More content from this channel is the best way to start the day. I put Chinese tires on my 19-inch wheels - something that many people might not like. They cost me about $400 for the four of them. In my previous car I only used Chinese tires and had good luck with them. I got about 50k miles on a set. But in my previous car they were 15 inches. In the meantime I have driven the 19 about 6200 miles and I am satisfied with the noise level, fuel consumption and grip. Not perfect but considering the price it's great. I wonder how long they will last
That’s quite a compliment. 😄Thank you! If you get 18,000 miles out of them you’re about even with regular 19” tires. Anything more than that looks like a pretty good deal to me.
In Ontario Canada if you don’t put on true Winter Tires between Nov 20 and April 15 you pay higher car insurance so most of us have a winter set of wheels. As a comparison my 20 inch winter wheels for my BMW X5 M cost $7,000. My summer wheels are 21 inches and one rear tire cost about $1,000 since they are 325mm wide Michelin Pilot Sport high performance tires speed rated at 180mph.
I drove 70,000km on my 17 inch Kumho Solus all season tyres and when I sold my car, it had half the threads left. On the other hand, my 18 inch tyres went away around 50,000km.
That is very true. My tires never last past the warranty. I’m usually about 70,000 miles on a 75,000 mile tire. I accelerate fast, slow down fast, take corners fast. So I know I burn through tires faster than a lot of people.
I have a 2016 M6 touring and the only thing I hate about the car is the 19” wheels. I have done a similar analysis and wish I downgraded to the 17” wheels sooner. I however hate the way the 19”s look 😅. Great video!
Yup. There’s a big difference. Sometimes that extra $300 or so that it costs to buy the 19” tires vs the 17” tires just kills your bank account balance. It’s painful.
Big O doesn’t make a tire for my 19s so we did Nittos and Sumitomos. So I didn’t have an exact comparison. It’s 640 on the 19 Sumitomos. 540 on the 17 Sumitomos. That’s according to Sumitomo’s website. 580 on my Big O Legacy AS Plus 17s.
@@TheEpling Interesting. I am just trying to make sense of your real-life results and the manufacturer's metrics. I am based in EU and even though the "federal" government here does not require treadwear rating, on virtually all the tires I have ever seen or bought, there is always the treadwear-traction-temperature UTQG rating and also some DOT field and other remarks. So I assume most of the tires are really produced for the international market and these ratings should mean the same regardless of country or continent. Its just that I am not aware I ever noticed a treadwear rating higher than 500, even a number over 400 seems pretty high to me. But after checking the web quickly I see there is this category of high longevity tires with treadwear rating even over 800! My guess is this is sort of "US special" class of tires, since americans drive twice as much as anybody else, you guys really do need tires that can last. What surprises me is that these high-mileage tires often have warranties of over 80k miles. Such a longevity is unheard of for me personally. From my subjective point of view, i would consider 60k kilometers (40k miles) a good result, but i see you live in a different realm. After some thought, I guess high-mileage tires do not really make that much sense in europe. I believe the average distance driven in a year is some 10k miles and most of europe swap between summer and winter sets. In my experience, dry rotting tires with still quite a lot of tread depth are much more common than simply worn out bald tires.
That is an interesting perspective. We definitely drive a lot here. I bought my 2016 Mazda6 in 2017 and it already had 45,000 miles on it. Not everybody drives that much but a lot do. If you’re visiting family 2 states away you could easily put 3,000 miles on your car round trip in just a few days. Perhaps there just isn’t a market in Europe for high mileage tires. If people won’t buy them often enough why bother selling them? We buy them all the time here. We do have a lot of wide open country with long distances between cities so we need our tires to last. I hadn’t thought of that before. Europe not needing high mileage tires, I mean. Makes sense now, though. Thanks for broadening my understanding.
@@TheEpling The pleasure is mine, buddy. Always eager to dive deeper and obtain more knowledge! Anyway, I went and checked basically all the cars in the family, both summer and winter sets. And also friends' and colleagues' cars lol. Turns out more than half are approved for international market (EU + NA) and do have the UTQG rating. But many tires from even the big players (Pirelli, Bridgestone, Continental etc.) did not have the UTQG rating on the sidewall. Nevertheless, most of the tires I checked where the Treadwear rating was present, the values really were between 300 and 400, even on what is considered regular, non-performance touring tires. All of them had a traction rating of A, some AA. The lowest value I managed to find was on Yokohama Advan for my Subaru STI - 200, but then again, several common tires I checked were like 240, 260. Only at the very end of my "survey" I discovered some outliers - my MIL's RAV4 is fitted with Bridgestone Ecopia with TW 600 and my FIL's Land Cruiser wears Pirelli Scorpions A/T with a TW of 640. He told me his previous set was a high mileage tire as well (ca 60k miles), but he had to toss those because even with plenty of tread depth left, the rubber got hard and the grip on wet was uncomfortably low. Anyway, how much do you inflate? Cheers
Wow! You do dive deep. I love it. So they can be found but they are very rare, it seems. I actually don’t know my tire pressures but I think I’m about 33. I keep forgetting to check and I haven’t been with my car for several days.
What do you work to drive 50k? I have 160k on my Mazda 3 and it has been great reliability, only now has an oil leak from the timing chain cover. But that is not a big deal IMO I see your steering wheel is wearing poorly like mine, it was replaced once on warranty but still crap I have 2 16" sets for my Mazda 3 which came with 18s. The other benefit is much better ride quality.
I’m a sales consultant so I cover multiple states. The steering wheel quality is definitely not great. It’s been in bad shape for a long time. I hadn’t thought of the ride quality being affected. I didn’t notice it in my car but I’m sure that’s true.
I have 20 inch on my Impala and a pothole just took out a side wall on one of my tires. I am thinking about going 18 inch now thinking they would be less likely to fail.
@@TheEpling The rim wasn’t damaged but a new tire with alignment ran $450. Pot holes in my area are the norm. Hard Winters with generous amount of salt to melt ice.
It doesn’t change. When you increase in wheel diameter the tire sidewall is decreased proportionately. So the wheel and tire combination is the same diameter between 19s and 17s.
Sorry! I don’t really have an answer to that. I’ve used Nitto for the 19s and Big O for the 17s. The only time I noticed a noise difference was when I put all season tires on the 17s. They were louder than the normal tires I had. I believe they were just summer/performance tires, which doesn’t make sense because supposedly all season tires are quieter than summer/performance tires. That was just my experience.
Interesting. Im running 19" Toyo Proxes4plus on my 2014 touring and get 60k miles. They dont appear to make them anymore or they changed the name because the new Proxes have lower treadwear ratings
Looks like they changed it from a touring tire to a summer performance tire, the later having a softer rubber compound, thus faster wear. They may still make a higher mileage tire for the car, I havent had a need to look, but i strongly recommend Toyo tires as an older dude who has used many tires in his time. I have them on my truck also (open country H/T) and they are lasting beyond my expectations
Ya. I’m not finding much of a difference in my experience or online. As long as your overall wheel plus tire diameter stays the same the change won’t affect mpg. However, the weight change between 17 and 19 could affect it a little. Also, the type of wheels could change aerodynamics. From what I can find, the overall effect is pretty minimal. 1 to 3 mpg tops.
The problem with this logic is 99% of people destroy their cars and trade them in before they hit 80k miles. So point being drive the size you like because the savings is negligible. If home boy is so worried about money then drive a 2005 carolla and look how much he could’ve saved on gas..but he drove what he liked..
Yup. Drive what you like. Drive what works for you. This video is for people who want to know the cost difference I’ve experienced between owning 19s vs 17s. Is it worth it? If you love the 19s and aren’t concerned about the cost, It’s worth it. Some people, like me, drive a ton and the cost difference is not negligible. Wasn’t worth it for me. When I bought my Mazda6 the Corolla was nearly $5,000 more expensive. Even with how much I drive it would take over 7 years to make up the cost difference in gas savings to break even. So I bought the car I wanted instead of the fuel efficient one. Thanks for watching!
Plus the 17" wheels/tires will have a quieter, smoother ride than the lower profile 19" tires on larger wheels.
Very true.
More content from this channel is the best way to start the day. I put Chinese tires on my 19-inch wheels - something that many people might not like. They cost me about $400 for the four of them. In my previous car I only used Chinese tires and had good luck with them. I got about 50k miles on a set. But in my previous car they were 15 inches. In the meantime I have driven the 19 about 6200 miles and I am satisfied with the noise level, fuel consumption and grip. Not perfect but considering the price it's great. I wonder how long they will last
That’s quite a compliment. 😄Thank you! If you get 18,000 miles out of them you’re about even with regular 19” tires. Anything more than that looks like a pretty good deal to me.
@@TheEpling From the way they look now I believe they will last at least 35k but I promise to update more
In Ontario Canada if you don’t put on true Winter Tires between Nov 20 and April 15 you pay higher car insurance so most of us have a winter set of wheels. As a comparison my 20 inch winter wheels for my BMW X5 M cost $7,000. My summer wheels are 21 inches and one rear tire cost about $1,000 since they are 325mm wide Michelin Pilot Sport high performance tires speed rated at 180mph.
Brand?
Yikes. We don’t get near enough snow to require that. I’ve only ever used all season tires. No winter tires.
I drove 70,000km on my 17 inch Kumho Solus all season tyres and when I sold my car, it had half the threads left. On the other hand, my 18 inch tyres went away around 50,000km.
That’s about the same as my experience, then. They do wear out fast.
Tire wear and tire brand and your driving style can really affect how long your tires last no matter the size.
That is very true. My tires never last past the warranty. I’m usually about 70,000 miles on a 75,000 mile tire. I accelerate fast, slow down fast, take corners fast. So I know I burn through tires faster than a lot of people.
I looooove your detail, thank you for showing / explaing the math! Cost and mileage, since i dont drive as much, i may go with the 19
Glad it helped you decide. If I didn’t drive a lot I would definitely go 19s.
For my car, not many companies have big mile warranties except Continental Pure Contact at 70k miles
What do you drive?
@@TheEpling Toyota Corolla 2012. Looking to go 18" but seems that 17" is the cutoff for Michelin not producing high mileage tires 215 40 R18
I see. I’m guessing the wheel well is too small to go 18”. I had a ‘98 Corolla I drove to 430,000 miles. Great car.
This was really interesting/helpful!
I’m glad it helped.
I have a 2016 M6 touring and the only thing I hate about the car is the 19” wheels. I have done a similar analysis and wish I downgraded to the 17” wheels sooner.
I however hate the way the 19”s look 😅.
Great video!
😄 That’s funny. Everybody has their own taste, don’t they? Glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching!
I myself was thinking the same thing. I was thinking dropping to an 18" or 17" wheel after looking at the prices of good all-season 19" tires.
Yup. There’s a big difference. Sometimes that extra $300 or so that it costs to buy the 19” tires vs the 17” tires just kills your bank account balance. It’s painful.
Lets try to compare the same tire from the same manufacturer.
What is the treadwear rating on your 17s and 19s?
Big O doesn’t make a tire for my 19s so we did Nittos and Sumitomos. So I didn’t have an exact comparison. It’s 640 on the 19 Sumitomos. 540 on the 17 Sumitomos. That’s according to Sumitomo’s website. 580 on my Big O Legacy AS Plus 17s.
@@TheEpling Interesting. I am just trying to make sense of your real-life results and the manufacturer's metrics.
I am based in EU and even though the "federal" government here does not require treadwear rating, on virtually all the tires I have ever seen or bought, there is always the treadwear-traction-temperature UTQG rating and also some DOT field and other remarks. So I assume most of the tires are really produced for the international market and these ratings should mean the same regardless of country or continent.
Its just that I am not aware I ever noticed a treadwear rating higher than 500, even a number over 400 seems pretty high to me. But after checking the web quickly I see there is this category of high longevity tires with treadwear rating even over 800! My guess is this is sort of "US special" class of tires, since americans drive twice as much as anybody else, you guys really do need tires that can last. What surprises me is that these high-mileage tires often have warranties of over 80k miles. Such a longevity is unheard of for me personally. From my subjective point of view, i would consider 60k kilometers (40k miles) a good result, but i see you live in a different realm.
After some thought, I guess high-mileage tires do not really make that much sense in europe. I believe the average distance driven in a year is some 10k miles and most of europe swap between summer and winter sets.
In my experience, dry rotting tires with still quite a lot of tread depth are much more common than simply worn out bald tires.
That is an interesting perspective. We definitely drive a lot here. I bought my 2016 Mazda6 in 2017 and it already had 45,000 miles on it. Not everybody drives that much but a lot do. If you’re visiting family 2 states away you could easily put 3,000 miles on your car round trip in just a few days. Perhaps there just isn’t a market in Europe for high mileage tires. If people won’t buy them often enough why bother selling them? We buy them all the time here. We do have a lot of wide open country with long distances between cities so we need our tires to last. I hadn’t thought of that before. Europe not needing high mileage tires, I mean. Makes sense now, though. Thanks for broadening my understanding.
@@TheEpling The pleasure is mine, buddy. Always eager to dive deeper and obtain more knowledge!
Anyway, I went and checked basically all the cars in the family, both summer and winter sets. And also friends' and colleagues' cars lol. Turns out more than half are approved for international market (EU + NA) and do have the UTQG rating. But many tires from even the big players (Pirelli, Bridgestone, Continental etc.) did not have the UTQG rating on the sidewall. Nevertheless, most of the tires I checked where the Treadwear rating was present, the values really were between 300 and 400, even on what is considered regular, non-performance touring tires. All of them had a traction rating of A, some AA. The lowest value I managed to find was on Yokohama Advan for my Subaru STI - 200, but then again, several common tires I checked were like 240, 260.
Only at the very end of my "survey" I discovered some outliers - my MIL's RAV4 is fitted with Bridgestone Ecopia with TW 600 and my FIL's Land Cruiser wears Pirelli Scorpions A/T with a TW of 640. He told me his previous set was a high mileage tire as well (ca 60k miles), but he had to toss those because even with plenty of tread depth left, the rubber got hard and the grip on wet was uncomfortably low.
Anyway, how much do you inflate?
Cheers
Wow! You do dive deep. I love it. So they can be found but they are very rare, it seems. I actually don’t know my tire pressures but I think I’m about 33. I keep forgetting to check and I haven’t been with my car for several days.
What do you work to drive 50k?
I have 160k on my Mazda 3 and it has been great reliability, only now has an oil leak from the timing chain cover. But that is not a big deal IMO
I see your steering wheel is wearing poorly like mine, it was replaced once on warranty but still crap
I have 2 16" sets for my Mazda 3 which came with 18s.
The other benefit is much better ride quality.
I’m a sales consultant so I cover multiple states.
The steering wheel quality is definitely not great. It’s been in bad shape for a long time.
I hadn’t thought of the ride quality being affected. I didn’t notice it in my car but I’m sure that’s true.
I have 20 inch on my Impala and a pothole just took out a side wall on one of my tires. I am thinking about going 18 inch now thinking they would be less likely to fail.
That’s very possible. I hadn’t considered the durability of the side wall.
@@TheEpling The rim wasn’t damaged but a new tire with alignment ran $450. Pot holes in my area are the norm. Hard Winters with generous amount of salt to melt ice.
Yup. That will do it. I hope you have better luck with the new rims if you decide to change them.
17 inch is all you need.
Larger rims kerb easier, tyres are shockingly expensive.
Original first gen Lexus LS400 comes with 15 inch.
Yup. That car looks great with the 15s.
What about the rolling radius, does it change?
It doesn’t change. When you increase in wheel diameter the tire sidewall is decreased proportionately. So the wheel and tire combination is the same diameter between 19s and 17s.
have you used many tire brands? if so, which one was the most quiet?
Sorry! I don’t really have an answer to that. I’ve used Nitto for the 19s and Big O for the 17s. The only time I noticed a noise difference was when I put all season tires on the 17s. They were louder than the normal tires I had. I believe they were just summer/performance tires, which doesn’t make sense because supposedly all season tires are quieter than summer/performance tires. That was just my experience.
Interesting. Im running 19" Toyo Proxes4plus on my 2014 touring and get 60k miles. They dont appear to make them anymore or they changed the name because the new Proxes have lower treadwear ratings
That’s pretty good for 19s from my experience. Sounds like a good tire. I hate having a good tire I’m used to getting get discontinued.
Looks like they changed it from a touring tire to a summer performance tire, the later having a softer rubber compound, thus faster wear. They may still make a higher mileage tire for the car, I havent had a need to look, but i strongly recommend Toyo tires as an older dude who has used many tires in his time. I have them on my truck also (open country H/T) and they are lasting beyond my expectations
@@Mach141I’ll check those out on my next tire change. Thanks!
Hello
What is the fuel economy between 17 ans 19 wheels?
Thanks from France :)
Not much difference, u might get about 3 extra mpgs with smaller wheels
@@dp-ld8ph thanks!
Ya. I’m not finding much of a difference in my experience or online. As long as your overall wheel plus tire diameter stays the same the change won’t affect mpg. However, the weight change between 17 and 19 could affect it a little. Also, the type of wheels could change aerodynamics. From what I can find, the overall effect is pretty minimal. 1 to 3 mpg tops.
@@TheEpling thanks too
99 ml 430 new tires are as much as the vehicle is worth ............they are not an easy find and bigger rims come with expensive headaches
True. It can be hard to spend that much on a 25 year old car.
The problem with this logic is 99% of people destroy their cars and trade them in before they hit 80k miles. So point being drive the size you like because the savings is negligible. If home boy is so worried about money then drive a 2005 carolla and look how much he could’ve saved on gas..but he drove what he liked..
Yup. Drive what you like. Drive what works for you. This video is for people who want to know the cost difference I’ve experienced between owning 19s vs 17s. Is it worth it? If you love the 19s and aren’t concerned about the cost, It’s worth it. Some people, like me, drive a ton and the cost difference is not negligible. Wasn’t worth it for me. When I bought my Mazda6 the Corolla was nearly $5,000 more expensive. Even with how much I drive it would take over 7 years to make up the cost difference in gas savings to break even. So I bought the car I wanted instead of the fuel efficient one. Thanks for watching!