The Heathen Image of the Multi-Part Soul

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    - Wind in the Worldtree on the Soul: windintheworldtree.wordpress....
    - The Bathhouse at Midnight: An Historical Survey of Magic and Divination in Russia - W.F. Ryan
    - Children of Ash and Elm - Neil Price
    - Road to Hel - HRE Davidson (as Hilda Ellis)
    - Myth and Religion of the North - EOG Turville-Petre
    - Heimskringla - Saga of Hakon the Good - Snorri
    - The Prose Edda - Snorri
    - Gisli Sursson's Saga
    - Njal's Saga
    - Poetic Edda - The Waking of Angantyr
    - On the Soul - Aristotle
    - Lik definition: bosworthtoller.com/21549 / bosworthtoller.com/54582
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    music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
    00:00 - Intro
    00:25 - The Concept of the Soul
    02:30 - The Mind vs Brain
    05:20 - The Heathen Conception
    06:55 - Lik - The Body
    07:51 - Ond - The Breath of Life
    08:06 - Odr - Intellectual Self
    08:40 - Hugr - Thought
    09:49 - Minni - Memory
    10:22 - Hamr - The Form of the Body
    13:18 - The Fylgja & The Disir - The Guardian Spirits
    15:08 - Hammingja - The Luck Spirit
    16:10 - The Draugr, Burials & The Afterlife
    17:42 - The Soul - The Sum of all Parts

КОМЕНТАРІ • 307

  • @OceanKeltoi
    @OceanKeltoi  2 роки тому +188

    I'm going to pretend that the notes on my screen with all the parts up at the same time resembles, in fact, a Christmas tree, and not.... a... um... butt-plug

    • @kylesousa2051
      @kylesousa2051 2 роки тому +35

      A Christmas plug

    • @OceanKeltoi
      @OceanKeltoi  2 роки тому +42

      @@kylesousa2051 I'm not sure if that makes it better.

    • @rennidenni7792
      @rennidenni7792 2 роки тому +15

      Unfortunately, since Christmas was a couple months ago. I don't think that alibi is going to hold up in court.

    • @koh123453
      @koh123453 2 роки тому +12

      Shameless Plugs

    • @TheSacredStew
      @TheSacredStew 2 роки тому

      @Ocean Keltoi I'd be interested in your thoughts about our episode on the germanic soul. I'd be grateful if you shared your thoughts on this topic
      ua-cam.com/video/Cz2CmSCCxNI/v-deo.html

  • @howardcook6085
    @howardcook6085 2 роки тому +354

    My father died this past Sunday. Not unexpectedly, but unanticipated at the time. This video is EXACTLY what I was trying to explain to my Christian family of why I mourn but not the same way that they do. I truly can not thank you enough for this video. Thank you!

    • @DamianMaia
      @DamianMaia 2 роки тому +7

      I’m sorry for your loss.

    • @2ndamendment1776
      @2ndamendment1776 2 роки тому +5

      May you father be forever at peace.

    • @ScottJB
      @ScottJB 2 роки тому +8

      Gods be with him and with you and give you peace.

    • @andrewmichaelschaefferXIV
      @andrewmichaelschaefferXIV Рік тому +7

      Even as a Traditionalist Catholic, not to be confused with Fundamentalist Christian, I think Mind, Soul and Spirit, not to mention other potential elements might go their own ways after death
      Perhaps the Mind dies with the brain
      While Soul faces judgement
      And the Spirit reincarnates or rests or roams for a time
      Maybe other elements exist too
      Ancestral Memory?
      Ancestral Thoughts, Voices or Emotions?
      I don't believe every Spirit is either an Angel or a Demon
      Maybe Faeries, Dwarves, Elves, Goblins, Dragons are capable of sharing space with a Soul in a Body and go elsewhere after death

    • @andrewmichaelschaefferXIV
      @andrewmichaelschaefferXIV Рік тому +1

      \0

  • @noelleflasch
    @noelleflasch 2 роки тому +143

    “That problem is for christians” is unironically hilarious

  • @hfreyschildren1265
    @hfreyschildren1265 2 роки тому +79

    Came for the intellectual discussion, stayed for the Heathen Dad Jokes

    • @stephaniebaker7329
      @stephaniebaker7329 Рік тому +4

      Right?! I’m not sure “heathen dad jokes” exist literally anywhere else on the internet 😂

  • @draug7966
    @draug7966 2 роки тому +108

    "This has been widely regarded as a mistake, cause it ultimately resulted in the existence of twitter". Please never change man.

    • @lizc6393
      @lizc6393 2 роки тому +18

      Reminded me of the Douglas Adams quote, "in the beginning God created the universe. This has made a lot of people very angry, and widely been considered a bad move."

    • @katyphillips118
      @katyphillips118 Рік тому

      @@lizc6393 Exactly this!

    • @wynfrithnichtwo8423
      @wynfrithnichtwo8423 7 місяців тому

      @@lizc6393but digital watches are still cool right? lol

  • @kylesousa2051
    @kylesousa2051 2 роки тому +97

    This is a concept I've really been trying to tackle for a while. Growing up Catholic really made the soul into a fixed, inflexible concept, and learning about how many pagan ideologies viewed the soul in many "parts" or aspects was very eye opening but challenging

  • @amethyst5538
    @amethyst5538 2 роки тому +56

    I was brought up christian but my great grandmother asked me this once. How can they say we only have one soul, but somebody can be dead, reincarnate, AND still haunt at the same time? Explain that to me!" I was nine or ten and that began my quest to find out my truth.

    • @appsfamilyadventures238
      @appsfamilyadventures238 9 місяців тому +1

      If they are haunting as you say then they have not been reincarnated.

    • @wynfrithnichtwo8423
      @wynfrithnichtwo8423 7 місяців тому

      Tell the spirits to go back to corpse hall. I hate the foot steps I hear all the time on my roof.

  • @TheJeceda
    @TheJeceda 2 роки тому +17

    "I love history...but I hate history". I felt that!

  • @bforman1300
    @bforman1300 2 роки тому +24

    I have had...too many concussions in my life, and have learned to trust my brain to recall things that my conscious mind cannot. In one case it was when I was in a wreck and couldn't remember anything, including my own name. But when the cop asked if there was someone who could be called I opened my mouth and let a phone number spill out - my parents, as it turned out.
    Another time I spent more than half a semester on automatic pilot after a concussion. I don't remember what we covered in class during that time but I made straight 'A's. And then there was the time I went for an extended period without sleep (my client was dying) and had to take a test. I could not think of anything and the professor was very unempressed, but i wrote down whatever spilled out the end of my pen...and made the highest score in the class.
    So basically I have come to the conclusion that my brain is a separate entity from my mind and we share a body and work together.

    • @Moonsong227
      @Moonsong227 8 місяців тому +4

      I've learned to do similar, but with my body's instincts for my surroundings, physics etc. I couldn't tell you about the math behind some physics thing, but I could intuit or feel it out and understand it perfectly, just in the way that we understand feelings or vertigo rather than math and words. Sometimes I even use this bodily awareness to stretch a muscle in just the right way that it was craving and bothering me for. I'm fairly certain there are words for these senses, proprioception isn't right but is close.

  • @thenightfirewitch
    @thenightfirewitch 2 роки тому +34

    It's interesting how the biblical story of Samson cutting his hair and loosing his strength came to mind with the mention of the Russian Carpenter carrying his beard. Lots of history and stories out there about the hair as something of the soul.

    • @wynfrithnichtwo8423
      @wynfrithnichtwo8423 7 місяців тому

      The mosh-pit/orgy that is the human experience is always exchanging more than just bodily fluids. My first rule of history.

  • @xJadeWolfxx
    @xJadeWolfxx 2 роки тому +52

    The description of the parts of the soul changing or moving on after death was very beautiful. And yes, it does change my perspective on the soul which was rooted in very Christian/Abrahamic societal norms. I like this better, its beautiful and the parts that move on or go to familial ties weave us into something greater after death.

  • @gregcampwriter
    @gregcampwriter 2 роки тому +25

    The Slavic view shows up in stories about magic that have wizards taking care not to allow any part of themselves--hair, drops of blood, etc.--to be acquired by enemies.
    The goblins in Discworld follow the practice strictly by keeping jars in which they store their hair clippings, extracted ear wax, and so forth.

    • @bjornstacy9590
      @bjornstacy9590 Рік тому +3

      Monarchs used to have their hair and nails burned so no witches or wizards could use it for spells against them

    • @wynfrithnichtwo8423
      @wynfrithnichtwo8423 7 місяців тому +1

      My mutti did this when I was a prepubescent child. Hair out of the brush or comb. Fingernail trimmings hell even ear wax from when she cleaned my ears was all destroyed by fire. We are of Germanic ethnicities.

  • @TheNeighborhoodZenPriest
    @TheNeighborhoodZenPriest 2 роки тому +67

    That is quite an interesting view, thank you for the video. And it is quite similar to our general view in Buddhism of what makes up a Sentient being, namely; forms, sensations, perceptions, mental activities and minds. These categories are then of course divided into several sub-categories. This is one of many reasons as to why I believe that Buddhists and Pagans/Heathens can learn a lot from one another, and why I personally keep one foot in this community. That is, except for a general interest in my own cultural heritage and history as a Swede of course.

    • @brutusmagnuson315
      @brutusmagnuson315 2 роки тому +2

      Well, we both worship a wandering being who studies and search for knowledge

  • @alexcypher4794
    @alexcypher4794 2 роки тому +45

    Still thinking about Aristotle's objection to the concept of a multi-part soul. Is it strictly necessary that all the parts of the soul need a unitary cord between them? Is the integrity of a multi-part soul not formed of the parts themselves? The body is composed of multiples, of which the the removal of even one can potentially result in your death. But is this not suggestive of an integrity that emerges from the multiplicity of parts instead of the authority of one?

    • @painlord2k
      @painlord2k 2 роки тому +8

      Aristotle's objection implies there must be something else to keep the part of soul together like a robe keeping the bundle together.
      People are limited in their reasoning by their experiences and propensities and sometimes good at something but prevent them from advancing on other fronts.
      What if the various parts of the soul are just attracted to each other like magnets and when they are put together in the proper way, they just stay connected until a part fades and the rest crumbles as a consequence.

    • @wynfrithnichtwo8423
      @wynfrithnichtwo8423 7 місяців тому

      I still like Aristotle, and his book on ethics is dry to read but should be mandatory for all humans at the ages of 13 and 18 in primary schools.

  • @VisiblyPinkUnicorn
    @VisiblyPinkUnicorn 2 роки тому +4

    I've appreciated that you said that your interpretation about the soul is not the sole possible.

  • @Sheepdog1314
    @Sheepdog1314 2 місяці тому +3

    Many years ago I was involved in a motorcycle accident - I was hit while standing at a stop sign. I had a severe head injury, and flatlined for a few minutes... it was AWESOME. It was pure Zen. Nothing but “me” - but I didn’t go long enough, I went back. When I finally came to after a couple days, I was ticked off - I just wanted to keep going. No idea where, but apparently there is something afterwards.

  • @OstroGothic
    @OstroGothic 2 роки тому +19

    This gives me a lot to think on. I've long grappled with concepts of the afterlife vs reincarnation and so forth. The idea of a multi-part soul is a very interesting concept and hard for my Christian-raised mind to wrap around at first

  • @TheWittenburger
    @TheWittenburger 2 роки тому +13

    This is really interesting. The idea that the body is, in fact, still part of one's higher self, definitely leans towards a more animistic worldview, where there is less separation, if at all, between the physical and non-physical world, and it also makes more sense, since the body and mind do affect one another.

  • @exodus9941
    @exodus9941 2 місяці тому +2

    Haha.. "WHERE....are my keys..?" the way he said it caught me off guard.

  • @howlokitty
    @howlokitty 2 роки тому +14

    I've been thinking about this quite a bit after reading Wind in the Worldtree's blog. I had to stop the video and think about the idea that the memory of my ancestors makes up part of my soul.

    • @QueenYavanna
      @QueenYavanna Місяць тому

      What’s wild is it makes even more sense when you add in epigenetics!

  • @elijahbushee9155
    @elijahbushee9155 2 роки тому +14

    Even reading you titles I learn something. Didn't even consider what the Norse thought of the soul. I had a christian view on the soul, it being singular. But I'm getting from the title that the soul has multiple aspects. Can't wait to watch.

  • @dickrichard5579
    @dickrichard5579 2 роки тому +4

    19:45 reminded me of Tolkien’s words said by Gandalf “what matters most people s what you do with the time that is given to you”

  • @ogerific
    @ogerific 11 місяців тому +2

    Fun note:
    In the animated movie "Brave", the MC's mother is turned into a bear, but she has human like, expressive eyes.
    When she begins to loose herself, her humanity and identity, her eyes change into bear eyes.

  • @CapriUni
    @CapriUni 2 роки тому +6

    This reminds me of a story called "Sammle's ghost" in a collection of British Folktales, by Katherine Briggs, I had as a teenager (British Folktales. Pantheon Books, New York. 1977).
    A young man dies in a fire, and his body is turned completely to ash, and when he discovers that he's a ghost, and asks other ghosts what he should do next, he's told to go see King Worm. And said King worm tells him that he cannot advance to Heaven until his body has been completely consumed by the worms. So he has to and gather up every last bit of ash scattered by the wind, and bring it to the "King." When he finally succeeds in that, the worm roots through all the ashes, and says: "Nope. There's an arm missing." "Well, I had it amputated when I was a child." "Well then, you have to go find it again." And finally, once that's recovered and returned, the worm discovers there's a fingernail missing -- it dropped off in life, and never grew back. And so poor Ghost!Sammle is made to wander the world forever until that last fingernail is found.
    It seems to me that this is a mashup of Heathen believes with the Christian Baggage idea that only "Uncorrupted" souls can get into Heaven

  • @goatsiahthelegend
    @goatsiahthelegend 2 роки тому +4

    6:45 is a whole vibe

  • @zelenisok
    @zelenisok 2 роки тому +5

    In Catholic theology there's the body and the soul, but that unitary soul actually has various 'parts'. They actually accept the Aristotelian view that we have three souls: 1 the vegetative soul - which also animals and plants have, which allows reproduction, growth and nutrition; 2 the sensitive souls - which animals also have, which is about sense perceptions and impulses, and 3 the rational soul, which has the intellect and will, angels have such a soul also, as does God, that is they are such souls.

    • @morbier4863
      @morbier4863 Рік тому

      In catholic theology there is distinction on 3 soul/person parts not only on aristotelian axis: vegetative, sensitive, rational soul, but also there was another very popular view in early church (for example justin the martyr), later abandoned in mainstream teaching due to fear of it beeing misconstrued and misused by heretics (but not forgotten and still explored trough history, for example by contemporary theologian henri de lubac), based on interpretation of bible (mainly pauls letters). This view was of a person being composite of body-soul-spirit (bios/soma/sarx-psyche-pneuma). Most theologians holding this view had different definition of soul in this tripartite relation (soul as psyche) and (rational) soul being nondividable unity (soul as anima) and also held differing opinions of relationships between body-soul-spirit (most with spirit supremacy as both animating principle and element enableing direct contact with the divine and transformation by holy spirit).

  • @Side_Swipe20
    @Side_Swipe20 2 роки тому +5

    I have made you my unofficial teacher on my Heathen journey and I appreciate all of the videos you post as they give me the insight on how to be a Pagan. You’re great at explaining what things mean but also leaving it to our own interpretation to practice how we feel is the correct way. So thank you for all you’ve posted so far and I look forward to everything that comes next!!

  • @chriswedemann8599
    @chriswedemann8599 2 роки тому +3

    I think this only reinforces my assumptions. I have always worked on a more or less Shinto framework, of many parts making the whole. Just as all the Earth is a body in itself, with power waxing and waning, with many moving parts.

  • @ninetales6485
    @ninetales6485 2 роки тому +8

    There's much thought that the Fylgja may be passed down from generation to generation but at the animal Fylgja is new and individual for each person. I have held this view of the 9 to 12 parts of the soul, depending on tradition and author, is the most logical conclusion. Interesting little video! Thank you Ocean....

  • @Perceval777
    @Perceval777 2 роки тому +3

    A very enlightening video! The ancient Egyptians and Chinese had a very similar concept of multiple souls. The Chinese, for instance, believed in nine different souls residing within man. Ka and Ba were the two main souls for the Egyptians. Even Buddhism has something similar - the so-called dharmas that compose the mind and consciousness, they either disappear, rearrange, or transform themselves after death (and some are reborn, because Buddhism believes in rebirth). I know these are different traditions, but it's very interesting to see how civilizations from around the world came to somewhat similar conclusions.
    The Christian concept of the soul, on the other hand, not only is influenced by the Judaic tradition, but also by Neoplatonism to a great extent. Neoplatonists held that there is an opposition between material body and the non-material one soul.

  • @Joob33
    @Joob33 6 місяців тому +2

    I’m gonna have to listen to this like twelve times before I can understand it

  • @BrianimeniaK
    @BrianimeniaK Рік тому +2

    I’m a Catholic who is trying to learn about Norse Paganism in order to find bridges between me and my boyfriend’s beliefs. The aspect of part of soul being “the form of the body” is very similar to my belief; though not differentiated as just a “part” of the soul but simply part of the singular soul’s nature as a whole. All these “parts” travel as one unit rather than separately.
    Your videos have been helpful in finding things to talk about. Me and my bf enjoy peaceful discussions about our religious differences which has been refreshing.

    • @BrianimeniaK
      @BrianimeniaK Рік тому +2

      That’s also why catholics generally believe that the physical and the spiritual are very much intertwined and can effect each other. Many Christians take a “body bad, soul good” approach which isn’t biblical and leads to very puritan ideas. Anyways, I digress.

  • @taitaisanchez
    @taitaisanchez 2 роки тому +1

    We are the emergent gestalt of all of these things and when one of those things change, part of us dies and a part of us is reborn.

  • @Sakuraclone99k
    @Sakuraclone99k 2 роки тому +8

    Knowing I have a multi-part soul helps me a lot when dealing with soulitude!
    Fantastic video as always, I super appreciate you breaking this down. Our society really does lean on the Christian idea of a soul and has painted most conversations because of it.
    Additionally I enjoy the idea that our ancestors are just as apart of our soul as they are in our praxis. Even if they may not be biological. :D

  • @heartlandheathen
    @heartlandheathen 2 роки тому +8

    Ocean, you should read Winifred Hodges new book on Germanic soul lore. It is a great mix of recon study and modern interpretation.

  • @DarthT15
    @DarthT15 2 роки тому +1

    "Thereby ensuring that they would have Anxiety and overall making things worse"
    As someone who struggles with Anxiety on and off, yeah, It's not fun.

  • @grahammost270
    @grahammost270 2 роки тому +9

    I found it interesting to discover that so many religions and philosophies treated the soul as a locus instead of a monad, even today psychology is starting to pick up on it. Thank you for the video!

  • @KarlKristofferJohnsson
    @KarlKristofferJohnsson Рік тому +2

    In modern Swedish, "lik" still means "corpse" and "minne" still means "memory", so it's interesting to think about how old those words are.
    Also, in modern Swedish "ond" means "evil", but I'm guessing there's less of an etymological connection there.

  • @Anubis_F0X
    @Anubis_F0X 2 роки тому +5

    New subscriber here, actually had a friend recommend this video to me as I am writing a story a fictional character that has a Norse pagan background. You have given me so many new insights into this belief system that I just couldn't find in my months of head-breaking attempts to research it. I will most definitely be watching your entire catalog here for accurate research. Thank you!

  • @stokedminer2621
    @stokedminer2621 2 роки тому +6

    I may be new to this channel and a very new heathen but you have the best content. I also love how much you recommend other people's channels, shows you care about informing us over having an exclusive following of people. Thank you sm

    • @OceanKeltoi
      @OceanKeltoi  2 роки тому +5

      My goal is for there to be an informed heathen community. One of my frustrations when I was a new heathen was that I found that people who knew how to research this stuff would horde resources away from new people looking to learn, in order to retain some kind of hierarchy over them, and it was very off-putting. I want to change that, so I'm just giving out the sources, and I've heard a bit about how I'm frustrating those people by doing that.
      And honestly, good

  • @mactireliath2356
    @mactireliath2356 2 роки тому +1

    In the Taoist internal alchemical model, “Mind” is the result of Consciousness’ manifestation in 3d reality.To cultivate Mind as a skill is possible, and has many corollaries to modern biohacking principles. Spirit is the cultivation of Mind; the extension of consciousness into Kong (space). That which transcends our experience of the known into the unknown.

  • @doktordanomite9105
    @doktordanomite9105 2 роки тому +4

    I really feel like the soul is multiple parts coming together, i just cant figure out how many.

  • @nikoteardrop4904
    @nikoteardrop4904 Рік тому +1

    In his "Conspiracy Against the Human Race", Thomas Ligotti goes into detail about how thrusting humans into the convolutions of existence was generally a dick move.

  • @user-ln7jw2qn6h
    @user-ln7jw2qn6h 2 роки тому +3

    The Mexica, or Aztec, believed in a multi souls. One residing in the hair, the heart, and the liver.

  • @lianxie5582
    @lianxie5582 5 місяців тому +1

    Many Old Norse linguists hold that Lothr is an old name of Loki - it also makes sense for the giver of human form/ shape when you consider he is the god most known for shape shifting.
    Older versions of north myth surviving in many Scandinavian cultures also don’t give him a role in Baldur’s death. I wonder how his role has changed in our view over the centuries

  • @saranatari3427
    @saranatari3427 2 роки тому +2

    Some indigenous folks didn’t like their pictures taken because they believed that the photographs would “take the soul”. There might be more context if you ask some indigenous folks that had those beliefs, but it really makes me think of the hair and the footprints. Perhaps the Norse would have considered photographs to be one of the soul parts.

  • @Yotun-of-the-WWW
    @Yotun-of-the-WWW 2 роки тому +1

    In dutch the word for body is "Lichaam" it is a word that combines two parts the "Lic" and the "Haam" body and home, your body-home.

  • @syscrashwashere
    @syscrashwashere День тому

    As a past Vitki and current Buddhist, I always find the spiritual similarities between the two systems amazing.

  • @ramshacklerozza
    @ramshacklerozza 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic stuff as always!!!

  • @tommyr.4701
    @tommyr.4701 2 роки тому +1

    That whole last section was a beautiful assertation of view!

  • @aalin5701
    @aalin5701 2 роки тому +1

    This was really interesting. Great video. Opening and closing puns were all great.

  • @howardhavardramberg7160
    @howardhavardramberg7160 2 роки тому +3

    The soul is the blueprint, the mind the identity, the body the vessel. Imo.

  • @cheyemily6066
    @cheyemily6066 2 роки тому +1

    This guy is hot, knowledgeable, good at explaining complex concepts and great at story telling. Oh, and so damn funny! 11/10 We love to see it

  • @danielkover7157
    @danielkover7157 2 роки тому +1

    Many ages ago, there was the Minni toast. Over the centuries it became a mini toast, until today we have the melba toast. It was invented by a Viking named Mølba. The end. Yay, tiny toasts! 😄

  • @HBCrigs
    @HBCrigs Рік тому +1

    Fylgja: your fursona will fight along with you till the end

  • @KatiaOdinsen
    @KatiaOdinsen Рік тому

    I love your break down of this!

  • @lukekeevill9024
    @lukekeevill9024 2 роки тому

    With every new video, I learn more and appreciate it greatly. Thankyou

  • @greywolfwalking6359
    @greywolfwalking6359 2 роки тому +1

    Tis a good thing that I had thought to reserve a table for "9"... all of the parties had space to come and partake of your presentation n travel back to each of their "9" worldly homes...
    The Christian views of
    " soul" visited the round table as well..not as welcomed as the rest, but present,they were...the belief of " part of your soul" in your hair,beard...(and being kept in a pouch) hit home with all of my relatives sharings/ teachings..
    I thank you for this piece...much to chew on and understand..n ...perhaps adapt,adopt,n make my own!
    Good travels to you n your's!
    👍🍻🧙‍♂️🍻👍!

  • @ragecrane
    @ragecrane Рік тому +1

    Soulidarity.....I just. I came here for the brilliant research and didn't expect this lvl of capriciousness; if i could resubscribe I would to show my appreciation of your craftsmanship.

  • @ulfurkjalkur5165
    @ulfurkjalkur5165 2 роки тому +1

    This was a really satisfying video as it answered questions I didn’t know I had and created more to think on

  • @residentantagonist5352
    @residentantagonist5352 2 роки тому +1

    Gosh darn it, ya earned my like in seconds with that masterful pun!
    Edit: I took more notes on this video than any other. Good work, thought provoking

  • @cylankail
    @cylankail 5 місяців тому

    Following my trend here - commenting on videos I enjoyed far too late.
    This gives much food for thought. I have taken a more nomadic approach to exploring my spirituality. I listen, I observe, I consider, and then I follow the lead. My music and love for stories and brought me here to your videos as a spiritual walker and…as a nerdy D&D GM looking for story content.
    I cannot say that I agree with this complex of a soul’s breakdown of components. The key points I do agree with are “the force of life holds us together” and “the extent of the soul goes beyond what we can fathom.” Life is a source of energy, and just as the nature of energy does it adapts to what is around it and inspires change. So I can agree with the idea that wherever we go we are imprinting a part of our soul to be left behind.
    There is a deeper connection that we can understand. But sometimes we can put ourselves in a box if we try to REASON it. Humanity is still, to this day, making new discoveries and searching for a label to put on it. How tragic would it be if we lost a part of ourselves because it was misplaced, or fell out of the box entirely?
    I think the open minded theory behind this is valuable. And it is inspirational. A breath of fresh air in an otherwise polluted world.

  • @georgepeterson3440
    @georgepeterson3440 2 роки тому

    A great presentation to take another view point on a neverending discussion.

  • @shadedclown5736
    @shadedclown5736 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you very much for being a solid source if information, as well as always directing us to where we can do our own research. It is fairly difficult, in my experience, to find unbiased creators of such Heathen/Norse Pagan content.

  • @sethsharp5615
    @sethsharp5615 2 роки тому +1

    Sometimes, I'm having a hard time. Work/life is rough like it can be for all of us. I will watch your videos to transition my mind into one of spiritual contemplation. Which leads to studying, ritual, sacrifice, and giving thanks for everything that is going well. Which makes me feel better. I thank you for that Ocean.

  • @mgtmoviemaker
    @mgtmoviemaker 2 роки тому

    This was awesome. I really like the idea that what you are as a living person is something that does change when you pass. It seems to fit with the imagery of snakes in the Edda (where they shed their skin). Thank you for making this.

  • @binaryglitch64
    @binaryglitch64 2 роки тому +3

    Do you beleve we have a shared element of soul, a community soul if you will, that's more encompassing than just the family, but our community at large?
    Do we have yet another element of soul that's communally shared with all life?
    Do we have yet even still another element of soul that's communally shared with all things and all life? (ie something similar to the Hindu Brahman or the Lakota Sioux Great Spirit) This gets into a territory that can be considered a god. So that begs the question:
    If you believe in an element of soul that's shared with all things with or without life, do you view that element as a god?

  • @lisafong9584
    @lisafong9584 2 роки тому

    This makes so much sense to me! I’ve always pondered this, and this video has just explained in a very clear way. Thanks! 🙏

  • @NotPoliticalCorrect
    @NotPoliticalCorrect 2 роки тому +2

    Great video , great channel with great content !

    • @OceanKeltoi
      @OceanKeltoi  2 роки тому +1

      Hail, fellow bald bearded one. Glad you're enjoying the channel.

  • @adammiller4122
    @adammiller4122 Рік тому +1

    Love that you worked a Douglas Adams reference in there. Great video.

  • @Vikingjack1
    @Vikingjack1 2 роки тому +1

    I really like where you went with this discussion and ideas. Im totally viking some of these ideas to expand on this in a round table discussion at Southwest Frith Moot. Very well done.

  • @dindrane1
    @dindrane1 2 роки тому +1

    This is a really interesting concept. One I had never heard of, but a fascinating idea nonetheless. I'll be thinking this video over for a few days.

  • @AmericanHeathen1
    @AmericanHeathen1 2 роки тому +1

    Very cool ideas and great presentation of thoughts. Well done.

  • @DanielRWomack
    @DanielRWomack 2 роки тому +2

    What an incredibly complex but fascinating concept! Cheers for tackling what you could of it in under 21 minutes. I recently picked up a copy of Winifred Hodge Rose's Part 1 of her work on Heathen Soul Lore and WOW is it dense. Eager to get through it and read the thoughts of others on the subject. Anyways, well done yet again, Ocean and thank you!

  • @wildwolf3273
    @wildwolf3273 Рік тому

    I'm a berber from Algeria north africa, I'm in love with the norse paganism and even started practicing a little , and it's wonderful to learn everyday ☺️

  • @ethanisnotme
    @ethanisnotme Рік тому +1

    this did not change my beliefs… it did however make me tear up because it validated a lot of personal meditations

  • @ragingwitch8875
    @ragingwitch8875 2 роки тому +1

    Another banger video that I will absolutely be returning to

  • @Joe9923pagan
    @Joe9923pagan 2 роки тому +1

    Man u have so much wisdom and knowledge I want it bad thanks for these videos

  • @j3tztbassman123
    @j3tztbassman123 2 роки тому +1

    So, the soul is a jigsaw puzzle. Works for me.

  • @natemunson2293
    @natemunson2293 2 роки тому +2

    This is the singular best breakdown and explanation of those parts. I've heard of most of this, but never with such accessible and concise verbiage. Very well done. Thank you.

  • @KaosRunes
    @KaosRunes 2 роки тому +2

    The Egyptians had a multi part soul. I think it was a three part. I can't remember exactly. To me the mind is the soul version of the brain. I've always thought that since I was little.

  • @shannenreisewitz3459
    @shannenreisewitz3459 2 роки тому

    I had to pause to snort and curse and facepalm because your intro's conclusion pun caught me off guard and was exquisite.

  • @alexanderokeeffe9837
    @alexanderokeeffe9837 2 роки тому +1

    Great topic and video, as ever lots of food for thought 🙏👌 i never even considered the multiple parts of the soul.

  • @essencer.9494
    @essencer.9494 2 роки тому

    We love this so much! My parts and I thank you!

  • @EFJoKeR
    @EFJoKeR 2 роки тому +5

    A really interesting and thought provoking video. Most of what you described, does fall in line with my own personal beliefs... It's good to see those thoughts being explored and investigated... Looking forward to your next video...

  • @L337P1R4735
    @L337P1R4735 2 роки тому +2

    This is easily my favorite of your videos which is saying something. I love how clearly you described these concepts. Im going to be watching again soon and adding it to a religious studies playlist Im making.

  • @sunnyruth8575
    @sunnyruth8575 Рік тому +1

    Excellent study thank you so much for sharing you hard work of learning and study

  • @ryanjohannes5083
    @ryanjohannes5083 Рік тому

    Well presented My Brother. Many Hails

  • @adamcarey6093
    @adamcarey6093 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the detailed explanations.

  • @jaxthewolf4572
    @jaxthewolf4572 2 роки тому +1

    Your puns ragnorok! XD All jokes aside, I believe the mind is not physical simply because it can't be touched, it's not solid, it's like the air we breathe if so to say. Our thoughts cannot be seen, cannot be felt, has no form and cannot be touched. And I believe the mind rests within the soul, and the soul rests within the spirit. There are 3 parts I believe. The conscious, the subconcious and the superconscious, all 3 parts making up the soul that rests within the spirit (which is the soul's vessel or vehicle). Anyway I found this heathen concept of the soul very interesting, and similar to native american, certain African tribes' concept of the soul.

  • @lilykatmoon4508
    @lilykatmoon4508 Рік тому

    When thinking of the fylgia, I’m reminded of how in the Golden Compass series Everyone has a daemon in animal form

  • @ForlornFea
    @ForlornFea 2 роки тому +1

    Phenomenal video. It’s engaging, funny and informative. This channel is really one of a kind!

  • @nathanodonovan6708
    @nathanodonovan6708 2 роки тому

    It makes me think of how Jeremy Naydler described the ancient Egyptians in his book, Temple of the Cosmos: The Ancient Egyptian Experience of the Sacred, in which he describes the idea that in ancient times people didn't have as firm a division between the inner psychic world and the external world. That what we would think of as strictly internal, mental processes and actions were in some sense shared in a public mental space. Where things we'd think of as external to us would take on an internal, psychological character. how the Egyptians viewed that every part of the body had its own psychic force, almost like a soul of its own. That the Egyptian idea of the afterlife was essentially that when the breath of life leaves the body, the soul sort of breaks apart, and the afterlife journey is to re-unify the life-force/motive force/"Double" with the personality (the Ka and the Ba) so that the multiple-part soul somehow coalesces into a more unified entity (the akh) amongst the righteous dead.
    It's interesting to me that it seems so common across ancient cultures, this idea of a multi-part soul bound together by the life-breath that breaks apart in some fashion upon dying. From the Norse to the Greeks and Romans to the Egyptians. I feel there must be some sort of truth underlying all this.

  • @peach411
    @peach411 2 роки тому +1

    Beautiful

  • @tietajavaskimaan296
    @tietajavaskimaan296 2 роки тому +1

    Good video!

  • @keaganwheeler-mccann8565
    @keaganwheeler-mccann8565 Рік тому +1

    You are a fantastic orator

  • @BlackFlagHeathen
    @BlackFlagHeathen 2 роки тому +2

    I STICK AROUND TO THE VERY END TO HEAR THE KICKASS DARK SYNTHWAVE MUSIC YOU USE, BUT INSTEAD THAT LAST PUN MADE ME CHOKE ON MY MONSTER AND ACTUALLY SAY OUT LOUD, “GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, OCEAN.” 🤣😂💀😭

    • @BlackFlagHeathen
      @BlackFlagHeathen 2 роки тому +1

      Where and how do you even come up with this shit 😂🤣😭

  • @Dovah21
    @Dovah21 Рік тому

    3:24
    Guffawed on my drive home at this moment; biggest laugh I've had all day.

  • @Phoenixblack777
    @Phoenixblack777 2 роки тому +1

    I learn a lot from your videos one I’d love to see is one about the chef to the aesir andhrimnir mostly cause I’m a cook and I’d like to know more about offerings to him.

  • @InsomniacRavyn
    @InsomniacRavyn 2 роки тому

    I come from a mormon background, and i only really left a few years ago, so my ideas about things like the soul have stayed the same. Though this video really helped me, and I think a new perspective that includes the body within the soul will be very healing for me. Once again thank you for your content.