That is an absolute kitchen sink full of dishes, either break-dish or reverse-dish. Glad to see Mark Allen up to the challenge against Mick. And Mick in prime form, too. This match was an absolute dynamo.
8ball is a different ball game than snooker. A lot more fiddly & intricate with smaller pockets compared to the object ball & especially the cue ball. There's also a lot less space to manoeuvre the cue ball on the pool table, being a quarter of the size of a snooker table. Less doesn't always mean more.. Thankyou Mick for all your info on here to help others with a passion for the game. We change over from Blackball rules to International this Thursday in our League so taking all this onboard & all fired ❤️🔥 up to show 'em all the tricks I'm learning from the Champ 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆
@@mozb87 Yep. 😂 Seems like experience is crucial. On the other hand, back when Higgins, Williams and O'Sullivan were fresh on the tour, they already were very mature players in terms of how they played. Appears to me that the younger generation now lacks "drill".
Absolutely. Give them 100 frames at each game, snooker players would get at least 25 to 30 of the pool frames. Pool lads would be lucky to take 5 snooker matches
i play league. 5 players per team best out of 25(or first team to 13if it is hill hill) wins. and that 25 games 2 tables played at the same time can take anywher from 2hr30min to 3hrs to complete. an we play 45sec shotclock if the 8ball goes down it is loss of frame and foul is ball in hand. 3 point rule on the break. i think the 15sec/golden break was brought in to shave some time of the games.
I love watching these 2 amazing players. But just like most matches with fairly equally skilled players, the luck of the break ruins any ability to see who was clearly the better player. I've said it time and again, if they made it so that the person who breaks always gets another shot after the break regardless of whether they make a ball or not, you would see 90% of the luck of the break removed, and pool would become a much better and more interesting game. You wouldn't see 30 different guys winning tournaments then, the top of the rankings would solidify themselves with more consistent results for the best players. We need to cure this addiction to break ego. I will continue to advocate for this rule change for the rest of my life.
@@DM-kv9kj Although 9-ball has a much less random break than 8-ball. They can slow break the 1 ball into the side most of the time. Or even consistently pot into the corner. With the magic racks, it's so consistent that it's considered a mistake not to pot the exact ball you're intending to. The same cannot be said for 8-ball at all. Strangely Matchroom were trying to change it lately to make it _more_ random, which I thought was very strange. Unless they're just doing it because the layouts were starting to look similar from the controlled breaks. I.e. not only consistent break, but consistently easy layouts as well.
He wasn't much of a pool player if he turned pro in snooker at 16. Most snooker players played pool first just because pool tables are more widely available. Was he a pro pool player? I want the best of the best Pool players to play in a Snooker competition. The best of the best snooker player played in pool competitions, Ronnie, Judd, etc. Mike Massey is the only pool player i know and he did some trick shots with Steve Davis on a snooker table but didn't play a frame to my knowledge
Mark selby and Chris melling to name 2 off top of my head. I agree that snooker is a tougher game to play. Pool is by no means easy playing at the top.
Snooker players are very capable of a break dish but they will only win if they can do it more than their opponent. Snooker is different because both players are pretty much guaranteed a shot.
I'm a very poor snooker player but I would bet I could give any pool player a solid game. As the commentators said it's classed as a mickey mouse game. The reason why it's the easier game is they ball hits cushion but still goes in the pocket so accuracy is not the be all and end all. But in snooker if you hit the cushion first very rarely does the ball pot, plus playing on a 12ft. by 6 ft table accuracy is key and safety play is a large part of the game. Not so much in pool. Snooker players win pool tournaments pool players don't win snooker tournaments👑👑👑👑
@@stonedcrusader84 him and Gareth Potts played pool together most of their lives. Gareth seen a life chasing pool titles and selby decided to chase snooker titles. Still played pool for a similar length of time as snooker
Micks bottle is unbelievable he just focused on the balls not the hype about pool v snooker nonsense. If Andy Murray entered a table tennis tournament I wouldn't expect him to win it its not his game. Snooker players are great cue men but pool is a positional game and I personally think that's why Mick won
@@MegaZombywoof Mark Selby is a world class snooker player. He only plays pool for fun and to earn a few extra pounds. A pro snooker player could beat a pro pool player at pool, but a pro pool player could never ever not never beat a pro snooker player at snooker.
@@MegaZombywoof Mark Selby grew up playing snooker and pool because his father loved to play snooker. He became a professional snooker player in 1999 when he was 16 years old, two months after his father died from cancer. Daryl Peach was the first Brit to win the WPA World Nine-ball Men's Championship in 2007.
Don't forget also that as well as everything else Mark Allen had to make a once off adjustment to the different size balls, including the cue ball being smaller than the object balls which makes a huge difference in sighting and the way the cue ball behaves. I'd love to see Mick Hill try a professional snooker tournament. I couldn't see him winning even a single frame, but it would be good for a laugh. Actually, leave the pool table and pool rules and just swap the cue ball for one the same size as the other balls and Mick Hill wouldn't even be competitive.
One noticeable difference between pool and snooker is that pool players have far more control of the cue ball. Snooker players can often pot their way out of trouble but they come unstuck having to accurately navigate the cue ball around a much smaller table.
Yeah, but snooker players have much more cue ball control on a snooker table because tables are very different. I saw FSR and Joshua Filler playing snooker and they have no clue where the cue ball goes. I mean Chris Melling lost in 2014 against a 16 years old Zhao Xintong 5-1 at the Shanghai Masters in first round xD
The difference between pool and snooker is in the type of positional shots most frequently played and the size of table/balls. Plain and simple. Similar games, but very different too. And both require a lot of practice to become really good at, which is why nobody dominates all the disciplines. Let any of these two players have a go at playing a 3-cushion match and they would come out looking like complete amateurs, as would a 3-cushion player if he went up against the best pool/snooker players
I wonder why folks enjoy playing on such a tiny table. Other than snookers there is very little challenge to it. Would enjoy watching them play the pool games on a 6x12 table.
Smaller table doesn’t mean it’s an easy game. Where you could have 3 foot to land ur cue ball on a snooker table u have a foot and a half. Where u would have a foot of room on a snooker table u have 6 inches. Cue ball control is a must have
Toujours ces mêmes remarques stupides sur la facilité du pool par rapport au snooker. La réalité, c'est que les deux joueurs jouent sur la même table et que, par conséquent, sur un long run, le meilleur gagne. En 9ball, n'importe quel joueur de snooker se ferait massacrer par Sanchez ou Fedor et plein d'autres joueurs de top niveau.
Not really. Strickland lost and transitioning from snooker to American pool is a lot easier than English pool as the cue ball is a different size in English, whereas snooker and American pool they’re the same size
This is true for the middle pockets but generally speaking it’s a lot easier to transition from snooker to American or visa versa because the cutting angles are the same and the throw is similar. English 8 ball the cue ball is 1/8 of an inch smaller than all the object balls, so transitioning takes more time. Plus the balls are a lot lighter and smaller on English
Great to see the 6 times world champion in good form.
That is an absolute kitchen sink full of dishes, either break-dish or reverse-dish.
Glad to see Mark Allen up to the challenge against Mick. And Mick in prime form, too. This match was an absolute dynamo.
8ball is a different ball game than snooker.
A lot more fiddly & intricate with smaller pockets compared to the object ball & especially the cue ball.
There's also a lot less space to manoeuvre the cue ball on the pool table, being a quarter of the size of a snooker table.
Less doesn't always mean more..
Thankyou Mick for all your info on here to help others with a passion for the game.
We change over from Blackball rules to International this Thursday in our League so taking all this onboard & all fired ❤️🔥 up to show 'em all the tricks I'm learning from the Champ 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆
Amazing game of pool to watch. Micks knowledge and choosing of the right balls and paths showed. But we'll done Mark aswell some great BAD and RDs.
13:39 the best players are all from the golden generation 20 years ago, and all in their 40s.
Same as snooker...
Dunster is a youngn
@@chriscoatsworth6682 still not on Potts level for example
@@mozb87 Yep. 😂 Seems like experience is crucial.
On the other hand, back when Higgins, Williams and O'Sullivan were fresh on the tour, they already were very mature players in terms of how they played. Appears to me that the younger generation now lacks "drill".
It’s not snooker v pool no comparison here , snooker players can beat pool players but pool players will never beat snooker players
Who cares? Apart from you obviously.
Ha sure if you say so
Total rubbish
Absolutely. Give them 100 frames at each game, snooker players would get at least 25 to 30 of the pool frames. Pool lads would be lucky to take 5 snooker matches
@@Vince_Paul snooker as a game is a different level to pool. Fact
Met mick hill in Killarney hell of a nice fellow and a brilliant champion
Chris Melling is the only person to ever hold 9-ball, 8-ball and snooker tour card at the same time.
Love Mick, he absolutely let me beat him once…lovely guy 💕
Both the golden break and the 15 seconds a shot convert the game into a circus.
i play league. 5 players per team best out of 25(or first team to 13if it is hill hill) wins. and that 25 games 2 tables played at the same time can take anywher from 2hr30min to 3hrs to complete. an we play 45sec shotclock if the 8ball goes down it is loss of frame and foul is ball in hand. 3 point rule on the break. i think the 15sec/golden break was brought in to shave some time of the games.
Both talented
ดูดีน๊ะ🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Putting the timber back on!
I love watching these 2 amazing players. But just like most matches with fairly equally skilled players, the luck of the break ruins any ability to see who was clearly the better player. I've said it time and again, if they made it so that the person who breaks always gets another shot after the break regardless of whether they make a ball or not, you would see 90% of the luck of the break removed, and pool would become a much better and more interesting game. You wouldn't see 30 different guys winning tournaments then, the top of the rankings would solidify themselves with more consistent results for the best players. We need to cure this addiction to break ego. I will continue to advocate for this rule change for the rest of my life.
I would also like to see a top tournament with these rules in place.
Dunster consistent and tops the rankings
What a great idea
Indeed. Nothing can help American 9-ball though, that game is appallingly designed.
@@DM-kv9kj Although 9-ball has a much less random break than 8-ball. They can slow break the 1 ball into the side most of the time. Or even consistently pot into the corner. With the magic racks, it's so consistent that it's considered a mistake not to pot the exact ball you're intending to. The same cannot be said for 8-ball at all. Strangely Matchroom were trying to change it lately to make it _more_ random, which I thought was very strange. Unless they're just doing it because the layouts were starting to look similar from the controlled breaks. I.e. not only consistent break, but consistently easy layouts as well.
This is a bloody treat. Fark.
God, I love how they drink cups of tea while they play pool. Heaven!
Has there ever been pro pool players playing snooker? Snooker is far more difficult than pool
@@robbielittle52 Selby is a Pro Snooker player who played played pool
He wasn't much of a pool player if he turned pro in snooker at 16.
Most snooker players played pool first just because pool tables are more widely available.
Was he a pro pool player?
I want the best of the best Pool players to play in a Snooker competition.
The best of the best snooker player played in pool competitions, Ronnie, Judd, etc. Mike Massey is the only pool player i know and he did some trick shots with Steve Davis on a snooker table but didn't play a frame to my knowledge
@@MetalMonkeySelby won the 8 ball pool world championships in 2006
selby is and he won a champio ship to my recollection. there is a few pro snooker players turned pro pool players. more money in pool than snooker
Mark selby and Chris melling to name 2 off top of my head. I agree that snooker is a tougher game to play.
Pool is by no means easy playing at the top.
what is the dimension of this table
48:00 there is noooo way he is that unlucky :D lmfaooo
What size are these tables?
7ft by 4ft, but the actual playing size of the table is 6ft by 3ft I believe.
2:00 it totally is 🤣
31:08 class
Mick Hill is the Best 8 ball pool player I’ve seen live👍🏻
15 seconds rule spoils it give them time to play there both talented and good to whatch
29:10
So what?
Ok you watch 2hrs looking for a good shot then, g1mp
Why isn’t Mick Hill playing anymore?
Snooker players are very capable of a break dish but they will only win if they can do it more than their opponent. Snooker is different because both players are pretty much guaranteed a shot.
Not really. Pretty common to be sat in your chair for a whole frame while your opponent makes a century
@@obs4281not off the break it's not
Mick is quite good, bet he can play some decent snooker (and i don't mean pro) if he is dedicated
He can.
i bet hes knocked in a 147
It looks like Allen has put on weight again😂
If you pot on the break... Basically u win
I'm a very poor snooker player but I would bet I could give any pool player a solid game. As the commentators said it's classed as a mickey mouse game. The reason why it's the easier game is they ball hits cushion but still goes in the pocket so accuracy is not the be all and end all. But in snooker if you hit the cushion first very rarely does the ball pot, plus playing on a 12ft. by 6 ft table accuracy is key and safety play is a large part of the game. Not so much in pool. Snooker players win pool tournaments pool players don't win snooker tournaments👑👑👑👑
Exactly.
Would Mark Selby not contradict your statement
Put your money where your mouth is, you couldn’t even shine a professional pool player’s shoes
@@kevindonaldson1367Mark was always a snooker player who played pool in between coz there was too much gap between two snooker tournaments.
@@stonedcrusader84 him and Gareth Potts played pool together most of their lives. Gareth seen a life chasing pool titles and selby decided to chase snooker titles. Still played pool for a similar length of time as snooker
has mark put all that weight on again?
Micks bottle is unbelievable he just focused on the balls not the hype about pool v snooker nonsense. If Andy Murray entered a table tennis tournament I wouldn't expect him to win it its not his game. Snooker players are great cue men but pool is a positional game and I personally think that's why Mick won
Micky mouse table where snooker players could goofy and get donald ducked 😉
I really wish Allen would sort out that "Ambassadors of the Green Baize" sponsorship tag. The apostrophe isn't needed and looks shit.
OCD playing up? 😂
@@yippeeki-yay1691understanding grammar isn't "OCD".
@@Volvoman90 - It was a joke, is this your first day on the internet?
Just watched this amazing match, 2 class players, 1 critique - them pair of commentators are bloody useless, unknowledgeable & so so boring.
Hill hill hill 1st set
STEPHEN LEE
It's always snooker players playing pool. Just for once can we see pool players playing snooker?
Funny how pool players never play on the snooker tour
Mark Selby
Pool = crazy golf.
Snooker = golf
Mark il doit l'avoir mauvaise 😆
59:37 Very unfair...
What’s unfair about it you numpty? Mick plays a loss of turn shot and then so does mark 🤷♂️
worst colour of the cloth its so depressing to look at
I stopped watching when Mick potted Mark's Yellow, left him snookered behind a red, then went on to win the game, what a load of BS.
Nick phinn 👌
Pool v pool
*dinner table
Why do we never see pool players playing snooker? after all, it's only potting balls.
Mark Selby comes to mind, they may be others.
@@MegaZombywoof Mark Selby is a world class snooker player. He only plays pool for fun and to earn a few extra pounds. A pro snooker player could beat a pro pool player at pool, but a pro pool player could never ever not never beat a pro snooker player at snooker.
@@Shytot-1 No, he was a pool player first and became pool world champion before entering the snooker tour.
@@MegaZombywoof Most kids in the UK played pool, then as they get older they step up to play a serious game.
@@MegaZombywoof Mark Selby grew up playing snooker and pool because his father loved to play snooker. He became a professional snooker player in 1999 when he was 16 years old, two months after his father died from cancer. Daryl Peach was the first Brit to win the WPA World Nine-ball Men's Championship in 2007.
Mark and the ref look like twins
no more beer for you!
@@Bart_Depestele lol they do look like each other so dont lol
So the 0 time snooker world champion is basically equal to the 6 time pool world champion. Says alot really.
Equal?? He got schooled, although I throughly enjoyed watching how Mark played Micks a different level
@@chriscoatsworth6682 I said basically equal. Watch pool boy try snooker. It will be a 100% win rate for Allen, no matter how many frames they play.
💯 agree, don’t think anyone is doubting that 🙈
Don't forget also that as well as everything else Mark Allen had to make a once off adjustment to the different size balls, including the cue ball being smaller than the object balls which makes a huge difference in sighting and the way the cue ball behaves. I'd love to see Mick Hill try a professional snooker tournament. I couldn't see him winning even a single frame, but it would be good for a laugh. Actually, leave the pool table and pool rules and just swap the cue ball for one the same size as the other balls and Mick Hill wouldn't even be competitive.
Although i can confirm Mick has had a maximum 147 break in snooker so i would imagine he would be pretty competitive
“In terms of…. In terms of”. One of those commentators 🤬
One noticeable difference between pool and snooker is that pool players have far more control of the cue ball. Snooker players can often pot their way out of trouble but they come unstuck having to accurately navigate the cue ball around a much smaller table.
Yeah, but snooker players have much more cue ball control on a snooker table because tables are very different. I saw FSR and Joshua Filler playing snooker and they have no clue where the cue ball goes. I mean Chris Melling lost in 2014 against a 16 years old Zhao Xintong 5-1 at the Shanghai Masters in first round xD
But they will never be as fun as these two snooker players beating the pool boy ;-) ... ua-cam.com/video/qoJbOOwEUVA/v-deo.html
The difference between pool and snooker is in the type of positional shots most frequently played and the size of table/balls. Plain and simple. Similar games, but very different too. And both require a lot of practice to become really good at, which is why nobody dominates all the disciplines. Let any of these two players have a go at playing a 3-cushion match and they would come out looking like complete amateurs, as would a 3-cushion player if he went up against the best pool/snooker players
have you seen snooker players play pool though? they are equally accurate
I wonder why folks enjoy playing on such a tiny table. Other than snookers there is very little challenge to it. Would enjoy watching them play the pool games on a 6x12 table.
Smaller table doesn’t mean it’s an easy game. Where you could have 3 foot to land ur cue ball on a snooker table u have a foot and a half. Where u would have a foot of room on a snooker table u have 6 inches. Cue ball control is a must have
It’s a 7x4 table
Toujours ces mêmes remarques stupides sur la facilité du pool par rapport au snooker. La réalité, c'est que les deux joueurs jouent sur la même table et que, par conséquent, sur un long run, le meilleur gagne. En 9ball, n'importe quel joueur de snooker se ferait massacrer par Sanchez ou Fedor et plein d'autres joueurs de top niveau.
Pool was designed for people that can't play snooker very well.
Boom!
And mobile phones were designed for people like you who can't do either haha BOOM 😉
Jokes mate 😊
Outclassed. Reminds me of judd trump vs jayson shaw in 9ball
Like Ronnie vs Earl Strickland too?
Not really. Strickland lost and transitioning from snooker to American pool is a lot easier than English pool as the cue ball is a different size in English, whereas snooker and American pool they’re the same size
This is true for the middle pockets but generally speaking it’s a lot easier to transition from snooker to American or visa versa because the cutting angles are the same and the throw is similar. English 8 ball the cue ball is 1/8 of an inch smaller than all the object balls, so transitioning takes more time. Plus the balls are a lot lighter and smaller on English