Thanks for the video.. What clips are you using? Also would have been good to see how you finish cutting the transition piece ends. I like the track saw idea.. Just wondering how you finish the cut. Thanks!
How did you rip the remaining boards of the divider at the ends since saw cannot reach flush to end? This is in regards to the end of the video using the track saw?
Beautiful job. How do you guys charged, per project or per square ft? I have a small project building a small deck 10x22 square ft. Any idea how much to charge for this project? Thanks
Really enjoy the craftsmanship on display here. You guys rock it! It’s fun to watch real pros. Would be cool to see some examples of how the facia is finished out...see lots of videos of people doing composite decks but what about covering that ugly end piece?
Exactly, and thought it was funny how the guy was pushing the gaps out of the section of deck while the other guy was standing on it preventing any movement 🙄
We call that the money cut. Cuz if you mess that up you just lost alot of money. Im a co owner of Balabros Inc, were from cherry hill we often bid some of the same jobs. You guys are doin it 100 i love it.
Hell yeah ive messed up that cut and you only have to do it once and then you’re extra careful the rest of your life 🤣🤣 good to hear from a fellow south jersey guy!
Bonjour vous avez une façon de travailler ok super vous construisez des maisons uniquement en bois nous en France on construit en brique rouge et la structure bois et uniquement en toiture on appelle ça fermette continuer comme ça je suis abonné à votre chaîne depuis aujourd'hui
If you do a tight seamless mitre on the 45 as soon as the boards start to expand from heating up due to sunlight it will wreck the board and possibly break the screw. Just like the deck boards need some spacing so do the mitre joints.
Curious why do a lot of people use flat blocking/infill for the center board? Wouldn't you want ladder style just like a perimeter edge to allow for drainage?
Wondering why hidden fasteners can’t be used where deck boards meet your breaker board . Top screw the breaker board I get but you had a joist for the hidden clips ?
We only use it on flat blocking, the zip tape works well but we had been using the deckorators joist tape which was thicker. I liked that better but we ran out so I gotta order some more
Yeah hidfast is great for installation, I loved it and got a great deal on the system but as soon as I scratched one board and had to remove it I said NOPE not for me it’s got to be serviceable. Same reason I don’t do rain escape etc only bottom mount systems that are serviceable and the warranty is on that specialized subcontractor
Thanks for another great video. How do you cut out the small pieces at the ends of the cuts when using the track saw? Where the saw stops when it touches the house.
It's the CAMO DRIVE stand-up tool that helps you fasten CAMO EDGE Clips, EDGE screws, and Face screws all from your feet. You can learn more on our website: www.camofasteners.com/products/drive/camo-drive/
im noticing that when the guy is pushing all the deck boards tight that the kid with the screw gun extension is standing on the boards not allowing all the boards to be snug together for perfect spacing.that technique is fine if you only do small amounts of rows at a time say 3 or 4 rows not 8 rows.just an observation
We're startin to see some next level sh!t now!! Sean Shacka Lacka, Miter Man & Team are killin it!!! And... don't think I didn't notice the Bing Bang Boom!! Hoping all is well, Dirty Jersey out!!!
I neglected to factor in the parting board when I laid out joist locations on the ledger. Now I have 16 inches on center where the parting board will run. How would you fix this so the parting board has support as well as supporting the deck boards where they terminate near the parting board?
@@THEpremieroutdoor Yes I’m talking about trex. I understand flashing over the ledger board to kick the water away from the building. If I stucco down to the top of the ledger and run the trex on top of flashing piece how far away do I need to stay away from stucco 1/4”
I can't tell what your floor joist spacing is. Seems like 16 or 12... and your joists? 2x12? Why? Seems a lot of overkill. Wouldn't 2x10s or maybe 2x8s work? on 16" centers?
@@THEpremieroutdoor cortex doesn't make them for deckorators? It's been a while since I used that brand of decking, but I thought for sure the plugs we were provided were cortex.
You used clips to fasten the boards, and yet screwed the board down at the end where they meet the picture frame, would this not prevent the boards from expanding/contracting and thus defeat the purpose of using the clips?
These boards are a mineral based composite which have the lowest amount of thermal expansion and contraction of any board. The screws on the end of the board are to limit the expansion even further
So FYI for anyone that decides to go with the Veranda composite decking from Home Depot : Veranda does not offer plugs to match their boards. Was able to find grey composite screws that are close in color but no plugs. Not sure what to do with my picture frame boards and separation boards other than leaving screws visible or finding wood plugs and trying to match a grey paint. Guess these screws will be visible. Veranda is slightly cheaper than Trex and other styles. Always a catch to taking a cheaper route!Boards are pretty tho
Why are you blowing the plastic dust into their yard? Just vacuum it up. You should also remove all sub-deck organics and lay down gravel before starting.
@@jhende7 the product has nothing to do with it not being installed straight. Im not sure if you can see it or not but it looks pretty waving to me an thats just from your video an it was obvious as soon as i saw it, so I can only imagine if I laid down an looked down the rows. Bragging of speed means quality was sacrificed. Quality is number 1. Just using the hidden fasteners an slamming boards doesnt keep em straight. You got at least a 30' plus run there an your not even snapping lines? No set string line as a control line thats parallel to house an outside deck rim to measure deck boards to maintain straight lines, heck outside deckboard is already pose to be parallel yet nobody pulling tape, checking every other joist maintaining a straight line even. You can run a board down to break up the spans as you do, however the rows gotta line up on both sides of the board, lot easier to do running the boards thru to a same point, butt joint them an then cut both ends an lay your center board in. You use a track saw that I cut free hand an every carpenter ive seen or ever met, yet dont snap lines? Customers are paying hard earned money an should get quality. They deserve the best you can do. Hard to do when theres multiple employees, everyone's patience level an attention to detail is not the same.
Justin Rutledge I was replying to the guy above you. He’s been trolling the whole comment section about the products used in the video. He’s probably an old school guy that only builds cedar decks that rot out in 5 years. As for your comment I just don’t see where the decking is crooked. He’s using a wide angle lens (fisheye) which gives a bit of a warped impression but there is not anything in the video to indicate quality was sacrafised
@@jhende7 first off cedar decking doesnt rot in 5 years period, in fact cedar is one of the best products to use for decking, will it eventually rot yes, its wood, 5/4 id say say 15-25 years,( I just removed 5/4x4 cedar decking 28 years old not rotten) 2x material 25+years an i live in the pacific northwest, does that have to do with the up keep an maintenance applied during the life of wood, yes, also the stain matters. Now to say that because of maybe a fish eye camera angle is the reason why maybe my trained eyed immediately can seen how those boards are not straight is absurd an just plain talking out your butt. Your trying to tell me you didnt snap one line an installed those boards over a 30ft span straight just using the hidden fastener as a spacer gauge? Lol who do you think your talking to? I do this for a living. Thats why you snap lines. Im not some homeowner who doesnt know what there doing or talking about. Hell I can snap lines an just splitting the snap line will throw it off, 3 rows @ 1/32 is 3/32 equal thats 1/8+ bow in the run. Quit being a sells man an start using your bags an show respect to the men who gave you an education.
That’s the ugliest new deck I’ve ever seen in my life! Why would anyone pic out composite boards that like like old rotting wood…? . Wow terrible. Those miter seams better be tight! Maybe it will take the attention off the overall shabby looking deck
@@THEpremieroutdoor don’t get me wrong, your work is great!! I just think that deck could have looked better in another color. I guess that’s the homeowners fault. Maybe he had a sudden bought of diarrhea while picking it out and just said “ screw it! I’ll take that color! Where is the f ing bathroom!!??
While i am supposed to be working right now.........im watching your videos hahaha, awesome content guys - kia ora from New Zealand👍
Thanks for the video.. What clips are you using? Also would have been good to see how you finish cutting the transition piece ends. I like the track saw idea.. Just wondering how you finish the cut. Thanks!
Pat could be a stunt double for Shia LaBeouf 😅🤣. Nice video guys, very informative!
Deck installer here, beautiful deck btw. How you get all those workers? lol
More of you, more of this, more of real life top notch decks! Keep it up Sean you’re great
I really appreciate that Austin!!
How did you rip the remaining boards of the divider at the ends since saw cannot reach flush to end? This is in regards to the end of the video using the track saw?
Yes sir!
Woooo!!!
Bonjour superbe vidéo à la prochaine bonne journée
Thank you!
Beautiful job. How do you guys charged, per project or per square ft? I have a small project building a small deck 10x22 square ft. Any idea how much to charge for this project? Thanks
“Who’s my strong big boy?”
Pat: “I am!”🤣🤣🤣
Love the video. EXTREMELY HELPFUL. Please share a link or the model of the “drill extension driver” used…I can’t find one that long
For anyone else looking for same, it’s buried in the comments down below. It’s the Camo Fasteners drive tool. Available on Amazon for about $100.
I work for deckorators nice to see the product
Only the best!
Several boards before screwing in the fasteners: great timesaving idea! Thanks!
You guys do very nice work. Very impressive.
Really enjoy the craftsmanship on display here. You guys rock it! It’s fun to watch real pros.
Would be cool to see some examples of how the facia is finished out...see lots of videos of people doing composite decks but what about covering that ugly end piece?
Thanks for the awesome video. Question how do you attach the divider board ?screws and plugs?
Love the channel why do you guys use deckorators vs trex/azek/Timbertech?
Wait. What about gapping for expansion at the miters and butt joints? Won't the composite expand and buckle?
Exactly, and thought it was funny how the guy was pushing the gaps out of the section of deck while the other guy was standing on it preventing any movement 🙄
He explained that at 9:30 mark
looks good but you did not show how to finish the cut by the house and the end of the deck, what did you use to take the final little pieces out ??
We call that the money cut. Cuz if you mess that up you just lost alot of money. Im a co owner of Balabros Inc, were from cherry hill we often bid some of the same jobs. You guys are doin it 100 i love it.
Hell yeah ive messed up that cut and you only have to do it once and then you’re extra careful the rest of your life 🤣🤣 good to hear from a fellow south jersey guy!
Cool, my folks live/lived in Cherry Hill! The Gaidosh’s. ❤
Bonjour vous avez une façon de travailler ok super vous construisez des maisons uniquement en bois nous en France on construit en brique rouge et la structure bois et uniquement en toiture on appelle ça fermette continuer comme ça je suis abonné à votre chaîne depuis aujourd'hui
If you do a tight seamless mitre on the 45 as soon as the boards start to expand from heating up due to sunlight it will wreck the board and possibly break the screw. Just like the deck boards need some spacing so do the mitre joints.
Curious why do a lot of people use flat blocking/infill for the center board? Wouldn't you want ladder style just like a perimeter edge to allow for drainage?
Was wondering the same
Do you find the edge camo screw gauge too flakey and insubstantial. And that last transition board is friction fit or fastened from the top.
Wondering why hidden fasteners can’t be used where deck boards meet your breaker board . Top screw the breaker board I get but you had a joist for the hidden clips ?
Did you say OMG at the same time he did when showed the Breaker Board going in?
Well done
Thanks Marty!
Camo Edge Clips and Edge X Clips are the best
Nicely done!
You earned a subscriber
Have you tried the Dura life step clip system ?
I noticed that you used zip tape in some areas and not on the joist? Is there a reason? And how do you like working with the zip tape?
We only use it on flat blocking, the zip tape works well but we had been using the deckorators joist tape which was thicker. I liked that better but we ran out so I gotta order some more
Haven't used the camo setup yet, we primarily work with pvc so Hidfast is the go to!
That’s one of the only hidden fasteners I haven’t tried!
Yeah hidfast is great for installation, I loved it and got a great deal on the system but as soon as I scratched one board and had to remove it I said NOPE not for me it’s got to be serviceable. Same reason I don’t do rain escape etc only bottom mount systems that are serviceable and the warranty is on that specialized subcontractor
@@AjGalloway95 I don't bother with a blatter system. Its easier to do it with a product like DuraDek, just a hassle with a blatter!
Where can I get an drill extension driver like the one you're using?
Amazing
Thank you!!
Can you share the link for that bit driver extension?
Another great video!
How do you cut the last couple inches the circular saw can't reach? An oscillating / edge saw?
Yup!
I had the same question thanks!
miters in summer are tight, but what about when cooler? how much of a gap will be then?
great video but why didnt you leave a gap between the parting board & deck boards?
this decking material will not expand and contract like other brands on the market
Beautiful job as always one question what type of hidden fasteners are you using?
They are the Camo Edge Clips. Get some Edge X Clips too. You need both
Thanks for another great video. How do you cut out the small pieces at the ends of the cuts when using the track saw? Where the saw stops when it touches the house.
I'd assume with a angle grinder and cut off wheel or with a multi tool.
11:25. Not with Trex. Trex requires a gap for expansion. Maybe Deckorators is different?
looks great, as usual for these guys!
Thanks a lot Travis!
What is the extension driver you use? Can you post a link? Thanks!!
Camo decking accessories
It's the CAMO DRIVE stand-up tool that helps you fasten CAMO EDGE Clips, EDGE screws, and Face screws all from your feet. You can learn more on our website: www.camofasteners.com/products/drive/camo-drive/
im noticing that when the guy is pushing all the deck boards tight that the kid with the screw gun extension is standing on the boards not allowing all the boards to be snug together for perfect spacing.that technique is fine if you only do small amounts of rows at a time say 3 or 4 rows not 8 rows.just an observation
We're startin to see some next level sh!t now!! Sean Shacka Lacka, Miter Man & Team are killin it!!! And... don't think I didn't notice the Bing Bang Boom!! Hoping all is well, Dirty Jersey out!!!
You know it my man!!
I neglected to factor in the parting board when I laid out joist locations on the ledger. Now I have 16 inches on center where the parting board will run. How would you fix this so the parting board has support as well as supporting the deck boards where they terminate near the parting board?
If you decide to run two boards up the center you will be pretty close, you could also pack out one side of a joist
You didn't show how to cut the last 3 inches with the track saw. That is the part that has always puzzled me
You could use a multi tool to get the remainder
@@Hangovna yeah probably what they did
Yeah we use a multi tool for that, I’ll get some footage of that on the next build!
what make of deck clips are you useing ?
Is there a reason you don’t use joist tape?
It’s recommended to tape off the top of the floor joists to prevent rot.
I wonder how this deck fairs 4 years later
Great build and a joy to watch. And what's the name of the song at 12:43?
Could you please tell the brand of those clips?
Why did you cut the boards with all the same seam and not offset?
Do you want flashing over the top of the trex when you go up to stucco.
Trex?! You mean Deckorators my friend! We flash under the deck board but over the ledger board.
@@THEpremieroutdoor Yes I’m talking about trex. I understand flashing over the ledger board to kick the water away from the building. If I stucco down to the top of the ledger and run the trex on top of flashing piece how far away do I need to stay away from stucco 1/4”
How do you cut the last board up against the building when using the saw?
With a multitool
I can't tell what your floor joist spacing is. Seems like 16 or 12... and your joists? 2x12? Why? Seems a lot of overkill. Wouldn't 2x10s or maybe 2x8s work? on 16" centers?
Our span is 14 feet so we needed 2x10s but they are spaced 16” OC
I'd like to do it this way but I can't find fasteners that'll let me do it like this
Were can I get that drill driver extension? What brand and name is it called?
Camo drive system with camo edge clips
Were do u buy them
What is the name of that drill extension
Do you guys do work in Long Island?
Unfortunately we do not
Where are you from?
where is your joist tape?
Now I want a hot tub for my upcoming premiere outdoor living
Me too 🤣🤣
What brand do you use ?
Deckorators!
So do all Composite decking use clips?
please do video on it
Does the manufacturer sell the plugs?
The plugs are made by starborn
@@THEpremieroutdoor cortex doesn't make them for deckorators? It's been a while since I used that brand of decking, but I thought for sure the plugs we were provided were cortex.
You used clips to fasten the boards, and yet screwed the board down at the end where they meet the picture frame, would this not prevent the boards from expanding/contracting and thus defeat the purpose of using the clips?
The boards do not shrink in that direction - the clips are for aesthetic purposes not to restrict or allow movement.
You can’t clip them everywhere
@@yankkesrule you can, they do make starter clips. But they're garbage
These boards are a mineral based composite which have the lowest amount of thermal expansion and contraction of any board. The screws on the end of the board are to limit the expansion even further
@@jb-ut9nf The main purpose of the clips is to allow movement lengthwise.
What blade are you using in track saw? Anything special?
Just a regular 6 1/2” blade
how do you connect the but joints?
8:53 There is no way I would trust that track w/o a clamp or pressure. Not a cut you want to mess up.
I was thinking the same thing. I looked up the Makita track saw & they have clamps for the track. Full kit, over $2000
What are those clips called
Camo edge clips
or a end to end connection with the hidden fasteners
Where's the joist tape ?
So FYI for anyone that decides to go with the Veranda composite decking from Home Depot : Veranda does not offer plugs to match their boards. Was able to find grey composite screws that are close in color but no plugs. Not sure what to do with my picture frame boards and separation boards other than leaving screws visible or finding wood plugs and trying to match a grey paint. Guess these screws will be visible. Veranda is slightly cheaper than Trex and other styles. Always a catch to taking a cheaper route!Boards are pretty tho
I just got Veranda and Coretex offers plugs
You got to tell us who Justice is. He seems to like locks.
Breaker board is WAY too tight so as soon as the decking expands it's going to warp
This is decorators buddy, practically no expansion and contraction!
Can you make me a deck please🥺
Sounds good!
respectfully, you didn't remove the board tags and the boards weren't staggered at the joint or at least squared.
Why are you blowing the plastic dust into their yard? Just vacuum it up. You should also remove all sub-deck organics and lay down gravel before starting.
Talks out his you know what
Who, me??? 🥺🥺
Take a look at the 2:10 mark an pause it, see how not straight that decking is laid..
Yep this stuff is junk, shrinks bad and looks terrible after a few year
And what product do you use oh wise one
@@jhende7 the product has nothing to do with it not being installed straight. Im not sure if you can see it or not but it looks pretty waving to me an thats just from your video an it was obvious as soon as i saw it, so I can only imagine if I laid down an looked down the rows. Bragging of speed means quality was sacrificed. Quality is number 1. Just using the hidden fasteners an slamming boards doesnt keep em straight. You got at least a 30' plus run there an your not even snapping lines? No set string line as a control line thats parallel to house an outside deck rim to measure deck boards to maintain straight lines, heck outside deckboard is already pose to be parallel yet nobody pulling tape, checking every other joist maintaining a straight line even. You can run a board down to break up the spans as you do, however the rows gotta line up on both sides of the board, lot easier to do running the boards thru to a same point, butt joint them an then cut both ends an lay your center board in. You use a track saw that I cut free hand an every carpenter ive seen or ever met, yet dont snap lines? Customers are paying hard earned money an should get quality. They deserve the best you can do. Hard to do when theres multiple employees, everyone's patience level an attention to detail is not the same.
Justin Rutledge I was replying to the guy above you. He’s been trolling the whole comment section about the products used in the video. He’s probably an old school guy that only builds cedar decks that rot out in 5 years. As for your comment I just don’t see where the decking is crooked. He’s using a wide angle lens (fisheye) which gives a bit of a warped impression but there is not anything in the video to indicate quality was sacrafised
@@jhende7 first off cedar decking doesnt rot in 5 years period, in fact cedar is one of the best products to use for decking, will it eventually rot yes, its wood, 5/4 id say say 15-25 years,( I just removed 5/4x4 cedar decking 28 years old not rotten) 2x material 25+years an i live in the pacific northwest, does that have to do with the up keep an maintenance applied during the life of wood, yes, also the stain matters. Now to say that because of maybe a fish eye camera angle is the reason why maybe my trained eyed immediately can seen how those boards are not straight is absurd an just plain talking out your butt. Your trying to tell me you didnt snap one line an installed those boards over a 30ft span straight just using the hidden fastener as a spacer gauge? Lol who do you think your talking to? I do this for a living. Thats why you snap lines. Im not some homeowner who doesnt know what there doing or talking about. Hell I can snap lines an just splitting the snap line will throw it off, 3 rows @ 1/32 is 3/32 equal thats 1/8+ bow in the run. Quit being a sells man an start using your bags an show respect to the men who gave you an education.
Can diabetes be cured?
Do you install them in Ohio? Lol come build me mine! Lol
Haha not yet! Maybe one day lol
That’s the ugliest new deck I’ve ever seen in my life! Why would anyone pic out composite boards that like like old rotting wood…? . Wow terrible. Those miter seams better be tight! Maybe it will take the attention off the overall shabby looking deck
Thanks for the feedback Warren! I should have consulted you before designing. For that, I am sorry!
@@THEpremieroutdoor don’t get me wrong, your work is great!! I just think that deck could have looked better in another color. I guess that’s the homeowners fault. Maybe he had a sudden bought of diarrhea while picking it out and just said “ screw it! I’ll take that color! Where is the f ing bathroom!!??
How do you finish the cut against the house where the track saw won’t reach?