel like standing on the road eating a bowl of cereal would be more suspicious than a camera lol. I’ve seen millions people on the street with cameras, video cameras, eyeglasses that record. I don’t ever remember seeing somebody eat a bowl of cereal.
Man’s been doing it for 17 years and this is the first time someone has stood up to him. Obviously not the first time he violated someone’s rights, sad part is many of the people just don’t know they’re rights, and he’s gotten away with this
His long-winded brag on how educated he was and how many years he's been an expert is so laughable that he should quit in shame and probably move out of the country.
It is quite common. Not long ago some judges in the supreme court actually thought that the president has some sort of criminal immunity, which he quite clearly according to the constitution does not. And those judges has some 100 years of experience combined between them.
probably cuz he's been fuggn wit a lot of people cuz they're too scared to call him out on his B$. cops use that talkin point like "we got a call of a suspscious person which u fit the description." Moses happened to be black of course these pigs were goin to mess wit him. it happens every day that they mess wit minorities.
@@Hamsterbytes 5th circuit ruled that recording in a suspicious manner in specific areas is grounds for detention and questioning. From there cops continue their investigation, no rights were violated in the video
@Masterdeath16Oh, really now. So where does the "arrest" part come into play in your little narrative? You do know that questioning and detentions aren't the same thing as arrests, right? At any rate, they had no justification for detaining him in the first place. They already get away with detaining and trying to force ID from people out in public who aren't even doing anything remotely suspicious than merely existing.
@@MDbandit10 in reality they did not. Taking photos outside of bank is irrelevant to RAS. They failed to have one fact that points to a potential crime now or in the future
Not one google statement that has ever happened. Because it doesn’t happen. Only in bankers narrow minds and police sh!tree magazines they read while….well sh!tting.
The cop saying, _"They have the right to be concerned"_ proves that they are only there to protect corporations and the oligarchy and NOT there to protect citizens and their rights.
I think the best thing you can do during an unlawful arrest like this is to tell them what Terry says about detention and reasonable suspicion being required BEFORE detention. If you're in a Stop And Identify state, you need to make sure you establish the officers admitted they didn't have suspicion of criminal activity at the time of arrest but requiring ID based on the "We Got A Call" bull they always use
That was an A+ plus by Mr. Moses he never ID himself. He didn’t even give a name was arrested got no charges and even got a ride back to the original spot. I hope he wins his civil lawsuit.
@@kingofgrim4761 I understand the book is against police yes, and that's all well and good as I'm not a fan of authoritarians, be they cop or commie. So I'm not a fan of the chosen iconography for the book whatsoever. It is what is, intentional or not, that's clearly a symbol of an ideology which is responsible for more deaths than every other ideology in the last 150 years combined. Not exactly a good look for a book.
That just reminds me of a video of one of the people who goes around doing lawns for free and uploading it to UA-cam, who had the cops called on him. One of the reasons being that he wouldn't give his name to the random guy.
Oh Snap!! No crime? No ID. Who else felt really bad for that ignorant and uneducated 17-year veteran? I felt bad for all the victims of it's false arrests and heaven only knows what other illegal crap throughout the years.
My hubby was arrested last Friday night. We live about 400 ft from my cousin. We walk over & play dominoes or cards, every single weekend. He was tired & walked home. An officer turned around on him & arrested him for “alcohol intoxication.” 🤦♀️ We went to court yesterday & waiting on our next court date. The whole interaction was ridiculous. The deputy was a jerk from the word go. I’m flabbergasted it happened & just waiting on our next hearing.
In Polk County Florida, our sheriff is frequently in the media, loving the camera. However, none of his deputies has a body cam, but they also do not have car cams. Let that sink in for transparency
That Sheriff is a grandstanding crook. I ought to not know where Polk County even is, as I sit here in Kansas, but I do because of him. He taints the jury pool with every case, publicly laying out his version of the evidence, true or not, 10 minutes after the arrest.
Treason is outlined in the constitution, this action is not treason. Being an uninformed police officer for 17 years, does not constitute treason. Kidnapping, sure. Harassment, yes. Treason no.
You might think it's suspicious that there's a man in my backyard at 5am. However, I know that's just the new landscaper I hired yesterday. Your "suspicious" is my "normal".
"We got a call" is not against the law, and after 17 years, it's clear this officer has been abusing citizens' rights for years and even proven wrong. He didn't apologize. I am glad KC is suing. His color is suspicious let's keep it real, that's why the cops became aggressive giving the cops a C- is a insult, they were not nice it was a set-up all along only a black person would understand.
@@kylemendoza8860 Maybe, or maybe he is lying about not having any complaints ? Or maybe he works for a rouge department that prefers to cover up their crimes against humanity ?
If "suspicious" is enough to violate someone's rights, then there are no rights. It can be used at any time because reasons.... Should not be subject to interpretation. That excuse can be used every time.
So after being arrested, this guy was not only released -- but the officers were ordered to return him to where they picked him up, and you give them a C. That's asinine. That's hands-down an F.
I just want to say that I appreciate this channel so much. I appreciate all the work put into each video, including the research and explanations for the different laws referenced, the grading of the individuals involved, etc. Thank you so much. 😊
LOL. Sue and then what? It's US - lawyer costs 100$ per hour minimum. The chances of winning this kind of lawsuit is not certain. Even if somehow it's ruled that police broke the law then they would likely get qualified immunity. Meanwhile the whole process would take 2 - 5 years and legal expenses could easily reach 6 digit numbers.
@@Zeroksas More likely they would settle. Hopefully you could get some mandatory training to prevent future incidents. Either way, the cops are NOT required to tell you what they know or how they suspect a crime, and are allowed to flat out lie to you, so if it's a "lawful order" and you don't comply, you will most likely lose.
@@Zeroksasthis is a contingency fee situation. You’re not paying unless you collect. You’re not paying that attorney an hourly wage for this lawsuit. Cmon
My wife teaches at a juvenile detention facility. So many of the kids there love your videos. Wish they knew what to do before they got in trouble. I just bought 2 copies. One for me and one for her classroom. Thanks for all you do.
It’s interesting how different channels view the same situation. ATA and LackLuster handle this completely differently. They seem to give the cops a pass here, but just because it’s “within their rights” doesn’t make it the right thing to do.
Lackluster did not give the cops a pass. He suggested they were wrong. ATA is the one who is giving the cops a pass. The charge (s) were dropped by a superior officer at the jail, who ordered the arresting officer to drop the auditor off at the same location of his arrest. In other words, a prosecutor will not prosecute such a flawed charge. This in itself implies that ATA is wrong in this instance.
Congrats on the book! I wish as a Canadian I had something like this. After years of watching your channel, I know far more about the rights of Americans than my own.
"You can 🙂 But u can't 😐 However u can 🙂 But they'll arrest u anyway 😐 But the courts say u can 🙂 But they also said u can't 😑" Gee I wonder why cops are getting away with all this bllst 🙄
It's just simply crazy that so many law enforcement officers don't seem to understand some of the most basic everyday multiple times a day laws that they are working with. These two clowns have ID people thousands of times, and yet they do not seem to understand when they are allowed to demand ID and when they are not allowed to. Imagine a plumber having put in hundreds of water heaters, and they don't know the proper way to hook up the gas or to vent the unit. A plumber like that we would probably use the name defendant to refer to them.
The bank never said he had filmed there multiple times. They said multiple locations had reported someone who looked like him filming at their locations.
The problem is that the vague "you're acting suspiciously" or the "you may be casing a business" could be used unfairly to detain absolutely anyone out in public.
@@ShooterMcGavin31you cannot say that- you can say it’s not subjectively suspicious to you, but clearly it was subjectively suspicious to others (and certainly enough to call the police in the first place). An opinion does not a fact make.
@ I’m not saying an opinion makes it a fact. My point is the officer gets to decide what is subjectively suspicious and then the court decides whether it’s objectively reasonable. That’s how it works.
@@ShooterMcGavin31 I hear you, but it’s still not objective. Objective is without the influence of personal histories or opinions- jurors are certainly prone to those as well. There is no objective definition of what a person may find suspicious, only majority rule of subjectivity.
I've been in jail for almost 30 days. I was just released at 5:40 on the dot because I went to the public memorial building here in my town where the parks director works so I went in and asked him why the parks are so run down and I wanted to know where all of our public taxes are going and I was next going to go to the Mayor and ask why our roads and sidewalks are so beat up and where are all of our taxes going, but I never made it out of the memorial building because Steve is his name told me "nows not the time that I need an appointment and long story short he called the police the police came and arrested me instantly no questions absolutely nothing just told me to put my hands behind my back i was literally in jail this entire time before I even got a court date "on purpose" saw the judge the judge told me to stay away from there that I'm banned if I go back I'll get 6 months in jail, so I have a lawyer and see where it all goes. My point? This country is gone its smoked and its because it is society who is at fault for continuing to obey, comply, and consent to all of this crap. There are entirely WAY too many obedient cowards in this country today. It's already over. This country makes me absolutely sick anymore. The police state is only going to get worse and worse because humanity refuses to wake tf up and stop being a bunch of obedient cowards and stop living in fear and realize WE ARE the ones in control. Land of the free? 😂 home of the brave? 😂 Absolutely not!
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After giving these thugs a C I don't think anyone in their right mind would trust your book. Bad video to advertise it on.
Congratulations on your book.
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@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic i was going to say 😂a C for an illegal arrest because they were polite at the start haha
Those are some unconstitutional rulings you are reading.
I realize courts gave themselves the authority to interpret whats written in English.
I’ll never understand why cops are so scared of cameras…and acorns.
Because it documents their tyranny against the public.
I imagine that anyone who is terrified of a camera is likely to be doing something they shouldn't be doing. There could be a few who are just very private people and wouldn't like being recorded, but those people are unlikely to walk up to the camera and cause a scene if that was the case.
Rodney King homie that's why they're scared of cameras! Like childish Gambino said it's a tool!!
It's easy to understand if you see it from their shoes where they are conditioned to see everything as a threat
Video evidence comes with accountability for your actions. They cant have that
I think you missed something very crucial. The police body cam caught the officer during the arrest saying your first amendment auditor. This means the cop knew he was not casing the joint. Which removes the suspicion element you mentioned in Terry versus Ohio
I agree that the officer did not reasonably suspect this man of criminal activity. As was pointed out in the video though, the police don't need to suspect it is the most likely thing. Just that it is one reasonable possibility. The officer theoretically could have suspected him of multiple things, to varying degrees.
That’s a great point. He clearly knew no crime was being committed.
@@DavidVUA-cam yes.
@eringallagher9381 wrong. They have to have the evidence, first hand, to come to that conclusion. Just because someone reported it isn't enough. If they had gone to the bank and asked to see the videos of him being there multiple times, then they would have enough as they know the evidence is there. Arresting or detaining based on the belief that the evidence COULD exist isn't.
@@phoenixash8514 they don't need first hand evidence in order to have reasonable suspicion. A named witness is good enough. An anonymous caller is not enough.
They were only "nice" bcuz the auditor was disarming and cordial. But as soon as he drew the line by asserting his rights, their true colors showed themselves. *DISGUSTING*
If you hate cops you should not get police coverage - period
@tmm0042 huh? I NEVER needed a cop. NEVER called them. But guess what? If I ever do, they HAVE to come. And I HATE cops!!! Too bad the world doesn't work how your childish, feeble brain wishes it did. I pay taxes, which pay for their salaries. U sound like a 5 year old. Grow up.
@tmm0042 never needed cops. Never will. They don't help. In fact, they complicate things. 💯
But hey, since they were nice at the beginning, it's ok to violate rights, so they get a C. It's Christmas after all
@@tmm0042 correct. That's the Republican principle: defend yourself, do not rely on public services, which are a communist idea.
Shout out to this guy for not giving up his name or ID.
lol......he gave it up. He was booked in as a John Doe, that is why his bad says that........he gave up his name before being released 100%. He just trying to act hard.
@@shawn6986no reason not to give it once you’re in there, they will get it one way or another. They already earned him a pay day by that point anyway
@shawn6986 you have proof or you're just pulling that out your @$$???
@@shawn6986John Doe is a placeholder name for unidentified male lol
@shawn6986 no he was held in a holding cell with no charges ever being brought therefore he was never booked. It says John doe because he never gave them his real name.
17 yrs of violating citizens rights.
Exactly what I was thinking when he said that.
And proud of it too. That's all we need to know
All that ignorance after 17 Years of training & certificates. He just lost 17 years of credibility for what ever "Certified" him.
So you didn't even listen? He violated zero rights.
@@jules8876 detained without a crime. And arrested for not providing an ID are crimes and rights
Congratulations to this auditor!! He stuck to his rights and didn’t cave. I hope he pursues every legal action available to him to teach those thugs a lesson on the constitution.
Thats not a C, thats an automatic F for false arrest...
It's a "c".
C=average.
This is average.
What i hope he brings up is the constitutionality of demanding id, not just laws.
Laws don't trump constitution
@@JupiterCyclops-l5x If a false arrest is "average" then I hate to see what a fail would be to you.
@@chris6634he's not the one that gave it the grade..... he's just capable of understanding the concept. In a world where cops flat out murder people, this would be a C. No one getting murdered is a C
@@chris6634Probably a beat down
Anytime a cop flat out violates someone's rights is an F
100% agree!
If you're a cop at all, you get an F.
Yes.
Yes. An automatic *F.* Period. And not helping a cop look for reasons to arrest you by giving them ID so they can more easily look for warrants (look for reasons to arrest you) isn't a crime in a free society, and I don't care what the "Law" says about that. Government ALWAYS makes excuses to ignore the rights of the people under the guise of "Law".
He gave them a C!? Absolutely an F anytime rights are violated. That’s BS
The cop was chill admitted that he isn’t suspicious of a crime, then arrested him for failure ID because he was suspicious that a crime could be committed. Instant F
You forgot to mention that Officer Bailey’s supervisor straight up TOLD him he had NO reason to justify an arrest and demanding his ID 🙄🙄🙄
or showing it.
of course cuz he dont wana lawsuit😆
Is the activity of "casing" actually illegal? Seems vague and difficult to prove intent vs "innocent" video recording or observation
@@bigdre247 Casing a building, in itself, is generally not a crime because it often involves legal activities like observing a property or taking notes, which are not inherently illegal.
However, casing becomes legally problematic if it is accompanied by other actions or evidence of criminal intent.
Cops think because they worked for 17 years makes them correct.😂😂
“I’m not gonna have you tell me how to do my job.”
Someone clearly has to!
*America's Dumbest Criminals sadly now are the ones with the badges .*
America's Dumbest Criminals sadly now are the ones with the badges .
*America's Dumbest Criminals sadly now are the ones with the badges .*
....and, since they let Mr. Moses go, someone did.
17:00 Terry v Ohio is a VERY different "lesson". it established that a suspicious person can be frisked. It was in the frisking that they discovered both suspects had guns. In the Terry v Ohio case, there were multiple points of suspicion that led to suspicion of criminal intent. That was COMPLETELY different than this man simply and peacefully exercising his freedom of the press.
Just because the cops were polite at the beginning, and just because they were allowed to make contact, the minute they arrested him for not providing ID, they get an F.
not according to the video, did u watch it?
@@MDbandit10 so all the auditors that I have seen filming banks and everyone knows who they are...could be arrested for failure to ID?...he said a court could find they had reasonable suspicion while on a public side walk....so witch is it?...does it just depend??
@@MDbandit10… Audit The Audit ALL TOO OFTEN sides with cops. That’s why it’s so frustrating when he proposes that a court may find in favor of the police, like he initially (and INCORRECTLY) did with the case of Turner vs. Driver, of which the first ruling against Phillip Turner was ultimately overturned by a higher district court, and eventually became case law FOR filming police in Texas…(which Audit The Audit conveniently NEVER mentioned!)
@@michaeldumas4907 chill,, I'm on your side. I'm only tell you what AUDIT THE AUDI T said. I say AtA got it wrong!! I don't believe courts would side with the cops. If RAS is that low, any time you filming a business cops can say you are casing it as RAS to stop, detain ID.
@@MDbandit10 there is nothing to chill about...lol...I am nor arguing any position...I just don't understand how the law is applied. I thought you might know...ADA brought some good points based on the case law...I never knew this.
if they undoubtedly violated someone's rights... instant F
Exactly. Only 2 grades. A, or F
Right!
The arrogance and ignorance spewed from these Cops is on another level. Appeal to credentialism is such a joke.
@@bjornyesterday2562 I assume their reasoning for using such liberal grading structures with the police they feature, is because otherwise every single cop would receive an F, and the grading structure would be essentially meaningless. They should go negative with the ratings. Like a -C. Note; I'm not saying C-, but even lower, a -C. Or make it out of 10.0. They really need to start grading on a curve for U.S police, because you're right, it's kind of insulting to give a cop whose blatantly committing criminal acts, and ruining lives, a B. And then making matters worse they inexplicably give the regular dude a D for not accepting the b.s more enthusiastically.
He didn't all the person had to do was give his ID and he's be on his way, he was "stalking" those locations that's reasonable suspicion of planning a crime.
@@sackeshi yep it certainly would be a lot easier if he just voluntarily gave up his 4th amendment right 🤦 come on now
A+ to the civilian..... F to the police.
F-
I'd give him an A or A- solely because the Miranda Warning mistake was a demonstration of him violating the law
Nah, they get an F for a BS arrest.
They are just baiting for comments like this and me to comment this...
@@SkyAnggelo it worked!
The C rating is very baffling. They arrested the guy and brought him back because there was nothing to charge him with. They just intimidated him.
I don't think they intimidated him or anyone to be honest, with their little whiny voices. They want to intimidate but don't have the ability. And yes the C was incredibly generous.
Kidnapped
That's why I can't stand watching this channel. I still watch videos that pop up but the reasoning this channel gives is ridiculous.
@@JenniferMidwest😂😂 Okay.
Just watch what a F is.
Then you get it.
The problem with the police being able to infringe on your rights simply because they received a phone call is it can easily be abused.
What’s to stop the police from having a professional “concerned citizen” place calls to the police station regarding anyone/everyone they want to check ID on?
“Can you place an anonymous call saying there’s a guy at the intersection of 22nd and Smith. Say he looks suspicious. We want to run his ID.”
"I have been misrepresenting the law for 17 years." isnt the flex he thinks it is...
well he ain’t say it like that so no shit he ain’t gonna think like that or think a thought that hasn’t been thought
@@mikookii you should try thinkin throughts
What’s to stop the police from having a professional “concerned citizen” place calls to the police station regarding anyone/everyone they want to check ID on?
“Can you place an anonymous call saying there’s a guy at the intersection of 22nd and Smith. Say he looks suspicious. We want to run his ID.”
Moses gets an A + for not backing down one inch and remaining John Doe.
Audit the audit regularly gets an F from me.
@@aussiespoon8481why do you watch it then?
@@aussiespoon8481I agree.
@@curtisj2165Brown nose
His ignorance of some laws does not earn a A+
Dude gets an A ... he stood ten toes down ... never buckled
Illegal arrests should always be a F
@@jeromejohnson6186 it wasnt illegal…
@Masterdeath16Really? Then why did they release him without charges and even drive him back to where they kidnapped him? 🤔
@@valentinius62 cops can release you without any charges even if the arrest was legal. They arent mutually exclusive
@Masterdeath16 How can a legal arrest be made if no laws were, or even going to be broken in the first place. Just can't and it's simply a case of forced abduction under the threat of violence.
@@valentinius62 his failure to id/obstruct was his crime. Turner V. Driver allows police in the 5th circuit to detain and investigate suspicious recording.
Cops violate rights, refuse to listen, refuse to call in a supervisor, kidnap a law abiding citizen. Grade: C.... WTF!!!
you have to actually watch the video. AtA said cops had a right to detain and ID. since he refused, they have right to take him to jail
Refuse to “investigate” and just make asinine conclusions
@@MDbandit10
And the right to release without RAS
@@MDbandit10no they didn’t, which is why they was told to bring him back, once they’re supervised found out what was going on. And also why he had no charges
He’s a known bootlicker .. he pretty much said her cops can demand ID anytime they want … he’s trash
You wrong on this Audit, false imprisonment is definitely worth a F grade.
The fact that they didn't press charges speaks volumes.
That one cop....17 years and he's still not even a sergeant. America's finest.....
If that's true, how embarrassing 😂.
He was probably demoted.
But he does represent the lollipop guild so all is well
@@justanothergoogleaccount3877 He had 2 chevrons which is Corporal rank and 3 service stripes on his sleeve. In the Army that would be between 9 years and 11 years and 364 days. I'm guessing it's 5 years per stripe for that police department which would be between 15 and 19 years and 364 days. So it would check out.
Still watching, but AtA edited out the part where he was asked "if you were born 3 years ago l, how old would you be.
He gets an A, not a B. He was right. No crime, just filming in public does not mean we have to show our papers.
Exactly and what is the reasonable suspicion for him casing the store? Broad daylight filming while black? He was 100% within his rights
Anything above an f is unacceptable when cops arrest somebody and then they released without charges after 2 hours. That should be proof enough that they were in the wrong.
AtA clearly said cops had reasonable suspicion to detain and ID
@MDbandit10 and being released without charges means their superiors disagree.
Unfortunately, rights violations like this are average. There has to be a lower grade for the really bad stuff .
@@_D_E_N_N_I_S_so accordingly in school, 1+1=3 would be a "C" grade and 1+1=13 would be an "F" just because of the bigger difference. Yup, makes sense to me.😂😂😂😂
@@MDbandit10he said they yes but they actually didn't.
After watching this channel for countless episodes it still amazes me that many law enforcement officers don't seem to realize how cameras and the law works.
Oh they know exactly how it works. They do whatever they want, and there are no consequences. That's how the law works.
Even if cops know, they don't have to follow the law or respect rights themselves, so it really doesn't matter. Cops have QI (Qualified Immunity), so they'll get away with nearly everything.
Qualified immunity. They simply don't care.
How can you say you’re giving them a C. This is most definitely an F!!
Minor mistakes in law by a private citizen: Grade drops to a B.
Major constitutional violations by veteran law enforcement officers: Grade drops to a C.
Seems rather imbalanced...
It’s a major mistake in law though. The whole mindset of “is suspicious a crime” is what gets most of these auditors in trouble.
@sleezyclips8068
If there is any vagueness in a law, the law must be interpreted favorably to the citizen, not law enforcement.
There's no "major mistake" in the law, just major mistakes in how it is interpreted by law enforcement, which is another mark against the LEOs in this case.
@@phukyerpheefees what? You said it’s a minor mistake in law by a private citizen. I’m saying it’s a major mistake by private citizens. Not understanding RAS and PC is the foundation for all 4th am. rights. If you want to be an auditor and don’t understand that, you’re going to end up in jail.
@sleezyclips8068
They had no reasonable articulable suspicion.
@@phukyerpheefees yeah, walking around a place filming is enough for RAS. Especially if that place is a bank or something. There’s even been a supreme court case on casing joints, specifically. You don’t have to break the law to give a cop RAS.
And btw, I’m not on the cops side. I’m an attorney and I just get tired of auditors not understanding this fundamental part of the law.
If someone were "casing the place," they wouldn't do it so conspicuously
goggle maps and street view have been around for years.
@@DiZZoLabs The whole point of auditing is to test cop awareness and escalation based on citizens' civil rights. So, no.
@@wsb4586 smh, thanks for the education bro
@@wsb4586I'm pretty sure what he was arguing is that the guy wouldn't be out there with a camera filming so conspicuously when he could just use Google Maps or Google Earth
@@shirleyelliott2985 Oops, I likely missed that one.
This one’s bull sh it. You can’t have constitutional protections and then have state laws/statutes/ordinances circumventing the constitutional protections.
1. No nefarious person(s), outside of a few Hollywood movies, has ever cased their intended target business, residents, building by standing out in plain sight on a public path with members of the public all around with a video recording device plainly visible for all to see.
2. The culture of policing is such that, just like in this video, the vast majority of “peace officers” have no interest in keeping the peace or serving their community; they’ve been programmed to be hammers and every single person in every single situation is a nail. Even worse, most departments are run like fast paced factories; you can make $60k/yr by being a peace officer or you can make $120k/yr if you generate an over abundance of revenue through tickets, asset forfeitures, arrests (because prisons are “for profit” now) and increasing the govts database of everyone in their jurisdiction by identifying as many ppl as is possible.
3. This is a perfect example of US citizens believing they live in a free and just society when it is anything but. “Back the blue…until it happens to you”
You gave a C? A man got his hands bound, kidnapped, put in a cage, and dumped in a parking lot hours later and the cops get a passing grade? Tolerance for bad policing is why we have bad policing.
You're 100% right. This channel is all about bootlicking
@@bobbywhite1645 how in the hell is this channel bootlicking officers?? Quite the opposite.
@tucker.84 absolutely not, this narrator contradicts himself from video to video
They get an F -
@bobbywhite1645 You must be new new to this channel. Can't even count how many F's and how he goes in on cops not knowing shit. This channel is far from "bootlicking." Yes, I've disagreed with some of the grades lately. But far from a bootlicker
Any unreasonable arrest should get a F😂
It’s reflective of much a low bar that RAS is. If other crimes were being committed in the area recently perhaps that would allow them to ask ID. At the end of the day the popo have so many loopholes to use to keep their qualified immunity in tact and get that fix for ID.
@ It’s hard to me to agree with them having RAS. MAYBE RAS for detention.. But there wasn’t any crime to reasonably suspect a crime was being committed. If someone called due to his skin, rather than his camera… is it still reasonable? They’re both legal activities.
@@dirtmcgirt168yes they can ASSSSKKKKKKK but police still can’t forcibly take ID from you and arrest you for not complying IF THEY DONT UAVE PROOF YOU ARE THE GUY WHO JUST COMMITTED A CRIME!!!!
Why is this so hard to understand? STILL in your example, the police can ASK…. And I CAN refuse all lawfully.
But in reality, that’s not how things operate. Everything is ruled by evil, deception and suffering. The government is the worst, and largest criminal enterprise ever to exist and always will be. (I’m not even saying I’m AGAINST that… I think things should change for more balance as nothing will be perfect, however I understand the NEED for mortal earth to be ruled by evil deception and suffering. As we can then fulfill our purpose ((what Christian’s would say faith and going to heaven or something))
Which is simply to REJECT evil, EXPOSE deceit and ENDURE suffering.
Don’t EVER trust ANYTHING. Not even your own eyes or thoughts. At least not FULLY. Because nothing is EVVVVEEERRRR as it seems or as it’s written on paper.
People act like the law is the end all be all…. They act like laws aren’t purposefully not enforced or overly illegally enforced…. They act like government is to “protect and serve the people” just because it’s fucking written down and we can show examples… WE CAN SHOE JUST AS MANY IF NOT MORE EXAMPLES THATS A LOAD OF SHIT!
All things in balance…. As it needs to be.
@@DavonsMediayes you are correct. Police can ASK and you can REFUSE. No crime was committed, no crime even REPORTED and the police did have and never COULD have proof this man committed a crime….
I take it as AtA simply stating “the courts MAY also illegally rule in favor of the police and totally trample on your rights.”
It’s more of a warning as how REALITY works.
Look at my other comment on this thread post, I think you’ll like it.
Yes, those officers are violating his constitutional rights. “Many hours of Constitutional Study” I don’t know of any department / state requirements that has officers taking Constitutional law class. Unless he has gone to college to get his masters degree. LE continued education doesn’t include Constitutional law. I’m retired LE and FTO 35 years. (Not Missouri) These officers are wrong. They need mandatory retraining or unemployment. It’s actions like this that make the public hate Police Officers.
Admitting on camera that youve spent 17 years violating the first amendment is one of the craziest things I’ve seen one of them do.
It's easy for them to be bold when they have qualified immunity
They are proud of their tyranny! Their egos will not allow them to learn anything against their perceived authority. They always tell you who they really are - low IQ thugs in clown costumes with shiny badges. It’s time we believe them and change it!
4th amendment , not 1st
@@LookOutside... prosecuting freedom of speech etc is first amendment. 4th doesn’t quite apply here
While Mr. 17 years cop was driving me back to the spot after illegally arresting me and being told by his supervisors to let me go I would have been talking so much crap to him. "17 years huh?" 😂....."So you've been doing your job wrong for 17 years? No wonder you have so few stripes on your uniform".
💯🤦🏼♀️😅
100% a violation of his rights. No articulable facts were ever presented that ANY crime was afoot
Those ordinances are way too vague. End qualified immunity!
C is far too generous for a retaliatory escalation.
it was done to an auditor and so he gets bootlickyy
Just watch what a F is.
Then you get it.
Kidnapping is a serious charge. If I walked up to him, put him in handcuffs, drove him to my house, and then decided to drive him back. What would happen to me?
F
@@Turnil321this was an F too.
It wasn't retaliatory. They truly believed they were correct, it wasn't done with malice
I feel like standing on the road eating a bowl of cereal would be more suspicious than a camera lol. I’ve seen millions people on the street with cameras, video cameras, eyeglasses that record. I don’t ever remember seeing somebody eat a bowl of cereal.
Calling him a 1stAA shows that he didn’t suspect him of “casing” the bank
A cops intentions doesnt negate objective RS
Man’s been doing it for 17 years and this is the first time someone has stood up to him. Obviously not the first time he violated someone’s rights, sad part is many of the people just don’t know they’re rights, and he’s gotten away with this
Thank you for making this book, sir. This may help a lot of people.
If these clowns, detain, arrest, and take him to the jail, how do they get a C ? R.A.S is not probable cause.
because AtA clearly said the cops had a right to detain and ID him
@@MDbandit10 They didn't have any right. All they had was a phone call at best.
How sad is it that in 17 years he's learned the wrong things.
His long-winded brag on how educated he was and how many years he's been an expert is so laughable that he should quit in shame and probably move out of the country.
It is quite common. Not long ago some judges in the supreme court actually thought that the president has some sort of criminal immunity, which he quite clearly according to the constitution does not. And those judges has some 100 years of experience combined between them.
probably cuz he's been fuggn wit a lot of people cuz they're too scared to call him out on his B$. cops use that talkin point like "we got a call of a suspscious person which u fit the description." Moses happened to be black of course these pigs were goin to mess wit him. it happens every day that they mess wit minorities.
*17 years as a cop and not even worthy as a new cadet making an error so there are probably 1000's of bad arrests and convictions on his jacket.*
When they said "dark skin, wearing a sombrero" I near damned lost it.
Aint no one wearing a sombrero casing a bank 😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure that officer is only an expert in his own mind.
Lol😂
Are you sure he has a mind?
The comment about "rather roll a joint than case one" got a good laugh from me😂
Same
I finally got your book! Keep up the good work man. I've watched your videos during my childhood and loved them. Keep making these amazing videos!
You got this wrong. He doesn’t need to identify because no crime as suspected.
Did you even watch the video?
Contradiction from other videos here on ATA it seems to me. No wonder we all get so freaking confused
@@Hamsterbytes 5th circuit ruled that recording in a suspicious manner in specific areas is grounds for detention and questioning. From there cops continue their investigation, no rights were violated in the video
@Masterdeath16Oh, really now. So where does the "arrest" part come into play in your little narrative? You do know that questioning and detentions aren't the same thing as arrests, right?
At any rate, they had no justification for detaining him in the first place. They already get away with detaining and trying to force ID from people out in public who aren't even doing anything remotely suspicious than merely existing.
@Masterdeath16 so is he obligated to assist them in their investigation?
This auditor is great! So glad and telling that he is new and already featured on this channel!
♥️
Moses gets an A and officers get an F for the arrest, this video is also an F for its failures
A "C" for the cops? This is a definite "F" for the oath breakers and an "A" for KCA.
Exactly
wsells and chillerclan, NOPE, in video AtA said cops had reasonable suspicion to detain and ID
@@MDbandit10 in reality they did not. Taking photos outside of bank is irrelevant to RAS. They failed to have one fact that points to a potential crime now or in the future
@@firemedic2442 so you saying Audit the Audit is wrong here?
@@MDbandit10 So, because ATA said it makes it true? Nope.
What was the RAS?
-F for the cops. A+ for Mr Moses
-How many times have banks been robbed by people openly filming them?
You get a better view of the bank's external layout on Google Earth than just standing on the street.
7.5 times
Not one google statement that has ever happened. Because it doesn’t happen. Only in bankers narrow minds and police sh!tree magazines they read while….well sh!tting.
Never- So him doing it means he is less likely to rob the bank than anyone else walking inside.
D- for Audit the Audit.
The cop saying, _"They have the right to be concerned"_ proves that they are only there to protect corporations and the oligarchy and NOT there to protect citizens and their rights.
False arrest, violation of Constitutional rights and ordered to release and return this man to the location is a failure. (F) Full Stop!!
Agree “C” is a joke grade for these criminal cops.
This is an F! They demanded his ID, handcuffed him, took control of him.
I think the best thing you can do during an unlawful arrest like this is to tell them what Terry says about detention and reasonable suspicion being required BEFORE detention. If you're in a Stop And Identify state, you need to make sure you establish the officers admitted they didn't have suspicion of criminal activity at the time of arrest but requiring ID based on the "We Got A Call" bull they always use
That was an A+ plus by Mr. Moses he never ID himself. He didn’t even give a name was arrested got no charges and even got a ride back to the original spot. I hope he wins his civil lawsuit.
They all say lawsuit and don't even have the $300 to file, y'all believe a bunch a lies from these 🤡
You must be new around here. I wish you could see your comment for what it truly is. Buffoonery @reignman0311
How can you give them a C when they illegally arrested him?
Well, he did put a communist fist on his book...
@@genericalfishtycoon3853 you do realize that’s against police… right…?
@@genericalfishtycoon3853touché, good sir. I've found A the A is a bit of a bootlicker, in my opinion.
So you don't have ears either, just like a majority here in ATA comment sections?
The arrest was perfectly legal, and ATA explained exactly why.
@@kingofgrim4761 I understand the book is against police yes, and that's all well and good as I'm not a fan of authoritarians, be they cop or commie. So I'm not a fan of the chosen iconography for the book whatsoever. It is what is, intentional or not, that's clearly a symbol of an ideology which is responsible for more deaths than every other ideology in the last 150 years combined. Not exactly a good look for a book.
Officer Bailey has been trampling rights for 17 years according to his own words.........
These officers took the bait hook line and sinker. They were the recipients of a master troll.😂
I doubt he wanted to be arrested. He likes to play with cops and make silly jokes.
Imagine walking into a courtroom and telling a judge that you arrested somebody *just because you didn't know their name...*
That just reminds me of a video of one of the people who goes around doing lawns for free and uploading it to UA-cam, who had the cops called on him. One of the reasons being that he wouldn't give his name to the random guy.
And try imagining a judge having a problem with that
How the heck do you get a C when you falsely arrest a civilian?
NO WAY THEY GET A “C”!!!!
A violation of right deserves nothing but an “F”!!!!!!!!
yeah, ATA is getting soft
💯This is a joke right a C? Both clowns need to be fired asap. He must be doing this to troll the comment section. A dislike for a C.
As has been said before, giving an F just for violating rights is putting things into black and white, which is the wrong way to do it.
@MassiveMania or he's getting paid
If that was the standard then everyone would get an F. It’s a scale
Oh Snap!! No crime? No ID. Who else felt really bad for that ignorant and uneducated 17-year veteran? I felt bad for all the victims of it's false arrests and heaven only knows what other illegal crap throughout the years.
it’s 🤔
My hubby was arrested last Friday night. We live about 400 ft from my cousin. We walk over & play dominoes or cards, every single weekend. He was tired & walked home. An officer turned around on him & arrested him for “alcohol intoxication.” 🤦♀️ We went to court yesterday & waiting on our next court date. The whole interaction was ridiculous. The deputy was a jerk from the word go. I’m flabbergasted it happened & just waiting on our next hearing.
A “C” really, wait just a damn minute. This was a fail in every sense of the word.
In Polk County Florida, our sheriff is frequently in the media, loving the camera. However, none of his deputies has a body cam, but they also do not have car cams. Let that sink in for transparency
Yea,that stinks and we can just imagine how out of hand them cops are
UA-cam channel also doesn't allow comments.
That guy sounds like a self-righteous prick but, of course, a lot of people love him because he sounds "tough on crime"
That Sheriff is a grandstanding crook. I ought to not know where Polk County even is, as I sit here in Kansas, but I do because of him. He taints the jury pool with every case, publicly laying out his version of the evidence, true or not, 10 minutes after the arrest.
You mean the sheriff who routinely arrests his own deputies who break the law?
Any legal arrest should be an automatic F.
Nah my man you got this one wrong, false arrest is an automatic F
It was a fully legal arrest
Waco was a fully legal arrest
I love cops thin blue line
My husband's boyfriend is a cop 👮♂️😍
@Masterdeath16that's why they released him and took him back to where they arrested him after a superior told them they fucked up, right? 🤦♂️
@@scotthoover1568 where was the superior who said they messed up? A cop can release you without any charges being made even if the arrest was legal.
@Masterdeath16 No it wasn’t. lol The fact that has to do the drive of shame and release him two hours later shows you it was a wrongful arrest.
MAYBE the sworn servants should stop committing treason of the 4th and 5th and other serious felonies, or start going to prison.....?
You should probably google what treason means...
Betrayal of a nation, betrayal of a citizens and their rights. Is literally textbook treason by definition lmao.
That's not what treason means. You have to aid someone we are at war with, doing provable harm to us.
@@armabearo
Hes guilty of treason.
Don't use Wikipedia defenition.
Wikipedia is a traitors tool ran by traitors
Webster or camberage
Treason is outlined in the constitution, this action is not treason. Being an uninformed police officer for 17 years, does not constitute treason. Kidnapping, sure. Harassment, yes. Treason no.
Damn, I have been wrongfully arrested in the past. My question is how did you get the police to drop you off where you were arrested.
He never gave ID thank you.
If something can be deemed suspicious based on subjective measurements than suspicious itself is a poorly worded legal term.
You might think it's suspicious that there's a man in my backyard at 5am. However, I know that's just the new landscaper I hired yesterday. Your "suspicious" is my "normal".
Your “example” is “ridiculous”.
"We got a call" is not against the law, and after 17 years, it's clear this officer has been abusing citizens' rights for years and even proven wrong. He didn't apologize. I am glad KC is suing. His color is suspicious let's keep it real, that's why the cops became aggressive giving the cops a C- is a insult, they were not nice it was a set-up all along only a black person would understand.
I wonder how many victims of this "17 year officer" is out there ? How many more will there be ?
He says he has no complaints. I mean when it comes to ID most people just comply. If that's true that's probably why.
@@kylemendoza8860 Is he lying ? or will his agency lie for him ?
@@kylemendoza8860 Maybe, or maybe he is lying about not having any complaints ? Or maybe he works for a rouge department that prefers to cover up their crimes against humanity ?
there was no reasonable suspicion of any criminal activity.
None whatsoever. Just State sanctioned bullying, extortion and abduction.
Authority to arrest: exercised.
Authority to ID: questionable.
Amazed that these cops think they have the right to abuse citizens; what scumbags. Still wondering what the crime was.
Definitely an F! Local laws dose NOT supercede constitutional law. Constitutional law these officers swore an oath to uphold.
If "suspicious" is enough to violate someone's rights, then there are no rights. It can be used at any time because reasons.... Should not be subject to interpretation. That excuse can be used every time.
So after being arrested, this guy was not only released -- but the officers were ordered to return him to where they picked him up, and you give them a C. That's asinine. That's hands-down an F.
"Erm actually I am the subject matter expert on the law 🤓" , every cop think they a lawyer.
I just want to say that I appreciate this channel so much. I appreciate all the work put into each video, including the research and explanations for the different laws referenced, the grading of the individuals involved, etc.
Thank you so much. 😊
Pretty simple. When asked for an ID, ask if it's a request or a lawful order. If they say it's an order, supply the ID and sue.
LOL. Sue and then what? It's US - lawyer costs 100$ per hour minimum. The chances of winning this kind of lawsuit is not certain. Even if somehow it's ruled that police broke the law then they would likely get qualified immunity. Meanwhile the whole process would take 2 - 5 years and legal expenses could easily reach 6 digit numbers.
The court system in more corrupt than the 86er/cops.
@@Zeroksas More likely they would settle. Hopefully you could get some mandatory training to prevent future incidents.
Either way, the cops are NOT required to tell you what they know or how they suspect a crime, and are allowed to flat out lie to you, so if it's a "lawful order" and you don't comply, you will most likely lose.
@@Zeroksasthis is a contingency fee situation. You’re not paying unless you collect. You’re not paying that attorney an hourly wage for this lawsuit. Cmon
My wife teaches at a juvenile detention facility. So many of the kids there love your videos. Wish they knew what to do before they got in trouble. I just bought 2 copies. One for me and one for her classroom. Thanks for all you do.
Just because you get a call for service DOES NOT suspend my 4th Amendment right.
So this cop turned a right into a crime to make an arrest. How sad.
It’s interesting how different channels view the same situation. ATA and LackLuster handle this completely differently. They seem to give the cops a pass here, but just because it’s “within their rights” doesn’t make it the right thing to do.
Lackluster and AtheA are both wrong.
But not you @@blackfootedferretfan. You have it exactly right.
right thing and legal are too different things though
Lackluster did not give the cops a pass. He suggested they were wrong. ATA is the one who is giving the cops a pass. The charge (s) were dropped by a superior officer at the jail, who ordered the arresting officer to drop the auditor off at the same location of his arrest. In other words, a prosecutor will not prosecute such a flawed charge. This in itself implies that ATA is wrong in this instance.
Lackluster never gave him a pass.
Congrats on the book! I wish as a Canadian I had something like this. After years of watching your channel, I know far more about the rights of Americans than my own.
"You can 🙂
But u can't 😐
However u can 🙂
But they'll arrest u anyway 😐
But the courts say u can 🙂
But they also said u can't 😑"
Gee I wonder why cops are getting away with all this bllst 🙄
It's just simply crazy that so many law enforcement officers don't seem to understand some of the most basic everyday multiple times a day laws that they are working with. These two clowns have ID people thousands of times, and yet they do not seem to understand when they are allowed to demand ID and when they are not allowed to. Imagine a plumber having put in hundreds of water heaters, and they don't know the proper way to hook up the gas or to vent the unit. A plumber like that we would probably use the name defendant to refer to them.
The bank never said he had filmed there multiple times. They said multiple locations had reported someone who looked like him filming at their locations.
The problem is that the vague "you're acting suspiciously" or the "you may be casing a business" could be used unfairly to detain absolutely anyone out in public.
Absolutely. Aaand...judges and DAs have zero problems with that.
That’s why the suspicion needs to be objectively reasonable. This was almost certainly not.
@@ShooterMcGavin31you cannot say that- you can say it’s not subjectively suspicious to you, but clearly it was subjectively suspicious to others (and certainly enough to call the police in the first place). An opinion does not a fact make.
@ I’m not saying an opinion makes it a fact. My point is the officer gets to decide what is subjectively suspicious and then the court decides whether it’s objectively reasonable. That’s how it works.
@@ShooterMcGavin31 I hear you, but it’s still not objective. Objective is without the influence of personal histories or opinions- jurors are certainly prone to those as well. There is no objective definition of what a person may find suspicious, only majority rule of subjectivity.
I've been in jail for almost 30 days. I was just released at 5:40 on the dot because I went to the public memorial building here in my town where the parks director works so I went in and asked him why the parks are so run down and I wanted to know where all of our public taxes are going and I was next going to go to the Mayor and ask why our roads and sidewalks are so beat up and where are all of our taxes going, but I never made it out of the memorial building because Steve is his name told me "nows not the time that I need an appointment and long story short he called the police the police came and arrested me instantly no questions absolutely nothing just told me to put my hands behind my back i was literally in jail this entire time before I even got a court date "on purpose" saw the judge the judge told me to stay away from there that I'm banned if I go back I'll get 6 months in jail, so I have a lawyer and see where it all goes. My point? This country is gone its smoked and its because it is society who is at fault for continuing to obey, comply, and consent to all of this crap. There are entirely WAY too many obedient cowards in this country today. It's already over. This country makes me absolutely sick anymore. The police state is only going to get worse and worse because humanity refuses to wake tf up and stop being a bunch of obedient cowards and stop living in fear and realize WE ARE the ones in control. Land of the free? 😂 home of the brave? 😂 Absolutely not!
LL did this one. These cops are annoying. Leave the man alone. Pure intimidation arresting the man and bringing him back to send a message.
They may have figured out he was correct, that he needed to have committed a crime to have to show ID.