Hello everyone! It’s my pleasure to be able to introduce you to one of the most interesting human beings I have ever had the pleasure of sitting down and talking with, Maia Poet. If you liked this, well you’re in luck. We did a part 2 on her channel! ua-cam.com/video/skk0-tNtvkI/v-deo.htmlsi=uGFlOCPv4p-ouQO9 and here is her Twitter: x.com/thepeacepoet99?s=21 Maia is so cool and fun, there is definitely more to come from both of us. Hope you enjoy. :) Chapters 0:00 introducing myself (and my cat) (and maia) 2:40 how maia became a communist 6:32 maia’s hyper-fixations began with Guinness book of world records tallest people 8:40 how elle escaped the baggage of three self-deletion attempts and mental hospital stays by transitioning, until “the timer went off, the time capsule was dug up” 14:37 maia summarizes this with “distress gets fossilized”. pushing discomfort away until surgery/hormones means lots of emotion and trauma to deal with during detransition 17:41 maia expands on this by opening up about dealing with breast dysphoria during her desistance process 18:58 elle on starting over in life, 5 years of detransition, “living the life of a trans woman but in reverse” 21:45 maia gives a pep talk. “progress isn’t linear - just keep swimming.” 24:48 why so many modern young people struggle with mental illness. “this is very unnatural.” 26:40 maia explains why transgenderism easily infiltrated western civilization 28:57 maia used her trans identity to become more comfortable with her masculinity 29:32 SPECIAL INTERMISSION: HOW TO MAKE BOWTIES AT HOME 31:10 maia didn’t know she was gay because she didn’t know what “crushes” were (she thought that was just orange soda) 32:55 dramatic reenactment of maia touching her crush for the first time 35:10 maia’s parents took her to the doctor because she had a crush on a girl 37:24 elle asks maia if she had friends in school (what a savage) 38:40 maia latches onto a group of boys in middle school because girls made her too nervous 39:25 maia and her male peer group pranked the teacher to make the girls laugh (according to her post-hoc rationalization) 40:17 maia thinks girls have complicated social rules - but the boys accepted her 43:00 maia’s introduction to ellen + wanting to dress like male peers = searching the internet for female to male sex changes 44:34 i was a girly girl as a child, so what changed? 48:00 lack of good adult female role models leading to teen ftm identity, trying to become your own role model 54:42 maia just needed a butch lesbian role model 55:57 when maia transitioned in israel she passed as a man without medicalizing… but detransitioning opened up the time capsule 58:10 elle asks maia one last question: “if you could say one thing to a young trans person with a similar life story to you, who’s wondering what to do, what would you say to them?” 1:05:07 slow clap for maia 1:05:14 outro (check out maia’s channel for part 2 ua-cam.com/video/skk0-tNtvkI/v-deo.htmlsi=uGFlOCPv4p-ouQO9)
I lost both my younger brothers to suicide, one was 20 years ago and the other was 2 years ago. It's really disgusting how ya'll use suicide as an emotional blackmail tool. Have you ever thought about that?
What city was that? That was the West Coast Progressive city where you grew up so if one of your parents is from the former Soviet union, and now you live here then he would be anti-communist because they left. There would be no reason to leave if they were comfortable with a communist lifestyle.
@@mattikarosenthal3298my post Soviet parent isn’t explicitly anti- communist. This parent just sees their childhood as their childhood, and thinks that American youth are too spoiled by excess. This parent of mine simply sees the benefits and drawbacks of different ways of life and isn’t explicitly for or anti, but rather applies a nuanced analysis to life situations and forms of governance and economy.
I crossdresssed in private from my parents and liked makeup and such, but when my mom saw pictures, i had taken of myself crossdressed, i panicked and said i was trans. I regret that now. The social transition really doesn't prepare you for what the medical transition will do. I socially transitioned at 16 and medically at 18 and detransed at 20. I think i made a whole new person in transition with their own feelings, ushally i did this with crossdressing now it was me 24 7 and i was also very scared to grow up as a man, i didnt have any male role models i could relate to and didnt like toxic maslinity, was a total feminist and thought men caused all the problems and i would cause problems if i became one i didnt like anything overly Stereotypically masculine exspeshally the style, i still dont, i like to present myself more feminine so there's some truth to this big scam and i wish i could get the years back i missed with my best friend and my chest back to normal but nothing isnt always fair, thats why i do detrans gender critical content for my own piece of mind. After i detransion, i got my voice back, my facial back, and realized i can be fine with what nature gave me, i can still have a feminine side, and it's taught me a lot.
The world needs to keep affirming that we all have complex identities with a mixture of all sorts of qualities, which are often arbitrarily labeled as male or female according to cultural stereotypes. If one takes the Trans route - sure it is quite the learning experience, quite the adventure - but the ticket price is very high and you don't always get a return trip to where you started physically. It might be better explored in a REALISTIC not glorified virtual reality - rather than IRL. The world needs more men who are really in touch with their "feminine" as a natural part of who they are - and the same for women who want to embrace "masculine" qualities - and then just mixing things up whenever and however. Trans takes a stereotypical perspective of masculine and feminine and shoves people into them, forcing them to limit themselves more than if they allowed themselves the freedom to just explore. Unfortunately - many children growing up in conservative environments will experience bullying for being "non-traditional" while those from progressive homes may be groomed into being trans. The result being both kids from the extremes of the political spectrum feel they have no OTHER way of expressing or exploring their identity BUT to transition. How progressive is it - to force oneself into a very defined gender fantasy, instead of truly inventing oneself?
i love her admission of the egotism of children leads to the situation of "I know better than my parents". especially the unsupported and unsupervised use of internet.
Because they do, it's not egotistical to say you know yourself better then your parents do. You know yourself better then anyone does, because you're the only one who is in your mind, we are only calling it "egotistical" because parents don't see their children as 'full' people but just extensions of themselves . I knew who I was when I was 14, I knew I wasn't trans, and I still am not now, so why is the opposite that hard to fathom?
@@Doggcerealoh come on. Children don’t know themselves at 14. You knew you weren’t trans because that’s the case for the vast majority of people that does not mean you knew yourself.
@@ALT-vz3jn children do know themselves at 14, I don't know where you live but here in Europe children drink alcohol, smoke and even can legally have sex at that age. Let's stop pretending like teenagers are stupid, their frontal lobe isn't fully developed but your child getting a haircut isn't the end of the world, it's not like you just go "mom I'm trans" and they take you into the operating room and chop your boobs off because you said so lmfao
"Life is not challenging enough for most people" - I think this sums up the modern world perfectly! I want to give both of you a big hug. Thanks for being so open and sharing your experiences.
As a 74 year old, really I am! I loved your tag team discussion. More please. Two brilliant women just talking about their lives. I have been with Elle from her you tube beginnings. Elle, you have come so far. I look forward to you greatness in the world.
I'm a 37y/o non-gender conforming pansexual woman that's never really been able to talk about or process these types of things because I grew up in an extremely conservative town. As an adult, I live in one of the most progressive cities in my state, so I've been able to figure out a lot of things that I could never put words to growing up, and I find myself learning more and more with every video that I watch of yours. Thank you (You, Elle, and Maia!) for putting your thoughts, ideas, knowledge and experiences out there for everyone to be able to learn from. Your perspective is invaluable and I appreciate every video. Thanks, again, from the bottom of my heart for helping this "old lady" learn more about herself everyday.
It saddens me that women and girls are told that by the gender/trans activists, they are something that is not the norm or they don't conform to what is expected from a female. Women and girls don't realize this belief is sexist. It's misogynist thinking. Be your own kind of woman and girl. If you are a tomboy, if you are a butch lesbian, or an athlete, assertive, out spoken, work in a traditionally male job or hobby or sport, you are your own kind of woman or girl. You aren't male, or non conforming, or out of place, or even weird. Gender theroy and trans and gender ideology are misogynist and appear too want to erase female identity. Only males are women and girls according to that ideology. You don't need lables. You are perfect as you are. Be your own kind of woman and girl.
I'm 23 y.o, I have always been a girl who, although I have a fairly feminine appearance, my behavior is not so much, I was always quite tomboyish even from a young age, even when I was younger I questioned if I really was a girl or a boy because of the stuff that I liked that wasn't categorized as "Female stuff". After watching videos about ppl transitioning the thing in my mind got worse, Fortunately, the matter did not progress further, plus I am a person with an average economy in a country where it would be impossible to pay for hormones or a sex change surgery, and I was worried also about telling my mom but I don't even imagine what would have happened if my mom had put me or let me be into all this kind of ideology and hormones and so on, it would have been a disaster. I'm pretty fine now about being a woman with my not that feminine side
misogyny trying to make us believe that the things we enjoy are not meant for females, then the internet telling us that that's true and we are actually boys in girls bodies. when truly we just are women who are human beings. :c
This 👆🏼 is what Ive felt too afraid to admit wondering about the recent obsession with having to subscribe oneself to being within one or the other camps wholly and solely vs. just accepting the elements of the other within your gender assigned at birth without accepting pressure for having to conform? Especially not at so young of an age, we're living in a ridiculous chapter of history.
So you didn't realize that being transgender is about what you are not what you like? If you watched videos of trans people I have a hard time believing the term wasn't ever defined for you
I had gender dysphoria as a young child and it mostly went away during puberty. I feel bad for trans people who genuinely would benefit from transitioning even at a young age but puberty blockers scare me solely because puberty is when I mostly grew out of mine. Of course I still have thoughts but for the overwhelming majority of the time I love being a woman. I am a lesbian (which is typical for women who out grow gender dysphoria) and seeing masculine lesbians has helped me a lot with the thoughts I get so I am glad yall touched on that. I can still feel masculine while being a woman and it something I have to remind myself of.
Elle, it’s so great to see you back on UA-cam! It looks like you are feeling better and finding your way. Both of you are so eloquent and have really important voices in this conversation.❤
Fascinating discussion - you both have such a beautiful take on mental illness, struggle, change... Sometimes it's easy to feel sad about feeling sad haha but you both put a positive, poetic spin on it. Thanks! xx
I'm really happy I found you. My child recently said they wanted to transition. They are 12yo and I'm convinced she's masking body image issues and this is an extension to an eating disorder. Thank you for giving a voice to an alternative perspective.
a late comment but maybe it will still find you. i'd highly recommend a podcast called gender: a wider lens. the hosts are mental health professionals and talk a lot about how families can deal with the situation you're in. wishing your family strength and health ❤
Amazingly nuanced and heartfelt insights, this is the kind of conversation from this generation and perspective I've been eager to listen to recently. You're both very sensible and articulate women and your voices are so illuminating and necessary. Thank you for sharing them here. ❤
People in countries who havent experienced Communism but consider themselves Communist to me is just a joke, we in Germany still celebrate the end of Communism with all of our hearts each year.
@@Smudgyglassesmy father was German, born in 1945, and when he was in college he was discriminated HORRIBLY by his professor because he was born on the other side of the wall. People that were okay with things that way are hateful people, much like racists (basically the same thing..hating people because of one singular thing that shouldn't matter). Take the civil war...the people who WANTED to keep things seperate are the same people that didn't want to abolish slavery. And they HATED northerns or "Yankees" and still to this day there are southerners who HATE northerners and still call us Yankees and discriminate against us. Which is rediculous after all this time. I have an experience as a CHILD where I was treated horribly in a man's store and he called me a Yankee (being a kid, I said..no I'm from Philly, so it's the Phillies 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️) and he said quite a few mean things before he called me a Yankee. Once I said the thing about the Phillies, he realoses I was just a kid ho didn't know anything...so he started to try to "educate me" until an adult intervened. I remember it being such an awful experience and couldn't understand as a young child how any stranger could treat somebody different that way. I don't remember everything he said, nor did I understand it all (although I did try to defend "my people") but I will never forget how that manade me feel. Ams anybody who misses that wall in Germany- they are the SAME WAY. Communism is evil and DOESNT WORK. Speak to people who have escaped communism. Watch a video of somebody sharing thwir experiences of what life was lioe for them in North Korea or Cuba or somewhere else. There is a really great video of one woman from Borth Korea sharing her experiences in an interview and I think she made a channel too. THAT is worth watching and listening to. Communism has not ever and will never succeed.
I socially transitioned at 15, right after a scene phase 💀 I believe finding trans ppl on UA-cam dug up memories when I was a kid 10y/o? telling my parents “I’m a boy” or something, except I don’t even remember it, I only remember how at Christmas one year my family brought up the memory and joked about how I cut my bangs off (trauma has a lot of memories foggy) I know around that age I was a bit of a “copy cat” liking everything my sister and my friends were interested in. Unsure if something influenced me on suddenly being a boy or not lol But when I remembered all of that and learning about trans ppl, I decided “I’m trans, my entire life I tried to fit in” I went from wanting to start T as soon as I get a job, to life is expensive I can wait, and now I’m realizing I don’t need to I guess? Sometimes I get gender envy but the fear of not looking how others look on T keeps me from it lol At work i don’t go by indigo bc of conflict with past jobs, even though I don’t like my birth name in the slightest. My close family calls me indy (bc calling me a color probably feels weird to them lmao) and are accepting, though my mom is hoping I’ll go back I don’t think I will end up socially detransitioning though, I am most comfortable being androgynous. I haven’t binded in years tho bc my ribs/back suffered and I’m glad I hadn’t started on T after finding your channel Elle.
Overall just happy where I’m at with my identity, non-binary, and glad I didn’t make the mistake of starting T It’s very interesting hearing your story and you should bring more detransitioners on your channel! More people should be made aware of this
@@Alimon96 I wore black eyeshadow and had long hair with swoopy bangs covering my eyes 🤣 (kinda like my profile picture on here but longer 💀 I have a mullet now)
Maia is so funny and deeply insightful. I can not wait to see, hear or read her developing theories and concepts, that will surly shed light to this current point in time.
I appreciate what Maia said about her parents intellectually, but not emotionally, engaging around big topics with her. It seems like a very important point, especially in this conversation, that children are nurtured to emotionally mature.
Yeah, I definitely feel you on the rumination thing. It’s not meant to be that we sit all day and wonder why life sucks (hugely me lol, it’s awful) but yeah :((
I did enjoy your dialog with your friend, 'Maia Poet.' There was mention of lacking familiarity with social clues. There were clear indications of obsessive interests from both of you. Those are often associated with aspies, like me. The corruptions brought about by the internet and social media was hinted at. Most people prefer to immerse themselves in information sources that tend to reinforce the worldview that they already have a predilection for. The internet allows one to go anywhere with that and to almost any depth, something that was far harder to do in the past. If one speculates the earth is flat one can find numerous arguments on the internet that will allow one to confirm such speculations and give the proponent a sense of being very special with special insights. Most humans have a craving to find evidence that indicates that there is something very special and unique about them. While using the internet I've learned to always be aware that such factors serve as a strong draw for numerous people. Though some young people may consider medically transitioning their gender due to obsessive immersion into those who found it was the right path into later adulthood we should never forget the stories of very young kids and their parents who persistently said that the kid didn't behave anything like their siblings as early as age three, long before they were deeply immersed in the socialization of gender norms.
Elle, thanks for this sit down with Maia! She is a smart woman. Very enlightening chat, especially the fact that neither one of you had a female role model to positively influence you.
Thank you Elle and Maia for your eloquent and thoughtful approach to this topic. Thanks Elle for introducing me to Maia, digitally. Keep shedding light on the truth brave souls!
You two are an excellent compliment to one another in the art of conversation. I would like to listen to you two again in another match covering a broad range of subjects. You are both curious, articulate, and have skill with your ability to sustain interesting dialogue.
New video! Your introduction in the beginning was so funny. Thank you for speaking out on these issues when the rest of us are unable to! I am a gay man and have been impacted by all the wild LGBT shit going on here. Maia's point at 28:30 was so salient! In lieu of culture or religion, people have attached themselves to the trans movement. I was fortunate to have hobbies before I figured out I was gay, so LGBT never became my be-all end-all. Sadly, I have friends today who would cut me out if they knew I disagreed some of the liberal antics in regards to LGBT people. I am sick of being treated like a monolith, a political pawn in the oppression olympics.
Awesome, I reeeeeally enjoyed your conversation. Learned a lot by just listening :) I don't know why but this video somehow had euro vibes to it, maybe because of the very articulated and nuanced opinions. Or maybe it was just the marx reference in the beginning, that reminded me a lot about how people in college talk over here.
Wish I was notified! But I thought about you and looked you up, and I'm here now! Happy you've uploaded since the last time I visited your channel and that I have this video, the part two, and another video to watch! I'm going through a really...very bad depression...and I need all the content and distraction I can get! 💓💗❤️
Maia, I would listen to you talk abt awkward baby lesbian stories & illuminating detrans activism while sewing for eternities untold Seriously cannot give you enough standing ovations. Your observations on various ways ppl are roped into gender transition are so brilliantly put. (my enjoyment of your discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you being a dreamy dapper lesbian nuh uh no way)
Videos like this make me feel less bad I waited so long to transition. I absolutely waited until I was both sure, healthy, able, and lived a life I can be happy with as my assigned gender.
Your gender is not assigned. You are born a sex, male or female. Doctors dont assign sex or gender. That is a lie the gender activists have demanded the public and medicine use.
Maia, thanks for openly sharing - I felt what you articulated at 54:44 was so important to your narrative and may help so many others. Thank you both for sharing your stories.
42:35 Adidas tracksuits are the most Eastern European thing too, it's a stereotype about Russian-Israelis as well. Can't wait for part 2! אה זה בערוץ של מאיה? עפתי לראות
Wow! Both of you are incredibly insiteful, wise, elequent, and enlightened at such a young age! Wonderful! Keep at it. You are helping so many women and girls. Both of you are inspiring. 🎉
We know that there are people that detransition and regret transitioning just like we know there are people who regret having children Weaponizing your experiences to limit the happiness of the many because YOU were wrong is pretty fucked The vast majority of good faith detransitioners recognize the good transition Healthcare is and are willing to admit they were wrong in XYZ way but heres the kicker alot of them still identify as transgender despite regretting the medical transition
Thank you for this discussion both of you are very intelligent and articulate so beautifully. Smart beautiful strong women. Much love and support or on your journeys forward 🍓
It happened that I was able to take part in Native American ceremonies. The oral teaching from people with experience. Also being together where everyone can experience themselves. There were people from all cultures and races there (intertribal). The women who are sometimes among themselves and exchange female ideas. This is an environment where you can learn what it means to be a human being. Basics such as what is female and can give birth and what is male and cannot give birth. This body congestion brings with it some challenges. That women have menstrual cramps. They are in their cycle every month. Indians call it moon time. That they have children or that they may have a miscarriage. Or abortion. That women have to cope with these life situations. When the women are among themselves they can support each other with such problems. But the men also know that women have to cope with such things. (But also that there are children who are different. This can also affect sex and gender) That you should accept them as they are. (no ideology of hormones and mental disorder etc.) The cultures of the Native Americans were almost all matriarchally organized. These are also matriarchal men who have great respect and admiration for women. This idea is not stored in our memory. It is a different social organization. The Indians say that patriarchy is the wrong pattern of humanity. It is based on fear and control. The Indians (indigenous american indians) say this in order to establish balance on earth. The social organization should be changed. To a sustainable one. The patriarchy is a self-destructive social organization that is bringing us to the brink of existence. The wisdom of women is lacking.
Dear girls, you're both two beautiful women, still in the road of finding where you come from. Just go to your bedroom and talk to Him. Ask Him, please God tell me who am I?
I just stumbled upon this and need some clarity. Are you trying to invalidate the trans experience and identity as a whole, or are you saying that you specifically just aren't trans and are telling your story?
@MaiaPoet I watched about 20 minutes of it and wanted more clarity because it's not clear at that point. It seems like you're invalidating the trans identity and experience as a whole, which is why I stopped watching and asked. Your answer seems to indicate the same since you couldn't just answer the question with a direct answer.
@@MaiaPoetIf you didn’t mean what the title said why title the video in such a way though? If you’re against the trans community don’t hide from it, it’s a normal worldview to have
You’re right- the year when the surrounding Arab countries tried to wipe Israel off the face of the map because they refused a Jewish presence in the region (no matter how small)- and FAILED miserably. War isn’t fair. There are winners and losers. Israel won because the Arab countries who invaded it, had a bad strategy
I think you are both brilliant and brave and I have learned something about Gen Z today (I'm on the oldest end of Gen X). There is great hope for our future, if people like you take the lead. Many blessings to both of you.
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Hello everyone! It’s my pleasure to be able to introduce you to one of the most interesting human beings I have ever had the pleasure of sitting down and talking with, Maia Poet. If you liked this, well you’re in luck. We did a part 2 on her channel! ua-cam.com/video/skk0-tNtvkI/v-deo.htmlsi=uGFlOCPv4p-ouQO9
and here is her Twitter: x.com/thepeacepoet99?s=21
Maia is so cool and fun, there is definitely more to come from both of us. Hope you enjoy. :)
Chapters
0:00 introducing myself (and my cat) (and maia)
2:40 how maia became a communist
6:32 maia’s hyper-fixations began with Guinness book of world records tallest people
8:40 how elle escaped the baggage of three self-deletion attempts and mental hospital stays by transitioning, until “the timer went off, the time capsule was dug up”
14:37 maia summarizes this with “distress gets fossilized”. pushing discomfort away until surgery/hormones means lots of emotion and trauma to deal with during detransition
17:41 maia expands on this by opening up about dealing with breast dysphoria during her desistance process
18:58 elle on starting over in life, 5 years of detransition, “living the life of a trans woman but in reverse”
21:45 maia gives a pep talk. “progress isn’t linear - just keep swimming.”
24:48 why so many modern young people struggle with mental illness. “this is very unnatural.”
26:40 maia explains why transgenderism easily infiltrated western civilization
28:57 maia used her trans identity to become more comfortable with her masculinity
29:32 SPECIAL INTERMISSION: HOW TO MAKE BOWTIES AT HOME
31:10 maia didn’t know she was gay because she didn’t know what “crushes” were (she thought that was just orange soda)
32:55 dramatic reenactment of maia touching her crush for the first time
35:10 maia’s parents took her to the doctor because she had a crush on a girl
37:24 elle asks maia if she had friends in school (what a savage)
38:40 maia latches onto a group of boys in middle school because girls made her too nervous
39:25 maia and her male peer group pranked the teacher to make the girls laugh (according to her post-hoc rationalization)
40:17 maia thinks girls have complicated social rules - but the boys accepted her
43:00 maia’s introduction to ellen + wanting to dress like male peers = searching the internet for female to male sex changes
44:34 i was a girly girl as a child, so what changed?
48:00 lack of good adult female role models leading to teen ftm identity, trying to become your own role model
54:42 maia just needed a butch lesbian role model
55:57 when maia transitioned in israel she passed as a man without medicalizing… but detransitioning opened up the time capsule
58:10 elle asks maia one last question: “if you could say one thing to a young trans person with a similar life story to you, who’s wondering what to do, what would you say to them?”
1:05:07 slow clap for maia
1:05:14 outro (check out maia’s channel for part 2 ua-cam.com/video/skk0-tNtvkI/v-deo.htmlsi=uGFlOCPv4p-ouQO9)
I lost both my younger brothers to suicide, one was 20 years ago and the other was 2 years ago.
It's really disgusting how ya'll use suicide as an emotional blackmail tool.
Have you ever thought about that?
@mr.mclibtard5015 When did one of these women say anything about that?
What city was that? That was the West Coast Progressive city where you grew up so if one of your parents is from the former Soviet union, and now you live here then he would be anti-communist because they left. There would be no reason to leave if they were comfortable with a communist lifestyle.
@@mattikarosenthal3298my post Soviet parent isn’t explicitly anti- communist. This parent just sees their childhood as their childhood, and thinks that American youth are too spoiled by excess. This parent of mine simply sees the benefits and drawbacks of different ways of life and isn’t explicitly for or anti, but rather applies a nuanced analysis to life situations and forms of governance and economy.
@@Lemonadebro don't pretend it's never used, what you're doing is called gaslighting
I crossdresssed in private from my parents and liked makeup and such, but when my mom saw pictures, i had taken of myself crossdressed, i panicked and said i was trans. I regret that now. The social transition really doesn't prepare you for what the medical transition will do. I socially transitioned at 16 and medically at 18 and detransed at 20. I think i made a whole new person in transition with their own feelings, ushally i did this with crossdressing now it was me 24 7 and i was also very scared to grow up as a man, i didnt have any male role models i could relate to and didnt like toxic maslinity, was a total feminist and thought men caused all the problems and i would cause problems if i became one i didnt like anything overly Stereotypically masculine exspeshally the style, i still dont, i like to present myself more feminine so there's some truth to this big scam and i wish i could get the years back i missed with my best friend and my chest back to normal but nothing isnt always fair, thats why i do detrans gender critical content for my own piece of mind. After i detransion, i got my voice back, my facial back, and realized i can be fine with what nature gave me, i can still have a feminine side, and it's taught me a lot.
The world needs to keep affirming that we all have complex identities with a mixture of all sorts of qualities, which are often arbitrarily labeled as male or female according to cultural stereotypes. If one takes the Trans route - sure it is quite the learning experience, quite the adventure - but the ticket price is very high and you don't always get a return trip to where you started physically. It might be better explored in a REALISTIC not glorified virtual reality - rather than IRL. The world needs more men who are really in touch with their "feminine" as a natural part of who they are - and the same for women who want to embrace "masculine" qualities - and then just mixing things up whenever and however. Trans takes a stereotypical perspective of masculine and feminine and shoves people into them, forcing them to limit themselves more than if they allowed themselves the freedom to just explore. Unfortunately - many children growing up in conservative environments will experience bullying for being "non-traditional" while those from progressive homes may be groomed into being trans. The result being both kids from the extremes of the political spectrum feel they have no OTHER way of expressing or exploring their identity BUT to transition. How progressive is it - to force oneself into a very defined gender fantasy, instead of truly inventing oneself?
@@lizadeeza Excellent comment. Agree that the best idea for most is the integration of masculine and feminine characteristics.
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"was a total feminist and thought men were the problem of everything" so you weren't a feminist 💀
@Doggcereal I'm no longer a feminist actally, and my views changed. I'm starting to think men and women both have struggles because of sexism.
Thank you, Elle, so much for having me on!
Genial podcast! Crush is know abroad too, I'm from Chile and we have it here jeje
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i love her admission of the egotism of children leads to the situation of "I know better than my parents". especially the unsupported and unsupervised use of internet.
Because they do, it's not egotistical to say you know yourself better then your parents do. You know yourself better then anyone does, because you're the only one who is in your mind, we are only calling it "egotistical" because parents don't see their children as 'full' people but just extensions of themselves .
I knew who I was when I was 14, I knew I wasn't trans, and I still am not now, so why is the opposite that hard to fathom?
@@Doggcerealoh come on. Children don’t know themselves at 14. You knew you weren’t trans because that’s the case for the vast majority of people that does not mean you knew yourself.
@@ALT-vz3jn children do know themselves at 14, I don't know where you live but here in Europe children drink alcohol, smoke and even can legally have sex at that age.
Let's stop pretending like teenagers are stupid, their frontal lobe isn't fully developed but your child getting a haircut isn't the end of the world, it's not like you just go "mom I'm trans" and they take you into the operating room and chop your boobs off because you said so lmfao
@@ALT-vz3jnappeal to the masses fallacy
Also really dude denying someone's claim simply because it doesn't agree with your point of view
@@ALT-vz3jnso by your argument if the majority of people were trans you would be too?
"Life is not challenging enough for most people" - I think this sums up the modern world perfectly!
I want to give both of you a big hug. Thanks for being so open and sharing your experiences.
As a 74 year old, really I am! I loved your tag team discussion. More please. Two brilliant women just talking about their lives. I have been with Elle from her you tube beginnings.
Elle, you have come so far. I look forward to you greatness in the world.
I'm a 37y/o non-gender conforming pansexual woman that's never really been able to talk about or process these types of things because I grew up in an extremely conservative town. As an adult, I live in one of the most progressive cities in my state, so I've been able to figure out a lot of things that I could never put words to growing up, and I find myself learning more and more with every video that I watch of yours. Thank you (You, Elle, and Maia!) for putting your thoughts, ideas, knowledge and experiences out there for everyone to be able to learn from. Your perspective is invaluable and I appreciate every video. Thanks, again, from the bottom of my heart for helping this "old lady" learn more about herself everyday.
It saddens me that women and girls are told that by the gender/trans activists, they are something that is not the norm or they don't conform to what is expected from a female. Women and girls don't realize this belief is sexist. It's misogynist thinking. Be your own kind of woman and girl. If you are a tomboy, if you are a butch lesbian, or an athlete, assertive, out spoken, work in a traditionally male job or hobby or sport, you are your own kind of woman or girl. You aren't male, or non conforming, or out of place, or even weird. Gender theroy and trans and gender ideology are misogynist and appear too want to erase female identity. Only males are women and girls according to that ideology. You don't need lables. You are perfect as you are. Be your own kind of woman and girl.
So nice to see two intelligent, articulate young adults speaking honestly and candidly about this important issues. There is hope for the future!
The conversation Maia had around crushes is the most autistic conversation ever. 😅 I say this with love as an AUDHD person.
I'm 23 y.o, I have always been a girl who, although I have a fairly feminine appearance, my behavior is not so much, I was always quite tomboyish even from a young age, even when I was younger I questioned if I really was a girl or a boy because of the stuff that I liked that wasn't categorized as "Female stuff". After watching videos about ppl transitioning the thing in my mind got worse, Fortunately, the matter did not progress further, plus I am a person with an average economy in a country where it would be impossible to pay for hormones or a sex change surgery, and I was worried also about telling my mom but I don't even imagine what would have happened if my mom had put me or let me be into all this kind of ideology and hormones and so on, it would have been a disaster.
I'm pretty fine now about being a woman with my not that feminine side
Be your own kind of woman.
misogyny trying to make us believe that the things we enjoy are not meant for females, then the internet telling us that that's true and we are actually boys in girls bodies. when truly we just are women who are human beings. :c
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not having a ‘feminine’ side.
This 👆🏼 is what Ive felt too afraid to admit wondering about the recent obsession with having to subscribe oneself to being within one or the other camps wholly and solely vs. just accepting the elements of the other within your gender assigned at birth without accepting pressure for having to conform? Especially not at so young of an age, we're living in a ridiculous chapter of history.
So you didn't realize that being transgender is about what you are not what you like?
If you watched videos of trans people I have a hard time believing the term wasn't ever defined for you
I had gender dysphoria as a young child and it mostly went away during puberty. I feel bad for trans people who genuinely would benefit from transitioning even at a young age but puberty blockers scare me solely because puberty is when I mostly grew out of mine. Of course I still have thoughts but for the overwhelming majority of the time I love being a woman. I am a lesbian (which is typical for women who out grow gender dysphoria) and seeing masculine lesbians has helped me a lot with the thoughts I get so I am glad yall touched on that. I can still feel masculine while being a woman and it something I have to remind myself of.
Elle, it’s so great to see you back on UA-cam! It looks like you are feeling better and finding your way. Both of you are so eloquent and have really important voices in this conversation.❤
Fascinating discussion - you both have such a beautiful take on mental illness, struggle, change... Sometimes it's easy to feel sad about feeling sad haha but you both put a positive, poetic spin on it. Thanks! xx
I'm really happy I found you. My child recently said they wanted to transition. They are 12yo and I'm convinced she's masking body image issues and this is an extension to an eating disorder. Thank you for giving a voice to an alternative perspective.
I want to send you my love. I can relate more than I can say. Let me know if you ever need extra support.
a late comment but maybe it will still find you. i'd highly recommend a podcast called gender: a wider lens. the hosts are mental health professionals and talk a lot about how families can deal with the situation you're in. wishing your family strength and health ❤
Amazingly nuanced and heartfelt insights, this is the kind of conversation from this generation and perspective I've been eager to listen to recently. You're both very sensible and articulate women and your voices are so illuminating and necessary. Thank you for sharing them here. ❤
People in countries who havent experienced Communism but consider themselves Communist to me is just a joke, we in Germany still celebrate the end of Communism with all of our hearts each year.
I knew several Germans that mourn the fall of the wall, not everyone thinks the same as you.
smudgy, there will always be a few that desire the harm to others for their own personal gain
@Smudgyglasses they aren't old enough to have lived through it. Communists in Europe don't know it and don't remember it and their elders are ashamed
@@Willowtree82 You misunderstand. It's usually the ones who did live through it that wish it would return. You should go outside your bubble sometime.
@@Smudgyglassesmy father was German, born in 1945, and when he was in college he was discriminated HORRIBLY by his professor because he was born on the other side of the wall. People that were okay with things that way are hateful people, much like racists (basically the same thing..hating people because of one singular thing that shouldn't matter). Take the civil war...the people who WANTED to keep things seperate are the same people that didn't want to abolish slavery. And they HATED northerns or "Yankees" and still to this day there are southerners who HATE northerners and still call us Yankees and discriminate against us. Which is rediculous after all this time. I have an experience as a CHILD where I was treated horribly in a man's store and he called me a Yankee (being a kid, I said..no I'm from Philly, so it's the Phillies 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️) and he said quite a few mean things before he called me a Yankee. Once I said the thing about the Phillies, he realoses I was just a kid ho didn't know anything...so he started to try to "educate me" until an adult intervened. I remember it being such an awful experience and couldn't understand as a young child how any stranger could treat somebody different that way. I don't remember everything he said, nor did I understand it all (although I did try to defend "my people") but I will never forget how that manade me feel. Ams anybody who misses that wall in Germany- they are the SAME WAY. Communism is evil and DOESNT WORK. Speak to people who have escaped communism. Watch a video of somebody sharing thwir experiences of what life was lioe for them in North Korea or Cuba or somewhere else. There is a really great video of one woman from Borth Korea sharing her experiences in an interview and I think she made a channel too. THAT is worth watching and listening to. Communism has not ever and will never succeed.
I socially transitioned at 15, right after a scene phase 💀
I believe finding trans ppl on UA-cam dug up memories when I was a kid 10y/o? telling my parents “I’m a boy” or something, except I don’t even remember it, I only remember how at Christmas one year my family brought up the memory and joked about how I cut my bangs off (trauma has a lot of memories foggy)
I know around that age I was a bit of a “copy cat” liking everything my sister and my friends were interested in. Unsure if something influenced me on suddenly being a boy or not lol
But when I remembered all of that and learning about trans ppl, I decided “I’m trans, my entire life I tried to fit in”
I went from wanting to start T as soon as I get a job, to life is expensive I can wait, and now I’m realizing I don’t need to I guess? Sometimes I get gender envy but the fear of not looking how others look on T keeps me from it lol
At work i don’t go by indigo bc of conflict with past jobs, even though I don’t like my birth name in the slightest. My close family calls me indy (bc calling me a color probably feels weird to them lmao) and are accepting, though my mom is hoping I’ll go back
I don’t think I will end up socially detransitioning though, I am most comfortable being androgynous. I haven’t binded in years tho bc my ribs/back suffered and I’m glad I hadn’t started on T after finding your channel Elle.
Overall just happy where I’m at with my identity, non-binary, and glad I didn’t make the mistake of starting T
It’s very interesting hearing your story and you should bring more detransitioners on your channel! More people should be made aware of this
what's an scene phase??? Sorry I'm from Chile😅
@@Alimon96 son una tribu urbana o subcultura, como los Pokemones (no son iguales pero hay elementos estéticos que la cultura pokemona tomó del Scene)
@@Kazelita ahh entiendo, mil gracias Kazelita
@@Alimon96 I wore black eyeshadow and had long hair with swoopy bangs covering my eyes 🤣 (kinda like my profile picture on here but longer 💀 I have a mullet now)
Maia is so funny and deeply insightful. I can not wait to see, hear or read her developing theories and concepts, that will surly shed light to this current point in time.
I appreciate what Maia said about her parents intellectually, but not emotionally, engaging around big topics with her. It seems like a very important point, especially in this conversation, that children are nurtured to emotionally mature.
Yeah, I definitely feel you on the rumination thing. It’s not meant to be that we sit all day and wonder why life sucks (hugely me lol, it’s awful) but yeah :((
I love Maia so much, I’m heading straight over to her channel to watch part 2. …Love you, too, Elle!
Your comment made my day! Thank you
This was a wonderfully insightful and hopeful conversation. I wish the very best to each of you.
I did enjoy your dialog with your friend, 'Maia Poet.' There was mention of lacking familiarity with social clues. There were clear indications of obsessive interests from both of you. Those are often associated with aspies, like me. The corruptions brought about by the internet and social media was hinted at. Most people prefer to immerse themselves in information sources that tend to reinforce the worldview that they already have a predilection for. The internet allows one to go anywhere with that and to almost any depth, something that was far harder to do in the past. If one speculates the earth is flat one can find numerous arguments on the internet that will allow one to confirm such speculations and give the proponent a sense of being very special with special insights. Most humans have a craving to find evidence that indicates that there is something very special and unique about them. While using the internet I've learned to always be aware that such factors serve as a strong draw for numerous people. Though some young people may consider medically transitioning their gender due to obsessive immersion into those who found it was the right path into later adulthood we should never forget the stories of very young kids and their parents who persistently said that the kid didn't behave anything like their siblings as early as age three, long before they were deeply immersed in the socialization of gender norms.
Elle, thanks for this sit down with Maia! She is a smart woman. Very enlightening chat, especially the fact that neither one of you had a female role model to positively influence you.
Thank you Elle and Maia for your eloquent and thoughtful approach to this topic. Thanks Elle for introducing me to Maia, digitally. Keep shedding light on the truth brave souls!
You two are an excellent compliment to one another in the art of conversation. I would like to listen to you two again in another match covering a broad range of subjects. You are both curious, articulate, and have skill with your ability to sustain interesting dialogue.
New video! Your introduction in the beginning was so funny. Thank you for speaking out on these issues when the rest of us are unable to! I am a gay man and have been impacted by all the wild LGBT shit going on here. Maia's point at 28:30 was so salient! In lieu of culture or religion, people have attached themselves to the trans movement. I was fortunate to have hobbies before I figured out I was gay, so LGBT never became my be-all end-all. Sadly, I have friends today who would cut me out if they knew I disagreed some of the liberal antics in regards to LGBT people. I am sick of being treated like a monolith, a political pawn in the oppression olympics.
Awesome, I reeeeeally enjoyed your conversation. Learned a lot by just listening :) I don't know why but this video somehow had euro vibes to it, maybe because of the very articulated and nuanced opinions. Or maybe it was just the marx reference in the beginning, that reminded me a lot about how people in college talk over here.
where are you from? i want to find more likeminded people :)
@@ellepalmer heeey Elle 👋
I'm from Germany actually, going to college there! :)
Wish I was notified! But I thought about you and looked you up, and I'm here now! Happy you've uploaded since the last time I visited your channel and that I have this video, the part two, and another video to watch! I'm going through a really...very bad depression...and I need all the content and distraction I can get! 💓💗❤️
Maia, I would listen to you talk abt awkward baby lesbian stories & illuminating detrans activism while sewing for eternities untold
Seriously cannot give you enough standing ovations. Your observations on various ways ppl are roped into gender transition are so brilliantly put. (my enjoyment of your discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you being a dreamy dapper lesbian nuh uh no way)
The last half of your comment had me blushing! Thank you for the kind comment
Videos like this make me feel less bad I waited so long to transition. I absolutely waited until I was both sure, healthy, able, and lived a life I can be happy with as my assigned gender.
Y'all make so many great points about culture, etc, though
Your gender is not assigned. You are born a sex, male or female. Doctors dont assign sex or gender. That is a lie the gender activists have demanded the public and medicine use.
Maia, thanks for openly sharing - I felt what you articulated at 54:44 was so important to your narrative and may help so many others. Thank you both for sharing your stories.
42:35 Adidas tracksuits are the most Eastern European thing too, it's a stereotype about Russian-Israelis as well. Can't wait for part 2!
אה זה בערוץ של מאיה? עפתי לראות
יש לי ערוץ
@MaiaPoet
Love Maia and her intellect. Great conversation. X
Wow! Both of you are incredibly insiteful, wise, elequent, and enlightened at such a young age! Wonderful! Keep at it. You are helping so many women and girls. Both of you are inspiring. 🎉
We know that there are people that detransition and regret transitioning just like we know there are people who regret having children
Weaponizing your experiences to limit the happiness of the many because YOU were wrong is pretty fucked
The vast majority of good faith detransitioners recognize the good transition Healthcare is and are willing to admit they were wrong in XYZ way but heres the kicker alot of them still identify as transgender despite regretting the medical transition
The humour in this podcast is absolute gold. And listening to this at two times the speed makes it even funnier lol
Loved this .. insightful, respectful and wise dialogue easy to engage with... off now to watch part 2 😀
You both are amazing women! Thank you! I wish you could do school tours!! We need both of you voices!!❤
Excellent video. Already shared it on my Twitter feed (must see viewing for certain folks who I’m legally allowed to identify at the moment).
Thank you for this discussion both of you are very intelligent and articulate so beautifully. Smart beautiful strong women. Much love and support or on your journeys forward 🍓
It happened that I was able to take part in Native American ceremonies. The oral teaching from people with experience. Also being together where everyone can experience themselves. There were people from all cultures and races there (intertribal). The women who are sometimes among themselves and exchange female ideas. This is an environment where you can learn what it means to be a human being. Basics such as what is female and can give birth and what is male and cannot give birth. This body congestion brings with it some challenges. That women have menstrual cramps. They are in their cycle every month. Indians call it moon time. That they have children or that they may have a miscarriage. Or abortion. That women have to cope with these life situations. When the women are among themselves they can support each other with such problems. But the men also know that women have to cope with such things.
(But also that there are children who are different. This can also affect sex and gender) That you should accept them as they are. (no ideology of hormones and mental disorder etc.) The cultures of the Native Americans were almost all matriarchally organized. These are also matriarchal men who have great respect and admiration for women. This idea is not stored in our memory. It is a different social organization. The Indians say that patriarchy is the wrong pattern of humanity. It is based on fear and control. The Indians (indigenous american indians)
say this in order to establish balance on earth. The social organization should be changed. To a sustainable one. The patriarchy is a self-destructive social organization that is bringing us to the brink of existence. The wisdom of women is lacking.
You are two smart cookies. So bright and introspective. I love listening to you and wish you would do more videos.
Gosh I want so many young people to see this.
I literally would watch her making bow ties talking about detransitioning …just me? 🤣
not just you, lol
Love that one of Maia’s special interests is acromegaly. Mine too ❤
No way!!! I’ve never met another one
@@MaiaPoet really?? 😂 well hello!
There’s a first time for everything!
This was a very interesting conversation. Thank you! ✨
You are both looking beautiful!!! And dapper!
Thank you, kids, for all you are doing so are younger ones can hear about the other side of the coin. Thank you.
Great conversation. Thanks for sharing.
I love your cat :)
I’m only a few seconds in but girl your HAIR 😍
this was so great!
Glad to see a new video
They should show yuri bezmenov lecture in schools for a balanced view
Lenin’s State and Revolution is a fantastic read too.
The oogle-eyed creature wearing the vest looks like their from the old SNL sketch "Its Pat".
Great video, very insightful information. It's useful to understand the perspectives of a detransitioned individual ❤
Amazing interview
Love you❤ Nice mic.🎉
It's beautiful to see how you are thriving and the new feminism that is emerging.
So insightful thank you
You two are adorable together. The sexual tension is strong lol.
side note:did you dye your hair cuz it looks great on you,and your eyes ,OMG!!!
Elle’s eyes are truly amazing! You’re very much correct
@@MaiaPoet wait are you israeli
Yes
love seeing you elle
Dear girls, you're both two beautiful women, still in the road of finding where you come from. Just go to your bedroom and talk to Him. Ask Him, please God tell me who am I?
Maia is great.
Great story!
Some of us were communists because we were only happy if others were happy too.
You're not being ironic are you? You really were like this.
Great talk!
I just stumbled upon this and need some clarity. Are you trying to invalidate the trans experience and identity as a whole, or are you saying that you specifically just aren't trans and are telling your story?
We say exactly what we mean. We invite you to watch the video rather than relying on the title as a summary of an hour long in depth discussion
@MaiaPoet I watched about 20 minutes of it and wanted more clarity because it's not clear at that point. It seems like you're invalidating the trans identity and experience as a whole, which is why I stopped watching and asked. Your answer seems to indicate the same since you couldn't just answer the question with a direct answer.
@@MaiaPoetIf you didn’t mean what the title said why title the video in such a way though? If you’re against the trans community don’t hide from it, it’s a normal worldview to have
@@daniebright7264 don't waste your time, you're wasting braincells arguing with Zionists 💀
communism?? yeah no
free palestine tho
I agree. Free Palestine from Hamas!
@@MaiaPoet nah this didn't start in october, this started in 1948
You’re right- the year when the surrounding Arab countries tried to wipe Israel off the face of the map because they refused a Jewish presence in the region (no matter how small)- and FAILED miserably. War isn’t fair. There are winners and losers. Israel won because the Arab countries who invaded it, had a bad strategy
@@MaiaPoet stop lying and deleting my comments hasbara agent
@@MaiaPoet fix your eyes too lmao
wonderful show, thank you girls for sharing, if I come across any confused adolescents I shall be sending them to this video:)
Great job weaponizing your experiences
I think you are both brilliant and brave and I have learned something about Gen Z today (I'm on the oldest end of Gen X). There is great hope for our future, if people like you take the lead. Many blessings to both of you.
Narcs
This was so good!