How I Put in my Corn - Seed Rate and Fertilizer Rate | Dream Farm w/ Bill Winke
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- You don't have to own fancy equipment to plant corn. My planter is an old beater and I know guys that use super old Buffalo planters and get great stands of corn each year. The key is to get the seed at the right depth, at the right rate and with the right amount of fertilizer.
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Congratulations on the Trojan's season coach! I have a close relative that was involved with track and football with a rival school up to a couple years ago. Hope you get some rain to go along with that seed you put in the ground, getting dry down here.
Thanks Keith. We had a few things that didn't go our way at the state meet, but it was a very good season overall. We have had plenty of rain this year. Everything is growing really well. Have a great day.
THANKS BILL FOR ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO..GREAT INFORMATION. WILL TRY Broadcasting corn.
Let us know how it goes. You need to get it to a depth of about 1/2 to 1 inch, if possible. Also, be careful not to put it in too thick. One bag of corn should do roughly three acres. Good luck.
What I've done broadcasting a corn and bean mix is spread the fertilizer and seed then I have a atv disc which I do 2 passes to get it to a good depth 1.5-2".then roll it with a lawn roller for good seed to soil contact
You could up that seeding rate to 33-35k easily. Even 38. And if you got a TND soil test and Haney Test, you’d be able to see what nutrients are in your soil and how to unlock them. Save yourself thousands on fertilizer. I didn’t use N on my corn at all. Microbes, not synthetic fertilizer. 👍
I will have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion and the comment. Have a great day. I do think I will get a lot of benefit from turning down the tons of regrowth from the brassicas I broadcast into those plots late last summer.
25k is a good rate actually on the higher side since I believe he’s using 36-40 inch rows. On narrow rows ( 30inch ) 33k and up would be good.
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Thanks Edward. Same to you.
I planted 3 acres of beans in sept last year. What a mistake that was. Man they ate them in 2 weeks. Moderate density and on a pumpkin farm full of clovers.
Deer love beans and when they are the only thing that is in the early stages of growth (everything else is maturing at that time) they get hammered. If you want something to hunt over early season it would be hard to beat month old beans. But like you said, they will be gone very quickly.
Great video bill. So you think corn is better than brassicas and wheat and rye?
For late season yes. Deer will go past everything to get corn when it is cold. But other times of the year, I would not necessarily say that. Deer do love corn, but they love other stuff too. I think corn will always be part of my food plot mix because of how attractive it is late in the season. Good luck.
Last year you mentioned that the deer were favoring Milo. Will you be planting milo plot?
I will do a video on that next. Yes, I planted about 2 1/2 acres of sorghum this year.
Bill,
When you say "160". Do you mean pounds? Thanks
In fertilizer lingo that means "units per acre" which translates into pounds of active material per acre. For example, if you want 150 pounds of nitrogen per acre you need 300 pounds of urea per acre since urea is only 50% active nitrogen. It says the % percentage of active right on the bag. I did a short video on this topic last year. Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/SoxooVoe4VQ/v-deo.htmlsi=WDVqRI--Jf1g6A2Z
Do you go back and top dress nitrogen later on? Also, do you spray glyphosate for weeds at a certain point?
I don't top dress. My full rate of nitrogen is in the ground usually before I plant. Sometimes I will spread after the corn is up, but only if I know there is a rain coming. That works fine as long as you use the full rate and get it into the ground (either disking in or via the rain) and not let it sit on top. Spraying: I wait until the weeds get thick enough to start interfering with growth before I spray. That way I can probably get by with only spraying once. If you spray before or right after you plant, you will likely have to spray again just before the corn starts to canopy. However, if it is really dry, I spray much sooner because the weeds rob moisture. In that case, I will likely have to spray twice. Good luck.
Have you ever experimented with bean/corn mix? With your setup, I would be interested to see alternating every 2 or 3 rows between the 2
That is a good idea. I have never tried that, but putting them both in the same plot would be interesting. Makes fertilizing tough though as the corn needs nitrogen and the beans don't. I have planted sorghum and corn in the same plot a number of times because both use the same fertilizer blend. Good input.
Way to go Bill! Corn is king for whitetail deer. I have a few strange thoughts to share this time. First, I appreciate you calling the parts of your farm food plots rather than kill plots and I recognize why you plant which is to keep the deer healthy. Second, here is an abstract thought about urea. It always amazes me that Urea is a standard in farming, but we treat human waste like it is the devil without realizing its the same thing. Tons of farm-sourced urea gets spread on fields not to mention the waste from farm free-range animals on the landscape without any concern. I believe this is a good practice and not harmful. Milwaukee actually processes human waste into urea for farming and has made a revenue source rather than a cost like most wastewater treatment plants. Third, I like Joel Salatin's way of self-sustaining farming and land conservation free from processed fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides.
Paul, I think that fertilizer is called milorganite. It has been around for a while, just probably not as much demand as there should be because of the negative stigma. But, if the demand is there, capitalism will find a way to fill it. I need to study more of these alternative farming methods - I will look him up. I live in an area where big ag is king. NO ONE does those things because either the infrastructure is not in place to support it, or it is not efficient or productive enough. That is not to say that we can't mess with it on a small scale on food plots. I will learn more. Have a great day.
Bill my w.i. soil sample said i needed lot more k, so added what they suggested in my beans I'm planning on over seedling brassicas in August do I have to add more fertilizer?
Just some nitrogen (urea). I would wait until the brassicas pop up so you know you aren't wasting your money and then spread the urea before a rain so it goes right into the ground. That system works really well. I used Winter-Greens for my brassica blend when I went into beans last fall and it worked really well. Good luck.
I feel Sudan grass followed by a trical seeding once Sudan browns. Sudan is toxic until frost. Due to high acid content, this stops plot eating until frost. The winter wheat grows all winter and loves pressure from deer. Winter wheat is highly palletable to deer. For me, small plots less than a couple acres this combo is a win all around. Have you tried this combo? The only con is Sudan is so thick deer tend to bed in it.
No, in fact, I never even knew that deer ate Sudan grass. Never even heard of anyone using it in a plot before. I will have to look into that. Very interesting. Thanks for the comment.
Would love to try the broadcast method of planting corn one day. What's the smallest corn plot you would plant to avoid it getting wiped out in your area?
In the density I have here, I think I could go down to an acre on corn. That might be sketchy on beans because the deer seem to like beans better, but an acre might still work if it grows fast enough. The real trouble with beans comes when it gets dry and they stop growing and the deer just keep eating them down and the beans can't outgrow them. In a good year, I do think an acre would work here. Not in southern Iowa though! I needed at least two acres (three was better) of either of them for survival. Anything smaller you needed to fence to keep the deer out during the summer. Good luck.
Quick question, im interested in your experience with damage from other animals such as raccoons, opposum, skunk, or any others. Have they seemed to make any noticeable damage? Also, what size plot for corn would be too small? Thanks! There is more to corn than i realized. I've been thinking about trying some so very good information.
Clay, I have had a problem with raccoons in the past in corn. That comes about the times the ears start filling in and the coons eat the ears. I am not sure the best prevention. If the plot is small enough I believe you can run a hot wire low to the ground to shock them and that works. On bigger fields, you almost need to nuisance trap them. I know some people run radios but after the first day or two that stops working. If you have moderate deer numbers, one acre is about the smallest I would try. If you have a lot of deer, then really anything bigger, two acres works as long as it is a good growing season and the corn grows fast. I have seen deer wipe out cornfields in the summer if it gets really dry, but that was in areas with high deer numbers.
@bill-winke Awesome thank you! I know for a fact that our deer density is extremely high. Will have to work on that probabaly this year.
How did you get free seed?
Called around to people who I know that plant food plots and asked if they of any sources. They pointed me toward places they knew about including one seed dealer who had several bags of leftover "sample" seed that they give out to farmers to try. It might take you a couple years to find your sources but as I mentioned, seed companies can't sell it the second year. So any seed left after the selling season they have to find a home for. Often it goes to conservation groups like Pheasants Forever and sometimes even the county DNR offices. I got most of my seed in southern Iowa through the DNR. You just have to start asking around.
that seems like a pretty low population is that just to stretch it farther?
I always thought 25,000 was standard ag level. I planted between 25,000 and 28,000. I don't think that is low. If the corn all germinates (which it has) I will get really big ears at that population. If you go too heavy you need to add a lot more nitrogen. I think the average population for Iowa is 32,000. At that level, I bet you need close to 200 pounds per acre of nitrogen to get a good crop. We will look at mine in a couple months and compare it to the ag fields nearby. Should be interesting.
@@bill-winkeisu recommends 32-34.5 thousands more ears yields better then fewer real big ears and more plants shade out your weeds. There are N calculators to figure out your optimal rate. I know its just for deer but some stuff to think about
@@bill-winkewe normally plant 32-36k on 30" rows in ND
@@caseytrzpuc9269 here in SE Iowa 34.5-36 is pretty standard
Love these videos, keeps my head in he game in the off season!
Thanks
Thanks Robert. We appreciate the support and the comment.
Why All Corn,,,, What about the soybeans... ??????? Beans add a huge amount of Proteins to the deers diet,,,, i guess you could go with some turnips for late winter forage as well.
He said in the last 20 seconds that beans were going in next
I plant corn, beans, sorghum, clover and brassicas. Too much material for one episode so I am breaking it up over several.
Another good video. Here in Northern Minnesota I plant corn and beans also. They are not grown here by the ag community much as it is mostly grass hay. The neighboring beef rancher started having me plant 20 acres for him now for feed! Lol so my hobby turned to a job.
The deer here won’t eat the corn much if it’s standing. They can’t seem to figure out the husk. So we have to run it over or mow it before they will find the cobs and eat it.
I had a buddy put in 45lbs soy beans to 8 lbs corn. Mixed them. Then put red clover and wheat over the top in August. Turned out good for him. Tony lapratt suggested it to him.
Interesting concept, any idea roughly when he would plant it?
@@ericvangorp608 mid may.
@@ericvangorp608 mid may. Mix the 2 together. You don't want rows.
My only issue is the fact that the corn will kind of shade out the soybeans during the summer, but maybe the corn is not thick enough to do that. Also, you will need different fertilizer for the corn (nitrogen) than the soybeans. That could be an issue, but maybe the corn in that mix is just thick enough to get all the nitrogen. It makes some sense, but I like the simplicity of just planting a specific crop in each plot. If you want both corn and beans, you just break the plot up into two parts. I feel that I have more control over those variables when I am doing it that way. Overseeding August works well if there is sunlight to the ground. That will work best in the beans. It is worth trying, but be sure you also get the plot size right for that mix. I am not sure, but I would say that is roughly the rate for an acre plot. Worth messing with, I guess.
@@bill-winke something I would like to talk to tony lapratt about