Were We Wrong About Esau? | Parshat Vayishlach | Into The Verse Podcast
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In this week's Torah portion, Parshat Vayishlach, Esau comes to meet Jacob with 400 men which could only mean one thing: 20 years after Jacob stole Esau's blessings, Esau is finally seeking his revenge. But... what if we are misjudging Esau?
Join Beth Lesch and Rabbi David Fohrman as they explore some fascinating parallels between this week's parsha and a later story, all leading to a shocking conclusion: We may have been wrong about Esau's intentions.
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Two Brotherly Reunions
3:14 All Alone
5:20 Not Just Escaping
8:26 Mincha Preparations
12:10 Biblical Archaeology
15:59 Exploring the Connections
19:34 Who Is He Alone With?
25:15 The Real Esau
Wow! Baruch Hashem through Machiach! ❤
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I feel cheated out of getting to hear the rest of what else the "overlay" was revealing lol. If you intended to whet the appetite, you have succeeded. I appreciated getting to "sit in" on your discussion of the process. I will have to look at the contrast of the missing/different pieces to see what I come up with. As I pondered the characters the first thing that came to mind is the "name change" similarity, albeit at different times. Ya'aqob is changed to Yisra'el after his struggle as Binyamin was going to be called Ben-Oni after the struggle to birth him. Likewise Pharaoh gives a new name (Zaphnath-Pa'neah) to Yoseph after he overcame his struggles in prison.
The "big picture" theme of brothers being reunited makes me think of the "big picture" of Yisra'el as a people and the prophetic picture of Yehudah and Ephrayim (Yoseph v. 19) being reunited "sticks" in Yehezqel 37.
Interesting that you should bring up fear as that has been a major theme in my studies this week. I will also want to take a closer look at the gifts as balm, spices, and myrrh (aka incense) has been a minor theme in my studies.
I feel like you can’t make the connection backwards and learn about the Esau story from the Joseph one; it should be the opposite, that you learn an insight about the Joseph story from the Esau story. So perhaps the Esau story was indeed very tense and hate-filled, and then by the Joseph one you would think that Joseph might harbor bad feelings to his brother Binyamin (perhaps because he thought he was in on the plan to kidnap him, which is a whole different story), but rather Joseph didn’t make the same mistakes as his father and his brother, but rather reconciled with Binyamin
You always have great teachings. I wish you would go into the t'amim more and see all of the other deeper meanings and connections that you can't see anywhere else
This new feel-good theory flies in the face of the Jewish Mesorah, turning the story upside down.
The traditional understandings are no less well-founded than those of 21st century readers.
Jews believe the Written and Oral Torah originated at Sinai. Relying on only one is misleading (at best).
"A little learning is a dangerous thing ; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring" --Alexander Pope
Now, please go and read Rashi on 34:4 and Baal-HaTurim on 44:20.
Promo>SM 😕
Why isn’t it HaShem? I’m aware that no human could win a wrestling match with HaShem, but HaShem can temper his strength down to match our abilities. Why would our creator challenge us in this way? This brings me back to Jōb and the challenges he had to endure before the LORD released him from his brutal test. Jōb wrestled with HaShem too. Does HaShem not wrestle with us all? What also comes to mind is Jacob’s deal with HaShem at the ladder. Many of the verses about helping the poor connect us with God. Someone does not have to be poor in material wealth to be poor. Jacob was willing to give up much of his material wealth to buy back peace between he and his brother. The Jews in the stolen territories of Palestine should do the same, to make peace with Isaac’s seven brothers. By not doing so you fail the test given! Israel is a people who wrestles with God and wins, Israel is not a plot of land!
Why would it be God?
@@aribe6791 because “(32:29) And he said: 'Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.'” (Genesis 32:28, JPS)
The man is God and Jacob’s new name Israel preserves that fact; moreover Jacob admits it:
“(32:30) And Jacob asked him, and said: 'Tell me, I pray thee, thy name.' And he said: 'Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?' And he blessed him there. (32:31) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: 'for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'” (Genesis 32:29-30, JPS)
Excellently put, I couldn’t have said it better. Shalom. Am Ysrael is not a political state, it’s who we are as people of the Shema. Fighting over land is exactly the strategy that Balaam the false prophet used to trick Israel into sinning against themselves thus bringing G-d’s curse.
@SeanRhoadesChristopher English vs hebrew. Elokim doesnt just mean Hashem in hebrew, so you miss a large chunk of meaning when you read english or any Orthodox Jewish translation.
Boy, you ask lots of questions, all over the map, some contradictory, with unsupported suppositions.
Let me understand, did you crack open a non-Jewish translation of a translation just to find fault with Israel?
Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? The Bible, in all 5 books, is quite clear the holy land is promised to Jacob/Israel.
Oh, and where do you recommend the nation of Israel should go, if not where G_d has decreed? This should be enlightening.
One might just as easily argue the reverse: Maybe the brothers of Isaac and Jacob should return *their* stolen lands. No? Explain.