"Not after we demonstrate the power of this station. In a way, you have determined the choice of the planet that'll be destroyed first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the Rebel base, I have chosen to test this station's destructive power on your home planet of Alderaan."
Even if Disney decides not to grant Skeleton Crew a Season 2, they’d be foolish not to keep Jon Watts around to develop other shows/movies for Lucasfilm. This show has made clear that he “gets Star Wars”, and can actually tell a good, compelling story. In which its characters STAY in their character, and don’t make stupid, inexplicable decisions halfway through the story. There are so many little details and touches that this show has gotten SO right, that it’s been a refreshing change. Think of something as simple as Fern and KB riding to and from school on her speeder. These scenes were more exciting, dangerous, and FASTER than an entire squad of “Modsters” EVER managed in The Book of Boba Fett.
Grogu could have been in S3 in the form of short cut away scenes every episode or 2 showing him training with Luke while Mando is dealing with Mandalorian stuff. Reuniting them could be the S4 opener
S3 of the Mandalorian was such a let down coming off the heels of the Book of Boba Fett. It sucks that the decision to put Grogu back with Mando was not a story decision, it was just a merchandising decision.
I watched the season 3 premiere. It was going to decide if I was going to watch anything else because Book of BF and Obi-Wan SUCKED!!! Mando season 3 episode 1 didn't even rise to the level of "filler episode". So I'm done. No more. Disney LucasFILTH is to blame, but they'll call this lifelong fan who saw ROTJ on opening weekend in 83 an ISTA-PHOBE. That's fine. Disney LucasFILTH has nothing that I want.
@@CMVBrielman True...but it was backed up with great stories. You could watch the films and not even be aware or care about the merchandise. Grogu is literally a walking talking plushie who happens to do cute stuff.
For me, I was due to finish up Disney+ as Skeleton Crew dropped. I gave it a watch and it alone kept me signed up to Disney+. I’m really looking forward to Andor. I expect those that come back to watch Andor will also catch up on Skeleton Crew and it will likely warrant a season two as viewing numbers will ride the coattails of the returning Andor fans.
That SC is not doing good is sad. But the truely insulting part of those numbers is that the Acolyte has nearly a million (20%) than Andor. How is that possible?
Yes, I agree BUT, depending on how this story finishes up and considering time jumps and the richness of the At-Attin world building, I think they could come up with an entertaining and natural continuation. Being attached to the crew I would welcome it.
The MBA is mostly a degree in nothing that makes graduates think they can manage everything. The executives looking to squeeze extra revenue for shareholders just don’t know what it means for there to be a good or bad story.
They’re taught that all that matters is pumping up your quarterly numbers at any cost, even if it destroys the company. You’ll just get hired at another company to do the exact same thing.
My excitement and anticipation for Andor S2 is at or exceeding the levels I had for The Force Awakens. I get really excited for some animated series, too, but I put those in a separate category or column. Not because they're lesser than, just different.
tbh i wouldn't mind the mandalorian episode in the book of boba fett IF the show wasn't already so frigging short bruh. I accept one off episodes in a series that lasts more than JUST 7 EPISODES.
Disney SW is a hot mess. If they make decisions based upon profit….who didn’t think about doing 4 episode mini series on Grogu training with Luke. That’s low hanging fruit. Favreau and Filoni couldn’t even agree on how long Grogu was with Luke. Sadly it’s a dumpster fire that has created something worse than fan anger….fan apathy.
The difficulty lies in aging a Muppet that outlived you, realistically he probably wouldn't be Yoda size till 300 years old, if they only make 4 Muppets per size per season that can really add up.
I think Mando Season 3 would've been more decent if they dropped Grogu entirely or maybe at the very least save him for a later-season reveal, and focused more on Din Djarin and Bo-Katan building off of each other's relationship rather than being an afterthought and without sidelining Din Djarin.
I think Grogu was sidelined, not Djarin and I think it's not a big deal considering Grogu is most likely a long LONG term character! There are a lot of characters like Bo-Katan who deserve to more ardently finish their arcs, while also then setting all characters into positions that either let them go on and/or be key players in the bigger picture later on. But one reason this played out this way is because Din Djarin (through his relationship with Grogu) is a "uniter" and a "redeemer". Grogu makes him want to be better, he (and Grogu) makes others want to be better. Without Grogu there, the theme would be lost. Personally, I enjoyed the two being co-leads together. It was just as humorious, if not more so than Leia and Han to me, because Bo-Katan is so straight forward and outspoken and Din is a soft spoken man of few words, who just takes action without a whole lot of warning or explaining! If everyone would just chill out and let Dave finish his bigger story, that might be nice.
This isn't an either/or situation. They could've had concurrent storylines that vaguely or directly connected with each other and then brought them back together at the end of the season or the beginning of the next.
And it was probably what Jon planned. Din should go in and reunite the Mandalorians. Grogu should train with Luke. But Jon lost control over his mandoverse to Dave after s2
Disagree, while I had hoped there would be a Grogu/Luke connection (and the season two trailer made me believe it before hand, because of the way the scenes were cut together felt like homage to locations/scenes featured in the OT), I think they generally have a tentative long-term plan in which Grogu would always return to Din Djarin, and Luke Skywalker would return to the shadows until a time where he is needed/comes back into focus...(Thrawn, New Order, Snokes!). The themes here are about both What is a Mandalorian and what is a Jedi how can all of these things come together and co-exist? Grogu changed Djarin and Djarin brought a few different sects of Mandalorians together, while also making friends with Jedi or psuedo Jedi. Ahsoka now has paired Sabine with Ahsoka, so we have a clear juxtaposition here harking back to the Tarre Vizla myth, but at a time where war is once again coming (Thrawn/Heir to the Empire) and many peoples are going to need to band together...
As you can clearly see in Book of Boba Fett, which does not help. I wouldn't mind Din and Boba teamup if Grogu was not involved, but instead, I've would not have minded with CGI'd Luke Skywalker.
That's the thing, I do believe that was always going to be the ultimate plan, but hastened it because upstairs marketing reasons. It's rather clear to me that the endgame is or was to have Grogu become a Mandalorian Jedi and have him reforge the Darksaber which was always going to be destroyed.
The idea that the higher ups not interfering let's the show be good... sounds like a reasonable theory. If the last episode of skeleton crew is good and does not screw up... I might give it a try.
I have around 10 friends who had a subscription. The majority of them canceled it after TBOBF and Kenobi. Most didn't watch even Mando season 3. So... 😕
Imho opinion, mando should have left grogu with it's people. I would have let grogu being picked up in some E.T. kinda fashion so grogu would be safe. Being left with Luke is also fine with me, but I would have done it with the first option personally. It keeps the species mysterious and I think it would have fit better with what the force master told mando. Either way, the show is called: the Mandalorian and I think it would have been a great point for some character development. With grogu out of the picture, mando could focus more on his people "the mandolorians". But grogu became a cashcow for the house of mouse and he was still around in season 3 with just filler stuff. The season could have been better without Grogu if you ask me.
Let's not forget that Lucas "tinkered" with the earlier "Star Wars" movies. Adding a musical number, and other CGI crap to a movie that was beloved. When asked why he would do that, Lucas said they were his films, and he could do whatever he wanted. Now Disney is doing the same thing, but adding in socio-political messages that they seem to believe is more important than creating something that is entertaining. And, as always, let's not forget that it was Lucas who handpicked Kathleen Kennedy to take over as head of the Lucasfilm division of Disney. And he got over $4 billion for the rights. And why is no one watching "Skeleton Crew"? It's the "Judge Dredd" effect. There was that Stallone abomination. And when the reboot "Dredd" was made, and it was really good, it still bombed. Why? Because the first try was so bad, people (like me) figured it would just be another terrible adaptation. Then I watched it and was shocked at how good it was. But, as the old saying goes, "Fool me once..."
What happened with Mando is pretty much why I'm not in any rush to watch Skeleton Crew Mando roped me back into Starwars and I thought "Oh, I guess they're getting their act together". Then Obiwan, Boba, Ahsoka and Mando season 3 all let me down. I don't really want to get invested if the bigwigs are just going to show up and mess with the story.
So the problem is that they meddled and it was a success. When they bought Star Wars in what, 2014? They said to themselves "We have fans like nerds locked in. They'll show up no matter what we shovel. How do we get people to come who aren't nerds?" And they added a bunch of shit to get the other people to come to the theater and it worked. The nerds showed up just like they wanted and some extras showed up to see a black dude and a girl headline Star Wars. Success. They were 100% correct. The problem is that this was short term thinking. Their shallow fanwank stories fell flat, their writers weren't skilled, their directors were uninspired, their characters were insipid. Eventually they lose the hardcore fans, the "extra" people who they tricked into coming to theaters abandoned them because all that other stuff, they're left with a steaming pile of crap. Even if they try and make amends it's too little too late. They lost their core fans. Regardless of what comes out in the future, Star Wars is dead.
Hey Thor, reading has been helping me get through some recent health problems & I've started getting into the EU. Other people have asked similar questions, but I'm already a ways in & with Master and Apprentice & Catalyst next up. Would be nice to have your thoughts on where to go after that. Love your's & Naboo's content. P.S. - for reference, I've read Darth Plagueis, Dark Disciple, Lords of the Sith, A New Dawn, Tarkin, Darth Bane trilogy, & Dark Lord trilogy.
7:20 Well, Agatha only cracked the Nielsen top 10 in its last week, and Disney seems genuinely happy with it, so I ain't too pessimistic just yet. 8:50 Yep. I have the same three so far and plan on adding this one as well. Physical media FTW.
Publicly, Disney has to be happy with Agatha no matter the numbers because it is female centric and "the gayest Marvel project ever". While the future of entertainment might be less DEI focused, we are still not there...
My solution to the Mando / Grogu problem: Freeze Mando in carbonite in the Mando movie. Grogus best option would be to go back to Luke. When he's older and properly trained he goes on to rescue mando. Could be handled almost like it was planned from the start. Denies call to adventure with Luke but circumstances makes him accept in the end.
If Skeleton crew had been a 2 hr movie, it wouldn't have been as good, but I 100% would have paid full price tickets to the theater to see it- easily over $30 for my whole family
After taking 2024 off from watching any Star Wars (such was my mood with the direction it had taken) i recently did a watch through of all live action Star Wars. I was surprised how much more I enjoyed Ahsoka and Mando S3. Outside of the Jack Black and Lizzo episode there was little wrong there that some tighter editing couldnt have fixed. Sackoff was given more screentime true, but IMO she did very well with it and i hope we see more of her in the future. Book of Boba should never had been a series, at best it should have been a made for Disney + 2 hour movie and the majority of his flashbacks should have been saved for a comic or novel if they felt people were really that curious. Same with Kenobi, it didnt need 6 to 8 hours to tell a decent story. They could have simply used 'Taken' as a template and had Ben rescuing Leia from the kidnappers and a single Inquisitor and escaping just as Vader arrives who goes batshit after having missed his shot at revenge which would have just enhanced their meeting in a New Hope.
Acolyte was a personal project for Kennedy, hence why it got all the marketing and push. Skeleton Crew, similar to Andor, was primarily green lit because Disney needed additional material to keep a full schedule of rotating new major brand content as a draw for streaming subscriptions. Thus it was generally left alone with minimal involvement (if any) by Kennedy while she focused on the “bigger” projects.
Hi Thor For the final episode of Skeleton Crew I believe we are un for a suprice. When Jod comes up in the supervisor tower We se him approaching the supervisor from behind suddenly the chair turns around and we now se George Lucas himself sitting there. He then says, good that you are here I need a lift. I've been disconnected from this galaxy long enough now......😂
Hey Thor, I think they'll one day make a Sequel era show and have these kids in it as adults. That way, the audience will have some familiar characters in it that they like and so it makes them more likely to watch and enjoy the show. Either that, or the kids might have a role in the Sequel era movies they have planned. What do you think of this?
I also didn’t have a lot of issues with BoBF, I get it, but covid was a problem that came in the middle of all this, but I want Luke to have as much time as possible and all these shows connected. Sure, Mando three was less exiting, but how could it not be?
Every episode was of Boba was directed by a different person so they all felt different with different tones. I didn't mind the Tusken raider stuff but the things that killed it was the mods and their silly bikes. Boba being old slow and boring. the snails pace chase scene and being a fan of the Rancor I really didn't like how they turned them into cuddly pets.
I didn't start watching Skeleton Crew until it was 5 episodes in. Shows like Obi Wan, bookmof boba, and the acolyte burned me and so I just didn't feel all that enthusiastic about it. Of course I eventually watched it and was very happy with it. But I think that's why the numbers suck. People were burned one too many times from other shows.
i am a weird kind of star wars fan: as a kid i was obsessed with Han Solo and Chewbacca being hunted by Boba Fett paying back Jabba the Hutt or fighting back and killing the crime boss, the Rebels vs Imperials was cool as hell... but i never saw Jedi as interesting and i became more sick of the Jedi as i got older so shows like Skeleton Crew or Season 1 of Mando interest me more because they don't feature Jedi
Youre not weird; For a lot of later fans it was all about the cool Clone Troopers and Military Sci Fi thanks to Republic Commando and TCW, so a lot of people like that are less interested in jedi stuff per say but will like Military stuff like Rogue One and Andor or The Bad Batch
When I heard that mando season 3 had immediatly brought back Grogu I just assumed it had transitioned from "new thing, able to be creative" to "too valuable to risk creativity", and never even bothered watching it. Din Djarin's story should have just ended with Season 2, with him becoming a secondary character in other media if they really wanted to keep him around. Want more mandalorian protagonist shows? Make a Bo-Katan show explicitly about retaking mandalore, rather than piggypacking it off the other mandalorian show. (I don't want that, mandos are cool, but its a big galaxy and they shouldn't somehow be the galactic protagonists. Yet between this, the clone wars, or Karen Traviss' mando obsession from back in Legends days, I don't think we really need to make mandalorians any more prominent. You know what I want? I want more of Zahn's Ascendency stuff.)
Man, I really don’t know why folks hate Kenobi and Ashoka are so bad. They had issues but they weren’t abysmal. There was a lot good in them!! All of them leaps and bounds better than Aco or TLJ!!!
That's not a high bar to cross. Those two came out at a time that people were still expecting something to be good, so disappointment was palpable and had more prominent characters.Kenobi was needlessly canon-defiling mess, while Ashoka required Marvel-level studying to get hang of.
Ahsoka had the makings of an actually good show until they failed to stick the landing. Still not terrible, and certainly better than Acolyte, but definitely one of several steps in the wrong direction.
For Kenobi it's really simple. The writing was bad they contradict the canon multiple times of Kenobi straight up leaving Luke out in the dessert. Reva was a terrible addition in her character arc is as inconsistent as the show only OSHA and Mae beating her out. The only slightly good thing about the show was for rematch of Obi-Wan and Darth Vader and that even has his own problems by itself. I watch the show through and that is the only Star wars show that I fully watch through because since then I do not trust Disney at all to actually tell a good story or to make a show quite interesting when they can't even do their legacy characters right.
Ahsoka was good but wrapped up poorly, I genuinely think it suffered from a shorter run time. They wanted to set up the new Galaxy AND have Thrawn's successful return so a lot gets stuffed into the last 3 episodes, Thrawn was terribly written in spite of him being set up to win to facilitate the theatrics in the Temple. Good, but flawed with a bad ending. I liked it, im excited for season 2.
The worst thing a Star Wars that can happen to a Star Wars show, or really any show these days, is be successful. Mando, House of the Dragon, Witcher, etc... 1. Corporate ghouls and activists put all their focus and money in some bloated mess of a production they think is the "next big thing," allowing a creative with talent to slip a low-budget passion project under the radar. 2. The earnest charm and passion that went into the show makes it a big hit with fans and it's renewed for a new season. 3. Corporate ghouls and activists want to maximize revenue and get their names on the "next big thing" and force needless changes and messaging on the show, stifling the creative's vision. 4. New season is noticeably worse than the last one and is panned by the audience. 5. Refusing to admit defeat, ghouls and activists put more focus and money on the production, allowing someone with talent to slip a low-budget passion project under the radar. 6. Rinse and Repeat.
Hey Thor, do you think future Star Wars shows should release all of their episodes at once upon release? While this is definitely not the only thing holding back the viewership numbers, I feel that this would be beneficial to those who want to watch it all at once. I personally like getting to have something new to watch each week but I’d like to hear your thoughts on this.
Here's a question for you. How much do you think the parade of pro-Disney Star Wars influencers - chasing clout or access - hurt the brand more than they help it? Because they say every Star Wars product is amazing they have no credibility when a show actually is good and they're speaking to the increasingly small choir. And they're propping up Disney producing more of the same usually bad content. Meanwhile the more critical channels have been derided by Disney's acolytes as mindless haters, or worse, thus diminishing the reach of honest critics. In a natural state, I think your general stance would be the prevalent one, not to give you too much praise..
I dropped my Disney + subscription. Disney has proven they cannot tell a goof Star Wars story. If season 3 of Andor is as good or better than the 1st I don't care, they napalmed that bridge.
While I agree that bringing Grogu back at the start of Season was a bad decision, because of the neglible ("tacked on") role he plays I find it hard to blame the low quality of S3 on it. That has more to do do with the stories we got, with Bo Katan replacing Mando as the main character. Was that Disneys idea or Favreau & Filoni? And the worst episodes of S3 (IMHO) are E3 The convert and E6 Guns for Hire. E3 features neither Mando nor Grogu, I can't see any Disney meddling in that. E6 has good guest stars (Jack Black and Christopher Lloyd) and hooks for interesting stories (the role of ex-imperials in the new republic, the role of androids and when the commisioner admits to being a CIS-supporter). They are wasted in favor of scenes like Mando investigating droids by just randomly kicking them. That too I find hard to blame on Disneys interference. I think despite Disneys interference a good part of blame has to be put on Favreau and Filoni, the same guys produced the excellent seasons 1 and 2.
Mando S3 had a lot going on around it. The Gina Carano fiasco had just exploded, with the casualty of killing the Rangers series that would have been her vehicle. That show would have been the place for dealing with the former Imperials and the mystery problems on the Rim. With the loss of that show, Favreau had to rush incorporating some of those elements into Mando S3 in order for the overall plans for the Mandoverse to keep on track. Favereau and Filoni were also brought in at the end of BOBF production to try to fix problems that the higher ups saw. (According to rumor, they literally finished a rushed re-editing of the final episode just hours before it had to be uploaded to the servers for the premier release.) That is a major factor in what led to the inclusion of Mando and the return of Grogu in that series, to try to bring something in that the audience would appreciate. Otherwise that first Mando episode in BOBF would have been the opening for Mando S3, and Grogu’s return would have come much later. Also according to rumor, during the Mando S3 production, things got so bad between Favreau and Kennedy that he forbid anyone even saying her name in his presence.
Hey Thor. I know people want a Season 2 of Skeleton crew. But my question is, how would you even do that? As cool as it would be to see, from how the show is playing out I think it'll just be a one and done thing. I can't really see the show continuing past a single season. Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed the show but sometimes maybe a one and done story can really be better than multiple seasons, dragging it out.
@@Offbreed309 "There's no place like home." Remember that the point, as stated by the producers, was to rekindle the "Amblin Entertainment" 80s feeling. The adventure ends, the kids go back to "real life"...but having been enriched by their experience.
@strikeflyer I agree with you. I've enjoyed Skeleton Crew, and as much as I'm eagerly awaiting the finale, I also hope this is a one-and-done story. If they they just leave the story line open for a second season that may never happen (looking at you, Ahsoka!) I'll be left unhappy and unsatisfied. But if they pull off a satisfying conclusion of this story, I'll be left a satisfied customer. And that's what Disney should strive to do: Leave us each season satisfied with the story we got, beginning, middle, and end.
@@kirkdarling4120 I'm just answering the, "how would you even do that?" You can have an ending that wraps up nicely and still have a second season, it's not mutually exclusive. Do I personally think there will be a season 2? No, because it was genuinely good and Disney doesn't know what to do with that. But it doesn't prevent me from being able to speculate further on the story. Plus, it doesn't really matter what the producers say if Disney wants to make another season to exploit because this one does well, they will.
Some people (like me) might also be waiting for all the episodes to be out before watching it. I am interested in watching the show but not in subscribing to Disney+ for more than one month.
mandalorian fell off when they stopped doing episodic storytelling and decided to go and kill off every single one of it's neat ideas. I wanted a whole arc of Din handling the dark saber himself and not go the very hollywood route of not realizing those ideas to its fullest that benefits the character the most. I wanted that rivalry between Din and Paz to mean something beyond the route of just showing their dynamic at its most shallow when they know that they're going to kill off Paz in a tragic death. For tbobf, i wanted the show to feel like an actual tv show to show me why Boba Fett turned somewhat good. Instead the entire show was Boba Fett barely doing anything in the new role that he was given because the show again, ONLY HAS 7 EPISODES! ONE OF THEM TAKEN BY THE MANDALORIAN! i feel like these live action star wars shows have the biggest problem with fully realizing their ideas because of the needed presence and budget needed for these "tv shows". There's so much long production cycles for these shows that feel unfinished/unrealized.
Mandoverse should be the rebirth of Mandalorian empire and Djin end up leading his people but we have Jon snow In don't want it but gave it to Bokatan may be worst ruler of Mandalorea ... or Just give me Sabine trying unite her people with Ezra help mirro Satine and Obi wan journey
Din would have been a bad choice to lead the Mandalorians. He was too much of the lone wolf. Not that he couldn’t lead at need in a given moment, but he was not one inclined toward or interested in what it takes to long-term govern - political diplomacy, economic policy planning, etc. Din was good at the “Everyman” level, just trying to make his way in the universe. He had no visions for a changed future, just a desire for his own little dream and being left alone to chase it.
Hey Thor, what does failure of Skeleton Crew mean for the future of Disney + Star Wars shows? In this I mean will we see less original standalone shows?
I think the great downfall for Disney+ began with Mando S3. It was a show with 2 fantastic seasons but they totally shifted the pov in S3 by making Bo the focus of the story when it should have been Din (without Grogu). Andor is a masterpiece 'cause they gave creative freedom to an Oscar nominated screenwriter. Skeleton Crew seems to have creative freedom too but thanks to the hit or miss mentality it's suffering from people losing interest in SW.
I think that Disney is kind of desperate. They want the investment in Star Wars to start to pay off but, under the circumstances, the IP is tainted by past actions and history and their desires to hurry things along just undermine the progress that could be made.
《This is not "The Ol' Smoothie" you're looking for》 ...i'm sorry, did somebody say there was "Original" Disney STAR WARS Content...? ~Mando & Grogu = Knockoff Boba Fett & Knockoff Yoda... (& "IG-11" ...rea11y...?) ~ROGUE ONE = the Crawl for STAR WARS... (written by George Lucas & Brian De Palma) ~ANDOR = the Sequel to the Prequel Trilogy AND/OR the Prequel to the Original Trilogy... ~BAD BATCH = the Continuation of THE CLONE WARS... (Created by George Lucas) ~SKELETON CREW = Knockoff TREASURE PLANET & Knockoff THE GOONIES... ~THE ACOLYTE = okay, you can have that one, if you want it...? ...imo, if Disney had made the Sequel Trilogy based on Lucas's Story Treatmemts, then George would have been able to say, "yeah, that's some good STAR WARS right there!!!" ...but, instead we got... ~TFA = Knockoff ANH ~TLJ = Knockoff ESB ~TROS = Knockoff ROTJ ...& the less said about SOLO, the better... ~Alden Ehrenreich = Knockoff Han Solo (also 4" shorter than Harrison Ford) ~Joonas Suotamo = Knoccoff Chewbacca (also 4" shorter than Peter Mayhew) ~Donald Glover = Knockoff Lando Calrissian (also 3" shorter than Billy Dee Williams & nowhere near as smooth) 👽 🖖 🤖 ...in all fairness, maybe we just have Different Definitions of "Original"...
Just watched the finale it was solid. Not amazing or anything that had me really excited but it was a solid ending. And the boys actually got to be useful for once.
I've been skipping Disney+ SW shows since the end of Ahsoka. I've been burned enough by Disney's mixed performance that I'm not likely to watch much new Star Wars content until they start consistently putting out shows and movies that are consistently good. I don't think they can pull off anything solid with Mando in the future, and I honestly doubt that S2 of Andor is going to be the salvation of the franchise - as it's definitely the most high visibility project right now, it's almost certainly the project that executives are the most involved at the moment.
Everyone keeps crapping on Disney without taking a look at KK these days. Do we know how much of it is due to directives straight from Disney and how much is due to KK? Granted, they decided to keep her on despite everything, but it feels like people are giving her a pass now.
It has to do better than Aco, it just has to, but I bet there is a good number of Aco fans also not watching SC out of spite for it getting cancelled (as if it was other fan’s fault for real, it was bad!).
Hi Thor. From what I know Jon planned for Din to go and reunite the Mandalorians in s3. Grogu should train with Luke. There was hints from Jon about a Luke and Grogu show/adventure. But Jon lost control over his mandoverse to Dave after s2. Why? I do think it has to do with that Jon had Iger to remove Kathleen from his project, cause she was interrupting the planning. Ther is a video that shows her interrupting Jon with complete nonsense. So Jon and the "mandoverse" got on fine for 2 seasons. Then Chapek brought Kathleen back. Then Gina was fired and also, in secret Dave got promoted to ECM. So he now took all creativ control over Jons project. This was after Mando s2. Reasons? Probably that Jon made Iger put her aside, but also since Jon managed to make Luke a hero again. And fans loved it. This made her and her "masterpiece" the sequels look even worse. So as I understand it wasn't the Luke snd Grogu scenes planned in BoBF in Jon's version. What we hVe seen lately is this relationship with Kathleen and Dave, they can't stop complementing each other It is like with her an Rian.
How about we not give Disney and Lucasfilm credit for the Fallen Order games all they did was approve of story elements for the game Respawn did most of the work.
The more praise I hear for andor the more desperate i think the star wars community is. that show was not good, but people (not me) think its better than anything in recent years so people love it. I definitely dont understand. i fell asleep during some of those episodes.
People say Ahsoka was bad but at the time people loved it UNTIL the last episode which had a rather weak (although not necessarily bad) ending which left the entire season feeling disappointing despite most of the episodes being really good.
Nah, Thrawn's return is inconsequential thanks to Sequel Trilogy. He obviously can't win and I refuse to believe he'd help a bunch of Empire cosplayers become and even worse organization
I hear people saying the show is good but sadly, I couldn't care less. To me, the most important thing in a show / movie / universe is the continuity and the "believability". In my opinion, the canon and universe is beyond broken so I have absolutely no interest to see any new story in it. Just for the record, I'm a 47 year old who's been seriously into Star Wars since I saw Return of the Jedi in theatre. I would have never believed that I would find Star Wars lame and uninteresting...
I'm sorry but I'm not waiting a week between every episode when they don't even last 40 minutes. That's why it's better to just watch a series at a better pace once it's all out.
As someone who broke multiple lightsaber toys growing up from dueling with my friends as kids, and as someone who spent an embarrassingly high amount of hours playing SWTOR back in the day, and as someone who named my latest cat Snips, I can say for myself the reason I’m not watching skeleton crew is not because I don’t think it looks good or that I don’t want to watch a show geared toward kids. I just don’t care about Disney SW anymore. After the acolyte, they’ve finally broke me.
There's nothing wrong with a show geared for kids in the Star Wars universe, just as there was nothing wrong with Andor being a show geared for adults (at least for people not suffering attention deficit). And somewhere there is to be told a hilarious comedy (like "Kelly's Heroes") and a pure romance story like "Casablanca."
well skeleton crew is a good show and its for kids and families. the ewok movies existed y'know so this better not just be an argument against anything made for kids
@@heroicgangster9981 you misread what I said. I said that’s NOT why I’m not watching it. I don’t care if it’s geared toward kids. George Lucas himself said he made Star Wars for 12 year old boys. I do think it looks good. I just have zero desire to watch anything from Disney anymore. They broke me enthusiasm for new Star Wars. At least from them
You don't believe what Favreau says? Then why believe anything ANYONE at Lucasfilm says? I mean, I've always been skeptical that Filoni is this huge EU fan and lore master, but that's just me. And yes, I don't trust anything anyone says at Lucasfilm.
I can tell you why I'm not watching. I've heard it's good from you and others, but I've been kinda worn down by all the Star Wars that was not good that I'm tired. Same thing happened with star trek, I've heard great stuff about Lower Decks particularly after the first season, but given the stuff that has come out I'm rather worn out to watch it.
@@EflowNivek No I think there’s some kind of envy when you don’t agree on his take if something is worth watching. It comes off either like you’re somewhat jealous he still has hope or you’re nearing the apathy black pill train of just hoping he becomes jaded as well.
@achaudhari101 so because you think I don't agree with him I'm jealous? Your perspective is fascinating. I've never said the series doesn't have value nor do I think someone that likes it is an idiot you've put those words in my mouth. What I said is I'm tired of watching one good series for every two or so bad ones. I'm simply expressing why I'm not watching and talking some Star Wars.
Honestly? I was enjoying the series. But the finale was lacking. Like it was wrapped up waaaaay to quick. It didnt feel like a finish to the series. Just my opinion.
One thing I’ve noticed about Skeleton Crew, which relates to Thor’s comment about Andor, is that the praise for SC has been pretty subdued thus far, whereas Andor was getting a ton of enthusiastic coverage even before the season finale. I haven’t seen either show, despite many reviews (that I trust) heaping praise on Andor, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just find it interesting to observe the different reactions at similar points in each shows run. I also think it bodes poorly for SC’s reception down the road. It would be hard to see it getting the Andor treatment at the moment.
So, should Star wars just go away? People shat all over the Prequels, so apparently Lucas can't do SW right. Disney occasionally gets it right but not for long enough. We lived for years without Star Wars. Just find fanfic that suits your vision.
2:36 Thor, the reason Jon Favreau says it was his idea, is because it almost certainly _was_ his idea. The guy is a businessman. Regardless of whatever narrative has sprung up around him - that's he's "a real SW fan" just trying to fight the good fight against the diabolical KK etc - and regardless of the more creative aspects of where he came from - acting, writing etc - he is now, in the present, a _businessman_ first and foremost. Perceptibly more likeable than most of them? Sure. But really any different? No.
I’m still pissed they fired one of their best actresses and a wonderful human being, denying us both a potentially awesome show and the character of Cara Dune. Disney actually creates a strong woman fighter character who the fans think is awesome and then they fire her because they didn’t like how she voted.
@ I can’t think of any genuinely scandalous thing she’s done. Just the fake “scandal” that was used as an excuse to fire her because a vocal minority on Twitter was butthurt about a joke she made.
@achaudhari101 A BS excuse? Why is that? Disney Starwars has disappointed me for the last time. Subscribe to a channel for The Skeleton crew ? Give me a break. Enjoy your 5 year old show. The viewership says everything you need to know. It's over Disney Starwars just isn't any good .
Season 2 of Mando ended well (wonky CG aside) and that's where I stopped watching because I didn't need more. Disney execs want to sell Merch and any media they put out is to service that goal. Ratings are just a metric we get to see but the money comes from the merch sales. I'm not here for the merch, I'm here for the story. If I like the story I'll buy the merch and that's the connection they haven't figured out yet.
Many in the fanbase actively want to see Disney suffer and fail... and as such, will not watch Star Wars. I've said it many times, but except for Andor season 2, I'm completely out of Disney Star Wars until KK is gone, Disney admits its mistakes, apologies are given to the fans, and Lucasfilm makes things right.
There is no such thing as "The Andor Effect", that's just cope. It's a good show, don't get me wrong, but people are not exactly subscribing into Disney+ in droves to watch it.
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
"Not after we demonstrate the power of this station. In a way, you have determined the choice of the planet that'll be destroyed first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the Rebel base, I have chosen to test this station's destructive power on your home planet of Alderaan."
Even if Disney decides not to grant Skeleton Crew a Season 2, they’d be foolish not to keep Jon Watts around to develop other shows/movies for Lucasfilm. This show has made clear that he “gets Star Wars”, and can actually tell a good, compelling story. In which its characters STAY in their character, and don’t make stupid, inexplicable decisions halfway through the story. There are so many little details and touches that this show has gotten SO right, that it’s been a refreshing change. Think of something as simple as Fern and KB riding to and from school on her speeder. These scenes were more exciting, dangerous, and FASTER than an entire squad of “Modsters” EVER managed in The Book of Boba Fett.
Grogu could have been in S3 in the form of short cut away scenes every episode or 2 showing him training with Luke while Mando is dealing with Mandalorian stuff. Reuniting them could be the S4 opener
S3 of the Mandalorian was such a let down coming off the heels of the Book of Boba Fett.
It sucks that the decision to put Grogu back with Mando was not a story decision, it was just a merchandising decision.
I watched the season 3 premiere. It was going to decide if I was going to watch anything else because Book of BF and Obi-Wan SUCKED!!!
Mando season 3 episode 1 didn't even rise to the level of "filler episode".
So I'm done. No more. Disney LucasFILTH is to blame, but they'll call this lifelong fan who saw ROTJ on opening weekend in 83 an ISTA-PHOBE. That's fine. Disney LucasFILTH has nothing that I want.
@@jkdbuck7670psycho…
Bad decision either way
Disney is like Darth Maul.
Arrogant and cocky when they are winning only to fail miserably due to their arrogance.
You can not win Maul
Forever cursed to push that boulder up the hill
They didn't have to bring back Grogu in season 3 to sell merch. He's still popular.
He's just a plushie and a walking toy for geek shops and geek girls. Sometimes I don't think Disney can get any more blatantly cynical.
If they wanted to sell Grogu merch, all they had to do. All they had to do!
Was do a Jedi Academy show, centered on Luke and Grogu.
But being a Jedi is now evil and stuff
They need to stop creating characters for the sole purpose of mining them $$$
@ There is a right way and wrong way to do it. Lets remember that Lucas made his money on merch.
@@CMVBrielman True...but it was backed up with great stories. You could watch the films and not even be aware or care about the merchandise. Grogu is literally a walking talking plushie who happens to do cute stuff.
Skeleton Crew has been an enjoyable adventure so far. I'm really curious to see what numbers roll out for this week.
There wont be any numbers again since it cant make the top 10
I like meself a good amount of numberrrrsss!
It's doing worse in views compared to Aco
It's flopping hard.
I just hope the higher ups at disney keep their hands away from Andor season 2, let them cook
When you said 'it will be fine addition to my collection' I internally add Grievous's cough to it:)
For me, I was due to finish up Disney+ as Skeleton Crew dropped. I gave it a watch and it alone kept me signed up to Disney+. I’m really looking forward to Andor. I expect those that come back to watch Andor will also catch up on Skeleton Crew and it will likely warrant a season two as viewing numbers will ride the coattails of the returning Andor fans.
The Mandalorian downfall began in season 2 when it went from a simple Mando story into a back door pilot platform for all of Star Wars tv
If Disney wants to place any blame, the only place they can look is directly in the mirror.
Yet people online with their apathy and hatred are also to blame as well.
@@achaudhari101 Ahhh, Fandom Blamer returns
@@achaudhari101 Yes, mean fans are bullying poor Disney again
@ I will never subscribe to the fact that it’s black and white between the fandom and the companies.
Pitch Meeting 'Well I don't think the adults like our stories anymore. Lets make a show for kids. They'll watch anything right?....RIGHT?'
They seem to do this with every demographic besides their main one.
@@dbungart3044 they despise their main demographic
Yea, that's some good Star Wars right there.
Though it's a bit bittersweet knowing just how well it's not doing.
That SC is not doing good is sad. But the truely insulting part of those numbers is that the Acolyte has nearly a million (20%) than Andor. How is that possible?
@gildor8866 Lightsabers.
@@gildor8866they heavily advertised acolyte
We shouldn't root for a S2 of the Skeleton Crew, it seems like a self contained story to me, let something just be good and end.
Yes, I agree BUT, depending on how this story finishes up and considering time jumps and the richness of the At-Attin world building, I think they could come up with an entertaining and natural continuation. Being attached to the crew I would welcome it.
A second season doesn't seem possible and i'd prefer it to be a standalone story.
The MBA is mostly a degree in nothing that makes graduates think they can manage everything. The executives looking to squeeze extra revenue for shareholders just don’t know what it means for there to be a good or bad story.
They’re taught that all that matters is pumping up your quarterly numbers at any cost, even if it destroys the company. You’ll just get hired at another company to do the exact same thing.
My excitement and anticipation for Andor S2 is at or exceeding the levels I had for The Force Awakens. I get really excited for some animated series, too, but I put those in a separate category or column. Not because they're lesser than, just different.
tbh i wouldn't mind the mandalorian episode in the book of boba fett IF the show wasn't already so frigging short bruh. I accept one off episodes in a series that lasts more than JUST 7 EPISODES.
Disney SW is a hot mess. If they make decisions based upon profit….who didn’t think about doing 4 episode mini series on Grogu training with Luke. That’s low hanging fruit. Favreau and Filoni couldn’t even agree on how long Grogu was with Luke. Sadly it’s a dumpster fire that has created something worse than fan anger….fan apathy.
Stupid fan apathy based on defeatism.
They’re never gonna let Grogu age are they? He’ll be a friggin’ infant forever.
Why would they ruin that particular cash cow?
The difficulty lies in aging a Muppet that outlived you, realistically he probably wouldn't be Yoda size till 300 years old, if they only make 4 Muppets per size per season that can really add up.
Bart Simpson effect.
I think Mando Season 3 would've been more decent if they dropped Grogu entirely or maybe at the very least save him for a later-season reveal, and focused more on Din Djarin and Bo-Katan building off of each other's relationship rather than being an afterthought and without sidelining Din Djarin.
I think Grogu was sidelined, not Djarin and I think it's not a big deal considering Grogu is most likely a long LONG term character! There are a lot of characters like Bo-Katan who deserve to more ardently finish their arcs, while also then setting all characters into positions that either let them go on and/or be key players in the bigger picture later on. But one reason this played out this way is because Din Djarin (through his relationship with Grogu) is a "uniter" and a "redeemer". Grogu makes him want to be better, he (and Grogu) makes others want to be better. Without Grogu there, the theme would be lost.
Personally, I enjoyed the two being co-leads together. It was just as humorious, if not more so than Leia and Han to me, because Bo-Katan is so straight forward and outspoken and Din is a soft spoken man of few words, who just takes action without a whole lot of warning or explaining!
If everyone would just chill out and let Dave finish his bigger story, that might be nice.
This isn't an either/or situation. They could've had concurrent storylines that vaguely or directly connected with each other and then brought them back together at the end of the season or the beginning of the next.
And it was probably what Jon planned. Din should go in and reunite the Mandalorians. Grogu should train with Luke. But Jon lost control over his mandoverse to Dave after s2
Din didn’t even want to unite the Mandalorians. You seen the last episode of S2 where he didn’t want the Darksaber? Did we just all forget about that?
@@achaudhari101sometimes the best leaders are reluctant to seize power or reject it entirely.
I think Grogu returning to Din was totally Favreau's idea. He's obsessed with the whole nurture over nature theme, even when it hurts the story.
Disagree, while I had hoped there would be a Grogu/Luke connection (and the season two trailer made me believe it before hand, because of the way the scenes were cut together felt like homage to locations/scenes featured in the OT), I think they generally have a tentative long-term plan in which Grogu would always return to Din Djarin, and Luke Skywalker would return to the shadows until a time where he is needed/comes back into focus...(Thrawn, New Order, Snokes!). The themes here are about both What is a Mandalorian and what is a Jedi how can all of these things come together and co-exist? Grogu changed Djarin and Djarin brought a few different sects of Mandalorians together, while also making friends with Jedi or psuedo Jedi. Ahsoka now has paired Sabine with Ahsoka, so we have a clear juxtaposition here harking back to the Tarre Vizla myth, but at a time where war is once again coming (Thrawn/Heir to the Empire) and many peoples are going to need to band together...
@@DarthSharpNo. It's literally a pattern in Jon Favreau's works where the orphan boy returns to his preferred family.
I dno felt more like a marketing thing
As you can clearly see in Book of Boba Fett, which does not help. I wouldn't mind Din and Boba teamup if Grogu was not involved, but instead, I've would not have minded with CGI'd Luke Skywalker.
That's the thing, I do believe that was always going to be the ultimate plan, but hastened it because upstairs marketing reasons. It's rather clear to me that the endgame is or was to have Grogu become a Mandalorian Jedi and have him reforge the Darksaber which was always going to be destroyed.
The idea that the higher ups not interfering let's the show be good... sounds like a reasonable theory.
If the last episode of skeleton crew is good and does not screw up... I might give it a try.
I have around 10 friends who had a subscription. The majority of them canceled it after TBOBF and Kenobi. Most didn't watch even Mando season 3.
So... 😕
Your friends are weird.
@achaudhari101 And who isn't?
@@MCsCreations Your friends?
Imho opinion, mando should have left grogu with it's people. I would have let grogu being picked up in some E.T. kinda fashion so grogu would be safe. Being left with Luke is also fine with me, but I would have done it with the first option personally. It keeps the species mysterious and I think it would have fit better with what the force master told mando.
Either way, the show is called: the Mandalorian and I think it would have been a great point for some character development. With grogu out of the picture, mando could focus more on his people "the mandolorians". But grogu became a cashcow for the house of mouse and he was still around in season 3 with just filler stuff. The season could have been better without Grogu if you ask me.
Let's not forget that Lucas "tinkered" with the earlier "Star Wars" movies. Adding a musical number, and other CGI crap to a movie that was beloved. When asked why he would do that, Lucas said they were his films, and he could do whatever he wanted. Now Disney is doing the same thing, but adding in socio-political messages that they seem to believe is more important than creating something that is entertaining. And, as always, let's not forget that it was Lucas who handpicked Kathleen Kennedy to take over as head of the Lucasfilm division of Disney. And he got over $4 billion for the rights.
And why is no one watching "Skeleton Crew"? It's the "Judge Dredd" effect. There was that Stallone abomination. And when the reboot "Dredd" was made, and it was really good, it still bombed. Why? Because the first try was so bad, people (like me) figured it would just be another terrible adaptation. Then I watched it and was shocked at how good it was. But, as the old saying goes, "Fool me once..."
What happened with Mando is pretty much why I'm not in any rush to watch Skeleton Crew
Mando roped me back into Starwars and I thought "Oh, I guess they're getting their act together". Then Obiwan, Boba, Ahsoka and Mando season 3 all let me down.
I don't really want to get invested if the bigwigs are just going to show up and mess with the story.
And three of those shows are overhated.
@@achaudhari101 Not hated enough since they haven't done what they did with Willow
@@Ihavethetouch I just find it sociopathic in a petty way to think they are goose eggs like that. Come on man.
@ You're weird af, get a life.
So the problem is that they meddled and it was a success. When they bought Star Wars in what, 2014? They said to themselves "We have fans like nerds locked in. They'll show up no matter what we shovel. How do we get people to come who aren't nerds?" And they added a bunch of shit to get the other people to come to the theater and it worked. The nerds showed up just like they wanted and some extras showed up to see a black dude and a girl headline Star Wars. Success. They were 100% correct.
The problem is that this was short term thinking. Their shallow fanwank stories fell flat, their writers weren't skilled, their directors were uninspired, their characters were insipid. Eventually they lose the hardcore fans, the "extra" people who they tricked into coming to theaters abandoned them because all that other stuff, they're left with a steaming pile of crap. Even if they try and make amends it's too little too late. They lost their core fans. Regardless of what comes out in the future, Star Wars is dead.
Hey Thor, reading has been helping me get through some recent health problems & I've started getting into the EU. Other people have asked similar questions, but I'm already a ways in & with Master and Apprentice & Catalyst next up. Would be nice to have your thoughts on where to go after that. Love your's & Naboo's content.
P.S. - for reference, I've read Darth Plagueis, Dark Disciple, Lords of the Sith, A New Dawn, Tarkin, Darth Bane trilogy, & Dark Lord trilogy.
Have you read the origunal Thrawn Trilogy yet?
7:20 Well, Agatha only cracked the Nielsen top 10 in its last week, and Disney seems genuinely happy with it, so I ain't too pessimistic just yet.
8:50 Yep. I have the same three so far and plan on adding this one as well. Physical media FTW.
Publicly, Disney has to be happy with Agatha no matter the numbers because it is female centric and "the gayest Marvel project ever".
While the future of entertainment might be less DEI focused, we are still not there...
My solution to the Mando / Grogu problem:
Freeze Mando in carbonite in the Mando movie. Grogus best option would be to go back to Luke. When he's older and properly trained he goes on to rescue mando.
Could be handled almost like it was planned from the start. Denies call to adventure with Luke but circumstances makes him accept in the end.
Just let Bryce Dallas Howard run things and call it good Disney. geez
If Skeleton crew had been a 2 hr movie, it wouldn't have been as good, but I 100% would have paid full price tickets to the theater to see it- easily over $30 for my whole family
After taking 2024 off from watching any Star Wars (such was my mood with the direction it had taken) i recently did a watch through of all live action Star Wars.
I was surprised how much more I enjoyed Ahsoka and Mando S3. Outside of the Jack Black and Lizzo episode there was little wrong there that some tighter editing couldnt have fixed. Sackoff was given more screentime true, but IMO she did very well with it and i hope we see more of her in the future.
Book of Boba should never had been a series, at best it should have been a made for Disney + 2 hour movie and the majority of his flashbacks should have been saved for a comic or novel if they felt people were really that curious.
Same with Kenobi, it didnt need 6 to 8 hours to tell a decent story. They could have simply used 'Taken' as a template and had Ben rescuing Leia from the kidnappers and a single Inquisitor and escaping just as Vader arrives who goes batshit after having missed his shot at revenge which would have just enhanced their meeting in a New Hope.
I honestly think they're using the legacy characters as a way to introduce brand new compelling characters vs fleshing out the legacy characters.
I think they honestly thought the acolyte would some how win back the fandom and skeleton crew would be a victory lap
they thought Skeleton Crew was going to flop and Acolyte would be awesome. ....Doh!
Acolyte was a personal project for Kennedy, hence why it got all the marketing and push.
Skeleton Crew, similar to Andor, was primarily green lit because Disney needed additional material to keep a full schedule of rotating new major brand content as a draw for streaming subscriptions. Thus it was generally left alone with minimal involvement (if any) by Kennedy while she focused on the “bigger” projects.
@ 🎶Hey ho....Kennedy must go
Hi Thor For the final episode of Skeleton Crew I believe we are un for a suprice. When Jod comes up in the supervisor tower We se him approaching the supervisor from behind suddenly the chair turns around and we now se George Lucas himself sitting there. He then says, good that you are here I need a lift. I've been disconnected from this galaxy long enough now......😂
Hey Thor,
I think they'll one day make a Sequel era show and have these kids in it as adults. That way, the audience will have some familiar characters in it that they like and so it makes them more likely to watch and enjoy the show. Either that, or the kids might have a role in the Sequel era movies they have planned. What do you think of this?
They brought grogu to animal speak with the rancor. For future riding the mythasaur.
I also didn’t have a lot of issues with BoBF, I get it, but covid was a problem that came in the middle of all this, but I want Luke to have as much time as possible and all these shows connected. Sure, Mando three was less exiting, but how could it not be?
Every episode was of Boba was directed by a different person so they all felt different with different tones. I didn't mind the Tusken raider stuff but the things that killed it was the mods and their silly bikes. Boba being old slow and boring. the snails pace chase scene and being a fan of the Rancor I really didn't like how they turned them into cuddly pets.
I didn't start watching Skeleton Crew until it was 5 episodes in. Shows like Obi Wan, bookmof boba, and the acolyte burned me and so I just didn't feel all that enthusiastic about it. Of course I eventually watched it and was very happy with it. But I think that's why the numbers suck. People were burned one too many times from other shows.
i am a weird kind of star wars fan: as a kid i was obsessed with Han Solo and Chewbacca being hunted by Boba Fett paying back Jabba the Hutt or fighting back and killing the crime boss, the Rebels vs Imperials was cool as hell... but i never saw Jedi as interesting and i became more sick of the Jedi as i got older so shows like Skeleton Crew or Season 1 of Mando interest me more because they don't feature Jedi
Youre not weird;
For a lot of later fans it was all about the cool Clone Troopers and Military Sci Fi thanks to Republic Commando and TCW, so a lot of people like that are less interested in jedi stuff per say but will like Military stuff like Rogue One and Andor or The Bad Batch
When I heard that mando season 3 had immediatly brought back Grogu I just assumed it had transitioned from "new thing, able to be creative" to "too valuable to risk creativity", and never even bothered watching it.
Din Djarin's story should have just ended with Season 2, with him becoming a secondary character in other media if they really wanted to keep him around. Want more mandalorian protagonist shows? Make a Bo-Katan show explicitly about retaking mandalore, rather than piggypacking it off the other mandalorian show. (I don't want that, mandos are cool, but its a big galaxy and they shouldn't somehow be the galactic protagonists. Yet between this, the clone wars, or Karen Traviss' mando obsession from back in Legends days, I don't think we really need to make mandalorians any more prominent. You know what I want? I want more of Zahn's Ascendency stuff.)
Man, I really don’t know why folks hate Kenobi and Ashoka are so bad. They had issues but they weren’t abysmal. There was a lot good in them!! All of them leaps and bounds better than Aco or TLJ!!!
That's not a high bar to cross. Those two came out at a time that people were still expecting something to be good, so disappointment was palpable and had more prominent characters.Kenobi was needlessly canon-defiling mess, while Ashoka required Marvel-level studying to get hang of.
Ahsoka had the makings of an actually good show until they failed to stick the landing. Still not terrible, and certainly better than Acolyte, but definitely one of several steps in the wrong direction.
Ashoka wasted my time; they dragged out scenes that should've be trimmed and cut anything interesting off too early
For Kenobi it's really simple. The writing was bad they contradict the canon multiple times of Kenobi straight up leaving Luke out in the dessert. Reva was a terrible addition in her character arc is as inconsistent as the show only OSHA and Mae beating her out.
The only slightly good thing about the show was for rematch of Obi-Wan and Darth Vader and that even has his own problems by itself.
I watch the show through and that is the only Star wars show that I fully watch through because since then I do not trust Disney at all to actually tell a good story or to make a show quite interesting when they can't even do their legacy characters right.
Ahsoka was good but wrapped up poorly, I genuinely think it suffered from a shorter run time. They wanted to set up the new Galaxy AND have Thrawn's successful return so a lot gets stuffed into the last 3 episodes, Thrawn was terribly written in spite of him being set up to win to facilitate the theatrics in the Temple. Good, but flawed with a bad ending.
I liked it, im excited for season 2.
The worst thing a Star Wars that can happen to a Star Wars show, or really any show these days, is be successful. Mando, House of the Dragon, Witcher, etc...
1. Corporate ghouls and activists put all their focus and money in some bloated mess of a production they think is the "next big thing," allowing a creative with talent to slip a low-budget passion project under the radar.
2. The earnest charm and passion that went into the show makes it a big hit with fans and it's renewed for a new season.
3. Corporate ghouls and activists want to maximize revenue and get their names on the "next big thing" and force needless changes and messaging on the show, stifling the creative's vision.
4. New season is noticeably worse than the last one and is panned by the audience.
5. Refusing to admit defeat, ghouls and activists put more focus and money on the production, allowing someone with talent to slip a low-budget passion project under the radar.
6. Rinse and Repeat.
Hey Thor, do you think future Star Wars shows should release all of their episodes at once upon release? While this is definitely not the only thing holding back the viewership numbers, I feel that this would be beneficial to those who want to watch it all at once. I personally like getting to have something new to watch each week but I’d like to hear your thoughts on this.
Here's a question for you. How much do you think the parade of pro-Disney Star Wars influencers - chasing clout or access - hurt the brand more than they help it? Because they say every Star Wars product is amazing they have no credibility when a show actually is good and they're speaking to the increasingly small choir. And they're propping up Disney producing more of the same usually bad content. Meanwhile the more critical channels have been derided by Disney's acolytes as mindless haters, or worse, thus diminishing the reach of honest critics. In a natural state, I think your general stance would be the prevalent one, not to give you too much praise..
I dropped my Disney + subscription. Disney has proven they cannot tell a goof Star Wars story. If season 3 of Andor is as good or better than the 1st I don't care, they napalmed that bridge.
While I agree that bringing Grogu back at the start of Season was a bad decision, because of the neglible ("tacked on") role he plays I find it hard to blame the low quality of S3 on it. That has more to do do with the stories we got, with Bo Katan replacing Mando as the main character. Was that Disneys idea or Favreau & Filoni? And the worst episodes of S3 (IMHO) are E3 The convert and E6 Guns for Hire. E3 features neither Mando nor Grogu, I can't see any Disney meddling in that. E6 has good guest stars (Jack Black and Christopher Lloyd) and hooks for interesting stories (the role of ex-imperials in the new republic, the role of androids and when the commisioner admits to being a CIS-supporter). They are wasted in favor of scenes like Mando investigating droids by just randomly kicking them. That too I find hard to blame on Disneys interference.
I think despite Disneys interference a good part of blame has to be put on Favreau and Filoni, the same guys produced the excellent seasons 1 and 2.
Mando S3 had a lot going on around it.
The Gina Carano fiasco had just exploded, with the casualty of killing the Rangers series that would have been her vehicle. That show would have been the place for dealing with the former Imperials and the mystery problems on the Rim. With the loss of that show, Favreau had to rush incorporating some of those elements into Mando S3 in order for the overall plans for the Mandoverse to keep on track.
Favereau and Filoni were also brought in at the end of BOBF production to try to fix problems that the higher ups saw. (According to rumor, they literally finished a rushed re-editing of the final episode just hours before it had to be uploaded to the servers for the premier release.) That is a major factor in what led to the inclusion of Mando and the return of Grogu in that series, to try to bring something in that the audience would appreciate. Otherwise that first Mando episode in BOBF would have been the opening for Mando S3, and Grogu’s return would have come much later.
Also according to rumor, during the Mando S3 production, things got so bad between Favreau and Kennedy that he forbid anyone even saying her name in his presence.
Andor grew after release as it was simply that good as a show. Not even as a Star Wars show. Skeleton crew is a good Star Wars show, not a good show.
Hey Thor.
I know people want a Season 2 of Skeleton crew. But my question is, how would you even do that? As cool as it would be to see, from how the show is playing out I think it'll just be a one and done thing. I can't really see the show continuing past a single season. Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed the show but sometimes maybe a one and done story can really be better than multiple seasons, dragging it out.
The kids aren't going to want to stay cooped up on that planet forever after an adventure like that.
@@Offbreed309 "There's no place like home." Remember that the point, as stated by the producers, was to rekindle the "Amblin Entertainment" 80s feeling. The adventure ends, the kids go back to "real life"...but having been enriched by their experience.
@strikeflyer I agree with you. I've enjoyed Skeleton Crew, and as much as I'm eagerly awaiting the finale, I also hope this is a one-and-done story. If they they just leave the story line open for a second season that may never happen (looking at you, Ahsoka!) I'll be left unhappy and unsatisfied. But if they pull off a satisfying conclusion of this story, I'll be left a satisfied customer. And that's what Disney should strive to do: Leave us each season satisfied with the story we got, beginning, middle, and end.
@@kirkdarling4120 I'm just answering the, "how would you even do that?"
You can have an ending that wraps up nicely and still have a second season, it's not mutually exclusive.
Do I personally think there will be a season 2? No, because it was genuinely good and Disney doesn't know what to do with that. But it doesn't prevent me from being able to speculate further on the story. Plus, it doesn't really matter what the producers say if Disney wants to make another season to exploit because this one does well, they will.
Some people (like me) might also be waiting for all the episodes to be out before watching it.
I am interested in watching the show but not in subscribing to Disney+ for more than one month.
Yeah it wasn’t magnet tricks
mandalorian fell off when they stopped doing episodic storytelling and decided to go and kill off every single one of it's neat ideas. I wanted a whole arc of Din handling the dark saber himself and not go the very hollywood route of not realizing those ideas to its fullest that benefits the character the most.
I wanted that rivalry between Din and Paz to mean something beyond the route of just showing their dynamic at its most shallow when they know that they're going to kill off Paz in a tragic death.
For tbobf, i wanted the show to feel like an actual tv show to show me why Boba Fett turned somewhat good. Instead the entire show was Boba Fett barely doing anything in the new role that he was given because the show again, ONLY HAS 7 EPISODES! ONE OF THEM TAKEN BY THE MANDALORIAN!
i feel like these live action star wars shows have the biggest problem with fully realizing their ideas because of the needed presence and budget needed for these "tv shows". There's so much long production cycles for these shows that feel unfinished/unrealized.
It's painfully obvious it doesn't.
Mandoverse should be the rebirth of Mandalorian empire and Djin end up leading his people but we have Jon snow In don't want it but gave it to Bokatan may be worst ruler of Mandalorea ... or Just give me Sabine trying unite her people with Ezra help mirro Satine and Obi wan journey
the bo katan integration was so forced. they just got bored of din because he was a popular character and wanted to screw it up on purpose.
Din would have been a bad choice to lead the Mandalorians. He was too much of the lone wolf. Not that he couldn’t lead at need in a given moment, but he was not one inclined toward or interested in what it takes to long-term govern - political diplomacy, economic policy planning, etc.
Din was good at the “Everyman” level, just trying to make his way in the universe. He had no visions for a changed future, just a desire for his own little dream and being left alone to chase it.
Hey Thor - Why isn't Admiral Akbar's ship filled with water?
Hey Thor, what does failure of Skeleton Crew mean for the future of Disney + Star Wars shows? In this I mean will we see less original standalone shows?
I think the great downfall for Disney+ began with Mando S3. It was a show with 2 fantastic seasons but they totally shifted the pov in S3 by making Bo the focus of the story when it should have been Din (without Grogu). Andor is a masterpiece 'cause they gave creative freedom to an Oscar nominated screenwriter. Skeleton Crew seems to have creative freedom too but thanks to the hit or miss mentality it's suffering from people losing interest in SW.
I think that Disney is kind of desperate. They want the investment in Star Wars to start to pay off but, under the circumstances, the IP is tainted by past actions and history and their desires to hurry things along just undermine the progress that could be made.
《This is not "The Ol' Smoothie" you're looking for》
...i'm sorry, did somebody say there was "Original" Disney STAR WARS Content...?
~Mando & Grogu = Knockoff Boba Fett & Knockoff Yoda...
(& "IG-11" ...rea11y...?)
~ROGUE ONE = the Crawl for STAR WARS...
(written by George Lucas & Brian De Palma)
~ANDOR = the Sequel to the Prequel Trilogy AND/OR the Prequel to the Original Trilogy...
~BAD BATCH = the Continuation of THE CLONE WARS...
(Created by George Lucas)
~SKELETON CREW = Knockoff TREASURE PLANET & Knockoff THE GOONIES...
~THE ACOLYTE = okay, you can have that one, if you want it...?
...imo, if Disney had made the Sequel Trilogy based on Lucas's Story Treatmemts, then George would have been able to say, "yeah, that's some good STAR WARS right there!!!"
...but, instead we got...
~TFA = Knockoff ANH
~TLJ = Knockoff ESB
~TROS = Knockoff ROTJ
...& the less said about SOLO, the better...
~Alden Ehrenreich = Knockoff Han Solo
(also 4" shorter than Harrison Ford)
~Joonas Suotamo = Knoccoff Chewbacca
(also 4" shorter than Peter Mayhew)
~Donald Glover = Knockoff Lando Calrissian
(also 3" shorter than Billy Dee Williams & nowhere near as smooth)
👽 🖖 🤖
...in all fairness, maybe we just have Different Definitions of "Original"...
Chatgpt brought me here. Just thought I'd post that :)
Just watched the finale it was solid. Not amazing or anything that had me really excited but it was a solid ending. And the boys actually got to be useful for once.
This isn’t News from Naboo 🤨🤨
I've been skipping Disney+ SW shows since the end of Ahsoka. I've been burned enough by Disney's mixed performance that I'm not likely to watch much new Star Wars content until they start consistently putting out shows and movies that are consistently good. I don't think they can pull off anything solid with Mando in the future, and I honestly doubt that S2 of Andor is going to be the salvation of the franchise - as it's definitely the most high visibility project right now, it's almost certainly the project that executives are the most involved at the moment.
The only star wars content I watch is yours. Tho andor sn 2 might get me back for a minute.
Everyone keeps crapping on Disney without taking a look at KK these days. Do we know how much of it is due to directives straight from Disney and how much is due to KK? Granted, they decided to keep her on despite everything, but it feels like people are giving her a pass now.
It has to do better than Aco, it just has to, but I bet there is a good number of Aco fans also not watching SC out of spite for it getting cancelled (as if it was other fan’s fault for real, it was bad!).
Hi Thor. From what I know Jon planned for Din to go and reunite the Mandalorians in s3. Grogu should train with Luke. There was hints from Jon about a Luke and Grogu show/adventure. But Jon lost control over his mandoverse to Dave after s2.
Why?
I do think it has to do with that Jon had Iger to remove Kathleen from his project, cause she was interrupting the planning. Ther is a video that shows her interrupting Jon with complete nonsense.
So Jon and the "mandoverse" got on fine for 2 seasons. Then Chapek brought Kathleen back.
Then Gina was fired and also, in secret Dave got promoted to ECM. So he now took all creativ control over Jons project. This was after Mando s2.
Reasons? Probably that Jon made Iger put her aside, but also since Jon managed to make Luke a hero again. And fans loved it.
This made her and her "masterpiece" the sequels look even worse. So as I understand it wasn't the Luke snd Grogu scenes planned in BoBF in Jon's version.
What we hVe seen lately is this relationship with Kathleen and Dave, they can't stop complementing each other It is like with her an Rian.
Tin foil much?
How about we not give Disney and Lucasfilm credit for the Fallen Order games all they did was approve of story elements for the game Respawn did most of the work.
The more praise I hear for andor the more desperate i think the star wars community is. that show was not good, but people (not me) think its better than anything in recent years so people love it. I definitely dont understand. i fell asleep during some of those episodes.
That might be a you problem.
Disney bought Star Wars, now they can keep it
Will SC get a second season?
People say Ahsoka was bad but at the time people loved it UNTIL the last episode which had a rather weak (although not necessarily bad) ending which left the entire season feeling disappointing despite most of the episodes being really good.
Nah, Thrawn's return is inconsequential thanks to Sequel Trilogy. He obviously can't win and I refuse to believe he'd help a bunch of Empire cosplayers become and even worse organization
You think we're tired of and disappointed with Disney Star Wars? How do you think George Lucas feels?
He’s a shareholder and last I checked you disowned him because he didn’t vote for Peltz.
i just dont understand lucasfilm/ hasbro’s lack of support… like why no skeleton crew tvc figures? Wtf
Please, please get better numbers SC!!!!
"prety subpar"....understatement, it was awful, and you need only see the screenshot of Lizzo and Jack Black in-frame.
In fairness, the online fandom has made it very clear that they also don't know what's best for Star Wars
I hear people saying the show is good but sadly, I couldn't care less. To me, the most important thing in a show / movie / universe is the continuity and the "believability". In my opinion, the canon and universe is beyond broken so I have absolutely no interest to see any new story in it. Just for the record, I'm a 47 year old who's been seriously into Star Wars since I saw Return of the Jedi in theatre. I would have never believed that I would find Star Wars lame and uninteresting...
Do not forget accountability and commonality.
that's sad. i like good stories no matter what
I don't care if Skeleton Crew is good, because Star Wars is now bad
Disney shit the bed for The Mandalorian, at first it was the Star Wars content that got me excited for Star Wars again, until they ruined it
It had one great season and one good season. Once Mando had to remove his helmet it fell off
Again, BS reasons.
@@achaudhari101Oh no, people's reasons for not supporting bad products are not good enough for you
@@Ihavethetouch If they make no sense, yes I will call out. Like how does Din removing his helmet mean the show is cooked? That makes no sense.
I'm sorry but I'm not waiting a week between every episode when they don't even last 40 minutes.
That's why it's better to just watch a series at a better pace once it's all out.
As someone who broke multiple lightsaber toys growing up from dueling with my friends as kids, and as someone who spent an embarrassingly high amount of hours playing SWTOR back in the day, and as someone who named my latest cat Snips, I can say for myself the reason I’m not watching skeleton crew is not because I don’t think it looks good or that I don’t want to watch a show geared toward kids. I just don’t care about Disney SW anymore. After the acolyte, they’ve finally broke me.
There's nothing wrong with a show geared for kids in the Star Wars universe, just as there was nothing wrong with Andor being a show geared for adults (at least for people not suffering attention deficit). And somewhere there is to be told a hilarious comedy (like "Kelly's Heroes") and a pure romance story like "Casablanca."
well skeleton crew is a good show and its for kids and families. the ewok movies existed y'know so this better not just be an argument against anything made for kids
@@heroicgangster9981 you misread what I said. I said that’s NOT why I’m not watching it. I don’t care if it’s geared toward kids. George Lucas himself said he made Star Wars for 12 year old boys. I do think it looks good. I just have zero desire to watch anything from Disney anymore. They broke me enthusiasm for new Star Wars. At least from them
You don't believe what Favreau says? Then why believe anything ANYONE at Lucasfilm says? I mean, I've always been skeptical that Filoni is this huge EU fan and lore master, but that's just me. And yes, I don't trust anything anyone says at Lucasfilm.
I can tell you why I'm not watching. I've heard it's good from you and others, but I've been kinda worn down by all the Star Wars that was not good that I'm tired. Same thing happened with star trek, I've heard great stuff about Lower Decks particularly after the first season, but given the stuff that has come out I'm rather worn out to watch it.
I say it comes off as an excuse and thinking people like Thor is somehow an idiot in your mind.
@@achaudhari101 Huh? I have nothing but love for Thor
@@EflowNivek No I think there’s some kind of envy when you don’t agree on his take if something is worth watching. It comes off either like you’re somewhat jealous he still has hope or you’re nearing the apathy black pill train of just hoping he becomes jaded as well.
@achaudhari101 so because you think I don't agree with him I'm jealous? Your perspective is fascinating. I've never said the series doesn't have value nor do I think someone that likes it is an idiot you've put those words in my mouth. What I said is I'm tired of watching one good series for every two or so bad ones. I'm simply expressing why I'm not watching and talking some Star Wars.
@ Yet you’re on a channel that is going to talk about it regardless of the quality of the content.
Honestly? I was enjoying the series. But the finale was lacking. Like it was wrapped up waaaaay to quick. It didnt feel like a finish to the series. Just my opinion.
I wouldn’t have paid for D+ to watch this and I’m watching it. It’s alright.
I don't remember season 3 being so bad at all. WTF!?
It wasn’t. People just wanted to hate it because of Grogu returning to Din and Gina getting fired.
Three words killed SW for me...Jack Black and Lizzo.
@ They we’re barely in the episode for like 5 minutes total.
One thing I’ve noticed about Skeleton Crew, which relates to Thor’s comment about Andor, is that the praise for SC has been pretty subdued thus far, whereas Andor was getting a ton of enthusiastic coverage even before the season finale. I haven’t seen either show, despite many reviews (that I trust) heaping praise on Andor, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just find it interesting to observe the different reactions at similar points in each shows run. I also think it bodes poorly for SC’s reception down the road. It would be hard to see it getting the Andor treatment at the moment.
So, should Star wars just go away? People shat all over the Prequels, so apparently Lucas can't do SW right. Disney occasionally gets it right but not for long enough. We lived for years without Star Wars. Just find fanfic that suits your vision.
2:36 Thor, the reason Jon Favreau says it was his idea, is because it almost certainly _was_ his idea. The guy is a businessman. Regardless of whatever narrative has sprung up around him - that's he's "a real SW fan" just trying to fight the good fight against the diabolical KK etc - and regardless of the more creative aspects of where he came from - acting, writing etc - he is now, in the present, a _businessman_ first and foremost. Perceptibly more likeable than most of them? Sure. But really any different? No.
I’m still pissed they fired one of their best actresses and a wonderful human being, denying us both a potentially awesome show and the character of Cara Dune.
Disney actually creates a strong woman fighter character who the fans think is awesome and then they fire her because they didn’t like how she voted.
Wonderful human being?...eeehhh...
@ I can’t think of any genuinely scandalous thing she’s done. Just the fake “scandal” that was used as an excuse to fire her because a vocal minority on Twitter was butthurt about a joke she made.
@ That wasn't what happened.
@ it’s why it happened.
@generalesdeath5836 No she made other posts that were not jokes at all and was told by Disney to stop it, but she didn't. That's why they fired her.
After the mandalorian season 3, I'm out . Not subscribing for a 5 year old starwars show. The Acolytes was the death nail. Over it 😊
That’s a BS excuse.
@achaudhari101 A BS excuse? Why is that? Disney Starwars has disappointed me for the last time. Subscribe to a channel for The Skeleton crew ? Give me a break. Enjoy your 5 year old show. The viewership says everything you need to know. It's over Disney Starwars just isn't any good .
@@gerrystarchild That’s how you interpret it but it’s not dead at all. Hurt yes, but dead? No.
@achaudhari101 Well, my money to spend how I want to spend it . Subscribing to a company that doesn't deliver? No thanks .
@ Doesn’t deliver on what?
Season 2 of Mando ended well (wonky CG aside) and that's where I stopped watching because I didn't need more. Disney execs want to sell Merch and any media they put out is to service that goal. Ratings are just a metric we get to see but the money comes from the merch sales. I'm not here for the merch, I'm here for the story. If I like the story I'll buy the merch and that's the connection they haven't figured out yet.
Many in the fanbase actively want to see Disney suffer and fail... and as such, will not watch Star Wars. I've said it many times, but except for Andor season 2, I'm completely out of Disney Star Wars until KK is gone, Disney admits its mistakes, apologies are given to the fans, and Lucasfilm makes things right.
One day we will wake up and it will be like Christmas. Something has to give.
Well those people are just wanting the franchise dead.
@@achaudhari101 You don't understand consumerism do you?
@@adriandenton6637 I understand consumerism has sociopaths that think they know what’s best for people.
Disney catching Halo snydrome?
(half of 343 games dont make sense without having read the books)
343 isn't Halo. Bungie is Halo. 343 is a corpo slop vessel not unlike what Lucasfilm has become.
There is no such thing as "The Andor Effect", that's just cope. It's a good show, don't get me wrong, but people are not exactly subscribing into Disney+ in droves to watch it.
There was literally an Andor effect for Andor
3rd! 😁