I hate that I have to do this, but I know that if I don't I'm going to get a lot of angry comments about this stuff (and I probably still will anyways), but to answer two comments preemptively, 1. Maya turns 18 years old in Justice For All, which is where the romantic moments start occurring, and 2. While Maya DOES say "I have to be a good big sister to Pearly and Nick, too!" in Trials & Tribulations' credits, I hope you can understand why one off handed comment in the credits that could easily be read as a joke on Maya's part is kind of a non argument when put up against the amount of stuff hinting at something romantic shown in this video. Also, if you're craving more, and can handle anime, check out the third ending theme for the Ace Attorney anime, "Starting Blue". There's some fun stuff in there, too. Finally, as a bonus game, try to point out every inaccuracy in my recreations of the scenes. I just copy and pasted the text, but the effort I put into some scenes varied greatly from rewatching the original scene and copying the exact formatting and timing and everything to just winging it and doing it all myself with no guide.
You forgot some very choice promo poster images... as well as the PL vs PW scene(s) {I know some will claim that the crossover isn't canon, but still...}. I think there's some other choice moments from the mangas, but I can't think of them right now.
The ending of 1-4 also counts, I think, from Maya's side. And the beginning of 1-5, where Nick is so distraught at her absence that he refuses to take cases.
I avoided mentioning anything from the first game because Maya was still 17 there. Those are good signs of how platonically close they became over the course of the first game though.
I know it's not canon, but there's a TON of Feynick stuff from PLvAA and since its official material I thougbt I should recommend it for a compilation like this
Someone else mentioned Professor Layton VS Phoenix Wright too! I'm not familiar with that game though, what are some of the most notable moments in that game?
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 My memory is probably blurry but there's this part where a character asks about soulmates and I think Nick says he believes he'll never find his. (this was when he thought Maya had died.)
I think Turnabout Time Traveler is worth mentioning as far as parallels go for both Phoenix and Sorin Sprocket risking their own lives to save a loved one
I hadn't thought of that being a parallel before. There's lots of parallels like that in Trials & Tribulations, and I thought about mentioning them, but I didn't mention them because I didn't feel like they were concrete enough. I did think of Turnabout Time Traveler for the Wedding Bouquet scene though. Ultimately didn't count it as it was too easy to write off as typical Maya shenanigans.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 Maybe I look too much into it, but the Turnabout Time Traveler felt like a little hint to me( and arguably it wasn't the only hint throuout the SOJ), with the whole theme of this case while both Phoenix, and Maya would discuss about the topic of marriage, how Maya teased him that he should take notes about showing vulnebarities to capture woman's heart, the bouquete scene, groom risking his own life to save his bride because of quote on quote "power of love"
@@mr.mustachio941 I FORGOT ABOUT MAYA TELLING HIM TO TAKE NOTES LMAO. That one would've been good to include in the video, assuming I'm remembering the scene correctly now.
You scared me for a second lmao, I just checked, it's on the Ace Attorney wiki, and says that it's from "Naruhodo Gyakuten Saiban! (10) (by Kumiko Suekane) DreaMaga game magazine". So yes, official!
I'm not sure what to make of the card in general. Please Capcom bring it back. Personally, I feel like the feelings between Phoenix and Maya started to crystalize in Farewell, My Turnabout. That's the one that really puts their relationship to the test, and the one where Phoenix openly admits to Edgeworth and Pearl that Maya is the person closest to him, and then the next case in the timeline, The Stolen Turnabout, has SEVERAL potentially romantic moments. So yes, I think the card could absolutely be considered a moment. It's not exactly concrete though, and I didn't want this video to be a bunch of theorizing, (though it did get kinda theoryey anyways for the "wrong idea" part) I wanted it to be sort of a bullet point list of fairly strong evidence that suggests there's something more between them.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 apparently in one of short stories writing by Shu Takumi for the magazine Dreamage in 2005-2006 Franziska was trying to return the card to Phoenix only to Maya immediately snatching it out of embarrassment just before Phoenix could even take a look
Interestingly most of these moments are from T&T. I wonder if they set it up as a possible romantic ending for Phoenix. Given that it was supposed to be the end of their story.
There are a lot of parallels between Phoenix and Maya's relationship and actual romantic couples in Trials & Tribulations, and there's an argument to be made that Phoenix going crazy and eating the poison necklace to protect Dahlia because he was "madly in love with her" is set up for him to do the same thing for Maya later in the game, when he goes crazy and tries to cross the burning bridge. Looking at it from a narrative perspective, Narumayo is absolutely a narratively satisfying outcome to Trials & Tribulations. Trials & Tribulations is absolutely the Narumayo game, although they never truly commit to it. Thinking on it, Trials & Tribulations doesn't really commit to a lot of things... Like Maya saying she wants nothing to do with the Fey Clan.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 Well Maya says she wants to leave the Fey clan for emotional stakes. Her whole arc in the game is about how she is putting off actually trying to become the master of her village and take her mother's place. And that fits in with what Morgan plotted to do, so her saying that she wants to abandon her heritage is there to make her commitment at the end more impactful. I think.
I hate that I have to do this, but I know that if I don't I'm going to get a lot of angry comments about this stuff (and I probably still will anyways), but to answer two comments preemptively, 1. Maya turns 18 years old in Justice For All, which is where the romantic moments start occurring, and 2. While Maya DOES say "I have to be a good big sister to Pearly and Nick, too!" in Trials & Tribulations' credits, I hope you can understand why one off handed comment in the credits that could easily be read as a joke on Maya's part is kind of a non argument when put up against the amount of stuff hinting at something romantic shown in this video.
Also, if you're craving more, and can handle anime, check out the third ending theme for the Ace Attorney anime, "Starting Blue". There's some fun stuff in there, too.
Finally, as a bonus game, try to point out every inaccuracy in my recreations of the scenes. I just copy and pasted the text, but the effort I put into some scenes varied greatly from rewatching the original scene and copying the exact formatting and timing and everything to just winging it and doing it all myself with no guide.
You forgot some very choice promo poster images... as well as the PL vs PW scene(s) {I know some will claim that the crossover isn't canon, but still...}. I think there's some other choice moments from the mangas, but I can't think of them right now.
@@DigiVixen I haven't heard much about any moments in PL vs PW. That's interesting.
What are some of the promo posters?
wrightworth mfs when someone ships phoenix with a woman:
The ending of 1-4 also counts, I think, from Maya's side. And the beginning of 1-5, where Nick is so distraught at her absence that he refuses to take cases.
I avoided mentioning anything from the first game because Maya was still 17 there. Those are good signs of how platonically close they became over the course of the first game though.
I know it's not canon, but there's a TON of Feynick stuff from PLvAA and since its official material I thougbt I should recommend it for a compilation like this
Someone else mentioned Professor Layton VS Phoenix Wright too! I'm not familiar with that game though, what are some of the most notable moments in that game?
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 My memory is probably blurry but there's this part where a character asks about soulmates and I think Nick says he believes he'll never find his. (this was when he thought Maya had died.)
@@rinarou_ Damn, that would've been a great one to include in the video.
@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 Yeah it's a pretty solid moment but it's okay the video covered the main moments I ain't complaining lol
How dare UA-cam hide this from me for 1 day?!
I think Turnabout Time Traveler is worth mentioning as far as parallels go for both Phoenix and Sorin Sprocket risking their own lives to save a loved one
I hadn't thought of that being a parallel before. There's lots of parallels like that in Trials & Tribulations, and I thought about mentioning them, but I didn't mention them because I didn't feel like they were concrete enough. I did think of Turnabout Time Traveler for the Wedding Bouquet scene though. Ultimately didn't count it as it was too easy to write off as typical Maya shenanigans.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837
Maybe I look too much into it, but the Turnabout Time Traveler felt like a little hint to me( and arguably it wasn't the only hint throuout the SOJ), with the whole theme of this case while both Phoenix, and Maya would discuss about the topic of marriage, how Maya teased him that he should take notes about showing vulnebarities to capture woman's heart, the bouquete scene, groom risking his own life to save his bride because of quote on quote "power of love"
@@mr.mustachio941 I FORGOT ABOUT MAYA TELLING HIM TO TAKE NOTES LMAO. That one would've been good to include in the video, assuming I'm remembering the scene correctly now.
Peak has been released 🗣️🗣️🗣️
3:46 WAIT, THAT'S OFFICIAL ART?! I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS FAN ART
You scared me for a second lmao, I just checked, it's on the Ace Attorney wiki, and says that it's from "Naruhodo Gyakuten Saiban! (10)
(by Kumiko Suekane)
DreaMaga game magazine". So yes, official!
@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 I just saw it in an AMV once and assumed it was fan art, learning it's official art is a delight
This made my day
Oh, this just occurred to me: do you consider the card doodle to be a moment?
I'm not sure what to make of the card in general. Please Capcom bring it back.
Personally, I feel like the feelings between Phoenix and Maya started to crystalize in Farewell, My Turnabout. That's the one that really puts their relationship to the test, and the one where Phoenix openly admits to Edgeworth and Pearl that Maya is the person closest to him, and then the next case in the timeline, The Stolen Turnabout, has SEVERAL potentially romantic moments.
So yes, I think the card could absolutely be considered a moment. It's not exactly concrete though, and I didn't want this video to be a bunch of theorizing, (though it did get kinda theoryey anyways for the "wrong idea" part) I wanted it to be sort of a bullet point list of fairly strong evidence that suggests there's something more between them.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837
apparently in one of short stories writing by Shu Takumi for the magazine Dreamage in 2005-2006 Franziska was trying to return the card to Phoenix only to Maya immediately snatching it out of embarrassment just before Phoenix could even take a look
@@mr.mustachio941 I hope you're correct o that because that's pretty funny and shippy, lol
It's so peak💯
Good video! The illustration of Phoenix looking at Maya seems to be a parallelism of another illustration of Diego looking at Mia.
Interesting, I haven't seen that Diego and Mia one before
Interestingly most of these moments are from T&T. I wonder if they set it up as a possible romantic ending for Phoenix. Given that it was supposed to be the end of their story.
There are a lot of parallels between Phoenix and Maya's relationship and actual romantic couples in Trials & Tribulations, and there's an argument to be made that Phoenix going crazy and eating the poison necklace to protect Dahlia because he was "madly in love with her" is set up for him to do the same thing for Maya later in the game, when he goes crazy and tries to cross the burning bridge. Looking at it from a narrative perspective, Narumayo is absolutely a narratively satisfying outcome to Trials & Tribulations.
Trials & Tribulations is absolutely the Narumayo game, although they never truly commit to it. Thinking on it, Trials & Tribulations doesn't really commit to a lot of things... Like Maya saying she wants nothing to do with the Fey Clan.
@@nickolasobjectionlolstuff2837 Well Maya says she wants to leave the Fey clan for emotional stakes. Her whole arc in the game is about how she is putting off actually trying to become the master of her village and take her mother's place. And that fits in with what Morgan plotted to do, so her saying that she wants to abandon her heritage is there to make her commitment at the end more impactful.
I think.
Feynick shipping fans go brrrrrrr.
SO TRUE
100/10
Good work, love it ❤😁
Pearl has taken over his channel and has posted narumayo propaganda all over it
Pearl isnt wrong but this is still so sad to see...