Honda Goldwing Killer? | GWM Souo S2000 GL Has Arrived
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- Chinese GWM have just released their first ever motorcycle and it is a heavyweight tourer to target the Honda Goldwing. It looks pretty awesome but will anyone in the West buy it?
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I can do without that ‘Harbor Freight’ version of a Goldwing. 😂
I OWN a Goldwing...an old one... WITH a few miles.
And I'm not stupid enough to be so dismissive of this bike.
Open your eyes mate. Times are changing. Also remember that at one time people considered goldwings the harbor freight editions of American bikes.
You are insulting Harbor Freight. The name of the company (wouuuuhuhuu) s the sound you will make when your balls are toast by the exploding engine between your legs.
RevelatorAlf is wasting everyone's time
Not really! I remember when the 1975 GL1000 was introduced.
Honda had a big market share with many models of different sizes in the US.
The honda street bike sales brochure had all the models pictured from top to bottom with the new flagship goldwing at the bottom. Your very wrong in that the bike was very well received!
It was its own bike and no threat to anything else.
Even had a funky emergency sideways kick start arm.
Some say the same B.S. about the Japanese cars as well;
Truth is the Japanese cars actually Were garbage before they were refined later and took off when gas prices climbed. @user-yr1gl3vy7p
Japanese bikes were once called Jap Crap.
Look like a star venture with a goldwing engine!
Ditto! That Venture was a well styled & engineered Luxo Tourer but only lasted a scant 4 years! Hard to envision this laviathan having any success in this market.
@nelsonphilip4520 I test drove tjat yamaha, and even when the engine was good, it was super heavy. The pegs touch the road at the slightest inclination, and the turbulence in my helmet was horrible.
You’re not wrong…
@@nelsonphilip4520venture/eluder issue was the heat from the engine. Other than that it was a killer bike.
The Goldwings already have a proven track record. This new bike has nothing yet. I wouldn’t want to be one of the first ones to own it.
For American riders that want a full dress tourer and want a Gold Wing type bike, they are going to buy a Gold Wing. Why? A history of innovation and quality build. There is also a dealer network for maintenance. This new Chinese bike has none of that.
There was once a Cadre of aspiring Electraglide owners who bought Goldwings. Primarily because they were cheaper. History didn't even remotely figure into the equation back then because large bore Japanese bikes were a new idea. One thing is for certain. History has a way of repeating itself.
If and when I decide that I need a Chinese tank in the garage, I'll look for a military surplus auction...🤣
😂😂😂
Yes man, spot on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yamaha Star venture and Honda Goldwing had a baby
But the baby is a commie brat that copies the homework of everyone in class ! :))
And a BIG one at that! 😆
I am a Harley guy, but it’s common knowledge that the Goldwing is the gold standard of touring bikes. This bike has an uphill battle trying to get anyone who rides a “wing” to even consider it. But I have to admit that I am curious about what this bike sounds like, as a “flat eight” is a pretty uncommon engine configuration.
It’s a well known fact that the Chinese use smaller horses when configuring their BHP figures 🤔🇬🇧
It looks like a Goldwing K1600 Venture! (Honda, BMW, Yamaha)
Yeah, we need a network to address the "recalls!!" 😅
Looks good, will be interesting to see the ride reviews on the bike 🤔
At 4:34, did I hear 400 to 450 horsepower ?? Incredible (literally). Incroyable ! Maybe chinese horses ....... other source estimates 130 hp, looks more like what it will be. Bike looks good, by the way.
450 hp out of a 2.0 litre would be rather interesting,🤔
Yeah, if it’s to be comparable to other bikes in this category, that means 125-165
I stopped watching at that point...
😂😂😂
Yes.... Chinese horses I hear are smaller....
Friggin ice cream van/motorcycle, the radio only plays green sleeves. 🤣😂😆😜❤️
Very Beautiful, Impressive, Imponent, Powerful, and Spectacular Monster!!!, I'm loving it ❤🥇!!!, Thanks for sharing 👊✌️👍!!!
Dunno mate. In my experience, Chinese bikes and cars get old pretty fast compared to …. almost anything else. That said, that might’ve changed since I was living in a place with a lot of them; but I’d still wait for someone else to buy it 1st and see after a few years.
@@elrumcajs777 really？
Great video. How come you have a picture of the leaders of the Canadian government on the wall behind you?
Target practice??
😂😂😂 so true!
They’re not leaders.
I guess it's because of Jackass Trudeau's affiliation with China.
You need that wanker X Ping Pong on the wall 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man I can tell you this: this engine will be right at home inside the engine bay of my Renault Kwid
450 hp? WTF?
Interesting. Thank you.
Thanks for your video
Some people pay a premium for Harley, just because it’s Harley and some people just don’t get that and will happily ride other ‘lesser’ cruisers. Goldwing doesn’t have much competition so I’d expect there will be plenty who would give this bike a go if the price is competitive.
Personally I think it looks gorgeous, like a wing on steroids. But.. Honda is so reliable that there are plenty of their tourers around for cheap. I’ll be sticking to my ‘86 GL1200
Does it come with an automatic fire suppression system? Chinese vehicles usually come with an external combustion engine
The bike looks like the Star Venture body with a gold wing engine.
Hello, thanks a lot for info about this superb bike! Do you have any piece of information about that bike's weight?
Ride safe.
Is it actually sold in China, or export only.
how much does it weight?
Good luck getting that beast on the center stand.
It’s supposed to be automatic center stand
Very interesting. I don't know how they will fight Honda's reliability. It will take a lot of sweat to bring GW owner across the yard. This company will have to cover this bike bumper to bumper pretty well to sell them well. I would love to test one. As an owner of 2020 DCT Tour, since new, I am holding till they come to the USA, if they will.
I purchased my first GWM Pick Up over 10 years ago, I'm on my third vehicle bought brand new at this point from the brand.
Unfortunately as some would say the Chinese value for money is unbeatable, we've had to learn that lesson in South Africa it's the reality, as for motorcycles I'm sure they'll commit to the same principles and eventually begin selling them like hot cakes, just as their motor vehicles have in the past it's only a matter of time.
I own a Honda VFR800 6th Gen, my dream bike but if opportunity allowed I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.
Very interesting!
Gimme a cruiser style with that 8cylinder and control over the clutch and a manual shifter I'm sold
As a first gen gl1800 owner, I could be tempted, considering the 30 K plus price of the current GEN Goldwing. Blue Betty is setting at 250,000 miles, and I’ve been thinking about picking up a current GEN but holy shit the price.
On my 3rd Goldwing now. They are not perfect by any means. If anyone buys an imitation then 'good luck'.
I'd have a Souo in my garage in a heartbeat. I won't touch a goldwing but the S2000 rocks.
I’m sorry but no Chinese bike will ever get me to buy and especially one against a Honda and even more so the Goldwing which is legendary and the finest tourer ever made
I like the look of that more than the Goldwing, not a lot more, but it's lines are a bit cleaner, and the handlebars look awesome. The Goldwing is my target ultimate bike and I currently ride a Chinese bike, but I don't know this particular company. The bike looks fine, it would be whether or not there are actual dealers to support it as well as aftermarket parts and accessories support. We will have to see by the time I am ready by that level of bike.
GWM = Great Wall Motors. They've been making cars for years, and so the engine technology is not an issue
Everyone saying goldwing, but I guess everyone forgot about the Yamaha Star Venture/Eluder bikes.
This bike straight up is pulling from those. That front fairing and ram air intakes look just like the Eluder bagger. Infact that's what I thought this was at first.
Thanks for the Video, did you mean 150HP not 450HP? cheers
If its like everything else it will burst into flames 🔥
I like to know some of the specifications on it. Such as seat height and infotainment
Kind of hoping it does come to the US market. I'd be curious to see real-world user reviews on it.
Nice but you can't beat a goldwing love the goldwings from 2012 to 2017 and 2001 to 2010 can't beat them thanks john
I couldn’t tell when you’re serious or not. What bike has 400 horsepower in this class? That’s an insane number!
It’s also cobblers
I'll be looking for a used one in a few years when my 1500 Goldwing has closer to a quarter million miles.
Now, to be frank, I won't get RID of my Goldwing (it'll only have a quarter million miles, duh) but I'd like to think that this chi-com rig will do pretty well and I'm DYIN' to ride a flat eight!
If they would make a motorcycle version of that, like Valkyrie was to Goldwing, that could get my attention.
I've owned the Valkyrie (selling it is STILL one of my biggest regrets) and the 1500 Goldwing, so I'll give a big ol' AMEN to THAT!
🤔, Flat 8, cruiser styling, two liters, 8 into 8 exhaust, 8 velocity stacks, 240 rear tire?... mmmmm!
It'd be like having a gal with HHH mams; sure, I don't NEED that, but I'd STILL ride it like there's no tomorrow.
China was given the machine and forging industry of the US & MOST of the West. They make parts for all brands, so it will be a good thing to see complete ventures. I remember all the negativity for the products that came out of Japan in the 60s-70s and we can see how wrong that ended. CFMOTO is is behind KTM and we see how well they are already doing in MOTOGP. Time will tell and pricing will be a good point as time goes on. will I sell my Kawasaki and my Harley any time soon for a China built motorcycle, NO, but I would add a 3rd bike to check one out.
China is NOT Japan.
There are 1000 cultural differences, not the least of which is their approach to manufacturing and business in general.
@@SJ-oxy OF Course they or different cultures... just saying the future will tell and like the way folks used to claim Japanese bikes were no good (I know because my 2nd bike was a 1974 750k in 1974) & I was given many INSULTS, but the future begged different... and so will China's products. that was all I was commenting, sorry to have offended you if you are Japanese.
Thanks for a rational comment. Here in the US I'm closing in on 18k miles on my 2022 first model year worldwide CFMOTO 700 CL-X. It has/had a bug in the gear indicator sensors but they issued a complete redesign fix that will be installed next week. My local dealer , who just opened his 2nd dealership in a 20 mile radius, has been great to work with and so far they have replaced sensors, ECU, Wiring Harness, Throttle Assembly trying to sort it out. The Chinese crap story is indeed coming to an end as the larger companies are using quality components from JJuan/Brembo, KYB, Bosch, Continental, Pirelli, and it comes with cruise control, full LEDs, slipper clutch, 6 speed, dual ABS, self cancelling turn signals, and inverted forks with bug guards for less than $7000. In January, CFMOTO announced their new 51%-49% majority partnership with Yamaha to make and sell bikes in China. And, I know of at least three Harley Davidson dealers in New York and Connecticut that are selling CFMOTO motorcycles under the same roof!! In related news Tesla recalls another 150,000 vehicles.......... keep those odometers spinning!!!!
I like it
450 hp from 2 litres (120 cid)?
Looks like a Star Venture in the front, Goldwing in the rear. When I’m shopping for a new bike, or even a new car for that matter, resale value doesn’t even register on my list of needs and wants… these things are toys, not investments. Anyways, if it makes it’s way here, I’d give it a chance
I own an older Goldwing and this S 2000 is a nice looking bike ... or at least someone has taken nice looking photos. Before this company becomes a player in the American market, they will have to prove successful in other markets. I am old enough to remember when Toyotas were disposable cars and today they are an automotive leader. Is there room for another touring motorcycle? Of course there is and maybe this will be it. We'll just have to wait and see.
Im seeing what looks like a fuel cap on the fuel tank...that means all that fuel weight up high...instead of under the seat and low like with the Gold Wing.
Is this thing out or is it just rumors? Is this a sneak peek at the 50th anniversary Goldwing?
Did you say 400 to 450 bhp?
I have 2 2013 Goldwing F6B's I've customized with everything imaginable for both. One is blacked out and one is a red custom. About everything I order daily for my business or personal use from Amazon is made in China. So, why not get one of these if they're reasonably priced and haul ass. Look wise they're sweet!
Can't wait to see one at a park and ask the rider what the hell they where thinking 🤔 resale value will be interesting
P.T. Barnum said it best about suckers and minutes.
I would be in line to buy this. This bike looks amazing. It looks like the offspring of a Goldwing and a Star Venture.
😅
The American and European markets are tough and hard to win over to my understanding! Therefore, the Chinese will have to absolutely “nail it” with this new product in every faze, which includes quality, reliability, performance, price, comfort and accessibility of service in the fore mentioned markets in order to achieve greatness! That takes years to accomplish. I can see that happening solely in the Asian markets in my opinion. 👍
I ride a Cfmotor gt400. Tech wise is good. Quality wise, still have some years lacking behind the tested brands. Support wise poor even from dealer. Off market parts essentially none. Price wise cheaper then tested Brand but you get headaches from problems. There one person from the chat group had brought a brand new bike for 6 months but had 2 months in the workshop. Problems range from stator coil, auxiliary relay, over heating , co2 sensor, Low rpm chocking. These are problems for a brand imported for 3 years into the country. Future wise, better get a bike brand that is around for more then 10 years to prevent heartaches.
Interesting engine
The goldwing already proved itself,this bike is fare to be the goldwing killer,
You have to remember used price is a percentage of New Sale Price. If the Used price is still 40% of New after 6 years, and the Real Goldwing is 50% of new after 6 years, but the GWM is significantly cheaper to start, you're still $$ ahead with the GWM. And GWM cars have market penetration here in Australia. There's an average of over ten GWM Dealerships in every State in Australia, and their Brands include GWM, Haval, Wey and Ora. The Haval is releasing a hybrid to rival the hybrid Rav4 soon. And currently the Haval in better spec is at least 10% cheaper than the Rav4 with more equipment levels, and its stylishness is great. And GWM offer a 7 year unlimited km warranty across the range. I'm not in the market for a Goldwing, but don't kid yourself. If you're planning on only keeping it for the 7 year warranty period, you will be saving thousands. And, apart from boomers, the economy sucks for all of us now. Those Dollars in lieu of a badge are valuable now.
It does seem weird they've gone for the Goldwing now. If the Chinese bring out a 500 odd cc lightweight Adventure bike like the CF Moto 450MT, they'll own that market. And it's a lot bigger market than the Goldwing market.
I guess it's something like the Vulcan Vaquero as well. But it's one of those things if you have th money for it, you probably also have the money for a used goldwing or HD too. There would have to be something more to make you want to get into something with no history like this.
Is there much demand for large long distance touring motorcycles in China? I mean, there are over a billion people in China, and probably several hundred million who might have the income for a luxury toy like this. But as far as I know the big market for the Goldwing has always been in North America. Well, relatively big, it's not like Honda or BMW sells a ton of bikes in this class.
I buy a motorcycle to wear it out and not for it to keep it's value, would like to see it put through it's paces.
I don't want it but someone will. It looks good.
Lots of things in China look good. They usually fall apart after a few years.
If the Yamaha Venture and the Goldwind had a baby, it would be this.
One of the websites said it will make 400hp. As a liter sports bike makes 200hp. Took me a good 5 minutes to stop laughing. My kids thought I was having a breakdown.
Imagine this revving to 13,000 to make those kind of horse power figures .
I'm a goldwing rider would like to test ride anyhow
All depends on the price . If it's halfe or less than a wing it'll sell . Especially when it's s hand .
If it rides, and handles like the gold wing 1800 gl I had for 11 years, it will sell well...
Will it ride and handle like the Goldwing for 11 years? I doubt it. Goldwings have proven their worth.
Who in their right mind would take a punt on that ?
It seems like there are plenty of punters in the comment section. Just because it looks like a Honda does not make it one. Great wall do not have the best reputation with their 4x4 trucks.
"take a punt"?
I don't know about that but I'll be eager to try one.
@@user-bu2en3cl6s : Try one or buy one? If you buy one you are taking a helluva gamble. Will it go 100,000? Can you get parts? What is the dealer network like? Too many unanswered questions when the average Goldwing will go for 500,000 miles with no effort.
You don't have any idea of what the price, performance, or construction quality will be. You cannot possibly make an informed decision based on a picture. What if it only cost half or two thirds the price of a Honda? It may well be carried on Honda or Kawasaki showroom floors as those two companies are huge investors in Chineese manufacturing. That is why most Chinese motorcycles run copies of Kawasaki or Honda engine designs. The world isn't a stagnant marketplace. Even the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers cannot afford Japanese labor costs. Can you remember when Made in Japan= junk. I can. I can remember when the only "quality items coming out of Japan were cameras and transistor radios. Now, the big four make some of their motorcycles in Thailand and India. Never say never. Never is a long, long time. And there may come a time when the bulk of Japanese motorcycles aren't made in Japan.
@@Phuc_Socialist_You_TubeYou don’t need any stats to see this is no competitor to the Goldwing. Doesn’t matter where it’s built. It looks cheaply done and it’s nowhere close to as good looking as the Honda.
400 to 450, horsepower, that seems excessive, but let's see what happens with this bike. I'll be keeping my eye on it.
Kinda surprised, and disappointed, it isn’t a hybrid like Kawasaki’s Ninja 7 introduced October 6, 2023. Personally, the hybrid has no appeal to me in a smaller bike but in a behemoth touring bike it makes a lot of sense. Aside from a hybrid distinguishing itself in the marketplace, wouldn’t it check a lot of boxes for consumers looking for better fuel economy and performance?
We’d all be better off buying less chicom stuff.
GL = Gold Wing Like LOL another good vid Glad to see you keeping it going.
Surely the direct competitor for this is Triumph's massive Rocket 3?
I've been wishing that Triumph would fashion a luxo-tourer on the Rocket 3 gen-2 platform.
I wouldn't mind being the first to own one...as long as I don't hafta lay out my own bread for it!! Might be fun - I know it sounds amazing.
Would have to be extremely inexpensive to take a chance on this bike.
They could have been a little more coy about stealing from Honda. Not only did they pretty much copy the bike, but then they give it Honda identification. S2000(one of Hondas best performance cars) and 2000gl(Honda Gold Wing is also known as a GL1800).
They say Don't buy a bike you can't lift up by yourself ,but lots of people still do .This may suit larger riders ,let's see what the road testers say .
I would be very interested if GWM builds and sells a Honda-quality lawnmower for a Royal-Enfield price...
I, too, would be interested in buying one of these. I don't like the newer Goldwings, I feel they have lost their look. And this to me has the look. As regards anything else about it, we will have to wait and see. But I would give it a punt
Saw 2024 GW in dealer floor and looked stunning oozing with quality...
What the hell is all this "punt" talk?!
Nobody is going to punt anything.
We're talking about motorcycles here.
@user-bu2en3cl6s Maybe a "Punt" means something different where you are? It simply means a gamble. Therefore, I would take a gamble that the bike is good and purchase one when they come to the UK market. With Honda, it's less of a gamble because established brand, although their Goldwings have lost their look in my opinion, hence I am looking for an alternative to a Goldwing for my comfortable cruiser.
You may be surprised to learn how many Chinese parts are actually on your motorcycles and you don't know it. It will be interesting to see the test rides reviews. If they go all in with, dealer support and a financing arm, floor plan support , factory training, robust spare parts and warranty program, custom parts catalog and sold them at a very reasonable price. They could establish themselves here in the US.
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerkaYou (or your dad) said the same about the Japanese bikes, I suppose?
There will be some low intelligence cheapskates here in the US that will buy this bike. However, Indian/Polaris makes great bikes and even they have a tough time competing with H-D and Honda. I wouldn’t take this cheap abomination for free.
just because a company can make a brick, does not mean they know how to build a house.
@@SJ-oxy ignoring facts doesn't help you to avoid the consequences 🤷
They're not producing "bricks", but building whole houses, ship them to the ignorant sheoples which buy them for "made 🇩🇪 for 🇩🇪 prices" 😁
If this company is serious about their bike a long distance trip could and should be the answer. A trip from Sydney to Perth or East Coast to West coast in the US. I’d be interested in seeing all the specs of the bike as well. It might be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I hope those 32 valves all have self adjusting tappets...
Ya…I don’t think Honda is probably too nervous. I mean the Chinese are so well known for their build quality😂….this bike will be history in the very near future, at least outside of china.
Honda I am sure won't be complacent like the british manufacturers were of the Honda CB750.
This is what the Yamaha venture should have been.
Before I ent8into motorcycle worlds..
I brought my 1st sport cruiser small bike from Chinese technology engine
A carbon copy of honda-Cs1 originally from Indonesia..
So what should I say..
In terms of power/speed are powerful than the the original..with a little bit advance of electrical aspect..
But in terms of durability was not enough to sustain in long-term..
Need some extra rider ability to take on technical matter..
In just because this is my 1st bike I have much time for having a good & bad experience in its great..
This could be my project bike in still keep on running..
Since 2010 until 2024 it was my priceless motorcycles..
Until I having another 2 kind of motorcycles
Yeah … seems to be a pretty exact copy of that Yamaha/Star, which name I don’t remember. Not sure if it’s got the same engine.
But in any case, Chinese bikes and cars are nothing new at all in the country I grew up in and I don’t have a good experience with them. I know things change, but I’d wait for someone else to buy it first and put a lot of miles on it; and then let’s see.
Looks like a wing, I'll keep my wing. Value is everything
Reliability is the most important. Great wall do not have the best track record in that department.
The after market sales will be the biggest worry for me. If they only make them for a few years, you are stuck with a really heavy boat anchor. Goldwing made millions and have 50 years of practice and millions of data values for parts failing from dealerships which they improve over time. Virtually nothing form this Chinese new comer. The Chinese bike has likely better performance with a 4 valve head and slightly larger capacity, but moves more into the achilles heel of the Goldwing. And that is it's weight. It would be interesting how that is managed.
gwm = great wall motor
450 hp?
Love the screen, but I'll stick with the goldwing
Smart choice. I would buy a 10 year old goldwing over a new one of these, even if they were the same price.
GWM Have released the Tank 300 and 500 4x4 that are super specced and ripping into the big manufacturers and have been widely positively recieved.
If theyve turned their attention to bikes then the big boys need to be scared.
Send us a demo so we can rip the shit out of it😂
400 - 450 HP ? No way ! I wouldn't bite ,the Chinese manufacturing process being as it is parts interchangeably would be non existent in same model year . Good luck to anyone rolling the dice on this !
What's the deal you have a mic TURN IT UPPPPP!
Looks beautiful and the design looks original
but 8 cylinders isn't that too much i mean your not travelling 1000 kilometres in one day it's not something most of humans do if that even was possible oh i saw bike named benda LCF 700 looks beautiful too and more likely to see somewhere else beside asia
118 letters is roughly 31 gallons of storage that's bigger than GoldWing