Best Exhaust - Stock vs Sport vs 4 Muffler Deletes - From mild to maniac
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Do BRASS STRAIGHT PIPES sound good? Here we put the E46 BMW through various exhaust experiments to find out what is the best exhaust
Stock vs "golf tee mod" vs TA Technix, vs muffler delete
following muffler deletes are tested:
Mild Steel
Stainless Steel
Brass tipped SS
Brass
00:00 - Intro
01:43 - Golf Tee Mod
06:02 - TA Technix muffler
13:39 - Mild Steel Muffler delete
19:46 - Stainless Steel and Brass Tips
25:43 - Brass Muffler Delete - Авто та транспорт
Really well put together video buddy!
The brass tip insert making such a change is mainly down to 2 things.
1. The tip has introduced a change in internal diameter, creating a small choke point. You can hear the interruption in flow on the cold start clip, where there is a slight "hiccup" before the flow corrects itself.
2. The extra weight on the end due to the difference in density changes the harmonic frequency running through the pipe, in much the same way weighted bar ends do on a motorcycle handlebar.
You would get a similar effect, albeit less pronounced, with a rolled tip on the steel pipes, be it inwardly rolled/outwardly rolled.
The brass pipes sounded much nicer than either steel option, giving a deeper, richer tone through my earphones. Not sure its worth the ten fold price increase over mild steel though.
Again, great video, really enjoyed it. Would be keen to see other materials tested such as copper or aluminium, finances allowing.
Keep up the good work sir. 💪🏻
Thank you so much for this explanation. Can i pin it? Because i think this is what happened in this video. Clearly im not an expert, i just turn wrenches lol
@OEMplusRESTO you're very welcome friend.
Of course, feel free.
I'm far from an expert myself, just a fabricator with a keen interest in flow dynamics, so exhaust & intake systems hugely interest me.
I'm currently welding cast iron pipe whilst listening to your airbox to cone filter comparison. Really good work. 👍🏻
@g.w.customcreations3534 thank you. Cast iron?? I though brazing was hard lol. I took my first attempt at a full brass exhaust yesterday using brazing but holu hell it was hard. Cast iron is even worse ive been told
@OEMplusRESTO yeah, brazing can be difficult. Are you using oxy-fuel or TIG to braze?
Cast Iron has its difficulties, but once you have the knowledge, it's not too challenging. Having an older mentor, much like you & your father, helps a great deal. They've already made the mistakes, and can teach you how to avoid them.
The older generations are worth their weight in gold, so it's worth the time to listen. 😁
Kind of makes me thing of weighted bar ends on motorcycle handlebars. It does change the vibration/feel.
I love the idea and would love to see a full brass exhaust
Hell yes! Full brass exhaust would be awesome! Idk if headers would work though with exhaust temps getting as hot as they do. But idk!
Would be cool but would absolutely melt under load anywhere before or after collector, from the mid pipe back it may stay for a while.
For my STi there are stainless, titanium, and aluminum available for catback exhausts... Once my mild steel 3in rusts out I'll be looking for something else.
Not to mention brass is HEAVY
Wow the brass tips are amazing change
Tips in general change the sound quite abit being brass or stainless.
Thank you for making the time to make this great video
Thank you for watching and commentig. Thats what make its more fun for me🙏
I did that 40 years ago and it sounded great!
This video is going to cost me some money 🙈🤩. Thank you again for a great video. My neighbors are going to be mad😬😬
What you getting? :D
Love your excitement & knowledge in these vids. So cool to see all your tests!
Thank you. Im happy you liked it
Oh man. It totally makes sense to me. I think you are really onto something.
Thanks for the effort. You rock man!
you are making very interesting videos! i love this experiments!
Hats off to you!!! One of the best videos I have seen in a while!!!!
Man this channel deserves more recognition! This is such a blast watching you experiment with your E46!
Thank you. Im happy to hear that
This video is gold. So much info you absolutely can’t go wrong ❤
Wow
We'll never stop to discover new things
Wow thanks for answering a question i had since forever
Very in depth as ever Tim. Top work😊
Another interesting experiment. Looking forward to your next video.
Jeepers man, appreciate your time. Craft, driving,recording and perfect editing.
After watching this makes it clear what were the shiny thing on some harley tips...and good explanation in the pinned post.
Effin cool work!
Thank you for watching bro. And the kind words. A nice thing to read after a long day of editing so i can release a new video
This is the perfect explanation of, what happens to sound in density/denser objects? The more density you have, the more sound makes it out of the hole than thru the side of the pipe.
Very, very interesting results. Thank you!
Thank you for watching
Fantastic video, well explained and direct
I always get visible happy when I see you upload. My absolute favourite channel 🤙
Thats probably the best compliment ive gotten on yt so far🙏
The amount of work put into this video is incredible! I too was holding onto the edge of my seat waiting to see what the brass pipes sounded like. As unfortunate as they were, I think the fact that we've figured out that brass tips make a difference to tone and drone is excellent. At least through the mic, the pipes sound better than the mufflers because they have a deeper 'growl' to it. In person though, I DO know that what sounds deeper on the mic often is much dronier in real life.
Excellent video, love your level of care throughout these videos. All the little details make the difference. You've even gone above and beyond to do acceleration tests. As for the difference in performance, I reckon it has to do with back pressure. With the TA Technix muffler you probably have the perfect amount of back pressure compared to the restrictive stock muffler, and then with the pipes you might have TOO much back pressure causing you to lose power instead. Just a theory but this could be the case.
Really good analysis and thank you for the feedback sir💪
@@OEMplusRESTO No worries! You earned yourself a like and a new subscriber. Looking forward to what else you figure out. I watched your intake video too before this one and that impressed me too :)
@@qwertiee thats very kind of you to say. Thank you.
Back pressure is a myth. You only need an ideal diameter for proper flow but not necessarily a restrictive pipe. Everything else is your statement I do agree. It was barely perceived, but the note with brass pipe seemed deeper
@@OEMplusRESTOHi Mate thanks for the great work, just wondering if you could kindly help me with the link for the TA T echnixx muffler thanks.
this is super cool thank you for exploring our thoughts for us
I like your english accent, but your compare videos are so much better than this ❤
Thx dude for your work!!
Thank you. Alot of people comment on my accent😅 must be very noticeable. I dont notice it myself though🤣
It is very much a Danish accent - fellow dane 🎉
These videos are the best!! Keep up the work
My metal shop teacher was German from Germany, we got along fabulous he was a great teacher !
German from Germany?
Had a copper straight through on a hemi straight 6. Sounded beautiful❤
Thank you again for another great video brotha, you are doing so much for e46 enthusiasts, your videos are extremely helpful and very appreciated.
Thank you for your continued support. It is much appreciated❤️
Interesting experiment for sure, thank you.
Really good video
Keep on testing! Your videos are priceless.
Another fantastic video as always. Keep it up ❤
From my own personal experience:
I had the TA Technix Muffler on my E46 320i with the M54B22.
At first it sounded pretty much stock, but after a couple hundred to thousand kilometers of autobahn driving (basically a minimum of 3500-6000rpm constantly) it really burned free and was quite loud, and it sounded pretty nice. For a price of 180€ with a homologation in Germany (Teilegutachten) it was well worth the money!
Edit: The fitment is tricky to get right, but you basically have to, for one, play around with the mounting system and adjust it so it sits flush and straight, and you can also twist the muffler a very tiny bit to get it to sit straight. I was sitting very nicely on my E46. The different length mounting pipes were miserable, I had to weld a piece of tubing to it to get it to fit, I had the same problem you had. Also I loved the different length end pipes, those made it look much better imo. In the end it was a bit finicky, but when you play around a bit you can get it to sit flush and straight!
This is exactly my experience. Except the wearing in part. I too think its a decent buy if you can diy the fitment:)
Excellent, entertaining and informative. Such a well put together video that this is the first time I have ever commented and liked.
Thank you sir. Im honoured😎
Maan I just ordered a muffler to empty it two days ago and now I see this video, almost perfect timing. Good video.
Would you share photos of the insides somewhere
please post pics of the internals
Dude, I was waiting for the brass tips on the brass pipe test man! The thickness difrence seems to me like would definitely change the sound!
Amazing ,just amazing 👏
Great test. I got a custom Magnaflow stainless cat back system on my Mitsubishi. And at first it was a bit raspy, but the mechanic said it would smooth out a bit when it gets a layer of soot in it, and this was so true, after a couple of months it had a different sound to it, a bit deeper.
Interesting.
This was a fun test.
I installed many many many exhaust systems. The best sounds always came from the thickest/ largest diameter pipe. Ive even used an old semi driveshaft as exhaust.
Everything I've ever put together changed immediately with the right tips.
Thick double layered stainless tips have always been my favorite. But i like the brass.
Which was the worst? Straight single wall? What about those "resonated" tips, which look like a combination of double wall and rolled edge, but with perforations and the tiniest bit of packing in it?
another amazing video, it’s always a good day when you upload! would love to see some testing with resonator 1&2 deletes with stock muffler and such :)
Thank you. I did consider it but all i could read online was that it would drone too much:/
You've been reading my mind
I've always liked the sound of straight pipes I've got 3" stainless on my 01 TA after stainless long tube headers
Great video, there’s something also worth considering, the brass will be more sensitive to resonance, so tuning the length and diameter of the pipe is also a fun test you can do
one thing that would be nice is cruising at highway speeds. I think that might be where the brass options could shine because they are so good at eliminating drone.
Hey there, really nice video! Keep the good work!
Greetings from Brasil!
Another awesome video to see! :) Can't wait for next!
Cool how the brass tips really changed the sound!
And free flowing exhaust is always gonna be better, you never want any backpressure on a 4stroke, doesnt matter if its NA or turbo/supercharged.
Yeah i think its a myth that backpressure is needed. And thank you
@@OEMplusRESTOI’ve done a good amount of testing on my own personal car, and an ungodly amount of research, back pressure on four strokes is no good! I think folks are just stuck on the mindset of two strokes needing it
Thank you
AMAZING video and nice WORK!!!
Thank you
In my experience, putting a 3” tailpipe that’s at least 24” long, will deepen the tone of anything.
Didgeridoo
Interesting. Nice testing and Results.
Thank you
Well done my friend!
I have to give you credit that video is a lot of work 👍👍
the brass tips look good.
Even when I was a kid getting my license I wanted a quiet car, I want to hear what's going on inside my engine
Just an FYI, if the valve muffler has had a vacuum line plumbed to it and the computer has been coded for it, the valve will be actuated around 5 minutes after cold start, from closed to open. The valve was meant to meet noise regulations on cold starts.
The SS definitely sounds better than the MS, even if it's not any louder/quieter. I was pretty surprised by how much the brass tips made a difference all around! I want some brass tips, now! Especially since it matches my wheels, shift knob, etc. :) Thanks for all the testing.
This is a great video!
I'd wage that while there was just a little difference in sound, it was because you changed only the tip of the iceberg. If you had SS headers and all of the rest in brass, specially the curves, you'd get wildly different sounds!
cheers!
Well made video great job 💯👍
Thank you
The pitch is definitely higher with the brass pipe! That’s really cool, I’d love to hear a full brass straight pipe
The TA sounded really good..like it should have sounded from factory!! Brass made it sound almost more like E46 m3. Great video!👍
Im not that into the louder setups but i can see why others like them no doubt
I once lived next to a guy that started building t-buckets in the 50s. He once told me that they would cut up brass beds for the pipe, and then string a piano string- I can't remember which, tight between two screws to get it to "ring"
You already have some brass pipes...
Thank you. Do you know where they attached the strings to make it ring?
@@OEMplusRESTO unfortunately I do not, and it's been some time since that gentleman passed away. It sounded like the string would be out in the air, so they might have even ran the screws all the way through and strung the string between before even installing the pipe.
great video. keep it up! :D
next comparison could be about resonator delete, small resonator and big resonator
Amazing video! Very good
Thank you
great test. I had never considered material types or using solid insert tips to change the sound. Liked, Subscribed and looking forward to more videos. I really want to try brass tips on my M6 now.
I only thought of it because i know they use them in the motorcycle world. Thank for the sub
This was really well put together! Thanks.
Ive also wondered about doing thermal coatings like cerakote and or some of those insulating aero beads.
Now that would be cool. To mess around with coatings or insulation as well
Awesome video. I would think because the brass inserts had a lip on them it changes the sound more than the brass pipes. With the inserts your basically creating a whistle like device going from a larger "inlet"(base diameter of the exhaust) to smaller outlet(lip of the brass insert).
Something interesting about sound / pressure waves that is likely the reason for the tips making a difference in the stainless exhausts is that if a pressure wave travels into an area with a suddenly smaller or bigger cross section it causes a difference in 'acoustic impedance' so some pressure waves can be resisted or bounced back by the sudden transition, so the fact the tips suddenly neck down and then flare out probably causes the fast and weak higher frequency pressure waves to be bounced back partially, reducing the high pitch droning sounds a little bit.
Sorry if this gets a bit lost in Translation please look into it if your interested my explanation is probably not the best, keep up the awesome stuff and I hope your having fun :)
Intakes make a difference in cooperation with a freer flowing exhaust, so this could be a factor in how the exhaust is working with factory intake flow.
those straight pipes in place of a muffler sounds good.
Super dope video. Keep it up 💯
Thank you. I will. Will have to do a full exhaust now i can see from the comments
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THESE GREAT VIDS
The brass had a cleaner less drone deep sound to it. I like it 👌
Thank you
The brass pipes makes it have soul (music) :)
Best tuning , weight reduction , probality, rear seat full ,And trunk clear, ,looks time 50-110km , testing
i actually really like the full brass. gave it a more "exotc" sound
Great job/video! I appreciate your endeavor!Would love to see a comparison on American V-8 setup.🤔👍
Me too bro.. i have had a few so theyre no strangers to me
I think, you forgot one test: Brass tubing with the brass tips, because the tips change geometry of the end an manipulate the sound.
But I didn't expect the sound difference to be that great, between stainless steel an brass anyway.
Im assuming you changed the stainless steels resonance when you tapped the brass rings on. like holding a cymbal to mute it.
Great video! I’ve been curious about aluminum since it is light and less expensive than titanium.
Good video bro
I was really hoping for a brass tips in brass pipes comparison too. But this video was still great. I definitely heard a difference in tone with each change. And now I know why the titanium exhaust I had that looked identical to the stainless, sounded different in my opinion, but my friends said it was the same. I should have recorded a before/after to prove it.
Im tempted to do that as well but i think i have something even better coming up. Just trying to do some research first
Titanium exhaust.. id love to hear that👀
Really great comparison!
Loved this one even though i wont be able to either use the intake stuff nor the exhaust stuff here in germany :)
Would love to see a comparison with an x-pipe for the mid section! Think that might be really interesting for performance and sound
Also great to see how much the channel has grown over the time!
As always really nice quality video :)
Keep it up!
Thank you.
Me neither bro.. i have fitted the stock exhaust and intake already🤣 but the ta technix one is e approved. Isnt that sufficient to have it legal in germany?
@@OEMplusRESTO Yea it kinda is unless you get the wrong police man at the wrong time on the wrong day then it doesnt really matter and the car gets seized by the government :D
@TOTALdAk1nG thats rough.. Its the same in dk i think but i havent had any bad experiences ever meeting a cop, so i hope that will continue. Either way, car is now fully legal again. I will try and get the exhaust valve working again too! Had to manually close it to do tests
Brass is easily formed as it's soft. It would be interesting to apply some musical theory with regard to the overall shape of the tips and routing to see how it positively affects sound.
The higher pitch compared to stainless would be fun with an X-pipe and a high-revving engine. It likely would scream!
Virkelig informativ og gennemført video.
Næste step er at forsøge Titanium. :)
this video is gold information thank you very much ! for curiosity i cutted open my stock 330 muffler and the piping for the valved side is very different than the side without valve . if you want to see the photos inside the muffler just pm me
Id love to. But how do i dm you?
you rock!
interesting , nice vid :)
So nice to have a lift
The only brass piping I had in the car was the last time I picked a brass up and I'm not talking exhaust pipes...
Awesome video as always!! Greetings from Guatemala, do this exact format with the catless headers and consider putting an X pipe in place of the second resonator thanks 🙏🏻
Thank you. Wauw that things must be really loud? I didnt try it but i can imagine it would be too loud for an old guy like me lol
That exhaust sounds like my first car, i put a Bee R rev limiter. Video is in my channel!
I really like the different pitch from the brass pipes. I know you already did the straight pipes, but I'd be curious to hear full brass exhaust tips from the back of a muffler, I'd love to see that on the stock muffler but you probably want to keep that intact, so modifying the TA Tecnix would be great as well
Its a good idea honestly
I would never have thought those brass ends or tips would have sounded different
I try to tell people this stuff thank you for demonstrating. I put new 2" thicker steel duals with aftermarket steel packs on my old 06 Mercury and its the best 4.6 2v sound in the world. Can you show why glass packs suck and to help people get better steel pack resonators free flowing exolaining velocity as well. Shake and bake brass pipes are neat
The ford 4.6’s sound great i agree💪
Great video mate, well done! Really enjoyed the comparisons and didn’t expect the brass pipe, nice touch. I’ve recently gone back to stock w/ open valve from a stainless straight through backbox like the ta technix one and have to say it does feel like the car has lost some torque, not really sure why, was expecting the opposite given that the stock exhaust is probably more restrictive. It might just be in my head though as it’s a lot more quiet now.
Thank you. Yeah placebo is one helluva drug lol. Which muffler did you have? One of the super expensive ones?
@@OEMplusRESTO just a cheap ebay one, I belive the brand was direnza or gravity. Seems to be one a couple of ebay brands sell as their own.
Awesome garage :o
It's crazy, when u try the TA one, looks like it rev higher than the stock one
Thank you:)
It will be interesting test a sport catalyst ( 200 cells ). HJS is a good brand.
What changes the sound more is equal lenght or unequallenght headers and x/h pipes! You should test that too!
id love to
I wouod love to hear a brass piped v8, i think thats where this mod will shine
I can only imagine😎
I've often wondered what other metals sound like if used for the entire exhaust. Aluminum comes to mind (weight mostly lol), but also carbon fiber.