Yeah you are over hating it for sure. Some people don’t have the aim for spirit shackle and the razor leaf is more consistent damage. SS is better in more situations and has bigger skill ceiling but you can pop off with RL with the right team.
I think razor leaf should automatically max out your attack speed stacks. The problem with Decidueye is that it rewards you for fighting longer, but you’re too squishy to do so. Currently, razor leaf is a “win more” build. It only works when you have the perfect team comp.
Won't change anything. The issue is with mobility and/or range. If they want to make razor leaf viable it needs to incorporate a dash, increased move speed, or have longer range. Otherwise it's never going to be better than spirit shackle.
@@sammoon7897 I agree that it wouldn’t make it competitively viable, but razor leaf doesn’t need to be better than shackle or competitively viable. I don’t want the devs to make all of the Pokémon feel too same-y. Other Pokémon like Cinderace already have dashes, this would just bring razor leaf more towards the duraludon side of things and make decidueye slightly more independent. Just enough stuns/pushes and enough damage to stay alive and do its job.
@@deadlywiz19 I agree with the above poster. It probably needs a good frontline tank with stuns/blocks, a brawler to flex in and out of the frontline and protect and a decent save/punish supporter. Maybe something like BLVKHVNDs season 1 worlds team where razor leaf decidueye could take the place of Cinderace (Sword, tree, blissey, hoopa, owl).
While watching Cris’s Deci video recently I finally found merrit in razor leaf, in that the amazing farming provides insane unite charge. So as soon as someone finds a way to get more out of the owl’s unite move than you get out of shackle, there might finally be a reason to play razor leaf, although I doubt humanity will ever reach that point. And even then, you’d have to be willing to give up one of the most fun moves in the game in exchange for ranged garchomp basic attacks. Also re: leaf storm vs shadow sneak; sneak not only gives you the movement, it tells you if there enemies you should be mindful of, even if they’re in tall grass, and it lowers their defense for your sniping pleasure
If you want a good sniper experience just play Inteleon. Sure you have a Lazer sight but during a fight the enemy can't focus on it anyway plus 100% crit chance AND invisible for defense. Garchops auto attack buffs have made it one of the best all-rounders in the game. If you can have that as a ranged character then it's even better. That's a huge reason to play RL over SS. That's why spragles cut the video before showing the damage screen for the SS game.
@@diyomaxwell330 I'm not saying RL owl is bad (or Garchomp, for that matter), in fact, that was my whole point: I just find Shackle one of the most fun moves in the entire game and even if RL would become the most broken move in the game, I could never bring myself to play RL over Shackle if I play the owl. Mostly because how much fun I think shackle is, but also personally I find RL quite boring. I can understand people not finding RL boring, but I can't understand people finding it more fun than shackle 😜 And sure, if we are gonna get into the actual strengths of both moves: you can be good with RL and have good games with it, but it's not gonna be as consistently impactful as Shackle. This is a case where the damage numbers really aren't relevant. If you have huge shredding potential, you're obviously gonna get huge damage numbers, if you manage to keep your paper bag owl alive. But you have no secure, whereas spirit Shackle gives you one of the best secure tools in the game, in a game where securing decides every important fight. Now for Inteleon I will take your word for it; I've never played it. It looks fun, but somehow it doesn't have the same appeal to me as the owl. But maybe that's just chauvinism/loyalty to the og sniper of unite 😅
@Jrssnjr for sure, a matter of preference in any video game should take priority. Fun comes first. It just seems you keep making arguments FOR rl over ss. The owl is totally a paper bag like you said. That's why I prefer the sustainability of rl. It just heals so much where with ss you get caught you die 100% of the time. Plus Rey secure is way less important if their team is dead. Not to mention even if they aren't, you exclusively have the ability to fight and secure objectives at the same time with rl. Your opponents have to do one or the other.
Imagine if you could move around while basic attack while Razor Leaf was active? I feel like that would single-handedly make this moveset *somewhat* viable.
There is no adc that should be standing still while attacking. Kiting (attacking then moving then attacking then moving) is a crucial skill for any adc in any moba. As long as you're watching your position (like adc's should be doing) then you should have no problem moving around in a fight
What adjustments I would make for Razor Leaf Decidueye: 1. Once you use Razor Leaf, it increases the range of Basic Attacks. 2. Leaf Storm acts like Cramorant's Air Slash, pushing the user back while also stunning the opponent, plus lower cooldown.
That second change can sometimes feel a bit awkward if not implemented correctly. For instance, when I first picked up Gardevoir and started using Moonblast (which works in a similar manner) I found that the recoil sometimes felt a little clunky rather than intuitive. Personal preference, of course.
Razor Leaf is essentially a noob stomper. It punishes ppl who hesitate to dive and hold forward. I like using with 5-attacker teams with big damage output lol, most solo Q players brains stop working and they just melt
Yeah, exactly like you say - you can put in work if you have the proper support, but there's very little guarantee of that in solo q. And I imagine it being so squishy will be a competitive liability as well since it's so easy to dive. Spirit Shackle FTW
@@serily4524 Have you experienced fighting a Deci with Leaf Storm and Eject Button? Not a fun experience. How would you deal with that? You're not a noob, right?
@@ze-prestoooleaf storm is the move that stuns you, that move is somewhat annoying yea but it has ways to play around it, razor leaf on the other hand is not hard to counter, i can count with more than my fingers how many times i killed a razor leaf deci because of how bad they are
@@serily4524 I got to 1600 master rank with razor leaf,shadow sneak, eject button. Yes speedsters are my cryptonite but I usually lvl up faster than enemy speedsters by destroying the entire enemy team. I beat lots of 1600 masters with 55% win ratio.
As a troll build to stomp low rank I’ve been playing razor leaf in top lane with attack speed emblems, resonant guard, drain crown, and muscle band. When hitting multiple targets you actually get value on drain crown and are pretty hard to kill. It also greatly improves early laning
The issue with razor leaf isn't razor leaf unironically. Deci needs mobility. It's squishy AND slow. It often can't afford to stop retreating to auto. Poor thing can't kite.
What's better: eating roadkill baked under the summer sun after lying on the side of the road for days, or eating a tender steak prepared by the head chef at a 5-star resort?
Leaf storm feels good, but yeah razor leaf is just really lacking. Maybe if it increased your range... in all honesty though it doesn't really matter do you know how often teams need an attacker?
Leaf Storm should change Deci's playstyle like Pedal Dance does for Venu. It should provide Deci an aura with amazing lifesteal on multiple enimies so that Razor Leaf can go brrr. Useless with Spirit Shackle as to not be broken (ranged directional fire doesn't need lifesteal), but complimentary to Razor Leaf's closer mutli-hit design. Leaf Storm currently is a directional 2-3 second 1/2 speed slow on a long 8sec cooldown, not enough to keep multiple enemies away.
I have been a Decidueye Razor Leaf/Leaf Storm build main nearly my entire time in pokemon unite, ever since he came out. I am honestly shocked by you reaction, I've always felt like its one of the stronger builds in the game, what really really helps is the healing item (i forget what its called, X Heal or something?) It's always helped me out of tricky situations. Its only got a 30 Second cooldown, unless its been nerfed, its been a while since i played.
Dude is too squishy and slow to be viable. Coming from someone who doesn't main that stuffed owl, but plays it in ranked. What works with me, if I chose this build, is guarding and being defensive ironically.
@@silferbuu86if u wanna guard and be defensive you should run shackle, that build gives u far better vision than razor leaf will ever do, you are able to guard rayquaza and zone out enemies with it, which is pretty much defending, if u ever play ranked dont ever run razor leaf, only run shackle
It seems like you are not much of a serious player for ranked peter, if u get advice or coaching from any pro player out there, they will blatantly tell u razor lear is bad and shackle is always the better build 100%, if u have fun running this build only run it in standards and quicks, running this in ranked is completely grief, so please do us a favor and only run shackle on ranked, eject button too
I'm a jungle scizor main, but I think the problem you have is most people stick to their jungle. I use the jungle to evolve by 9 mins 15 or so, and from then on I'm a floating lane. I leave our jungle so the lane blastoise or whatever can evolve after they respawn and I focus on fighting, taking Regis, and stealing enemy buffs on my way up and down.
They should change leaf storm to push enemies from all directions, this way you don't have to worry if it is properly targeted, when you are A pressing on decidueye it makes sense. This will improve leaf storm build a little bit.
I think Razor Leaf should get the Fire Blast treatment, and then it could be even less troll. We all know stopping to attack as the squishiest Pokémon puts you in really bad situations
They should just go wild with it, make the push a giga long push or a have it push decidueye back a little in the opposite direction it was launched in if it hits something
I think leaf storm would be better if it also pushed you back. Razor leaf, and Deci's basic attacks, would benefit of the Charizard's basics treatment. Let it move around and not stop in place when you are attacking.
Been a razor leaf main since day one and still going strong 😔 for me personally it’s just more rewarding to clear the entire enemy team in big fights with its insane shred, but it really does come down to have immaculate spacing. Strafing around a fight to avoid danger or having at least one teammate to cover for you makes it better than spirit shackle, but I understand both of those are a rare occurrence for most players especially in solo queue
Please for the love of god if u like razor leaf so much run it in standards and quicks, i feel bad for ur teammates that have to put up with u running a grief build in ranked, yes the build can be fun but thats only in non ranked matches, its not fun whatsoever if u run it in ranked, so please if u wanna run deci in ranked always go shackle, ranked is for winning, not griefing, so pick the actual good move that will help ur team win
@@serily4524 I have a 65% winrate on Decidueye using almost exclusively razor leaf, and I always have the most kills/highest damage on the team. I’ve even made it to master with him multiple times, and that was long before any buffs so razor leaf was even worse at the time. Unite as a game is simply not that deep, it isn’t like league or other mobas. As long as you have half a brain you can perform well with just about anything. If I’m able to carry games with a “grief” build then that’s proof enough. I don’t say this often but in your case this is definitely a skill issue, just play the game more lil bro I promise you’ll get better in no time 👍
@@juliuskingsley4400theres something called getting carried by pro players pocketing ur trash build, you are one of those people, not every trash player is a player that has below 50%wr, some trash players end up getting omega carried either in duos or trios or getting carried a lot in soloq to the point where their wr is positive because of how much they get carried, shut ur trash noob mouth lmao, ur not good, ur just carried
You can say that Shackle is better, but Razor leaf is definitely not grieving now. Of course Shackle has better secure and it's easier to fit into team comps, but razor leaf can work great with frontline too
While the leaf storm buffs are good, I still prefer shadow sneak with spirit shackle :) What I’m REALLY hoping for is actually shadow sneak buffs. That thing is 12 seconds long with a small speed buff. I would buff it by lowering its cooldown to 8 seconds and buffing the speed increase. How does that sound?
I played 4 average matches this season (44% wr rn) and I won all 4 razor leaf matches cuz the enemies insta surrendered at 5 min It also ended my 11 and 8 loss streaks lol
@daniloribeiro5372 yeah I'm just making a point that he has been shitting on RL since the game launched. Just because you don't play from a safe distance like you do with SS doesn't make it bad. It just means your position is far more important in a fight, and I have only been out-damaged by a SS Decidueye a handful of times in the masters bracket. It's very disingenuous, and all it does is make people flame us for playing the better build.
The problem is that: yes, razor works in *some* games, but shackle works in *all* games. Most sets are based on opportunity costs. But Decidueye's problem is always about avoiding a oneshot.
@@Sageman101 on average spirit shackle has less successful games than rl. Your overall impact for your team goes down the drain if you're missing even a single shot in each fight. I'll give my friend code out to anyone who thinks they can out damage my RL with SS. I promise you there are very few people (likely none in this thread) who can produce more damage with SS than I can with RL after 5 games. Bonus points I'm willing to wager that I even have less deaths because RL is the only option that gives you any survivability. Open invite to anyone reading this.
@diyomaxwell330 what are you trying to prove here, exactly? By declaring you can't aim a skill shot so you default to the easier build? Shackle is like firing an ultimate that also pierces through multiple targets. You have to try and not hit a target in a team fight. You also can't compare the sheer damage of builds unless both comps are exactly the same on both sides.
If you won 16 games in a row you are either trioq or duoq or you get lucky to get good teammates in your team or bad enemies, or both, or your region u live in is filled with bad players that dont know how to counter decidueye razor leaf, this build is just a noob stomper, nothing more else, if ur winning with it on ranked ur lucky, run spirit shackle on ranked always NOW
Razor leaf decidueye is very mid compared to shackle just because 1. Lacking of range 2. Speedster best friend and kill 3. Requires a lot more support then just a normal spirit shackle who barely needs support 4. You have no secure where securing objectives is very important 5.mages love a razor leaf decidueye and merk him
I beg to differ that razor leaf is bad. While yes it does put you in a more vulnerable position to use it well, I constantly see people not positioning themselves the right way. Razor Leaf heals the user with each opponent hit, so the best position for Razor Leaf is next to groups of wild Pokemon like the Altaria, making Decidueye deceptively difficult to take out.
Should’ve clarified that the Altaria isn’t the only option. The healing can save you even when there’s only one wild Pokemon to drain health from and there are numerous times that regaining health with the sure-hit rapid fire can be better than the long range. Decidueye is also a Pokemon that heavily relies on positioning anyways, and wild Pokemon aren’t that difficult to position around anyways since there’s many across the map.
The mon still dies in 1.5 hits even with the recovery, so fighting next to multiple enemies or farm doesn't really help your case. All it takes is one good dive player and you die, and you make it far easier for them by playing RL
@@ze-prestoooall it takes is one decent diver player to learn to play around it and dodge leaf storm and deci is dead, leaf storm is only gonna build up a little bit of time for ur eventual death, against a bad player yea ur gonna be able to kill them, against a good player ur simply dead meat, stop thinking u can fight divers and kill them lol, because u cant, divers can burst u down faster than u can dmg them because u have very little hp while they have many escape tools and hp
Freezing cold take: how you fix razor leaf is you rework the build completely. Deci is supposed to be this ultra long range sniper. Why would he ever want to be in melee range. I’d make razor leaf a move in the same vein of Chandelure’s overheat. Land there autos and get a huge shot
@@ze-prestooowhat will hitting multiple enemies do if it does trash damage?, if anything the moment multiple enemies are on u you are pretty much gonna die, hitting a lot of enemies sounds good on paper until u realize u have to be on melee range for that, hitting multiple enemies is useless because the enemies can easily focus u and kill u before u deal dmg
@@serily4524 Trash damage? First time I heard that. You know what? Not gonna argue anymore. Just watch some Razor Leaf gameplay on UA-cam or something. Razor Leaf Decidueye isn't invincible but it definitely isn't as bad as you make it seem.
Razor leaf is so bad bc decidueye is so squishy and it doesn't benefit his ability Long Reach, you need to be close range to use razaor leaf not only that against speedster and tanky pokemon its useless bc they can just tank your attack or they can just one shot you plus decidueye is a long range pokemon not a close range pokemon. Spirit shackles is better for decidueye bc it benefits the most of his ability long reach compared to razor leaf and white the current meta there a lot of cc if u get stun one it over for you. The best way to buff it is increased it reach and a little damage buff that will make it good or decent.
wait, scizor is not a jungle???????? every forking time i play with or against a siczor they go in the jungle AND THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO THERE??!! (also i don't have scizor so i never tasted him) now i'm a little pissed, all those memroies from whem i let a scizor go jungle whem i was playing zoroark are comming back... oh my god
"Buffed razor leaf is bad, spirit shackle is the way to go" *proceeds to get 15 KOs and 127k+ damage in a game against a leafeon* Yeah sure, such a bad set you're right
I once had this nerd Deci with a gold badge I was Veteran 3? and he got demolished with my double trick meow because the clone always get targetted with auto AI aiming. Plus we steam rolled their ass after ray lol
My bud takes Decidueye into Jungle pretty regularly. He always picks Razor Leaf because it offers a great alternative into a ganking style ADC. From what I could tell, is that you gotta pick your moments and choose your fights as Razor Leaf, especially picking your moments. Wait until the enemy uses their cooldowns and then punish them.
Experienced players will never pick RL over Shackle because they know it's a bad ability. Deci is a sniper character with lowish mobility that tries to stay away from fights to do burst pokes at range. Why would you ever pick an ability that forces you to be up close to get any mileage. RL literally loses to people holding forward on it. Any comp that RL works with works better with Shackle. "Oh but it rips fast" well guess what, Dura and Dragapult do that better and Dura is an awful mon right now and Dragapult is good for reasons outside of ripping. The only way RL is ever getting acknowledged as anything but bad is if 1. It gives you multiple dashes while it's active 2. It gives you a big speed increase so you can weave in and out Until then it stays bad and is a bigger noob trap than Goodra, sorry to say
@@BlackBeartic229 deci can hit multiple mon with razor leaf So the damage potential is more than other ads Of course spirit shackle is a better ability but razor leaf is also fun So experienced players use an ability when they find it fun Couldn't have explained it better than @hoogotot...
I don't think razor leaf is really that *bad*, it's more-so inconsistent, with a move that relies heavily on team composition and coordination, it'll never be amazing in a solo queue environment where your teammates can be of any skill level, outside of occasional pop off moments
There’s too many things that just need to go in order for razor leaf to “shine.” Team literally has to play around you so badly, like you need a pocket support. Leaf storm tho is amazing I wouldn’t mind to play it with ss especially to push speedsters away
Jake: *proceeds to get over 15 kills and 125,000 damage and only died once* don't play this, it's not good, it's griefing Jake in other videos: Develop your skills and positioning and know how to use your moves correctly. I'm sorry, but that is what just happened. I prefer Razor Leaf over Spirit Shackle myself because of the insane rip. It makes securing objectives in short time spans so efficient. Plus the damage rip on enemies is crazy. If you know how to position yourself and time your cooldowns, this move is good.
So if you like it cuz it can rip fast, why not play Dragapult or Duraludon or even Glaceon. They bring more to the table (and yes, i'm saying Dura itself is far better than RL despite being bad) without compromising what their characters do (Deci is a sniper so why are we going with a close range ability with no mobility). Even in best case scenarios like you described shackle is still better if you have good timing and aim.
If you prefer razor leaf over spirit shackle especially in ranked ur a straight up griefer, learn to drop ur garbage favoritism for certain builds or held items when it comes to ranked, you are allowed to like certains moves and held items outside of ranked, but if ur playing ranked u have to like what is factually better for the ranked mode, if ur running razor leaf in ranked ur a straight up griefer that belongs in beginner rank, onetricking in ranked isn't gonna get u anywhere as a better player nor favoritism for certain builds is gonna make u a better player, you need to learn to drop ur useless favoritism and one tricking when it comes to ranked, because ranked is a mode for serious players who wanna play well
@@ze-prestooospirit shackle can pierce through many different pokemon, so can duralodon, razor leaf being able to hit more than 2 people at once doesn't mean its good, you can hit as many people as u want with razor leaf but that doesn't mean its good in paper, the actual pokemon that can hit as much pokemon effectively are mages, those are an example of good aoe dmg if u hit their abilities well, good dmg, good aoe, good multi targeting of enemies, razor leaf isn't that, what makes a good multi target mon is how much dmg it does while still being able to survive as much as they can from divers, razor leaf isn't that, the moment u run razor leaf ur not gonna be able to deal any damage whatsoever, you will get bursted faster than u can dmg the enemy team, so no, razor leaf is a terrible multi target hit pokemon wether u like it or not, it dies the moment it tries to hit more than 1 pokemon, dies and ends up being unable to do anything in any teamfight or help the team in any way whatsoever, gardevoir can do razor leaf job far better from a safe distance
"Isn't bad" "nor would i explicitly call it griefing" theres a thousand of reasons why razor leaf is bad, its not a matter of spirit shackle being better, but a matter of this build being straight up BAD, unite api will always show this build below 50% wr no matter what, thats how bad it is, if u dont know what ur talking about dont talk, this build is bad, and its gonna stay bad until they rework it, spirit shackle is better than this build and will always perform better than razor leaf because razor leaf is bad, its like saying ground garchomp isn't bad but its just that dragon build is better, you see how dumb ur comment is?, its not a matter of shackle being better but a matter if razor leaf being bad
No it isn't, in what world are u living in to say leaf storm is the problem lmao, shadow sneak deci is only good with shackle, if u run it with razor leaf ur griefing, leaf storm is NOT the problem, its razor leaf, leaf storm has no problems whatsoever as a move, its fine, its razor leaf that is bad as a move, stop hard coping and accept razor leaf is bad and its a griefing move
Well before update Shadow Sneak Razor Leaf was the 2nd highest win-rate Deci build. We can only wait and see, but I don't think the leaf storm buff is changing that ordering. I agree razor leaf isn't ideal, but it's more workable with shadow sneak.
Just make razor leaf a dash, have it do exactly what it does now, but u dash. Adc's are already strugglin and u wanna have one with 0 mobility? Beyond useless lol
Spirit Sackle and snipe shot are high ranged moves, high range with high damage is obviously going to be better, yes I'm talking to you my randumb teammates, but you are bad at sniping too so what can I say, you'll still play whatever you want :(
How have the Decidueye buffs been feeling in your games?
Not really
so i just ran razor leaf leaf storm with muscle, scope, and drain crown with 7 red emblems. it felt pretty friggin good with a good tank and support.
Yeah you are over hating it for sure. Some people don’t have the aim for spirit shackle and the razor leaf is more consistent damage. SS is better in more situations and has bigger skill ceiling but you can pop off with RL with the right team.
I actually like it with a decent squad and I like farming with it a lot more
Averaging over 10 kills a game and great in lane. But it hurts in the final 2 minutes and feel way too vulnerable at ray.
I think razor leaf should automatically max out your attack speed stacks. The problem with Decidueye is that it rewards you for fighting longer, but you’re too squishy to do so. Currently, razor leaf is a “win more” build. It only works when you have the perfect team comp.
Just wondering, what do u think that "perfect" comp is?
@@deadlywiz19good frontline, preferably with pokemon like clef/umbri etc that punish dive
Won't change anything. The issue is with mobility and/or range. If they want to make razor leaf viable it needs to incorporate a dash, increased move speed, or have longer range. Otherwise it's never going to be better than spirit shackle.
@@sammoon7897 I agree that it wouldn’t make it competitively viable, but razor leaf doesn’t need to be better than shackle or competitively viable. I don’t want the devs to make all of the Pokémon feel too same-y. Other Pokémon like Cinderace already have dashes, this would just bring razor leaf more towards the duraludon side of things and make decidueye slightly more independent. Just enough stuns/pushes and enough damage to stay alive and do its job.
@@deadlywiz19 I agree with the above poster. It probably needs a good frontline tank with stuns/blocks, a brawler to flex in and out of the frontline and protect and a decent save/punish supporter. Maybe something like BLVKHVNDs season 1 worlds team where razor leaf decidueye could take the place of Cinderace (Sword, tree, blissey, hoopa, owl).
10:44 -10:48 was quite the transition LMAO
“Not really” 😂
While watching Cris’s Deci video recently I finally found merrit in razor leaf, in that the amazing farming provides insane unite charge. So as soon as someone finds a way to get more out of the owl’s unite move than you get out of shackle, there might finally be a reason to play razor leaf, although I doubt humanity will ever reach that point. And even then, you’d have to be willing to give up one of the most fun moves in the game in exchange for ranged garchomp basic attacks.
Also re: leaf storm vs shadow sneak; sneak not only gives you the movement, it tells you if there enemies you should be mindful of, even if they’re in tall grass, and it lowers their defense for your sniping pleasure
If you want a good sniper experience just play Inteleon. Sure you have a Lazer sight but during a fight the enemy can't focus on it anyway plus 100% crit chance AND invisible for defense. Garchops auto attack buffs have made it one of the best all-rounders in the game. If you can have that as a ranged character then it's even better. That's a huge reason to play RL over SS. That's why spragles cut the video before showing the damage screen for the SS game.
@@diyomaxwell330 I'm not saying RL owl is bad (or Garchomp, for that matter), in fact, that was my whole point: I just find Shackle one of the most fun moves in the entire game and even if RL would become the most broken move in the game, I could never bring myself to play RL over Shackle if I play the owl. Mostly because how much fun I think shackle is, but also personally I find RL quite boring. I can understand people not finding RL boring, but I can't understand people finding it more fun than shackle 😜
And sure, if we are gonna get into the actual strengths of both moves: you can be good with RL and have good games with it, but it's not gonna be as consistently impactful as Shackle. This is a case where the damage numbers really aren't relevant. If you have huge shredding potential, you're obviously gonna get huge damage numbers, if you manage to keep your paper bag owl alive. But you have no secure, whereas spirit Shackle gives you one of the best secure tools in the game, in a game where securing decides every important fight.
Now for Inteleon I will take your word for it; I've never played it. It looks fun, but somehow it doesn't have the same appeal to me as the owl. But maybe that's just chauvinism/loyalty to the og sniper of unite 😅
@Jrssnjr for sure, a matter of preference in any video game should take priority. Fun comes first. It just seems you keep making arguments FOR rl over ss. The owl is totally a paper bag like you said. That's why I prefer the sustainability of rl. It just heals so much where with ss you get caught you die 100% of the time. Plus Rey secure is way less important if their team is dead. Not to mention even if they aren't, you exclusively have the ability to fight and secure objectives at the same time with rl. Your opponents have to do one or the other.
There is never gonna be a reason to play razor leaf lmao, razor leaf is still bad
@@serily4524 you mean other than the free wins in master rank because the enemy Decidueye is playing SS and missing every shot
5:40 Spragels temporarily let his mortal form lapse
Imagine if you could move around while basic attack while Razor Leaf was active? I feel like that would single-handedly make this moveset *somewhat* viable.
It would probably make it broken.
I've been saying this for a loooong time!
you easily can with helping hand blissey
Yes and maybe with the animation of spinner
There is no adc that should be standing still while attacking. Kiting (attacking then moving then attacking then moving) is a crucial skill for any adc in any moba. As long as you're watching your position (like adc's should be doing) then you should have no problem moving around in a fight
Exactly, I would rather choose Spirit Shackle than Razor leaf..
What adjustments I would make for Razor Leaf Decidueye:
1. Once you use Razor Leaf, it increases the range of Basic Attacks.
2. Leaf Storm acts like Cramorant's Air Slash, pushing the user back while also stunning the opponent, plus lower cooldown.
That second change can sometimes feel a bit awkward if not implemented correctly. For instance, when I first picked up Gardevoir and started using Moonblast (which works in a similar manner) I found that the recoil sometimes felt a little clunky rather than intuitive. Personal preference, of course.
Yeah! Like Tel'annas from Arena of Valor
Razor Leaf is essentially a noob stomper. It punishes ppl who hesitate to dive and hold forward. I like using with 5-attacker teams with big damage output lol, most solo Q players brains stop working and they just melt
Go ahead. Dive and get Leaf Stormed.
But jake! Don't you know razor leaf go brrr? It has to be good because it sounds cool!
Just not the same as getting stabbed by icicles. Sounds too soft. Quills are too soft.
Damn razor leaf decidueye broken!
Everyone should try it in lane. Don't forget your potion.
8:16 the Blissey knew her job
“Thanks for watchin. It really does mean a lot!”
“… no not really…”
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Yeah, exactly like you say - you can put in work if you have the proper support, but there's very little guarantee of that in solo q. And I imagine it being so squishy will be a competitive liability as well since it's so easy to dive. Spirit Shackle FTW
And you will struggle putting in work in this trash build
No, I play shadow sneak cuz of the 80% damage mitigation, that's extremely strong when paired with spirit shackle
My partner and I agreed that I go razor leaf and shadow sneak with anti heal item against goodra and trev. It worked amazing
Only works against noobs
@@serily4524 Have you experienced fighting a Deci with Leaf Storm and Eject Button? Not a fun experience. How would you deal with that? You're not a noob, right?
@@ze-prestoooleaf storm is the move that stuns you, that move is somewhat annoying yea but it has ways to play around it, razor leaf on the other hand is not hard to counter, i can count with more than my fingers how many times i killed a razor leaf deci because of how bad they are
@@serily4524 I got to 1600 master rank with razor leaf,shadow sneak, eject button. Yes speedsters are my cryptonite but I usually lvl up faster than enemy speedsters by destroying the entire enemy team. I beat lots of 1600 masters with 55% win ratio.
As a troll build to stomp low rank I’ve been playing razor leaf in top lane with attack speed emblems, resonant guard, drain crown, and muscle band. When hitting multiple targets you actually get value on drain crown and are pretty hard to kill. It also greatly improves early laning
The issue with razor leaf isn't razor leaf unironically. Deci needs mobility. It's squishy AND slow. It often can't afford to stop retreating to auto. Poor thing can't kite.
The not really at 10:47 sounded a bit too connected…. 😂
Like how Alolan Ninetale's Aurora Veil became much better after it got a dash, I think Razor Leaf should temporarily increase its attack range
What's better: eating roadkill baked under the summer sun after lying on the side of the road for days, or eating a tender steak prepared by the head chef at a 5-star resort?
Leaf storm feels good, but yeah razor leaf is just really lacking. Maybe if it increased your range... in all honesty though it doesn't really matter do you know how often teams need an attacker?
Leaf Storm should change Deci's playstyle like Pedal Dance does for Venu. It should provide Deci an aura with amazing lifesteal on multiple enimies so that Razor Leaf can go brrr.
Useless with Spirit Shackle as to not be broken (ranged directional fire doesn't need lifesteal), but complimentary to Razor Leaf's closer mutli-hit design. Leaf Storm currently is a directional 2-3 second 1/2 speed slow on a long 8sec cooldown, not enough to keep multiple enemies away.
I have been a Decidueye Razor Leaf/Leaf Storm build main nearly my entire time in pokemon unite, ever since he came out. I am honestly shocked by you reaction, I've always felt like its one of the stronger builds in the game, what really really helps is the healing item (i forget what its called, X Heal or something?) It's always helped me out of tricky situations. Its only got a 30 Second cooldown, unless its been nerfed, its been a while since i played.
Dude is too squishy and slow to be viable. Coming from someone who doesn't main that stuffed owl, but plays it in ranked. What works with me, if I chose this build, is guarding and being defensive ironically.
@@silferbuu86if u wanna guard and be defensive you should run shackle, that build gives u far better vision than razor leaf will ever do, you are able to guard rayquaza and zone out enemies with it, which is pretty much defending, if u ever play ranked dont ever run razor leaf, only run shackle
It seems like you are not much of a serious player for ranked peter, if u get advice or coaching from any pro player out there, they will blatantly tell u razor lear is bad and shackle is always the better build 100%, if u have fun running this build only run it in standards and quicks, running this in ranked is completely grief, so please do us a favor and only run shackle on ranked, eject button too
That Blissey unite at the end of first match was in time!!
If razor leaf gave decidueye a speed boost that would be massive
I'm a jungle scizor main, but I think the problem you have is most people stick to their jungle. I use the jungle to evolve by 9 mins 15 or so, and from then on I'm a floating lane. I leave our jungle so the lane blastoise or whatever can evolve after they respawn and I focus on fighting, taking Regis, and stealing enemy buffs on my way up and down.
I was wondering why that blissey was good. It’s Flareons!
They should change leaf storm to push enemies from all directions, this way you don't have to worry if it is properly targeted, when you are A pressing on decidueye it makes sense. This will improve leaf storm build a little bit.
14:55 that was nasty
Well the buffs are pretty good
If you use drain crown your hp just recovers so fastly
Yup
I agree
"Recovers so fastly" with what hp?, decidueye has so little hp to begin with, the buffs are trash, razor leaf is still bad
I think Razor Leaf should get the Fire Blast treatment, and then it could be even less troll. We all know stopping to attack as the squishiest Pokémon puts you in really bad situations
It's not a troll if you're not trolling.
I like Razor Leaf, cause you go, "brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" with the brrrd
When will they make a third move possibility for triple arrow to evolve into hisuian deci
you need red emblems to boost rapid attack to its max... but i still agree, still not great, might need a range increase?
They should just go wild with it, make the push a giga long push or a have it push decidueye back a little in the opposite direction it was launched in if it hits something
I think leaf storm would be better if it also pushed you back. Razor leaf, and Deci's basic attacks, would benefit of the Charizard's basics treatment. Let it move around and not stop in place when you are attacking.
Loving the two-battle video format!
Razor leaf with drain crown and cursed item and if you want razor claw but first two are definitely go to.
Razor leaf is such a fun build, i love using it in ranked because its fun and i like fun and fun is fun like i really love fun because fun
You know what is actually fun in ranked?, playing it seriously and playing shackle instead of griefing
10:44 to 10:48 😂😂
You make all the mons good. Thanks for the content
Been a razor leaf main since day one and still going strong 😔 for me personally it’s just more rewarding to clear the entire enemy team in big fights with its insane shred, but it really does come down to have immaculate spacing. Strafing around a fight to avoid danger or having at least one teammate to cover for you makes it better than spirit shackle, but I understand both of those are a rare occurrence for most players especially in solo queue
Please for the love of god if u like razor leaf so much run it in standards and quicks, i feel bad for ur teammates that have to put up with u running a grief build in ranked, yes the build can be fun but thats only in non ranked matches, its not fun whatsoever if u run it in ranked, so please if u wanna run deci in ranked always go shackle, ranked is for winning, not griefing, so pick the actual good move that will help ur team win
@@serily4524 I have a 65% winrate on Decidueye using almost exclusively razor leaf, and I always have the most kills/highest damage on the team. I’ve even made it to master with him multiple times, and that was long before any buffs so razor leaf was even worse at the time. Unite as a game is simply not that deep, it isn’t like league or other mobas. As long as you have half a brain you can perform well with just about anything. If I’m able to carry games with a “grief” build then that’s proof enough. I don’t say this often but in your case this is definitely a skill issue, just play the game more lil bro I promise you’ll get better in no time 👍
@@juliuskingsley4400theres something called getting carried by pro players pocketing ur trash build, you are one of those people, not every trash player is a player that has below 50%wr, some trash players end up getting omega carried either in duos or trios or getting carried a lot in soloq to the point where their wr is positive because of how much they get carried, shut ur trash noob mouth lmao, ur not good, ur just carried
The major disappointment of your team when they see their Decidueye teammate (lane or jungle) go Razor Leaf is unfathomable.
You can say that Shackle is better, but Razor leaf is definitely not grieving now. Of course Shackle has better secure and it's easier to fit into team comps, but razor leaf can work great with frontline too
Leaf storm on the other hand? Complete the title :) PS: Love your Vids Cowboy! ❤
While the leaf storm buffs are good, I still prefer shadow sneak with spirit shackle :)
What I’m REALLY hoping for is actually shadow sneak buffs. That thing is 12 seconds long with a small speed buff. I would buff it by lowering its cooldown to 8 seconds and buffing the speed increase. How does that sound?
I tried out razor leaf yesterday and it was WRETCHED.
Won the game but did I have a good time?? No I did not!
I just got back into pokemon unite whats the issue with jungle scizor
I played 4 average matches this season (44% wr rn) and I won all 4 razor leaf matches cuz the enemies insta surrendered at 5 min
It also ended my 11 and 8 loss streaks lol
"Ravor leaf is bad"
*intentionally leaves out stat screen showing less damage on Spirit Shackle*
i mean the other team gave up earlier. As a user of razor leaf i have to admit that
@daniloribeiro5372 yeah I'm just making a point that he has been shitting on RL since the game launched. Just because you don't play from a safe distance like you do with SS doesn't make it bad. It just means your position is far more important in a fight, and I have only been out-damaged by a SS Decidueye a handful of times in the masters bracket. It's very disingenuous, and all it does is make people flame us for playing the better build.
The problem is that: yes, razor works in *some* games, but shackle works in *all* games. Most sets are based on opportunity costs. But Decidueye's problem is always about avoiding a oneshot.
@@Sageman101 on average spirit shackle has less successful games than rl. Your overall impact for your team goes down the drain if you're missing even a single shot in each fight. I'll give my friend code out to anyone who thinks they can out damage my RL with SS. I promise you there are very few people (likely none in this thread) who can produce more damage with SS than I can with RL after 5 games. Bonus points I'm willing to wager that I even have less deaths because RL is the only option that gives you any survivability. Open invite to anyone reading this.
@diyomaxwell330 what are you trying to prove here, exactly? By declaring you can't aim a skill shot so you default to the easier build? Shackle is like firing an ultimate that also pierces through multiple targets. You have to try and not hit a target in a team fight.
You also can't compare the sheer damage of builds unless both comps are exactly the same on both sides.
I won 16 games in a row. Im in 1548 now. I run claw, scope, and muscle. 6 percent crit from emblems. I’m always the highest level and straight I shred
If you won 16 games in a row you are either trioq or duoq or you get lucky to get good teammates in your team or bad enemies, or both, or your region u live in is filled with bad players that dont know how to counter decidueye razor leaf, this build is just a noob stomper, nothing more else, if ur winning with it on ranked ur lucky, run spirit shackle on ranked always NOW
@@serily4524 I’m solo
@@EliJa-pb8ficarried
@@serily4524 for 16 games straight?
Razor leaf decidueye is very mid compared to shackle just because 1. Lacking of range
2. Speedster best friend and kill
3. Requires a lot more support then just a normal spirit shackle who barely needs support
4. You have no secure where securing objectives is very important
5.mages love a razor leaf decidueye and merk him
A frontline pocketed deci with shackle is far better than razor leaf pocketed deci
i have a sick build with him and dominate every round
Counter argument: RAZOR LEAF IS SO FUN 😭
Idk why, maybe its just the sound effect, but its so cool to just braindead fire them leaves.
I beg to differ that razor leaf is bad. While yes it does put you in a more vulnerable position to use it well, I constantly see people not positioning themselves the right way.
Razor Leaf heals the user with each opponent hit, so the best position for Razor Leaf is next to groups of wild Pokemon like the Altaria, making Decidueye deceptively difficult to take out.
Ngl but doesn’t that seem a bit useless? A pokemon that can only fight when there’s a lot of wild pokemon around?
Should’ve clarified that the Altaria isn’t the only option. The healing can save you even when there’s only one wild Pokemon to drain health from and there are numerous times that regaining health with the sure-hit rapid fire can be better than the long range. Decidueye is also a Pokemon that heavily relies on positioning anyways, and wild Pokemon aren’t that difficult to position around anyways since there’s many across the map.
The mon still dies in 1.5 hits even with the recovery, so fighting next to multiple enemies or farm doesn't really help your case.
All it takes is one good dive player and you die, and you make it far easier for them by playing RL
@@BlackBeartic229All it takes is one well-aimed Leaf Storm and they die.
@@ze-prestoooall it takes is one decent diver player to learn to play around it and dodge leaf storm and deci is dead, leaf storm is only gonna build up a little bit of time for ur eventual death, against a bad player yea ur gonna be able to kill them, against a good player ur simply dead meat, stop thinking u can fight divers and kill them lol, because u cant, divers can burst u down faster than u can dmg them because u have very little hp while they have many escape tools and hp
Freezing cold take: how you fix razor leaf is you rework the build completely. Deci is supposed to be this ultra long range sniper. Why would he ever want to be in melee range. I’d make razor leaf a move in the same vein of Chandelure’s overheat. Land there autos and get a huge shot
Because he has strong lifesteal and can hit multiple enemies?
@@ze-prestooowhat will hitting multiple enemies do if it does trash damage?, if anything the moment multiple enemies are on u you are pretty much gonna die, hitting a lot of enemies sounds good on paper until u realize u have to be on melee range for that, hitting multiple enemies is useless because the enemies can easily focus u and kill u before u deal dmg
@@serily4524
Trash damage? First time I heard that.
You know what? Not gonna argue anymore. Just watch some Razor Leaf gameplay on UA-cam or something. Razor Leaf Decidueye isn't invincible but it definitely isn't as bad as you make it seem.
Leaf storm is really good when enemies arent trying to kill you on sight
Even if they did, you have Leaf Storm.
@@ze-prestooowhich it doesn't matter because they can just dodge it or run back to u and kill u
@@serily4524
Ah yes, just dodge it. Very easy.
Razor leaf is so bad bc decidueye is so squishy and it doesn't benefit his ability Long Reach, you need to be close range to use razaor leaf not only that against speedster and tanky pokemon its useless bc they can just tank your attack or they can just one shot you plus decidueye is a long range pokemon not a close range pokemon. Spirit shackles is better for decidueye bc it benefits the most of his ability long reach compared to razor leaf and white the current meta there a lot of cc if u get stun one it over for you. The best way to buff it is increased it reach and a little damage buff that will make it good or decent.
It's good if your team help you.
No it isn't, shackle will help you and your team far better than this move does
Honestly I get that it sucks as decidueye is just squishy, but i have got lot of good games with this build
Razor leaf isn’t bad… @spragels is really good at spirit shackle.
eventho i can't play sniper decidu well but i'm sure that razor leaf decidu just s2pid
I had a safe guard blissey and got 134k damage with the build
Against noobs its good
Leaf storm shoulda been a 360 move around deci.
Razor leaf is top tier i can solo wipe squads at spawn while standing inside their orange pad
wait, scizor is not a jungle???????? every forking time i play with or against a siczor they go in the jungle AND THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO THERE??!! (also i don't have scizor so i never tasted him) now i'm a little pissed, all those memroies from whem i let a scizor go jungle whem i was playing zoroark are comming back... oh my god
"Buffed razor leaf is bad, spirit shackle is the way to go"
*proceeds to get 15 KOs and 127k+ damage in a game against a leafeon*
Yeah sure, such a bad set you're right
Is decidueye worth buing
Bro made razor leaf look Godly
I once had this nerd Deci with a gold badge I was Veteran 3? and he got demolished with my double trick meow because the clone always get targetted with auto AI aiming. Plus we steam rolled their ass after ray lol
why not show the damage of game two though?
Because I remember correctly it was 120k and 90k so pretty high for bad build 😜
Nah it's good
You just need a fine frontline
Though i guess only experienced Players should run it
Specifically in trio or 5 stacks and def not in solo q since players pick what they like
@@chiaki_drobviously
That is true with basically every adc
My bud takes Decidueye into Jungle pretty regularly. He always picks Razor Leaf because it offers a great alternative into a ganking style ADC. From what I could tell, is that you gotta pick your moments and choose your fights as Razor Leaf, especially picking your moments. Wait until the enemy uses their cooldowns and then punish them.
Experienced players will never pick RL over Shackle because they know it's a bad ability.
Deci is a sniper character with lowish mobility that tries to stay away from fights to do burst pokes at range. Why would you ever pick an ability that forces you to be up close to get any mileage. RL literally loses to people holding forward on it. Any comp that RL works with works better with Shackle.
"Oh but it rips fast" well guess what, Dura and Dragapult do that better and Dura is an awful mon right now and Dragapult is good for reasons outside of ripping.
The only way RL is ever getting acknowledged as anything but bad is if
1. It gives you multiple dashes while it's active
2. It gives you a big speed increase so you can weave in and out
Until then it stays bad and is a bigger noob trap than Goodra, sorry to say
@@BlackBeartic229 deci can hit multiple mon with razor leaf
So the damage potential is more than other ads
Of course spirit shackle is a better ability but razor leaf is also fun
So experienced players use an ability when they find it fun
Couldn't have explained it better than @hoogotot...
I don't think razor leaf is really that *bad*, it's more-so inconsistent, with a move that relies heavily on team composition and coordination, it'll never be amazing in a solo queue environment where your teammates can be of any skill level, outside of occasional pop off moments
It is bad, any diver eats u alive before u get to do dmg
There’s too many things that just need to go in order for razor leaf to “shine.” Team literally has to play around you so badly, like you need a pocket support. Leaf storm tho is amazing I wouldn’t mind to play it with ss especially to push speedsters away
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Plsy shadow sneak razor leaf
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After gold stamp shiny !
Jake: *proceeds to get over 15 kills and 125,000 damage and only died once* don't play this, it's not good, it's griefing
Jake in other videos: Develop your skills and positioning and know how to use your moves correctly.
I'm sorry, but that is what just happened. I prefer Razor Leaf over Spirit Shackle myself because of the insane rip. It makes securing objectives in short time spans so efficient. Plus the damage rip on enemies is crazy. If you know how to position yourself and time your cooldowns, this move is good.
So if you like it cuz it can rip fast, why not play Dragapult or Duraludon or even Glaceon.
They bring more to the table (and yes, i'm saying Dura itself is far better than RL despite being bad) without compromising what their characters do (Deci is a sniper so why are we going with a close range ability with no mobility).
Even in best case scenarios like you described shackle is still better if you have good timing and aim.
None of those Pokemon can hit multiple enemies as effectively.
If you prefer razor leaf over spirit shackle especially in ranked ur a straight up griefer, learn to drop ur garbage favoritism for certain builds or held items when it comes to ranked, you are allowed to like certains moves and held items outside of ranked, but if ur playing ranked u have to like what is factually better for the ranked mode, if ur running razor leaf in ranked ur a straight up griefer that belongs in beginner rank, onetricking in ranked isn't gonna get u anywhere as a better player nor favoritism for certain builds is gonna make u a better player, you need to learn to drop ur useless favoritism and one tricking when it comes to ranked, because ranked is a mode for serious players who wanna play well
@@ze-prestooospirit shackle can pierce through many different pokemon, so can duralodon, razor leaf being able to hit more than 2 people at once doesn't mean its good, you can hit as many people as u want with razor leaf but that doesn't mean its good in paper, the actual pokemon that can hit as much pokemon effectively are mages, those are an example of good aoe dmg if u hit their abilities well, good dmg, good aoe, good multi targeting of enemies, razor leaf isn't that, what makes a good multi target mon is how much dmg it does while still being able to survive as much as they can from divers, razor leaf isn't that, the moment u run razor leaf ur not gonna be able to deal any damage whatsoever, you will get bursted faster than u can dmg the enemy team, so no, razor leaf is a terrible multi target hit pokemon wether u like it or not, it dies the moment it tries to hit more than 1 pokemon, dies and ends up being unable to do anything in any teamfight or help the team in any way whatsoever, gardevoir can do razor leaf job far better from a safe distance
Having a good lucky game every once in a while doesn't mean the pokemon is broken or good, it should be based how well it performs on average
Razor Leaf isn't bad, nor would I explicitly call it griefing, but it's definitely not as good as Spirit Shackle which should be expected.
"Isn't bad" "nor would i explicitly call it griefing" theres a thousand of reasons why razor leaf is bad, its not a matter of spirit shackle being better, but a matter of this build being straight up BAD, unite api will always show this build below 50% wr no matter what, thats how bad it is, if u dont know what ur talking about dont talk, this build is bad, and its gonna stay bad until they rework it, spirit shackle is better than this build and will always perform better than razor leaf because razor leaf is bad, its like saying ground garchomp isn't bad but its just that dragon build is better, you see how dumb ur comment is?, its not a matter of shackle being better but a matter if razor leaf being bad
im a proud leaf storm user
Say what you will, but we'll be enjoying these Razor Leaf buffs when the next Panic Parade arrives.
Razor leaf definitely isn’t as good, but it sounds incredible.
The second game was just target practice lol
Honestly, I almost always dominate with razor leaf
Razor leaf is broken if your team has good support ahead of you l...
Razor leaf is more fun but shackle is just objectively way better
Spirit shakel
Leaf Storm is the problem, not Razor Leaf. Shadow Sneak Deci is good played with Razor or Shackle.
No it isn't, in what world are u living in to say leaf storm is the problem lmao, shadow sneak deci is only good with shackle, if u run it with razor leaf ur griefing, leaf storm is NOT the problem, its razor leaf, leaf storm has no problems whatsoever as a move, its fine, its razor leaf that is bad as a move, stop hard coping and accept razor leaf is bad and its a griefing move
Well before update Shadow Sneak Razor Leaf was the 2nd highest win-rate Deci build. We can only wait and see, but I don't think the leaf storm buff is changing that ordering. I agree razor leaf isn't ideal, but it's more workable with shadow sneak.
I cant aim on emulator so razor leaf for life
I prefer razor leaf just because I'm a terrible sniper 😂. I rarely play it though.
Run shackle even if ur bad with it, thats if u play ranked
I think a good buff for razor leaf is to give decidueye the ability to slow enemies
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Bro said spirit shackle is better but than didn't show how much damage he did at the end 🤣 bias for sure
Just make razor leaf a dash, have it do exactly what it does now, but u dash. Adc's are already strugglin and u wanna have one with 0 mobility? Beyond useless lol
Spirit Sackle and snipe shot are high ranged moves, high range with high damage is obviously going to be better, yes I'm talking to you my randumb teammates, but you are bad at sniping too so what can I say, you'll still play whatever you want :(
hello?
"Razor leaf is so mid, so terrible"....130k damage
"Spirit shackle is so much better"... Doesn't show damage numbers... Lol 🤣 right right
They got a lucky game thats why
Grief Storm 💀