Interesting fact. When they asked the people of Plymouth if they wanted a Nuclear sub decommissioning facility in Plymouth, they had already been building it for 18 months already.
mickenoss Lucky your are nuclear radiation waste manage while the Russian doesn't know how scrap old Submarines especially the Nuclear one they ask for a assistance from the US and Ukv
@@robertoaseremo2816 and when it goes wrong the implications are massive and worldwide.. Chernobyl is costing billions to sort and the majority of that cost is not the Russians or the Ukrainians
Exactly we had no say in the matter it was already a third the way to being built this consultation is just more Bullshit lies and deceit from the Government like the lies of the Nuclear waste that is stored in the Dockyard
basic question --- why when the submarins were designed, was not thought given to how to decontaminate and decommission / scap them , especailly when only a 20 year life at sea.
Hardly a joke bill, anything nuclear is a serious issue and all options must be considered and besides a member of the public may have a solution no-one else has thought of.. It's exactly the same problem with nuclear power generation its all about the massive costs involved with anything nuclear
What a moronic thing to say. The environmental requirements are ever evolving and who could possibly anticipate what they would be 35-40 years in the future?
@@SaltiDawg2008 to be fair when these subs where commissioned im pretty sure the problems with nuclear waste where thoroughly understood..... Whether anybody give a shit..is anyones guess 🤣🤣
2019.. .. and still nothing been done. Surely if the US Navy stores their disposed RCs at Hanford Washington, a commercial deal could be arranged to dispose RN RCs there as well.
Since this was first broadcast in 2011 we can be certain that Admiral Lister has since retired and is enjoying a guilt-edged pension plus maybe a job consultanting for DE&S or similar. The revolving door of UK MOD and contractors keeps turning. Meanwhile, there are now TWENTY subs (not Lister’s 18) awaiting scrapping with 11 at Devonport and 7 at Rosyth. I don’t know where the other two are. The cost to UK taxpayer according to NAO as reported by The Guardian newspaper 2Apr19 is so far £500M. Nice job if you can get it. Not exactly the Nelsonian tradition is it?
Are you Russian ?if you are i will translate,IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY PULLED THEIR FINGERS OUT OF THEIR FAT BUTTS MAKE A DECISION AND START TO DISMANTLE THEM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN PAID TO DO FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS.
The Russians have dismantled at least one typhoon nuclear sub and several attack subs and have removed the nuclear reactors. If you have questions how to do it you can ask them or and here’s a thought ask your ally the USA how and what to do. We’ve done this for years.
We know what to do, Britain split the first atom. It’s just the cost they don’t want to contend with a they keep delaying it, there should be a specialist team to dismantle submarines one bye one after nuclear materials cone, it’s not that hard.
Long gone are the days you could make money scrapping ships. They estimate it's going to COST 1.1 billion dollars to scrap the aircraft carrier Enterprise. Nuclear ships - the ship's that keeps on costing
Yes they did, the submarine base at Devonport was built with a crane and the facility to remove the reactor cores, attitudes changed and so did the local council, the crane was removed, and so was the facility to remove the cores. BTW I am a submariner from the 70's my old boat (Sovereign) is in Devonport awaiting disposal
There always a problem disposing nuclear vessels, it has been reported in the USA, dismantling the USS Enterprise will cost the US government over $2 Billion dollars.
I find it very strange that they have had these boats for 30 years and have no plan in place for the safe disposal of the reactors. Someone needs an ass reaming.
Far too expensive, nuclear materials are some of the densest and heaviest elements on Earth, a single rocket would be able to carry a tiny wee lump of radioactive waste.
2020............. wonder how many have been scrapped? One, two? When this load of bollocks was made there were 17 boats waiting for disposal this year there are 27. And the answer to the question is....one. and it's still being worked on
Why ask for public submissions? What on earth do we know about storing nuclear waste? That's why we have governments, isnt it? To deal with the hard stuff??
We were in refit in Rosyth and I went round to see Dreadnought, Conquerer and the Ballistic Missile Boats. It was pretty cool to see them. They took us on Conquerer's sister going through training...Courageous maybe?
The only reason why they’re waiting for disposal is because they’re waiting for the taxpayer to pay for the disposal it’s not gonna come out of their budget oh no why have a dog and bark yourself
They did and the equipment for doing it but the local council changed its stance over the years due to pressure from locals. Thus it all got dismantled and not replaced elsewhere.
@@RUDEBOYY2K80 Build a dirty bomb that explodes in the UK and the wind will destroy everyone and everything where the radiation blows. Try reading the book "On the beach" by Neval Chute and wise up.
I love subs, but, if we don't have a safe solution to the reactor dismantling/storing then maybe we ought not to make so many of them! Can we give Peace a chance? (NO! Is the reply from the military-industrial complex...we make our money that way!)
That and the other countries with very dodgy governments that also possess these weapons I for one wouldn't like to be at the mercy of some lunatic with nuclear weapons
No it won't, that's not how it works. The reactor components are either placed in extremely thick steel caskets, or incased in concrete. The steel caskets or concrete encasements are then stored in deep underground nuclear storage vaults. So no, literally zero risk of them infecting the food supply, soil, or whatever.
According the documentary RN has had these vessels for 30 years, add perhaps a 10 years in planning and yet they have had no plans on what to do once they are stricken from duty due old age. The three plans of disposal does include a lot of risks to those peole who have to do the job and the final storage of the radioactive material which are to stay there for 1000 years before its radioactive rate is safe again. That time span is the same as from viking age today!! All these things should have been included while planning and buildings these subs, apparently this has not been done. Who will guarantee that the disposed materials are to be safe in 1000 years? They and the other Nuke powered ships should never been built, as while building they cost a lot and now the costs of disposal will cost a lot as the final storage site has to be monitored in thousand years!
@@RUDEBOYY2K80 l think we have bigger enemies in our own nations at least we know him. Ours wear expense clothes and are called billionaire social media tech giant's who control our globalist 5th columnist political class.
Well in the meantime they might as well be producing electricity for the port town there. It's the least they could do for the residents after burdening them with this evil. What if there is some type of mega storm from some strange uncontrollable event? What if mankind was mostly wiped out from such an event? All the nuclear facilities around the world would become unmanageable and eventually melt down or explode into the atmosphere. It sickens me to think of all of the nuclear disasters that we do not know about. I wonder how many of these N subs are already lying lost somewhere on the oceans floors as ticking time bombs. It also sickens me how nuclear waste is just dumped off of the shores of Somalia. One of the only "free" countries out there which has been abused and taken advantage of by the worlds elite. Now made out to be a country of pure evil. Well it doesn't surprise me that pirates exist after what their people have to go through with lawless dumping and lawless fishing in their waters. On-top of this Somalia is one of the western worlds next big targets for oil drilling however it is considered the most unsafe country for such endeavours. I strongly suspect that the Islamist terrorist organisations operating there have been planted by the people who's interest is in oil. This will open up an opportunity similar to that currently happening in Syria and in the future we will most likely see the same thing happen in Iran. One oil rich country at a time will take it's turn to be bullied by the west until they get what they want. This is one of the real reasons these subs are needed in the first place so that we may have a strong defence to fight the wars on energy all for more $$$$$$
@hffp1 I doubt that Russia, which has a GDP about 1/12 of the U.S. and a defense budget of about 1/6, has the resources to develop a submarine as advanced as the U.S . And silence is the number 1 requirement.
God likes war mongers, what did he say about King David? ''A man after My own heart.'' Or telling the Israelites to go into the promised land and kill everything with a heartbeat.
@@briananthony4044 GOD will slaughter you unless you learn the truth of why he killed so many people! He killed all the people on Earth in The Flood except for Noah and family.
@@rosewhite---alright in that last comment it kinda seemed like you were joking but anyway how do you know that Jesus will return and that he even existed in the first place?
The Dreadnought, as the first RN nuclear submarine, should be developed as a museum ship.
@john jack Yeah, park it up next to Monty. How's that for a twofer?
Interesting fact. When they asked the people of Plymouth if they wanted a Nuclear sub decommissioning facility in Plymouth, they had already been building it for 18 months already.
mickenoss Lucky your are nuclear radiation waste manage while the Russian doesn't know how scrap old Submarines especially the Nuclear one they ask for a assistance from the US and Ukv
@@robertoaseremo2816 and when it goes wrong the implications are massive and worldwide..
Chernobyl is costing billions to sort and the majority of that cost is not the Russians or the Ukrainians
Exactly we had no say in the matter it was already a third the way to being built this consultation is just more Bullshit lies and deceit from the Government like the lies of the Nuclear waste that is stored in the Dockyard
I would definitely recommend to anyone to visit... amazing time and memories...
basic question --- why when the submarins were designed, was not thought given to how to decontaminate and decommission / scap them , especailly when only a 20 year life at sea.
What is entailed in the application being made for 'Hull Wrapping Programme'?
The female speaker sounds like a character in Peep Show. The neighbor and Jez' brief affair in the first few episodes.
Toni
basically 3 ways to dispose of the reactor? Take it out of the submarine cut it into pieces, store in a box underground somewhere!
yes for a thousand years
Finland has great underground facilities, check with Helsinki
And how is this little project coming along? /-)
I don't think they've completed one decommissioning yet.
Build a big rail gun and fire the bad parts into space,aim at the sun
Ok plan b then plan a was dump in Australian outback ?
So devonport they say but the commander speaking is in Rosyth Dockyard
What a joke. Seeking the public's input on how to dismantle a submarine? This should have been planned even before the craft were ever built.
Hardly a joke bill, anything nuclear is a serious issue and all options must be considered and besides a member of the public may have a solution no-one else has thought of..
It's exactly the same problem with nuclear power generation its all about the massive costs involved with anything nuclear
What a moronic thing to say. The environmental requirements are ever evolving and who could possibly anticipate what they would be 35-40 years in the future?
Bill your wright that there was no planning in decommissioning of nuclear submarine.
It only now the environmental impact is now the big thing.
@@SaltiDawg2008 to be fair when these subs where commissioned im pretty sure the problems with nuclear waste where thoroughly understood.....
Whether anybody give a shit..is anyones guess 🤣🤣
It's clever, get "the people" to make the decision then you can't be blamed for it later on...
2019.. .. and still nothing been done. Surely if the US Navy stores their disposed RCs at Hanford Washington, a commercial deal could be arranged to dispose RN RCs there as well.
they said no.
Since this was first broadcast in 2011 we can be certain that Admiral Lister has since retired and is enjoying a guilt-edged pension plus maybe a job consultanting for DE&S or similar. The revolving door of UK MOD and contractors keeps turning.
Meanwhile, there are now TWENTY subs (not Lister’s 18) awaiting scrapping with 11 at Devonport and 7 at Rosyth. I don’t know where the other two are. The cost to UK taxpayer according to NAO as reported by The Guardian newspaper 2Apr19 is so far £500M. Nice job if you can get it. Not exactly the Nelsonian tradition is it?
What on earth is your point?
Could old subs be plugged in to the National grid to make power for the country & hard to reach places & islands??👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Here we are in 2020 and not one of them has been touched the people working on this project have got jobs for life.
Meaning?
Are you Russian ?if you are i will translate,IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY PULLED THEIR FINGERS OUT OF THEIR FAT BUTTS MAKE A DECISION AND START TO DISMANTLE THEM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN PAID TO DO FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS.
@@marcbiff2192 so why they not work for 10 years?
@@goodputin4324 God knows,you would be better off asking the FSA they would know more about why than me.
@@marcbiff2192 so you don't know anyone?
The Russians have dismantled at least one typhoon nuclear sub and several attack subs and have removed the nuclear reactors. If you have questions how to do it you can ask them or and here’s a thought ask your ally the USA how and what to do. We’ve done this for years.
We know what to do, Britain split the first atom. It’s just the cost they don’t want to contend with a they keep delaying it, there should be a specialist team to dismantle submarines one bye one after nuclear materials cone, it’s not that hard.
Long gone are the days you could make money scrapping ships. They estimate it's going to COST 1.1 billion dollars to scrap the aircraft carrier Enterprise. Nuclear ships - the ship's that keeps on costing
What about the EIGHT hulks of old SSNs and SSBNs left to rot at Rosyth in Scotland for over 30 years ?
Didn't they think about this when first building them.. I hope modern subs have easy access to remove the nuclear parts? Scary..
Yes they did, the submarine base at Devonport was built with a crane and the facility to remove the reactor cores, attitudes changed and so did the local council, the crane was removed, and so was the facility to remove the cores. BTW I am a submariner from the 70's my old boat (Sovereign) is in Devonport awaiting disposal
@@GrahamWalters that crazy. The local council should have had no say in a matter of a national security issue imo. 🤔🏴🇬🇧
I think UA-cam misread, this video is from 2011 and now it’s 2021.
typical dithering about
10 Years on and quick as a flash nothings happened.
Was just looking for this comment
There always a problem disposing nuclear vessels, it has been reported in the USA, dismantling the USS Enterprise will cost the US government over $2 Billion dollars.
After Scottish independence the Trident subs can move from faslane in Scotland to Portsmouth.
And 5000 will loose their job so in fuselage
Faselane
Luckily that will not happen
Scottish independence? Oh yes, I remember now; that thing the Scots always wisely vote against.
We do it safely and inexpensively
I find it very strange that they have had these boats for 30 years and have no plan in place for the safe disposal of the reactors. Someone needs an ass reaming.
The u.s. cuts out the whole reactor compartment set the up desert as a unit.
Cut out the nuclear part and sink it into an ocean trench and put a picture of a skull on it. Then recycle the rest.
No way to contain face/palm interface at you having missed the sarcasm.
9% of the submarines total weight is contaminated. ok, so only 182 tons per sub.
Is that a print of Lenin at 04:03?!!
the sailors must know where to aim the missiles, Lenin or Putin, same shit
if we didn't have to worry about rockets blowing up during launch, we could shoot that nasty stuff into another galaxy
Far too expensive, nuclear materials are some of the densest and heaviest elements on Earth, a single rocket would be able to carry a tiny wee lump of radioactive waste.
Deep underground seems to be the best option for us at the moment
Id considered dropping in an active volcano to sink to the bottom of a magma chamber
I think that it could simply be stored at Perterlee in County Durham. You wouldn't even need to bury it.
2020............. wonder how many have been scrapped? One, two? When this load of bollocks was made there were 17 boats waiting for disposal this year there are 27. And the answer to the question is....one. and it's still being worked on
There is NO SUCH THING as "final disposal" of nuclear material.
Sure there is it's where ever you finally leave it
They should not have built these in the first place if they had no solution how to get rid of the waste
My company Naval Dismantling and Disposal Co NDADCO.com specializes in taking apart nuclear naval vessels
Just send the subs to the U.S. Keep the core and we will handle the rest.
Why ask for public submissions? What on earth do we know about storing nuclear waste? That's why we have governments, isnt it? To deal with the hard stuff??
Did i see ex HMS Conqueror tied up there?
Biggedy Biggedy Bong probably so, it was there in 2005 when I went through Raleigh
Indeed all the old swiftsure boats where there and the resolutions
We were in refit in Rosyth and I went round to see Dreadnought, Conquerer and the Ballistic Missile Boats. It was pretty cool to see them. They took us on Conquerer's sister going through training...Courageous maybe?
The only reason why they’re waiting for disposal is because they’re waiting for the taxpayer to pay for the disposal it’s not gonna come out of their budget oh no why have a dog and bark yourself
Well three are another 8-10 at Rosyth to do. Some only been there 36 years.
Perhaps the should have had these ‘solutions in place’ before the built the things 😳
Well they did, sort of. Then realised that they couldn't really get away with it and so it's just been kicked down the road, a lot.
They did and the equipment for doing it but the local council changed its stance over the years due to pressure from locals. Thus it all got dismantled and not replaced elsewhere.
In other words they have not got a clue what to do with them. Still on the drawing board. Don't make them would be the best solution.
And what deterrent would we have from foreign powers who want to do harm to the UK ? 🏴🇬🇧🤔
@@RUDEBOYY2K80 Build a dirty bomb that explodes in the UK and the wind will destroy everyone and everything where the radiation blows. Try reading the book "On the beach" by Neval Chute and wise up.
Cut thevreacors out! And bury them in a safe place! Then recycle the rest, simple.
I love subs, but, if we don't have a safe solution to the reactor dismantling/storing then maybe we ought not to make so many of them! Can we give Peace a chance? (NO! Is the reply from the military-industrial complex...we make our money that way!)
That and the other countries with very dodgy governments that also possess these weapons
I for one wouldn't like to be at the mercy of some lunatic with nuclear weapons
love how they show it being stored underground which will infect the food supply n soil to everything everywhere!!
Impossible.
No it won't, that's not how it works. The reactor components are either placed in extremely thick steel caskets, or incased in concrete. The steel caskets or concrete encasements are then stored in deep underground nuclear storage vaults. So no, literally zero risk of them infecting the food supply, soil, or whatever.
Sell the subs to Taiwan
According the documentary RN has had these vessels for 30 years, add perhaps a 10 years in planning and yet they have had no plans on what to do once they are stricken from duty due old age. The three plans of disposal does include a lot of risks to those peole who have to do the job and the final storage of the radioactive material which are to stay there for 1000 years before its radioactive rate is safe again. That time span is the same as from viking age today!! All these things should have been included while planning and buildings these subs, apparently this has not been done. Who will guarantee that the disposed materials are to be safe in 1000 years? They and the other Nuke powered ships should never been built, as while building they cost a lot and now the costs of disposal will cost a lot as the final storage site has to be monitored in thousand years!
Just an odd thought, why not just tow the whole bunch over to the Thames, and park them next to Westminster.
Can l buy one
What would you do with it? Lol
Tourism perhaps under water.
@@TheFrog767 I think I might try sending one to Kim Jong-un as a booby-trapped parcel 📦
@@RUDEBOYY2K80 l think we have bigger enemies in our own nations at least we know him. Ours wear expense clothes and are called billionaire social media tech giant's who control our globalist 5th columnist political class.
@@TheFrog767 yes I get that mate. Big tech are the enemy along with mainstream media
Well in the meantime they might as well be producing electricity for the port town there. It's the least they could do for the residents after burdening them with this evil.
What if there is some type of mega storm from some strange uncontrollable event? What if mankind was mostly wiped out from such an event? All the nuclear facilities around the world would become unmanageable and eventually melt down or explode into the atmosphere.
It sickens me to think of all of the nuclear disasters that we do not know about. I wonder how many of these N subs are already lying lost somewhere on the oceans floors as ticking time bombs. It also sickens me how nuclear waste is just dumped off of the shores of Somalia. One of the only "free" countries out there which has been abused and taken advantage of by the worlds elite. Now made out to be a country of pure evil. Well it doesn't surprise me that pirates exist after what their people have to go through with lawless dumping and lawless fishing in their waters.
On-top of this Somalia is one of the western worlds next big targets for oil drilling however it is considered the most unsafe country for such endeavours.
I strongly suspect that the Islamist terrorist organisations operating there have been planted by the people who's interest is in oil. This will open up an opportunity similar to that currently happening in Syria and in the future we will most likely see the same thing happen in Iran.
One oil rich country at a time will take it's turn to be bullied by the west until they get what they want. This is one of the real reasons these subs are needed in the first place so that we may have a strong defence to fight the wars on energy all for more $$$$$$
send them 2 India. They will go gone in a week. No ??"s asked.
refit them and add them to our fleet
I wouldn't bet on it. They've been in Plymouth for years and haven't been nicked yet..
Why don't you sell it to North Korea They still running diesel ships
That way we could always track their subs.
@hffp1 Not as silent as US subs, which can kill them at will.
@hffp1 I doubt that Russia, which has a GDP about 1/12 of the U.S. and a defense budget of about 1/6, has the resources to develop a submarine as advanced as the U.S . And silence is the number 1 requirement.
@hffp1 We'll never see the results- there are few things so top secret as how quiet a new sub is. Nice chatting- if you hear anything let me know!
7:00 'after 2040'. Jesus will have returned before then and destroyed all warmongers!
God likes war mongers, what did he say about King David? ''A man after My own heart.'' Or telling the Israelites to go into the promised land and kill everything with a heartbeat.
@@briananthony4044 GOD will slaughter you unless you learn the truth of why he killed so many people!
He killed all the people on Earth in The Flood except for Noah and family.
@@rosewhite--- are you joking?
@@nordic5628 No.. quite serious.
@@rosewhite---alright in that last comment it kinda seemed like you were joking but anyway how do you know that Jesus will return and that he even existed in the first place?
Joke
Waffle