CONTENT OF THE VIDEO: 0:00 What is side chain compression? 1:17 SP-404 MK2 + side chain compression 1:45 Answering your SP-404 MK2 questions 3:49 303 vinyl sim 5:43 OG 404 compression 8:10 Side chain hack 12:07 DistroKid // Artists for Change 12:56 Overview // Thank you
This is ancient but just in case anyone reads this theres actually a way to shut off bus 3+4 without menu diving, so they can actually be used as performance effects (at least turning on and off, tweaking parameters still requires that diving). Press the enter knob and bus fx to toggle it on and off, pretty handy.
Such a rad video! Very informative also great sounds- loving the music. What was that synth sample on that house beat? Lovin all the instrument choices
Thx for the video. Would be cool if both the 404mk2 and Mv-1 got native side-chain compression in the next firmware 😉 Especially the last method with the envelope does sound like real side-chaining though. Thx for the tips.
i dont know if that works exaclty bcause i dont own a 404 but.. couldnt you use a longer sample, then chop it into parts everytime the kick hits, then give each part an envelope and then resample it again?
Yo man what about setting the melody samples and the kick only to bus 2 with the 303 comp and the rest on bus 1 and in the master u have the normal compressor not to heavy for a glue compressor kinda effect? could work? btw yeah cremacaffè guys are amazing they sent me some skins and gadgets too :) really cool stuff!
Is it possible to bounce single stems with the master effects applied? My plan is sth like this: I record my samples through the sp 303 into my mpc live where I do most of the work. Then I want to record and apply effects on the stems on the 404 mk2 and then finalize it in my DAW for streaming etc I guess the best way would be a multitrack mixer like presonus studiolive or a tascam model but I‘m running out of Money 😁
I've had mine for a week and a half now and its amazing. But one thing i can't figure out: where is the input/output monitoring? i can't figure out when its clipping. The fx limiter on the OG was also key in giving that 'fly-lo' ducking sound for a lack of a better name for it. In the OG 404 you could choose to have your fx 'limited', so if you'd go overboard it would add another way of compressing. The OG vinyl sim is similar to the 303 with the compression, and i always had a nice sound combining this and just cranking up the kick. But with the 'red LED' gone, its a mystery how my music isnt clipping like crazy yet. Does the Mk2 have a sniper Limiter on the master or something?
@@LiamKillen yeah but I mean there seems to be no metering similar to the red LED which would light up when the signals too hot… but I haven’t got it to clip really so it almost feels like there is a limiter on the final signal, might have to test this, just thought it was odd there’s not even an input signal meter.
@@bagoftrix the input monitor is the EXT SOURCE button which changes to red if it is clipping. There is also a limiter and clipper on the master output
Can you do a video connecting a turntable to the SP404MK2 please to see what your doing ? I trying to connect my PT01 turntable output to the Input of the SP404MK2 & press (EXT Source) I don’t get sound ! Please Help
I asked a different UA-camr, it’s not like the mpc style layers but you can “pad link” a bunch of pads to all hit once you hit one of the pads which kind of acts like a layering from an MPC.
I feel like side chain is more of a meme these days, with tons of people kind of doing the opposite of what compression is for, which for smoothing out dynamics. Instead, it's used used often to completely remove dynamics and draw attention to itself when it was always made for being 'invisible'. IDK, I'm an old fart. I like my songs to have it's quiet parts actually get quiet so that the loud parts actually contrast and get louder, not just 'different with more shit going on'. :P That said, nice tips. Even if people use them in ways I find disatisfactory and annoying, there will be folks that use it for the common good of nice dynamics in music!
@@EARART The rules are only good when broken if breaker understands why the rule is there and why it's a good idea to break it. it's one of those things where you learn the right way to do it as a foundation first so you have a knowledge of how to break them properly and with purpose rather than just fumblefucking around with no idea in the first place. I get the impression a lot of side chain abusers have no idea what side chain or compression really did in the first place, they're taught the 'wrong' way first with no reason as to why it became a thing in the first place. Anyway...always learn everything and the 'proper' and traditional ways...it makes it easier to break rules in more effective ways!
I agree with you there- that being said this heavy pumping technique is so common now that it's kind of a rule within itself- especially in the lofi music scene.
CONTENT OF THE VIDEO:
0:00 What is side chain compression?
1:17 SP-404 MK2 + side chain compression
1:45 Answering your SP-404 MK2 questions
3:49 303 vinyl sim
5:43 OG 404 compression
8:10 Side chain hack
12:07 DistroKid // Artists for Change
12:56 Overview // Thank you
This is ancient but just in case anyone reads this theres actually a way to shut off bus 3+4 without menu diving, so they can actually be used as performance effects (at least turning on and off, tweaking parameters still requires that diving). Press the enter knob and bus fx to toggle it on and off, pretty handy.
Oh really! Interesting tool- thank you!
@@LiamKillen No problem! Being an obsessive manual reader pays off for me sometimes 😂 Thanks for the video!
blew my mind, helkps so much for what i do
the color coming off the skin makes it look like something from Borderlands which is actually sick
I got the Borderlands aesthetic on lock.
Excellent tutorial my friend! Love the details that you went through, and I'm most definitely trying this hack today 🙏🏾✊🏾💚
Glad it was helpful!
Always so comprehensive ... great content .. tips .. easy flow... thanks again for the walk through .. cheers !
Always a pleasure!
Seeing the op 1 on the side
Would love to see some more videos on that
👍
Nice video, deciding between this or MPC one
I have so much OP-1 content! Here's a playlist: bit.ly/2WLQGFa
I also have an MPC One/SP-404 MK2 comparison, here it is:
ua-cam.com/video/w7N_EX37qds/v-deo.html
lol you've come to the right place my friend.
Nice Tipps and great finger drumming skills. Merry Christmas!
Happy holidays! And all the best to you in the new year.
Such a rad video! Very informative also great sounds- loving the music. What was that synth sample on that house beat? Lovin all the instrument choices
Thanks! Honestly not certain where the sample’s from anymore 😅
I used to do this on the MPC 2000 and it works fine as long as the kick is dropping at the same time as each chop but it’s never a true side chain
Exactly.
Thank you, I came for the sidechain technique but the way to get rid of the click at the beginning of a sample help me too ! precious advices :)
Glad it’s helping! 🍻
dope content my man! info. really helped, i have one question... which are those headphones ? beside looking cool i bet they sound amazing!
They look cool for sure and they sound...pretty good- not quite studio quality.
Thx for the video. Would be cool if both the 404mk2 and Mv-1 got native side-chain compression in the next firmware 😉
Especially the last method with the envelope does sound like real side-chaining though. Thx for the tips.
It's my pleasure! Yeah this is the closest we've got thus far.
Amazing Tips but ...Come on Roland give us this Sidechain FX already!
Right !?
Thank you..Merry Christmas!.....................
Happy Holidays!
Nice options and hacks Liam! But What about line input? I miss the possibility to sidechain incoming audio :(
yeah unfortunately it's not possible... yet!
@@LiamKillen If Novation could do it with Circuit, surely Roland can add a new sidechain effect for the input line :)
Thanks for the tip.
No problem!
gee i hope i can actually buy one within the next 7 years
soon my friend...soon
@@LiamKillen and I ordered on like two months ago. They said march. Actually times going by fast
ebay is the answer sir
@@derrenkonnor4351 not for 2 grand no warranty
i dont know if that works exaclty bcause i dont own a 404 but..
couldnt you use a longer sample, then chop it into parts everytime the kick hits, then give each part an envelope and then resample it again?
That could be an option as well for sure
Yo man what about setting the melody samples and the kick only to bus 2 with the 303 comp and the rest on bus 1 and in the master u have the normal compressor not to heavy for a glue compressor kinda effect? could work? btw yeah cremacaffè guys are amazing they sent me some skins and gadgets too :) really cool stuff!
Yeah that would be a solid idea as well! Thanks for including!
I've been in contact with Crema as well! They seem very down to earth.
Is it possible to bounce single stems with the master effects applied?
My plan is sth like this: I record my samples through the sp 303 into my mpc live where I do most of the work. Then I want to record and apply effects on the stems on the 404 mk2 and then finalize it in my DAW for streaming etc
I guess the best way would be a multitrack mixer like presonus studiolive or a tascam model but I‘m running out of Money 😁
I haven’t explored exporting options yet with the MK2 actually
Babe, wake up, Liam Killen posted a new video!
lololololll
I might be too late but if I resample a drum hit to with 404/303 compression would it still sidechain
Not really
Using attack on the sample is a good technique as the compressor doesn't have to work as hard
Yeah either with the OG 404 compression or with the ADSR envelope! :-)
I've had mine for a week and a half now and its amazing. But one thing i can't figure out: where is the input/output monitoring? i can't figure out when its clipping. The fx limiter on the OG was also key in giving that 'fly-lo' ducking sound for a lack of a better name for it. In the OG 404 you could choose to have your fx 'limited', so if you'd go overboard it would add another way of compressing.
The OG vinyl sim is similar to the 303 with the compression, and i always had a nice sound combining this and just cranking up the kick.
But with the 'red LED' gone, its a mystery how my music isnt clipping like crazy yet. Does the Mk2 have a sniper Limiter on the master or something?
You can lower the lvl of individual pads now which helps with this a lot
@@LiamKillen yeah but I mean there seems to be no metering similar to the red LED which would light up when the signals too hot… but I haven’t got it to clip really so it almost feels like there is a limiter on the final signal, might have to test this, just thought it was odd there’s not even an input signal meter.
@@bagoftrix the input monitor is the EXT SOURCE button which changes to red if it is clipping. There is also a limiter and clipper on the master output
Can you do a video connecting a turntable to the SP404MK2 please to see what your doing ? I trying to connect my PT01 turntable output to the Input of the SP404MK2 & press (EXT Source) I don’t get sound ! Please Help
I don't have any turntable chops unfortunately :-(
@@LiamKillen Do you know what I should do
What output from the turntable are you using? Try the headphone out if you haven’t
Would the first two methods work with an external audio in?
I dont think so … BUT my discord might be able to give you more information: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
@@LiamKillen damn replying on a new comment on a 2+yo vid. You deserve a sub at the least. Been watching a lot of your content lately. Cheers
can you layer more than 1 sound onto a pad?
I asked a different UA-camr, it’s not like the mpc style layers but you can “pad link” a bunch of pads to all hit once you hit one of the pads which kind of acts like a layering from an MPC.
Not to my knowledge!
Yeah this is the work around I was going to mention- thanks for covering it!
do these methods work on external input?
I don't believe so.
it's called ASR
hell yeah it is.
I feel like side chain is more of a meme these days, with tons of people kind of doing the opposite of what compression is for, which for smoothing out dynamics. Instead, it's used used often to completely remove dynamics and draw attention to itself when it was always made for being 'invisible'.
IDK, I'm an old fart. I like my songs to have it's quiet parts actually get quiet so that the loud parts actually contrast and get louder, not just 'different with more shit going on'. :P
That said, nice tips. Even if people use them in ways I find disatisfactory and annoying, there will be folks that use it for the common good of nice dynamics in music!
Rule are there to be broken I think it's genius
@@EARART The rules are only good when broken if breaker understands why the rule is there and why it's a good idea to break it. it's one of those things where you learn the right way to do it as a foundation first so you have a knowledge of how to break them properly and with purpose rather than just fumblefucking around with no idea in the first place. I get the impression a lot of side chain abusers have no idea what side chain or compression really did in the first place, they're taught the 'wrong' way first with no reason as to why it became a thing in the first place.
Anyway...always learn everything and the 'proper' and traditional ways...it makes it easier to break rules in more effective ways!
People love that super pumping ducking with the kick and this is the closest to the authentic thing with the MK2 we have!
amen
I agree with you there- that being said this heavy pumping technique is so common now that it's kind of a rule within itself- especially in the lofi music scene.
sp is sounding better than the mp in this comparison imo
These days after all the recent updates I actually tend to agree.