It was a "head clash" not a "head butt". Like I said before Franks' head was to the side and out of the way, if it was a headbutt Franks head would have made contact with Van Der Merwe straight on but he didn't
he means the shoulder hit him in the chest, thus making it a legitimate tackle. There's no way watching that replay that Franks intended to tackle him with his head. Basically Owen Franks is a badass.
It's all about positioning, could have gone the other way round. Doesn't matter how strong you are, a head to the jaw will knock you out... A bit like the paper, rock stone thing.. Knee wins over head, head over jaw, good shoulder charge on knee (from side/behind), head over ribcage, hip/buttock over head, elbow/knee over head etc....
@maristsp I agree with you to an extent. These days many good dump tackles are punished as they are now seen as spears. But lets face it, its rugby, not UFC. You go out on the pitch and blatantly try to injure a player, you will be seen. And if you let one fight go, you have to let them all go. Then before you know it the game becomes one big brawl. It would be a total joke. Modern day players are much fitter and stronger than in days gone by. Making the game a more physical contest as a whole.
@maristsp Yeah ok it is a collision of heads but its not exactly a textbook tackle is it. His head shouldnt have been in that position. Hes tried to hit him with a straight arm, its dangerous.
the current laws are quite clear on this - the burden is on the tackler 100 percent to conduct the tackle safely - headbutting the ball carrier is clearly not doing so therefore it is a foul - read the laws some time
@Crusadersxv its not a question of making it illegal - it is illegal to headbutt the ball carrier - its up to the tackler to make sure this doesnt happen - im pretty sure the pathetically one eyed kiwi commentators wouldnt be singing the same song if it had been the other way round
@tommymonsternz as we saw with the warburton case intent is irrelevant -it solely up to the tackler to ensure that he completes the tackle legally - and im afraid that if your tackle involves a headbutt that leaves the carrier with a mangled face it clearly wasnt legal - if thats franks style he should think about changing it - the moral ofthe story is - just because a biased commentator says something is legitimate it doesnt make it legitimate
I'm not a union fan... Its just common sense, he didnt intend to headbutt the ball carrier, in fact it wasn't even a headbutt at all. Owen Franks head was to the side and wasn't driving into Van Der Merwe.
No its not "clearly" a foul, if it was clearly a foul there would be no reason for people to argue about it... it was an accidental headclash which happen often but dont get penalized.
lol why do so many different sports all claim the name 'football'? just call it rugby, makes it easier for everyone. and btw, it hasnt 'gone soft' at all. in fact the game continues to get more physical every year.
@JustinRSoles more physical every year??? in the old days pugilism was an important part of the game, look up 'kevin skinner 1956', now if a punch is thrown its an automatic red card! in the 70s and 80s when you dropped a player on their head it was a good tackle, now if drop someone on their head (or even on their back 2011) its called a spear tackle!!. . . . . why dont we all just play touch??!!
WHO IS ON TOP OF THE LOG?SOME MORE NEWS FROM SA VICTOR MATFIELD IS COMING BACK AS SPRINGBOK CAPTAIN.BEKKERS BACK INJURY IS NOT THAT SERIOUS AS THEY THOUGHT,AS OUR PLAYERS ARE SAYING IN AFRIKAANS BEFORE EACH LINEOUT,OUR BALL IS OURS AND THERES ARE ALSO OURS.IM NOT ENGLISH SPEAKING SO PLEASE EXCUSE ANY MISTAKES.
@cognoscenti2011 i have no axe to grind about this having no interest in either team - therefore it is not possible to be bitter about anything - aside from the amateur psychology headbutting a ball carrier intentional or not -regardless of the players reputation is a foul and a penalty and not legitimate despite your and the commentators desperate attempts to make it so - the crowing by the commentator and people on here is also incidental about the injury is also unsavoury but incidental
"That's legitimate. He's hit him in the chest." What a crock of shit. As if saying that, as a commentator, makes it so. He smashed him, head first, in the face. What the hell are you smoking down there in New Zullund?
yeah sadly youre wrong - intent isnt mentioned in the laws to avoid this kind of question - it was a head butt either that or an alien did it - the commentary is quite seductive because it makes it sound good - but its totally wrong - its a penalty under the laws
lol at the pink song in the background
respect Van Der Merwe. Not Everyone know what it feels like to be hit by a Franks.
The sound.. Holy shit that was loud
The irony of 'Perfect' by Pink playing in the background of someone's face being disfigured
Dude it was a head clash, it's rugby, it happens.
the sound holy fuck it was like a firework
A tough hit between two tough players.
@JustinRSoles how is it a shoulder charge when he hit him with his head?
haha the ref "sorry my fault" if i was flip i woulda wrote a complaint
nowdays that'd be a red and 6 weeks with an early plea
Owen Franks, get it in ya!
HE DIVED
he says -boomf faa, a common expression when describing a collision in these parts
@JustinRSoles in this part of the world this is football!
owen franks is a boss
What a hit, sure Franks is related to Jerry Collins!
for second I thought you said Jimmy Cowan
Im his cousin no joke
what is owen franks' head made of?
lol flip got wacked in 2010 by jerome kaino (blues vs bulls in auckland), probably the hit of the season (besides his hit on davies of wales)
Good
3 words
SMASHED EM BRO!!!
franks you BEAST!!! hahaha
The ref got a good view at that one
OWEEEEEEEEEEN
Flip van der merwe almost living it up to his name almost got flipped alright lol
It was a "head clash" not a "head butt". Like I said before Franks' head was to the side and out of the way, if it was a headbutt Franks head would have made contact with Van Der Merwe straight on but he didn't
@SoCalRugger Lol yup
but he didnt miss it... he was right there watching it
he means the shoulder hit him in the chest, thus making it a legitimate tackle. There's no way watching that replay that Franks intended to tackle him with his head. Basically Owen Franks is a badass.
Flip is a cool name lol
It's all about positioning, could have gone the other way round. Doesn't matter how strong you are, a head to the jaw will knock you out... A bit like the paper, rock stone thing.. Knee wins over head, head over jaw, good shoulder charge on knee (from side/behind), head over ribcage, hip/buttock over head, elbow/knee over head etc....
Holy shit and it was legal too so he cant be penalised
you can still be cited even if the ref misses it - he should have been but probably wasnt
@Crusadersxv im pretty sure headbutting the ball carrier isillegal
Offensive gameplan of any team should always b e- Don't fuck with Owen!!
ouch...
@maristsp I agree with you to an extent. These days many good dump tackles are punished as they are now seen as spears. But lets face it, its rugby, not UFC. You go out on the pitch and blatantly try to injure a player, you will be seen. And if you let one fight go, you have to let them all go. Then before you know it the game becomes one big brawl. It would be a total joke. Modern day players are much fitter and stronger than in days gone by. Making the game a more physical contest as a whole.
That's a sickening thud!
@bebedjinny mmm i feel you
Anyone who runs straight at Owen Franks must have a death wish!
r u still watching the same video as us
So thats what caused the Christchurch quakes!! The Franks Bros using blue bulls as skittles!
I think the background music is a perfect example for bad timing.
@maristsp Yeah ok it is a collision of heads but its not exactly a textbook tackle is it. His head shouldnt have been in that position. Hes tried to hit him with a straight arm, its dangerous.
@westsideAUKILANI more like SMASHED EM BRU!!!
this is cart yelow
It's a proper tackle you idiot...
Jorji Kifach accidental head clash
100 years lol
+Alpha Male
He's using his arms though...? I don't think you should be throwing around terms you just learned on youtube like shoulder and arms.
k
WILL I SPOKE TO OWEN THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID THAT FLIP CAN TRY AND GET SOME REVENGE BUT GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
franks done it against the chiefs yet again.. this time latimer
FLIP WAS UPRIGHT AND DIDNT SEE IT COMING,COME TRY HIM AGAIN,SPOKE TO HIM A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND BELIEVE ME HE WILL TAKE REVENGE.
the current laws are quite clear on this - the burden is on the tackler 100 percent to conduct the tackle safely - headbutting the ball carrier is clearly not doing so therefore it is a foul - read the laws some time
@Crusadersxv its not a question of making it illegal - it is illegal to headbutt the ball carrier - its up to the tackler to make sure this doesnt happen - im pretty sure the pathetically one eyed kiwi commentators wouldnt be singing the same song if it had been the other way round
@tommymonsternz as we saw with the warburton case intent is irrelevant -it solely up to the tackler to ensure that he completes the tackle legally - and im afraid that if your tackle involves a headbutt that leaves the carrier with a mangled face it clearly wasnt legal - if thats franks style he should think about changing it - the moral ofthe story is - just because a biased commentator says something is legitimate it doesnt make it legitimate
flip woke up and thought he was in pretoria
@zest4lyfe Don't worry about it, unless you play Super Rugby you will never have to get in contact with anyone as strong as Owen Franks :P
I'm not a union fan... Its just common sense, he didnt intend to headbutt the ball carrier, in fact it wasn't even a headbutt at all. Owen Franks head was to the side and wasn't driving into Van Der Merwe.
@JustinRSoles you my friend make me feel very sad.. football has gone so soft that the game is in serious trouble!!
No its not "clearly" a foul, if it was clearly a foul there would be no reason for people to argue about it... it was an accidental headclash which happen often but dont get penalized.
@hullohulloRFC lmao
Ohhhh he gt f*** up
lol why do so many different sports all claim the name 'football'? just call it rugby, makes it easier for everyone. and btw, it hasnt 'gone soft' at all. in fact the game continues to get more physical every year.
Arms wrapped around ... I think you should have a quick flick through the rules mate.
Good luck getting past one of the Franks boys
rugbydump lol
@JustinRSoles more physical every year??? in the old days pugilism was an important part of the game, look up 'kevin skinner 1956', now if a punch is thrown its an automatic red card! in the 70s and 80s when you dropped a player on their head it was a good tackle, now if drop someone on their head (or even on their back 2011) its called a spear tackle!!. . . . . why dont we all just play touch??!!
just a clash of heads. not a crunching tackle.
+Jack Dowd yeah spot on it can happen at anytime he was just unlucky, the thing is though it didnt seem to affect franks lol
Well it was more face on head and face will always come off second best.
but if the ref says it's legitimate it is which is what happened here.
theres no Van de merwe person in this
Haha, course he will.
its clearly a foul so he missed it
WHO IS ON TOP OF THE LOG?SOME MORE NEWS FROM SA VICTOR MATFIELD IS COMING BACK AS SPRINGBOK CAPTAIN.BEKKERS BACK INJURY IS NOT THAT SERIOUS AS THEY THOUGHT,AS OUR PLAYERS ARE SAYING IN AFRIKAANS BEFORE EACH LINEOUT,OUR BALL IS OURS AND THERES ARE ALSO OURS.IM NOT ENGLISH SPEAKING SO PLEASE EXCUSE ANY MISTAKES.
@maristsp football? wrong sport mate
Poommffffttt
Head but should be a red card how in any game.. buyest NZ comentater.. Compare this to Bismarck getting Yello for chest high tackle on Carter..? Sick
Flip was smashed by "owned" franks
so its been 3 days since the game, i wanna see what FVDM face looks like now, probably looking some what like the bad side of a racoons ass!
@cognoscenti2011 i have no axe to grind about this having no interest in either team - therefore it is not possible to be bitter about anything - aside from the amateur psychology headbutting a ball carrier intentional or not -regardless of the players reputation is a foul and a penalty and not legitimate despite your and the commentators desperate attempts to make it so - the crowing by the commentator and people on here is also incidental about the injury is also unsavoury but incidental
@bebedjinny aint part of the game.
@kuruki213 Its awful technique. Look at the position hes in when he makes contact.
Dead.
"That's legitimate. He's hit him in the chest."
What a crock of shit. As if saying that, as a commentator, makes it so. He smashed him, head first, in the face. What the hell are you smoking down there in New Zullund?
misterkatman
Pussy
sorry but that isnt legitimate at all
@duffer8575 racist much ?
LOL how is that a 'legitimate' tackle?? Its a shoulder charge to the face without any attempt to wrap the arms around. Clear yellow card
These commentators show absoloutley no interest in his well being at all if it was the other way round they've be going mental lol
Looked like a shoulder to me?
yeah sadly youre wrong - intent isnt mentioned in the laws to avoid this kind of question - it was a head butt either that or an alien did it - the commentary is quite seductive because it makes it sound good - but its totally wrong - its a penalty under the laws
Hes contacted the head (accidently), penalty, sinbin and citing would be fair I think
Very unsporting tackle