+2chws Yeah, that impressed me. Too bad more of America doesn't have these kinds of values. In some ways, slowly, I think we're returning to the awareness that it is better and we prevent economic collapse & recessions by doing so.
I'd hire all those guys. Now propeller shaft straightening and balancing of propellers never got to that point, but my cnc equipment has lasted for 24 years now. No problems with spindals maybe because I don't run at 10,000 rpm , but only once in a while. I watched this one all the way so thanks. Very nice.
I worked as a machinist in a spindle rebuilding company for several years. Tolerances were one tenth or better. runout one tenth or better. taper etc etc etc.... loved that job... sadly the company went out of business.... was great learning super precision grinding... and the art of rebuilding spindles.... another great video. All of your videos are awesome.
A great video. As a self -employed Machinist for 17 years now , I like watching your videos. I to have been down the dark ugly road with spindles, not very fun. Keep up the great work, love the videos.
Always enjoy seeing jobs you didn't know was out there. And to see one that puts pride in their work and it has been in business for so many years. Great tour. Thank you for sharing. I'm a big fan of your UA-cam channel. GW
This is a great video. I was not aware that this much effort was needed to rebuild a spindle. I have read articles about using type 4 bearings, very precision. Tell your camera operator he did a fine job. Thanks for the tour.
Appreciated the tour about spindles, shows that there is more the what it appears, simple no precision spindles is one thing, but I realize the extend to high precision, now, better than before... ;)
Great Job.... I was trained at the Busellato factory on the spindle rebuild. It is quite complex, especially when they have up to 7 internal sensors....
Don, I've done allot of spindle rebuilds , never used a hammer. I would love to sit down and have a chat with you someday.Take care and keep the videos coming .
Prior to watching this video, I did attempt a home workshop spindle rebuild, it lasted 2 months before failure. I will let the pros handle it from here on out!
Some what disappointing, in that the title led us to believe we would see a precision spindle BEING ASSEMBLED; " what to do ", " what NOT TO DO " etc., instead of just a tour of the Company's facility. Still, another thumbs up for another interesting and informative Suburban Tool video ! Thank You !
Great video a lot of great info however there is a comment made that I don't agree with. At 8:30 Don says not to replace bearings that don't need it. When an expensive high precision spindle is being rebuilt to meet or exceed OEM specs and is typically warrantied by the rebuilder I wonder if he is going to warranty the 10yr. old bearing that he left in the spindle only to fail a year later. A rebuild should include all new bearings.
+Bruce Bellows I'm sure he was just kidding... "gotta watch those pennies" ;P Anything of this caliber will have all new bearing installed. At least that's what I would do to satisfy a client's needs. Very cool video. Thanks for sharing.
I notice you have an image of a mechanical watch movement on your wall. I'm just curious as to why you decided on that picture? Thanks for the great work you are doing for our future generations.
The picture thats on the wall is a watch that I owned many years ago. The movements about a 1/4" in dimeter, I was in to photography at that time and I kind of liked the picture so I blew it up and put it in my office.
Well, I have to say it was very informative. BUT, I want to say that in the beginning there should have been just a little more definition and description of WHAT is a spindle? I know that spindles are everywhere, but you are showing me a part that is within other machines and sometimes the spindle is buried deep inside of that machine. I would perhaps like to briefly see the outside of those machines from snapshot to snapshot. Is the definition of a spindle "anything or shaft that would turn on bearings of some type". Thank you for all the rest of the process that was described, and well done.
Roger O The spindle is the rotating part of a machine tool. In a mill its the shaft that drives the mill cutter and in a lathe its the shaft that the chuck is attached to. Spindles are special because they transmit the power for the cut, but also ensure that the cutter or workpiece is rotating about a perfect circle
Hi mate. You might, but the boss was not all that happy about that remark. The big fella thought that Don meant that he would rather go to Italy for his repairs. If you watch it again, his face is priceless.
Nice video, brings back memories! Have you have had any dealings with Ford Motor's Sterling Gear&Axle plant. I was a machine repairman there for 35+ years. I seem to remember Precision Spindle as well.
Hi Don, I'm a complete newbie in machining but what do you suggest to mount a drill chuck on a morse taper arbor into a common drill press. People suggest a rubber mallet. Wrong? What else?
You've convinced me of my sins. I have to confess to using a rubber mallet to give my lathe some gentle taps to remove the chuck from the tight fit with the headstock backplate. Have you got any tips for how to remove stuck backplate tapers without banging on them or is there something I can do to keep the chuck from getting stuck on there in the first place (it's held in place by the taper and three lug nuts on the chuck that go through holes in the backplate)?
What was the purpose for rotating the spindle in Vee blocks under the indicator? You can clearly see the diameter on which the indicator is resting is ground so it's pretty obvious there isn't going to be any appreciable indicator movement.
I think they explained it pretty well. The spindle was in for repair and they were checking to see if the shaft was out of round and in need of repair. Thanks for watching.
@@SuburbanToolInc Sorry, I realize this response is dated, but it's nonsense. There is no "industry standard" angle for V blocks to check roundness. In fact, you should use multiple V blocks with different angles to check roundness. Please get yourself a copy of ANSI B89.3.1
I believe this is a Bryant ID grinder that can be used for all types of ID grinding. The size and the options make it perfect for this application. Thank you watching.
Rebuilt many many spindles for PDS. 8 plus years. I can say in my opinion they are going down hill over the past couple years. It sounds like the company you went to does better.
this and the machine rebuilding video they keep talking about how older steel was so much better, it seems that someone should just be buying old machines and refurbishing as a primary business
Beware if.reapair requires to be plated to bring.up.diameter...to be ground...will.work..bit never take heavy cut again.. will were out quickly..also will chatter
"Don't replace bearings that don't need to be replaced, hehehehe" I'm no competition, but if you are paying for a refurbishment you should get new bearings anyway, who is putting used bearings back into a spindle???
+cruxer666 Thanks for the comment. They did replace the bearings, which was the main problem. The spindle is back in the machine and working properly; $1,700 later, I might add. We believe the cost was more than fair for the service.
Ever heard of ear protection? And by the way this is a good video quality showing the late 80s but as always in amrican videos there are much to much words made to say the same thing over and over again. Don't repeat all facts nine times, It is just this: Quality needs quality. Precision needs accuracy. Mounting needs cleanliness. Knowhow needs experts. So come to Central Europe to see what is the actual standard in 2016.
I have wanted to see the operations in a spindle rebuilding shop for over 30 years. Thanks again for taking us behind the scenes.
Really honest business, informing their customers on how to prevent damage to their spindles
+2chws Those guys are top notch.
+2chws Yeah, that impressed me. Too bad more of America doesn't have these kinds of values. In some ways, slowly, I think we're returning to the awareness that it is better and we prevent economic collapse & recessions by doing so.
I'd hire all those guys. Now propeller shaft straightening and balancing of propellers never got to that point, but my cnc equipment has lasted for 24 years now. No problems with spindals maybe because I don't run at 10,000 rpm , but only once in a while. I watched this one all the way so thanks. Very nice.
Most of this stuff is probably better than it was when it left the factory. I really enjoyed the behind the scenes.
I was saying to myself the same thing. I am sure it is better than the factory.
I worked as a machinist in a spindle rebuilding company for several years. Tolerances were one tenth or better. runout one tenth or better. taper etc etc etc.... loved that job... sadly the company went out of business.... was great learning super precision grinding... and the art of rebuilding spindles.... another great video. All of your videos are awesome.
Thanks! We really appreciate the support.
A great video. As a self -employed Machinist for 17 years now , I like watching your videos. I to have been down the dark ugly road with spindles, not very fun. Keep up the great work, love the videos.
very cool .Thanks for taking the time to make a video of a shop helping other shops get back up and running. very interesting.
Your videos are becoming the best out there. It is great the way you convey the need for accuracy with a sense of humor.
Always enjoy seeing jobs you didn't know was out there. And to see one that puts pride in their work and it has been in business for so many years. Great tour. Thank you for sharing. I'm a big fan of your UA-cam channel. GW
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
These really are important videos.
That was awesome. Did not realize what all was involved in that process.
This is a great video. I was not aware that this much effort was needed to rebuild a spindle. I have read articles about using type 4 bearings, very precision.
Tell your camera operator he did a fine job.
Thanks for the tour.
Thanks for the nice tour. Enjoyed it.
A rather interesting journey. Thanks for the ride Don! This is greatly appreciated.
love the shop tours, very interesting.
This video was awesome! I'm so happy to see a youtube channel about my field of work. Thank you.
Appreciated the tour about spindles, shows that there is more the what it appears, simple no precision spindles is one thing, but I realize the extend to high precision, now, better than before... ;)
Enjoyed the field trip. Thanks for the video, CJ
Thanks for taking the time to make another video. Great tour! Real deal!
Very informative, great video. Thanks to all the guys that participated in filming and explaining the process and thanks Suburban Tool Inc.
Another great video, thanks Mr. Bailey.
Great Michigan Company. I drive by it everyday !
I love this sort of learning - thanks !!!
great you are showing your venders and field trips good info thanks
Interesting video thanks guys. They clearly know what they are doing.
Very interesting! Thank you for doing this video!
Great topic, thank you Don.
Great Job....
I was trained at the Busellato factory on the spindle rebuild. It is quite complex, especially when they have up to 7 internal sensors....
Thank you for watching.
I truly enjoy these videos and hope you keep'em coming,, i always learn many new things!!
Wow really neat, impressive stuff
I love your field trip videos. Thanks for all your vids, keep up the great work!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Now that was interesting. Thank you for that.
Excellent video.Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
thamks for the field trip,,,, great to learn this world
Don, I've done allot of spindle rebuilds , never used a hammer. I would love to sit down and have a chat with you someday.Take care and keep the videos coming .
Take care as well, and thanks again for watching!
very nice team, nice shop too.. thanks for the video.
thanks for watching.
Good looking shop.
Prior to watching this video, I did attempt a home workshop spindle rebuild, it lasted 2 months before failure. I will let the pros handle it from here on out!
Thank you for this very interesting tour.
How can the world create millions MORE of machine shops like this to keep future generations skilled in machine tooling?
Thank you for the video wonderful
Amazing video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
very nice video. Thank you.
Very interesting. Thankyou.
+Graham O'Keeffe Thanks for watching
Great Video. I hope work like this returns to Detroit area.
Thanks for watching!
Love the field trips........=)
Nice and knowledgeable video
I love all of the drug references in these videos. "I'm familiar with grams".
I bet he was back in the 80's lol
1880's
Some what disappointing, in that the title led us to believe we would see a precision spindle BEING ASSEMBLED;
" what to do ", " what NOT TO DO " etc., instead of just a tour of the Company's facility. Still, another thumbs up for another interesting and informative Suburban Tool video ! Thank You !
+Darryl Dodge There is a lot that goes into these rebuilds,we would have liked to show this also but time constraints prohibited it.
Thank you. I'd like to see at trip to the balance shop.
All great, was hoping to see the chrome plating aspect.
Great video a lot of great info however there is a comment made that I don't agree with. At 8:30 Don says not to replace bearings that don't need it.
When an expensive high precision spindle is being rebuilt to meet or exceed OEM specs and is typically warrantied by the rebuilder I wonder if he is going to warranty the 10yr. old bearing that he left in the spindle only to fail a year later. A rebuild should include all new bearings.
+Bruce Bellows That was a tongue in cheek comment. We sent that in to replace the bearings and make it like new.
+Bruce Bellows I'm sure he was just kidding... "gotta watch those pennies" ;P Anything of this caliber will have all new bearing installed. At least that's what I would do to satisfy a client's needs.
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing.
I would love to work at this establishment, it would be interesting work, It has nice skill variety.
Pedro...
Well done
Thank you for watching.
Artists in the machine shop
I used to do spindle repair. The fastest spindle I remember doing rotated at 60,000rpm.
very interesting
I notice you have an image of a mechanical watch movement on your wall. I'm just curious as to why you decided on that picture? Thanks for the great work you are doing for our future generations.
The picture thats on the wall is a watch that I owned many years ago. The movements about a 1/4" in dimeter, I was in to photography at that time and I kind of liked the picture so I blew it up and put it in my office.
Well, I have to say it was very informative. BUT, I want to say that in the beginning there should have been just a little more definition and description of WHAT is a spindle? I know that spindles are everywhere, but you are showing me a part that is within other machines and sometimes the spindle is buried deep inside of that machine. I would perhaps like to briefly see the outside of those machines from snapshot to snapshot. Is the definition of a spindle "anything or shaft that would turn on bearings of some type". Thank you for all the rest of the process that was described, and well done.
Roger O The spindle is the rotating part of a machine tool. In a mill its the shaft that drives the mill cutter and in a lathe its the shaft that the chuck is attached to. Spindles are special because they transmit the power for the cut, but also ensure that the cutter or workpiece is rotating about a perfect circle
No way! I know this guy, he sold me a South Bend Heavy 10 for $150. you can see it in the background at 19:18
NICE VIDEO
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Love your videos .. And I hate to be THAT guy .. But glasses on when standing next to the grinder ? Anyway, thanks for the tour !
"I'd rather go to Italy". lol
Me too, Don, me too.
Hi mate. You might, but the boss was not all that happy about that remark. The big fella thought that Don meant that he would rather go to Italy for his repairs. If you watch it again, his face is priceless.
I miss building spindles a lot but I do not miss the smell of BG-20.
Nice video, brings back memories! Have you have had any dealings with Ford Motor's Sterling Gear&Axle plant. I was a machine repairman there for 35+ years. I seem to remember Precision Spindle as well.
Thanks! Precision has been around for a while, wouldn't be surprised if you remembered them.
Have you ever been to Ford Motor's Sterling Gear&Axle plant?
Hi Don,
I'm a complete newbie in machining but what do you suggest to mount a drill chuck on a morse taper arbor into a common drill press. People suggest a rubber mallet. Wrong? What else?
Really enjoyed it! Why weren't you wearing safety glasses Mister!
So a "Hot Job" means "machine down" (panic)?
I think I would pay some good money to come work for Don for a few years
Do you work with metric design from scratch- for a moulder shaft up to 10000 rpm approx 30mm diameter?
I'd love to work in there
You've convinced me of my sins. I have to confess to using a rubber mallet to give my lathe some gentle taps to remove the chuck from the tight fit with the headstock backplate. Have you got any tips for how to remove stuck backplate tapers without banging on them or is there something I can do to keep the chuck from getting stuck on there in the first place (it's held in place by the taper and three lug nuts on the chuck that go through holes in the backplate)?
I made that knee power tool years ago
Very cool!
I wonder who makes the spindles in the semiconductor trade and what their shop looks like.
+MainsOnTheOhmsRange
A lot better I can tell you.
hey "Precision Spinal" you should look into 3d metal printing.
...That toolholder at 10:30.....time for new bearings...!
What was the purpose for rotating the spindle in Vee blocks under the indicator? You can clearly see the diameter on which the indicator is resting is ground so it's pretty obvious there isn't going to be any appreciable indicator movement.
I think they explained it pretty well. The spindle was in for repair and they were checking to see if the shaft was out of round and in need of repair. Thanks for watching.
i have heard you should use 60 degree vee blocks for checking roundness. Does this matter ??
+johnptc The industry standard is 90 degree included. We make both 60 degree and 90 degree. The 60 degree are more special purpose V-blocks.
@@SuburbanToolInc Sorry, I realize this response is dated, but it's nonsense. There is no "industry standard" angle for V blocks to check roundness. In fact, you should use multiple V blocks with different angles to check roundness. Please get yourself a copy of ANSI B89.3.1
Liked the video, but I the bearing races will be about as hard as the bearing elements. Slight nit
Hi. what's the cost of rebuilding a spindle? I am thousand of miles away; all the way in Barbados. How do I ship my spindle to you?
we dont do spindle repair !! you would have to send it to the company in the video they could advice you the cost of repair .
17:30 why he have to do that ?
Well, I guess I messed up when I rebuilt my Freeport spindle. $2500 was just a wee bit high for this garage machinist.
What does Hot mean ?
17:47 I assume this machine is specifically for spindle machining, right?
I believe this is a Bryant ID grinder that can be used for all types of ID grinding. The size and the options make it perfect for this application. Thank you watching.
Did he say 120,000 rpm!? WOW what machine was that for? 😳🤯
10:50 watch for the eyebrows xD
;)
Rebuilt many many spindles for PDS. 8 plus years. I can say in my opinion they are going down hill over the past couple years. It sounds like the company you went to does better.
this and the machine rebuilding video they keep talking about how older steel was so much better, it seems that someone should just be buying old machines and refurbishing as a primary business
pumpSHO I've been to a couple companies that do just that, the guys really know their business.
hola
Presumably we're talking about precision spindles and not drill-press spindles that need you to use a drift to remove the chuck from the spindle?
That is correct. thank you for watching.
Beware if.reapair requires to be plated to bring.up.diameter...to be ground...will.work..bit never take heavy cut again.. will were out quickly..also will chatter
Great videos, except someone left the key in the chuck at 15:40
+richie4540 That's a super spacer indexer, it is not powered so it does not count.
"Don't replace bearings that don't need to be replaced, hehehehe" I'm no competition, but if you are paying for a refurbishment you should get new bearings anyway, who is putting used bearings back into a spindle???
+cruxer666 Thanks for the comment. They did replace the bearings, which was the main problem. The spindle is back in the machine and working properly; $1,700 later, I might add. We believe the cost was more than fair for the service.
can I send you a resume don
Unfortunately, we are not hiring at the moment; but feel free to send your resume to americastoolmaker@subtool.com.
At 20:30 Gov. NY Cuomo speech about spindles. ........
Ever heard of ear protection? And by the way this is a good video quality showing the late 80s but as always in amrican videos there are much to much words made to say the same thing over and over again. Don't repeat all facts nine times, It is just this: Quality needs quality. Precision needs accuracy. Mounting needs cleanliness. Knowhow needs experts. So come to Central Europe to see what is the actual standard in 2016.
NICE VIDEO
Thanks!