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  • @reginaldwooster235
    @reginaldwooster235 Місяць тому +6

    The the introduction of savage Oppress sums up clone wars in a nutshell. He annihilates an entire clone battalion, jedi master, and apprentice in less than a minute, but then can't kill a teenage girl.

    • @Mysikrysa
      @Mysikrysa Місяць тому +3

      They also introduced Savage and then resurrected Maul anyway. Everything Maul did in TCW and its even cringier continuation Rebels could have been done by Savage on the quest to avenge his brother.

  • @CloneShockTrooper
    @CloneShockTrooper Рік тому +108

    Katie Lucas wasn’t given enough credit as a writer of the Clone Wars series

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames Рік тому +290

    Dave Filoni did a fucky wucky before everyone was talking about it. He betrayed George, and took part in the throwing away and replacing of George's sequel trilogy. Letting Ahsoka live was the warning sign. Killing Darth Maul in Rebels was a key decision. Supporting Kathleen and Abrams in their crimes against cinema was the big crime. Making Ahsoka (the show) boring and fanfiction-y is the post scriptum of the main problem. Which was, again, betraying George.

    • @mac1991seth
      @mac1991seth 11 місяців тому +31

      Oh, yeah, George's sequels were supposed to include Maul rallying al the crime syndicates, but Filoni killed Maul off in Rebels. Without any major overhaul, that storyline is dead gone. What a backstabbing bastard.

    • @bilbobaggins9451
      @bilbobaggins9451 11 місяців тому +17

      ​@@mac1991sethI'm getting tired of the narrative that George was heavily involved in the reasons that were made in TCW. George heavily stepped down in his involvement with the franchise after revenge of the sith. Filoni had some good episodes in TCW, don't get me wrong. But let's not act like the dude has always been perfect. And once again, don't say George was 100% involved in TCW, cause that is nothing but a lie and cope.

    • @willfanofmanyii3751
      @willfanofmanyii3751 10 місяців тому +11

      @@bilbobaggins9451 Except he was heavily involved, lol. Even George's own daughter talked about it.

    • @willfanofmanyii3751
      @willfanofmanyii3751 10 місяців тому +4

      @@mac1991seth Maul was killed off because the Sequels already ensured Lucas' ideas would never be used.

    • @mac1991seth
      @mac1991seth 10 місяців тому +5

      @@willfanofmanyii3751 The sequels took place 30 years after the last movie, I think they could've used Lucas' ideas for animated series or whateverthehell Mandoverse is doing. Killing off Maul erases that completely.

  • @Amarenamann
    @Amarenamann Рік тому +216

    Dave Filoni is right about Star Wars because he's wearing a cowboy hat... And that's an objective truth.

    • @BlackEnigma908
      @BlackEnigma908 Рік тому +6

      No cap.

    • @mala6238
      @mala6238 Рік тому +2

      Correct

    • @DaMaster012
      @DaMaster012 Рік тому +7

      Dave Felony's stupid fkn hat makes me think of what Sargent Hartman said about the only two things that come out of Texas.

    • @Skele10bro
      @Skele10bro Рік тому +15

      “Take that ridiculous thing off…”
      - nobody

    • @homerhat420
      @homerhat420 11 місяців тому +5

      He looks like DSP

  • @SuperMasterJefe
    @SuperMasterJefe 7 місяців тому +12

    Back in the day i was okay with clone wars, certain story arcs im still okay with and thank him for directing (not writing) those episodes, BUT he has not only done irreversible damage to the brand, to the original eu, and to the many interesting characters and storylines that were discarded and retconed. ALSO, he's retconed canon material that didnt need to be retconed so, what does that tell you?
    PS: Im still salty that the Clone Wars 2003 ending was retconned. It was so much better

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 4 місяці тому

      Hahahahahahaha

  • @maxmagnus3793
    @maxmagnus3793 Рік тому +42

    Dave Filoni is a poor man's Zack Snyder

    • @wilder11
      @wilder11 6 місяців тому +7

      No they're on the same level. One plays with his action figures. The other plays with his action figures and thinks he's saying something.
      That's the only difference.

  • @kapitanbuggy
    @kapitanbuggy Рік тому +90

    Ahsokas character has been reduced to nothing, she was already boring in Rebels. Filoni is destroying his own character

    • @darthsonic4135
      @darthsonic4135 9 місяців тому +18

      Honestly, she was fine in Rebels. Boring compared to her Clone Wars self, but she was supposed to be the wise sage at that point. She had her moments, like her fight with Vader.
      But yeah, she lost ALL her charisma (and just her character in general) in Ahsoka.

    • @kapitanbuggy
      @kapitanbuggy 9 місяців тому +12

      @@darthsonic4135 Yeah agreed. I actually liked her in tcw so idk how filoni fumbled the character so badly.

    • @Mysikrysa
      @Mysikrysa Місяць тому +1

      She has always been a Mary Sue who can somehow fight Grievous as a kid and survive and fight Maul and win as a 17 or 18 years old padawan who has never finished her training and wasn´t practising much since she left the Jedi order.
      Her mess ups and mistakes don´t have consequences proportionate to the negative impact of her mess ups and mistakes. The blame for her bad behavior is shifted on Anakin or other characters. She learns a lesson in one episode or arc and then does the same mistake again, and again, and again... Her behavior is the same in the last season as it is in the first one.
      She doesn´t serve the plot as a character with a specific place in the story, the plot serves her. Textbook Mary Sue.

    • @Jdudec367
      @Jdudec367 Місяць тому

      @@Mysikrysa No she wasn't one. She was smart and clever and had help at times so her fighting grievous makes sense really, and eh no with Maul she had a lot of training by then and was still practising really.
      No they do have consequences proportionate to the negative impact of her mess ups and mistakes. Not always at times she does take blame still. No she doesn't do the same mistake again, and again, and again or at least not usually. Eh no it changes and matures over time. No she doe serve the plot as a character with a specific place in the story with her role as Anakin's apprentice.

    • @Mysikrysa
      @Mysikrysa Місяць тому

      @@Jdudec367 LOL! :D Learn to write like a normal human being first, then post. This is painful to read.
      It is possible you are like 6 or 7 and that´s why your grammar is so bad and your ability to prove your arguments is nonexisting, so you just write: "no no not ture no no" like a broken LP. In this case, Ahwoka is a character aimed at kids like you, so of course you think she is cool.
      You will see her Mary Sueness later.

  • @bloodrunsclear
    @bloodrunsclear 9 місяців тому +32

    The thing is 'girlboss' characters nowadays aren't allowed to have emotions, attachments, or interests.
    They are icons meant to excel and stand around posing while smirking for the camera.

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 2 місяці тому +1

      That’s a problem. And worse, the fans want it that way. Yeah, the fans are just as responsible for this as the creators, all while the creators just keeping pouring gasoline in the fire set by the fans.

    • @Mysikrysa
      @Mysikrysa Місяць тому

      They are villains who are treated like heroes by the butchered plot.

  • @Dave_L913
    @Dave_L913 Рік тому +87

    This is a great idea for a channel! If I can make a suggestion - Include a link to the source EFAP episode in the description. I know it's in the beginning of the clip but I'm lazy :)

  • @KevinM491
    @KevinM491 Рік тому +27

    11:20 its wild to me there are still recording from before Fringy was a host. 😂

  • @acarter4173
    @acarter4173 11 місяців тому +57

    Ahsoka behaves like a typical, middle-aged American working mom who eats lorazepam and Tylenol PM just to be able to exist.

  • @phillyskyguy9535
    @phillyskyguy9535 9 місяців тому +9

    Wouldn't it make sense if Palpatine had zombie troopers? Yet instead there's just millions of crew on Exegol, conjured into existence....

  • @Agent789_0
    @Agent789_0 8 місяців тому +4

    It’s wild hearing them talk about Snyder like this after the Rebel Moon review.

  • @lusasedoux479
    @lusasedoux479 10 місяців тому +10

    These are amazing Wolf! Thank you for the hard work AND the nam' war flashbacks from rewatching some of these!!

  • @VulKus117
    @VulKus117 11 місяців тому +69

    Filoni is so fucking overrated. Star Wars Legends is so far above TCW and Disney.

    • @bilbobaggins9451
      @bilbobaggins9451 11 місяців тому +19

      People act like star wars died in 2012 when Disney bought it. Nah, it was dying a slow death since 2008. I enjoy some filoni clone wars, but there are so many crap retcons.

    • @willfanofmanyii3751
      @willfanofmanyii3751 10 місяців тому +3

      Ah yes, I love that moment in Legends when Anakin would randomly be a perv and the Clones would suggest nuking planets.

    • @SolarDragon007
      @SolarDragon007 8 місяців тому +13

      Yeah, the Clone Wars Multimedia Project was great and bridged the gap between AOTC/ROTS very well. TCW, on the other hand, feels like an insane, juvenile fan-fiction that actively damages Expanded Universe continuity as well as the continuity of the films.

    • @willfanofmanyii3751
      @willfanofmanyii3751 8 місяців тому +1

      @@SolarDragon007 Considering Lucas made TCW, not fan fiction, lol.

    • @SolarDragon007
      @SolarDragon007 8 місяців тому +11

      @@willfanofmanyii3751 I don't give a shit if Lucas made it or not. He wasn't some creative genius and made plenty of stupid/bad creative decisions with the franchise. The people who idolize him are almost as cringe as Filoni fans.

  • @SpaZlinski
    @SpaZlinski 11 місяців тому +8

    watch, in a year or two, disney/lucasfilm will reveal that the ahsoka show and the obiwan show etc. is part of a multiverse lol.

  • @BansheeNT-D
    @BansheeNT-D 7 місяців тому +5

    I want the Karen Traviss clones back.
    TCW softies are bad as heck.

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 2 місяці тому

      I’d like to see both portrayals.

  • @peteypiranalover
    @peteypiranalover 10 місяців тому +9

    At least Battle Droids excuse of so highly mass producable, cheap, and the Jedi and clones being vastly stronger than B1s individually really helped those scenes in clonewars. The issue is when they wrote the stormtroopers similarly in Rebels. Canon Fodder characters have different tier levels of effectiveness. Battle droids arent the same mechanically as Stormtroopers. Battle droids on large scale were better but stormtroopers were supposed to be accurate shots with great training.

    • @hudsonk1racer
      @hudsonk1racer 8 місяців тому +1

      They still made the B1's pretty dumb when compared to their movie and game counterparts, but it was at least easier to maintain the suspension of disbelief because of the prequels being the prequels.

    • @peteypiranalover
      @peteypiranalover 8 місяців тому

      @hudsonk1racer yes is Clone Wars they were a little dumber and more talkative. I am pretty sure it was a decision made because the B1s had far more programming due to having to be used for a large scale war now overloading thier systems and the talkative and slower thought process speed was the side effect. While individually B1s were crap they were easy to overwhelm any force and cheap to mass produce.

    • @MediumRareOpinions
      @MediumRareOpinions 7 місяців тому +2

      Am I in a minority thinking that the B1s in Phanrom menace felt much more appropriate than those which appear later?
      Their voices were made more comical and they were given dialogue that was meant to be funny when their first appearance had them acting much more like *Battle Droids* should?

    • @peteypiranalover
      @peteypiranalover 7 місяців тому

      @MediumRareOpinions i have seen a lot of people discuss this. People before clone wars especially prefer phantom menace voices. They were too comical. It has been a discussion since the show began. I have been keeping up with the discussion since the begining

    • @sirpepeofhousekek6741
      @sirpepeofhousekek6741 3 місяці тому

      The battle droids never should have existed. The Clone Wars being just one manufactured thing vs another manufactured thing so boring.

  • @marvelman7285
    @marvelman7285 Рік тому +7

    Thank you wolf 🎉

  • @poppag8281
    @poppag8281 Рік тому +37

    I like the clone wars show and the rebels show but will readily admit they have loads of flaws

    • @dakotalange2858
      @dakotalange2858 Рік тому +13

      Gerivious and ventress were down so dirty

    • @Hellaframes
      @Hellaframes Рік тому +1

      I hate those shows and their fans more than sequel fans lol he’s so garbage

    • @mala6238
      @mala6238 Рік тому +18

      ​@@dakotalange2858facts. Especially compared to the 2003 version.

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia Рік тому +8

      But whenever they got good, they got *really freaking good.*

    • @HerohammerStudios
      @HerohammerStudios Рік тому +10

      ​@@liamphibia meh, not really. They got okay at best

  • @chunguschungus
    @chunguschungus 8 місяців тому +3

    Doing alternate universes is the best thing they could do at this point so long as they make them entirely separate universes and not a dumb cross connecting, stakes ruining multiverse (each universe as separate from one another as they are from naruto). Disney canon leads to a landfill, if they embraced alternate storylines they could create better stories or expanded universe ones, allowing them to silently stop their current canon without the humiliation of admitting it, then all the trash could be relegated to the sequels continuity.

  • @SammEater
    @SammEater 8 місяців тому +2

    As someone that enjoyed even Rebels to an extent, I am glad people are now realizing Filone is a fraud, if anything the only reason the other shows like Clone Wars worked were because of everyone else working on it not because of him.

  • @nand8203
    @nand8203 5 місяців тому +1

    10:30, funny Fringy was there for that. Guess he was not gone but forgotten

  • @cocoz1597
    @cocoz1597 10 місяців тому +1

    And we finally saw that war arc begin.

  • @crimsonpotemkin
    @crimsonpotemkin 9 місяців тому +3

    Turns out Fringy was there for the 300 efap coverage.

  • @Typoh_YT
    @Typoh_YT Рік тому +15

    3:04 is that my video they're talking about? :0

    • @aa6731
      @aa6731 Рік тому +4

      Hey Typoh! You were definitely one of the guests of all time :)

    • @Typoh_YT
      @Typoh_YT Рік тому +8

      @@aa6731 :(

    • @aa6731
      @aa6731 Рік тому +5

      You made a fine addition to the stream

    • @Typoh_YT
      @Typoh_YT Рік тому

      @@aa6731 :)

    • @alosim1541
      @alosim1541 10 місяців тому +1

      Hey congrats it means they’ve seen it but it wasn’t bad so they didn’t have to cover it on EFAP

  • @letmelie4757
    @letmelie4757 11 місяців тому +3

    Disney: Et tu Ign? Et tu?

    • @MediumRareOpinions
      @MediumRareOpinions 7 місяців тому

      Thanks to this comment I just learned that UA-cam auto translates Latin

  • @tehprimelime1063
    @tehprimelime1063 11 місяців тому +13

    I folded my arms while watching this.

    • @CsongorCsatlós
      @CsongorCsatlós 11 місяців тому +2

      This is a body language sing for being defensive or closed off from certain things, not willing or capable to deal with those things. Just fyi.

  • @kirby2567
    @kirby2567 11 місяців тому +2

    now, are do we still have this attitude with dave's vs. zack's abilities in a world post-Rebel Moon release?

  • @death-king1834
    @death-king1834 8 місяців тому +1

    I liked Ahsoka in Clone Wars, pretty much nothing else after that. Her character has long outstayed her welcome. As it goes, George wanted her character to die by the end of the show, Dave compromised with him with her leaving the Order instead. Okay, but she still should have died after the show's end if that were the case. Dave had the perfect opportunity to give her a satisfying but at the same time tragic end, dying in a final duel against her former master now turned Sith Lord during the season 2 finale of Rebels. Vader killing Ahsoka would have been an excellent way to show just how far Anakin had now fallen by that point, where he feels nothing in regards to killing her. So utterly now consumed with darkness and hatred, with his only loyalty being to the dark side and nothing else. But instead, Dave completely retconned this with stupid as hell Force time travel nonsense and she's continued to live on despite serving no purpose anymore.

  • @Instafail
    @Instafail 10 місяців тому +2

    Fringy was apparently there for 300.
    Let it be known far and wide! I guess... If you care enough to.

  • @CloneShockTrooper
    @CloneShockTrooper Рік тому +11

    I am so annoyed by this f-ing smirk and this crossing the arms bs. Ahsoka show was pointless.

  • @killerbees1199
    @killerbees1199 2 місяці тому

    seems like one of the problems with Disney star wars shows, is giving an entire show dedicated to one character. Just seems like the stuff that has done well involves more than one character as the "main" character

  • @IfBatmanHadAParrot
    @IfBatmanHadAParrot 9 місяців тому

    Love you guys

  • @Zeddyboi86
    @Zeddyboi86 Рік тому +1

    So wait, what is entailed by a "war arc"?

    • @crypussy
      @crypussy Рік тому

      That's what I wanna know. Maybe they're talking about a bunch of war movies?

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 11 місяців тому +1

      War isn’t happening, it happens, and then it doesn’t happen a second time

  • @ZeopoZero
    @ZeopoZero 8 місяців тому +1

    I cannot stand David phony bologna. He just takes other people's work, inserts his own characters into it and goes look what I've created. People praise him for his clone wars kid show. All I can say is go read the graphic novels of the clone wars and it's a lot better than phony bologna does.

  • @floweralligator
    @floweralligator 9 місяців тому +1

    This is based af

  • @Krueger_ai
    @Krueger_ai 6 місяців тому

    Why does Dave Filoni look like DarkSydePhil?

  • @peteypiranalover
    @peteypiranalover 10 місяців тому

    A lot of arcs in clone Wars were good individually but miss a lot of essentially impirtant moments that should have been this era. Dave Filoni got worse in most series he did. He was always messy though in his writing and history. People who dont understand writing well enough dont understand the inconsistencies a lot of the clone wars had. Rebels was weaker a many ways, but had many great characters and storylines but i mostly only invested when a character from Clone Wars show or movie was on screen. Bad Batch is inconsistent but a lot of good. Mandalorian was messy from the word go but was good enough fans were trying to make it work. Ashoka was a train wreck. Tales of the Jedi is ok but needs work. Count Dooku was Clone Wars show dooku origin not AotC Dooku orgin. The movie version is far more sophisticated than the average sith. The show made him more generic. And Ashoka parts were fine but largely irrelevant. With crap we have been getting Tales being ok isnt good enough. Resistance was a Disaster.
    Book of Boba and maybe Kenobi have Dave filoni attached but i have to check. Go through his history again is he really a consistently good enough writer or head of a project, not to mention his recent controversial interviews that muddle things further. Honestly i think the best parts of Filoni content is when he has help of more knowledgeable people. People love to forget resistence his disaster too which was cancelled pretty much immediately and is very hard to watch, ashoka being all him writingwise which was clearly not a pro to most of the audience, mandalorian season 3, he many more blunders.

  • @peteypiranalover
    @peteypiranalover 10 місяців тому

    7:43 you say you hope Star Wars doesnt do multiverse S##t. You do really realize this has happened since at least the 90s maybe eighties. We have what 4 different continuities of the clone wars for example and none connect.
    Pre prequels Clone Wars where writers showed the era before lucas unwrote them
    03' show i would argue best
    08' show which is the most known the currently running canon
    Book 08 material that gets changed by shows all the time.
    This is has been a literal multiverse for decades but not everyone ignores it or didnt pay enough attention. Sigh it is painful that know one notices this or explains the difference. If this doesnt count as a multiverse, why? It is same during other eras. If you have a big enough group working on a continuity and there isnt a clear enough organization of what story point go where at the top this will happen no matter what. Multiverse isnt inherently a problem DC got away with it to decent effect for decades, poorly executed recently maybe earlier too but it still worked and you see potentially interested what if scenarios. Star Wars got away with it for decades without most of the fanbase catching on.

  • @peteypiranalover
    @peteypiranalover 10 місяців тому

    Synder vs Filoni writing.......hm need more evidence. Only watched Synder's DC movies they were terrible portryables of the characters. Filoni's content it is unclear. Most of his writing credits are unclear how much was him who deserves the credit. So more info needed. Filoni has many great characters to his name as well as crap ones. But i could easily believe the ones that are the best werent his. I hate watching Snyder movies asethically because every one is shot with a piss yellow filter even the non DC ones. Can you stop being so edgy, at least when Zelda did it in Twilight princess for example it better a better shade of yellow. It is the one positive example i can think of for edgy yellow i am sorry, dont know if that game will translate to this audience. I dont want to watch 300 because of the dark backround, yellow filter and shrouded it darkness. The trailers make it look ugly. It isnt a series or storyline i have enough knowledge to care on otherwise

  • @goodtimesgamingtm1316
    @goodtimesgamingtm1316 10 місяців тому +1

    I hard disagree on Snyder being better than filoni but I should be clear on how little that means. I genuinely don’t think Snyder should be allowed to direct or write movies, he is that bad. Filoni I think is fine in the most literal sense of the word but at least he can make a plot make sense, not always make it good mind you but at least it makes sense.

  • @alexhayden219
    @alexhayden219 Рік тому +6

    Nothing funny to say here. Just "Filoni sucks."

    • @nedia8259
      @nedia8259 Рік тому +33

      he does though? why's it have to be funny?

    • @poppag8281
      @poppag8281 Рік тому +1

      @@nedia8259 I like some things he's been involved in but I will readily admit he is very flawed/overated

    • @edwoodsr
      @edwoodsr Рік тому

      But does he suck better than KK?

    • @alexhayden219
      @alexhayden219 Рік тому +1

      @@nedia8259 because I would rather it be funny than the actual state of things.

  • @mrnintendo88
    @mrnintendo88 2 місяці тому

    You guys should try to write your own stories. It’s a lot harder than you’d think. Criticizing something is easy, making something is not.

    • @Lemon_Inspector
      @Lemon_Inspector 2 місяці тому

      You laugh, but there are people who actually believe this!

    • @reginaldwooster235
      @reginaldwooster235 Місяць тому

      I suggest you check out Critical Drinker

    • @Mysikrysa
      @Mysikrysa Місяць тому

      No, it´s super easy but Pissney will flag and delete every fanfic which exposes their bad writing and ideology shoehorned into everything,

  • @staraptorflock3661
    @staraptorflock3661 Рік тому +2

    If the man hasn’t watched Clone Wars and he’s saying Dave Filoni is trash he’s acting a fool

    • @jerm70
      @jerm70 Рік тому +29

      Dave didn't write every episode. He had a team. Ashoka is a testament to his skill.

    • @tastethecock5203
      @tastethecock5203 Рік тому +3

      Clone wars wasn't even that good.

    • @deriznohappehquite
      @deriznohappehquite Рік тому +20

      @@jerm70 I think the issue is that, fundamentally, Dave Filoni is just an animated director and showrunner. He was serviceable in that role. He’s not a writer by trade. He’s written a few things, but directors shouldn’t be expected or encouraged to write. Filoni should not be directing live action, or even really writing anything. He should be directing cartoons. That’s what he’s good at.

    • @staraptorflock3661
      @staraptorflock3661 Рік тому +2

      @@tastethecock5203 These takes are pure trash next you're going to tell me that Andor is better than Clone Wars.

    • @tastethecock5203
      @tastethecock5203 Рік тому

      @@staraptorflock3661 I haven't watched andor