CEO GETS GHOSTED, NOW WANTS JOB SEEKERS TO PAY TO APPLY?! |
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I used to be in retail management. When recruiting I always made sure that I contacted every unsuccessful applicant. Yes it was time consuming but it was just common courtesy, plus each of those applicants could be customers and I wanted them to know that although unsuccessful this time, the company appreciated them applying.
You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you.
Thank you for not ghosting. Even if you gave some cookie cutter answer at least there's closure.
I have been emailed and called by two people I interviewed with out of the 200 people in my lifetime I interviewed with. It probably took them 3 minutes but it really stood out as classy .
We need more good people like you in the recruitment business.
@@JoshuaFluke1 "You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you."
And how do you change people's mindsets, Josh? By making videos to tell them that it's ok to not have a courtesy to tell someone that you won't be attending a meeting that they know they have in their schedule?
Love how companies feel betrayed when a candidate ghosts them....but when a company ghosts an applicant, which happens all the time, its a non issue.
ALL THE TIME
Same thing how they expect 2 week notice when you quit, but fire you with zero notice
@@rafael502 Not just zero notice but will out and out lie about how there is no expectation of downsizing less than a week before doing so.
If I got 5 bucks for every time a place I applied to ghosted me, I wouldn't need a job.
Say it louder for the people in the back
@@tobiasreaper3650 IF I GOT 5 BUCKS FOR....
What I hate is when they act like you got the job and you end up not getting it, just tell me I didn't get it, be honest.
Lol! Right!?
me too
“It takes time and money to find new employees”.
Yeah … that’s the job. Spend time and money finding good people.
It's like the guy has been oblivious to the costs of running a business all this time.
It's called investment. If good candidate is found, return of investment will happen within 1st day of his or her employment
at least recruiters get paid for searching for people. We don't get paid for looking for a job.
Spend even more to retain them. No? then goto 1
You know, instead of immediately firing the experienced staff so you can get newbies you don't have to pay as much.
My company literally has a notice on top of our careers page, saying if any recruiter approaches them and ask for money to apply, it's a scam. We don't charge applicants for applying.
No normal company does.
So.... You're saying i shouldn't give every random guy who knows how to copy/paste corporate job speak onto Indeed my SSN, license number, personal history, bank routing number, and a job application fee....? Then how do I get a job? ;)
don't some states have laws about this, especially union heavy states like new jersey? if anything this is a liability issue that could see future civil lawsuits.
my first thought, i'd think it was a scam company too.
Haha this reminds me of this time a company wanted me to complete a 'coding challenge relevant to their platform' so they briefed me a feature ticket I needed to create a pull request for to show my competence, now this should never be a problem if it wasn't for the ticket actually being assigned 4 hours of work by their senior dev. The look on their faces when I told them that, sure I would do their challenge, for the 125 an hour I would normally charge for freelance work.
I can't believe people think it's okay to ask someone to work for free just for a chance to be hired? like who do you think you are? Jordan Belfort?
The only companies that should be able to get away with this are ones who would never make you do this. You would complete a 4 hour sprint for google, microsoft or amazon for this chance just to tell others you did it. But those companies would never let an outsider touch their non-open source code.
@@sohaibarif2835 I think you're right in both statements, I would be more willing to provide work to a company in which the result of hiring is tremendous but the same companies that hold this value would never ask anyone to because they simply don't require that input to get a result for their product in the first place.
They're just making free work from job "applicants" part of their business model. Kind of like a modern day, white collar slavery.
Lol, that tells you a lot about a company.
They don’t have any concerns about people stealing their code or poking about looking for security holes... and if they actually use code written by applicants, then they are just plain nuts.
They’re clearly not a serious company.
Lol, it's like translation firms sometimes. They would give you an entire document to translate, proofread, etc as your "test". Later on, people would see their work published as an official translation for decrees or something else. No money for the labour, of course, as it was "just the test" after which they would never called back
If it's ok for a company to e-mail someone 1year+ after an interview to tell them they found someone else then it's totally ok to send a e-mail refusing an offer 1year+ later.
I had an email rejection notice that the position was cancelled about 4 years after I applied. The idiots never found anyone lmao. The department likely got canned.
One I applied for a position, only to hear back well over a year later that the position had re-opened and I was invited to interview.
Like... no thanks. Sounds to me like the other person quit and you just need to fill the slot asap.
@@seinfan9 that's great
Man the number of times I have had this happen is crazy.
I'm an aerospace manufacturing engineer and while I was in college I applied to be a tailor at David's Bridal after I bought some things from them to alter my own wedding dress and THEY asked me to apply. I didn't hear anything after that and it's been 6 years since I applied. They called me up just last month to offer me the job! LOL!
They ghost applicants all the time with no manners or courtesy. Same as when they fire people they are let go unceremoniously but when you leave you have to give 2 weeks notice as courtesy.
Pay to apply? Sounds like college admissions
so true
"It takes time and money to find new employees"
Yep, welcome to the business world.
"We need new revenue streams!" "Why don't we try charging job applicants?" "That's brilliant!"
*Department of Labor and comptroller office has entered the chat*
Well Josh, the listing has been removed so I sent their hiring team a nasty email instead. Keep up the reality checks, my dude. You're killing it.
Lmaoooo nah bro, paste wht you sent here , I need the laugh today.
@@Goval400 I didn't really say anything Josh didn't cover here. Just that it's an abhorrent idea which would never fly were it the other way around, that I know they'd never reach out to a prospective candidate to offer the same courtesy upon passing them up and that this suggestion speaks a lot about what this company's business model is probably like.
Most executives are narcissists: usually grandiose and often malignant. This CEO is doing us a favor by showing us upfront that the company is a toxic work environment.
Any updates on their luck? I'm sure people are breaking their application server to pay to apply 🙄
But they have an enormous beating heart
It appears companies and recruiters don't like being ghosted, so why did they start the trend?
the advent of distant two way communication started the trend, probably when the telephone was invented
ahahahhaha you hit them right on the nail
@@cuddlycooper8169 Probably when letters were first used. I don't think ghosting is a modern thing.
That CEO is going at this 100% the wrong way.
If a job seeker doesn’t see value in interviewing for the position, you need to make the position worth their time.
Aka quit being cheap AF and raise the wage.
It's funny, I am seeing more and more disclaimers on job postings warning about scams - saying they do not charge an application fee or any other type of fee. If your actions make everyone think you are a scammer, you are not conducting business properly.
Time to start calling them out on linkedin in front of everyone. Time to get right in their passive aggressive faces.
The worst part about applying for new jobs (in the US at least) is when you apply via Indeed or whatever and then you have to fill out the same information on the company's separate web portal. It's such a waste of time and goes against the point of Indeed, which is convenient as hell.
I feel indeed is half dead now. Lots of scraped content.
I got ghosted by the company I was already working for. It wasn’t even a different department, I even asked the director for feed back via email and he didn’t respond.
I think Lauren told him it was an absurd, stupid idea. He didn't want to hear it from Lauren so he's asking the LinkedIn crowd about it.
2042 HYPE THO
Source:
www.linkedin.com/posts/lawrencebroadie_id-like-your-advice-folks-right-now-we-activity-6841361738063982592-k403/
5 bucks here I come
Looks like he deleted it already lol
Little anecdote from my job search. An American company paid for a flight, back and fourth, from Europe to the USA to have a 1 day interview with me. So good companies pay you to travel to the interview. Accommodation included...
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
Plot twist - first he restricted the post to connections only, now I think it has been deleted. Much bravery.
The kick in the balls is that you’ll never complete the application process cuz they’ll never call you back and they’ll keep your $5
Imagine only being able to apply for only one job at a time while waiting months at a time to hear back.
Doesn't that guy who skipped the interview realize it's going to go in his permanent record?
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what permanent record? that thing was useless in school, it's useless after
@@BdelaCAS I think he’s joking
@@BdelaCAS I was definitely joking. But I have been told by HR to rewrite a resignation letter in case I ever wanted to come back, because mine wasn't good enough and it would be in my permanent file. This was at a large university. I told them no. Within two months that university was a client of my new company I've now had for 13 years.
@@saywhatnow57 that must be fun, did it ever come back again or talk with the same people?
7:12 that comment "but have you taken leave of your senses?" is so fitting it's wow!
Those CEOs belong in a madhouse I swear.
I just don’t do LinkedIn. It is the worst of Boomer Facebook. Frankly I would rather be unemployed than deal with these people.
Charging to apply, that's a great idea!!! However I intend on charging for my time applying, interviewing, background check, drug test, talking to the idiots in your company and since I've run a company I'll be charging ninety bucks and hour, therefore I will have made ninety bucks during the interview alone. Had I thought of that idea I wouldn't need a job. Its astonishing how greedy and out of touch these nitwits are.
The only company that asks you to pay to join is a multi level marketing company lol
I will say that I think Lawrence is annoyed the guy no showed to a scheduled interview, which is a lot different than not getting back to you. I would say its more like if a company scheduled an interview time and when you arrive they tell you that the interview was canceled but that still doesn't justify charging people to apply lol
Recruiters make around 200 bucks an hour when the worker only gets 25 an hour, which is why consulting agencies are so aggressive. They make hand over fist from their workers and it's sick.
Are you serious - $200 an hour? Don't they get paid on commission?
Dafuq kind of overpriced firm are you working for?
My last firm made 65 per hour while I made 45 plus a small perk
I'm sure the company before that was making 70 while I was making 35 per hour.
200 per hour better be a super niche skillset.
This is like the World of Warcraft joke that there's a guild application fee.
One thing about telling them that you are interviewing with other companies: It can actually be a plus! I.e. companies want applicants who are more in demand, plus will work faster to expedite the interview process if they like you (I've had that happen in the past). So it just kind of depends, and I've only had that positive experience with certain tech/startup companies.
I used to think that these kind of video are getting boring and repetitive. Then I realize that unlike most of the youtubers, even if your video has same theme, I learn a lot of other stuff, like how the recruiters work. Keep up the good work Joshua.
Looks as though Larry has been rightfully shamed into removing the post from his profile. Keep up the good work, Joshua!
The number of days I spent interviewing and then being told the position went away -- filled in house, there was a reshuffle, etc. I should have been paid for that day of stress. I had managers that were royally pissed and still wanted to hire me and weren't allowed to. They kept in touch and spent months trying to get positions re-opened for me. Corporations be crazy.
that's funny. As a candidate, I've been ghosted a million times by messed up companies. It got where that if they reached out to me for a job ( or through a third party ), then I requested a deposit from them, that would be refunded upon being hired....as a sign of good faith on their part, so MY time wouldn't be wasted. No takers obviously
this is exactly how companies and recruiters behaving - they string you along for weeks/months with these 5 or 10 stage recruitment process and out of the sudden they ghost you. But when table turns this becomes a problem...
I'm now in the writing industry and I won't do a writing test/assignment without compensation in the initial stage of my application. It's different when it's further into the stages of interviewing, but it should be a short assignment based on content the company already has. But if my provided writing samples and portfolio aren't sufficient for my application, then I move on to another company. I'm not writing for anyone for free.
Good
If this is not already illegal under the Federal Labor Laws; it should be by now. I was ghosted hundreds of times by corporations. Bunch of hypocrites.
At this point, ive become completely numb to employers not getting back to me after a first interview. Like i even expect it and appreciate it. Am not holding out for any employer. The only employer i answer to (during work hours) is my own. And i can't wait to change jobs and answer to an employer that pays me more than my current one.
The number of times I've been ghosted by businesses.
This guy has lost sense of reality apart from himself.
I applied for a government job. It was a good experience and I left feeling like I had a chance at landing the job. The group interview was nerve-wracking, never had a group of people interview me at the same time. I was later informed that they promoted internally but that they liked me. I got a call from them weeks later informing me of an opening and I went for the interview. They like me but they promoted internally. Weeks later I got another call about another opening. I politely informed them that I was considering my options and that I was no longer interested in working with them. You don't get to dangle a job at someone that obviously wants to work. The interview process was a multi step process and I had to meet with several people, fill paperwork, and conduct an assessment test. Never again.
Sounds like my experience applying to a police department lol
any government job ever
yes some are 2 years long!!
I still can’t believe that it’s okay and common for companies to ghost you after they lie to you face “we’ll contact you next Friday”. Said all of them !!
Every application to a job increases the pool of candidates to choose from. This is why, any additional applicant increases the quality of the final person hired to the position. Applicants should get paid for their time and efforts put in preparation to interviews, because them applying ultimately benefits the company. Pay me for my interview and I'll turn up, what's the problem?
It's hilarious how self-righteous they get on the rare equation where they get a taste of their own medicine.
If a company demands money from job applicants, there is more of that kind coming at you, once you are an employee. Run away from that!
CEO hasn't thought it through. People will see this and think SCAM....or any other number of unfavourable things.
Customer: I'm interested in getting X amount of your products.
CEO dude: Sure, that will be £xxx.
Customer: No, you're supposed to pay me.
CEO dude: What!? We don't work for free here, and we're not gonna pay you for our products!
Everyone: Exactly!
CEO needs to be fired for stupidity
I do that all the time. Yeah, I have to alter my resume to suit the job but I apply to as many as I am able and wait to get as many interviews as I can.
I've been ghosted by so many job interviews.
Great video. This is the mentality I take with job recruiters. I tell them that I know, with my credentials, I have a very high probability of being hired on the spot. So in order to proceed I require a payment. After all they're about to make a commission from my employment with their client and with the volume of recruitment emails and calls I get that my commitment is finite. This has weeded out the garbage and allowed me to focus on high value opportunities who actually pay because they are serious.
Dude I want paper applications back. Looking for a job on line sucks. Can’t tell you how many times I see HIRING signs to go in and be told to go online to apply when I could apply right there
At my current job I had to pay for my fingerprints once I had a conditional officer but the key is I was already offered the job pending background check.
THE DUDE TEXTED BACK AND INFORMED THEM
LMAO
he did far, FAR more than i wouldve already
Don't ghost people just because you've been ghosted. Two wrongs don't make a right. Take the high road. Be respectful. It doesn't cost much. You might end up applying with that company again later down the road and they might recall how you disrepected their time by being a no show to your scheduled interview.
This is just more proof, how inept and useless CEO’s truly are. Yet they are rewarded millions. Utterly wasteful.
The amount of times that I have applied and gotten an auto response that my application was received and then never heard back from the company saying the job was even filled is ridiculous. I have applied to positions and not gotten a call and taken it upon myself to contact them about the status of my application, only to be told that they aren't hiring and that they just keep postings up just incase. As an applicant or employee your time or needs are just not valued today, a lot of companies just want what they can get out of you with a complete disregard to any hardships that they are putting on you. However when you give them the same energy and do your job but have no loyalty to that organization, you see all these negative news stories.
This is just narcissism, plain and simple. This guy is just pissed off that someone didn't kiss his ass.
I've actually started asking for an admin fee if they ask for any of my documentation more than once at any point during my position, including the application process.
Nobody in their right mind is going to be respectable and respectful? Lolwut
You can do that by saying 'I have a new job'. Perfectly respectable. Especially if it's a random response months after you apply.
@@JoshuaFluke1 lolwut?
Not what I asked
@@JoshuaFluke1 Alright dude well I hope you are able to heal your narcissitic abuse syndrome and can be less weird and defensive in the future! You can heal from your abuse!!
I can understand why the guy is pissed off because he has opened a time slot to conduct an interview which someone didn't have the courtesy to phone and say they wouldn't be attending that's just s***** and wastes people's time. The whole ghosting phenomena is a relatively new thing as people didn't act like this 10 years ago, but having said that, charging people for an interview is a joke.
As a greedy person who would probably be annoyed at someone ghosting me and costing me a bit of money along the way, I'd still not be stupid enough to ask for applicants to pay me to apply. I can't imagine a world where I wouldn't be laughed at for it and have no one actually apply.
I disclose I'm in conversations with other interested companies when looking for a job. Gets more leverage, creates a sentiment of urge for them and abundance for you.
The interviewer should have to pay the candidate $10 for every humiliating and/or soul-crushing technical question they ask. Candidates would make a fortune.
I think this is one of your best call-outs ever. Good work!
I ghosted recruiters the way the ghosted me. I even emailed one back telling them "I got a better offer, but thanks anyway message" It's war out here. Stay strong folks.
While, I agree to be polite and cancel an interview that you don't intend to attend, I can't stop noticing the "feminization" of the workplace, where the interview becomes a "date" and the 304 (type 304 on a calculator and watch it upside down, thanks Coach Greg Adams) is having a meal, then discard you.
Only like 5% of the time does a company bother to tell me I didn't get the job. Maybe they should pay me for applying.
You nailed recruiters perfectly
Why can't people just write the salary range in the job applications nowadays? and they expect us to just agree after they send us an offer?
Employers' recruitment processes are expensive and time-consuming because they make them that way.
Wow, I haven't even watched fully, but the CEO sounds out of it. I have to discuss this one, thanks for posting!
8:28 Try this instead: tell them you're applying to heaps of other jobs. If they want you working there they have to earn it.
I have found that framing the interview as them trying to hire you instead of you trying to get hired is really easy and results in them instantly playing by your rules.
Once they think they have to earn you as an employee, it seems they start working to try and make that happen. I'm sure this won't work on every hiring business but it hasn't failed me yet and you probably don't want to work for an employer that it doesn't work on anyway.
I got ghosted after interviewing. Took a one hour bus ride plus 30 minutes walking in below freezing from the stop to the office, all for nothing
Yeah, check is in the mail. Will not be applying there, ever.
I apply for about 50 jobs at a time online and whenever I get a response the person I'm talking to expects me to remember which company they are based on their company name like they are special 😂
Then I usually turn them down because the description they gave me on the phone interview or webinar is way different then on the application previous to the interview. Usually flat out lies.
Hey Joshua, I’d appreciate some advice
I’ve been learning to code for a few months now but I’ve come to realise that I absolutely ducking hate web development, but love coding
I’ve been looking into cyber security and I was wondering, is it possible to find remote entry level cyber security jobs? It has to be remote due to my physical disability
Maybe try desktop apps? Or mobile? Maybe games? Cyber security is very general you need to know alot about alot. Web dev, hardware, different IT connections. All that.
@@JoshuaFluke1 The thing I hate about web development is the CSS. I love just coding and not worrying about how the final product will look. Any recommendations based off of that?
@@ahadzeb1142 While I like styling my webapps, I get why people don't like it. You might be the perfect candidate for backend development, just pure development, no shenanigans. There are plenty of jobs available and more than enough freelance work !
Isn't this what MLM are all about? Asking for a friend.
Sometimes the most "progressive" companies are the ones who ghost the worst and at times it makes me want to be just the ideal candidate for them just to decline or ghost the hiring managers.
It may be time consuming but really, say something to your applicants! They are people and you're not a god above them. I agree with everything in your video!
I personally think compensating prospects at market rates to do a simple assignment (before the interview) is the way to go.
This is scalable, beneficial to prospects and the company ends up with candidates who can actually do the work. Overall it is cheaper than any other method I have seen. It saves the company from wasting time interviewing candidates who cannot do the job. So basically instead of paying recruiters to validate unqualified candidates, you pay candidates to validate themselves. Everybody wins either a job or compensation. It is a no brainer and I wish more companies would do it.
Recruiters getting mad at being ghosted is wild. I can bet us jobseekers have been ghosted more than even single dudes dating
Thanks for doing what you do Josh! I am surprised and also not surprised at the nonsense you bring to the light. Employers are definitely unhinged. Keep up the good work!
"He said he got another job. No courtesy, no manners". As much as I like this CEO's initiative (yeah hate me for it), he now knows how we job applicants feel. Who says karma isn't real lol
It feels a lot like landlord making you pay to apply for an apartment
Recruiters getting more money if you get more money only applies to headhunters I think. Internal recruiters don't get bonuses depending on salary negotiated by the candidate, it's based on experience bands.
It's illegal (in Britain) for an employment agency to charge candidates to find them jobs (except for jobs in entertainment - go figure). I wonder if the same applies to companies trying to recruit?
Recruitment companies should NOT EXIST PERIOD!!!.
If you need to hire someone do it the old fashioned way. Manager takes out time to speak to potential candidate and either hire or rejects them. Not go to an interview/workshop to be batted around. Your going to be working closely with your new manager if they are not present or bothered in the process then what makes you think that's the right company.
Recruiters are only focused on one thing. Commission their whole model is based around YOU the people that apply. Once you apply your on their books. If they refer you to a company they get a commission if you succeed. APPLY DIRECT TO THE BUSINESS PEOPLE stop letting your hardwork be cashed in by recruiters.
To be clear, I thumbs up your work and your content, not the actual jackals saying and doing these things.
Thank you for the info every time
They ghost people always but then when ghosted he comes and cry in LinkedIn
I rather buy lottery tickets. I feel my odds of getting something will be better
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Colleges have been charging students to apply since forever, please, companies just can't go down this same route.
Do you know what is the worst part?
The logistics of control the deposit and the return of the deposit will be a nightmare, probably a lot of man-hours will need to be allocated just to control this process alone.
Also, you open yourself in a terrible way to the legal process. Imagine if they forgot to return a deposit or if someone thinks the reason for not to return the deposit is not valid. In the best-case scenario, they will badmouth the company to their coworkers/online, at worse you might be facing legal prosecution from someone.
hmm, i usually tell them that i'm interviewing at other positions and that at least one is ahead of them in the interview process so they hurry up with their spiel. i think it had mostly positive effects, but it's hard to tell. if anything i don't want to come across as a petitioner for their job in this dumb power play.
His potential clients should also charge him a refundable fee for his interest in being selected as a provider
It is hilarious as workers are treated like shit by the companies and when workers then do not give any extra effort for companies they sound so hurt and start their moral stand.
What's sad and pathetic is that this CEO probably sat down in a meeting and told everyone about this idiotic idea, and the attendees at the meeting agreed, told idiot CEO what a "groundbreaking, new, stunning, innovative" move this was out loud, but deep down they were screaming into that little black box they hide in their souls "WHAT AN IDIOT!!! WHY DO I WORK FOR SUCH A CHILD?!?"
From now on, my tinder dates must provide a $5 deposit in case they ghost me 😂
Lawrence Broadie seems like the kinda guy on Tinder that acts all desperate when he first messages you and then starts to get abusive and frequently puts you down as you get to know him. Toxic, block.
Millions of job applicants are ghosted by employers after investing a huge amount on time on the process