THIS is proof that Michael Jackson COULDN'T sing the SAME thing twice!

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  • Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
  • Tonight we're getting into the details of pitch by looking at Michael Jackson singing the same line... SIX times!
    Original Video - • RARE Michael Jackson r...
    TIME STAMPS -
    0:00 Intro
    2:45 Michael's 6 Vocal Takes
    4:48 'We Are'
    8:36 Take Randomisation
    11:04 The Timing Issue
    12:21 The Final Principle
    13:00 The ‘I Can Nail It!’ Theory
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  • @thegrimreefer3185
    @thegrimreefer3185 Місяць тому +175

    Actually I have a new appreciation for Mr.Jackson's singing ability after seeing this. Of course no one can naturally sing the same thing identically multiple times, unless they're a robot. But the fact that he was able to get this close is truly impressive.

    • @robcmore2004
      @robcmore2004 Місяць тому +25

      He is one of the few artists to be rated as a star level vocalist in the "pop" world, I actually think many of the critics in media often dismiss him as an actual musician but those that worked with him say he was absolutely a musician, even if not in the traditional sense.

    • @portal432
      @portal432 Місяць тому +5

      That tone, it’s incredible

    • @danieleb6863
      @danieleb6863 Місяць тому +1

      @@robcmore2004true that

    • @kaylasmusic
      @kaylasmusic Місяць тому +4

      Actually its possible to do so a few times in a tow but obviously not every single time you sing. EVEN. If you have perfect pitch,…. Theres times where your voice can be off

    • @Silversmith70
      @Silversmith70 22 дні тому +1

      I think Don Henley can =) (Sarc)

  • @DiamondGirl-1234
    @DiamondGirl-1234 Місяць тому +217

    "And there we have it!" Irrefutable proof. Fil knows his stuff and can back it up. One of the best musical analysts on You Tube!

    • @curtmillermusic1929
      @curtmillermusic1929 Місяць тому +7

      Let’s see how he gets on….

    • @DanielByers-qf9qi
      @DanielByers-qf9qi Місяць тому +14

      And courteous, respectful, and generous: It is always a pleasure to hear his entertaining analysis.

    • @lawrencetaylor4101
      @lawrencetaylor4101 Місяць тому +2

      Yup.

    • @michaelstewart8723
      @michaelstewart8723 Місяць тому +2

      Perfecto Fil. This verifies, to the doubters, what you found during your analysis of the Eagles. To those who get it, we had no doubt you were correct in that analysis. I’m sure, especially among older artists, a lot of of them are lip syncing live shows. It’s not the legs that go first. It’s vocal range.

    • @marktait2371
      @marktait2371 Місяць тому +1

      yeh wop another viewer said the columbo of youtube and just by coincidence last sat. flipping channels johnny cash singing sundsy morning coming down on columbo rerun and just one more thing haha mate uk several years ago asked how ya gettin on

  • @missymurphy9996
    @missymurphy9996 Місяць тому +162

    I love your point that nobody can be pitch perfect every single time. You would have to be a robot to be pitch perfect every single time. Just because you’re not pitch perfect every time doesn’t mean that you’re not a great singer.

    • @fezzypepper8525
      @fezzypepper8525 Місяць тому +6

      I understand you 100% Fil. No worries ❤, and I"ve known this to be true for decades, even before the advent of pitch analysis. It just makes perfect sense. And the same would hold true for guitar, and for wind instruments such as saxophone and trumpet...it can never be the same twice.
      The greatest singers fully understand the need to bend a few cents north or south of perfect pitch to draw out the emotion. Frank Sinatra is an example.
      Best,
      Fezzy

    • @aranos6269
      @aranos6269 Місяць тому +3

      And what would be the point in being same over and over again???

    • @TRICK-OR-TREAT236
      @TRICK-OR-TREAT236 Місяць тому +1

      I KEEP TELLING MYSELF THAT.

    • @kelliintexas3575
      @kelliintexas3575 Місяць тому +1

      Elvis was 😊

    • @krollpeter
      @krollpeter Місяць тому +2

      I dare to differ.
      Bob Dylan can sing his lines every time absolutely the same way! Out of tune. Since 60 years. And we love him! 😁

  • @ladylouise1969
    @ladylouise1969 Місяць тому +62

    Thank you, Fil!! My daughter and I had the opportunity to see MJ in person, and it is a performance we will never forget!! What a great vocalist, and showman was he-he is sorely missed...

    • @theeXodusof730
      @theeXodusof730 Місяць тому +1

      What concert did you guys see.

    • @jadebel7006
      @jadebel7006 Місяць тому +2

      Not by all his vict!ms

    • @ladylouise1969
      @ladylouise1969 Місяць тому +2

      @@theeXodusof730 In Detroit

    • @skibidi.G
      @skibidi.G 26 днів тому +9

      ​@@jadebel7006 he never touched anyone, he was a victim himself.

    • @SRTHEMI
      @SRTHEMI 10 днів тому

      ​@@jadebel7006 what victims goof? The same ones who magically never went after him "criminally" & just wanted monetary gain? 🤡

  • @robertj.batista
    @robertj.batista Місяць тому +35

    MJ was known for being very good at creating his own harmonies. His voices coincided on top of each other and gave you that feeling that they all sounded exactly the same, his harmonies in Thriller, Liberian Girl and many other songs are incredible. It's even more interesting to make your harmonies sound this good, even if all the voices don't match perfectly.

    • @richardkovacs2006
      @richardkovacs2006 Місяць тому +3

      In fact it's the tiny differences, that give "body" to his harmonies.

    • @Gabrielle4870
      @Gabrielle4870 Місяць тому +1

      Exactly. I think it is quite possible that this was deliberate.

    • @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni
      @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni Місяць тому +1

      You should know that most autotune programs have a so-called humanizer to make the singing not quite perfect.I don't know whether he used it, but it would theoretically have been possible..He was still a great artist!😎

    • @Gabrielle4870
      @Gabrielle4870 28 днів тому +2

      @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni he didn't use it. To my knowledge the only track where his voice was genuinely manipulated, to my knowledge, was 2000 Watts, where they lowered the pitch of his voice several steps.

    • @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni
      @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni 28 днів тому +1

      @@Gabrielle4870 I don't know where you got this information from. If it is true, I must have been extremely mistaken.
      Nevertheless, I still think he was a brilliant artist!

  • @tammydoolittle6054
    @tammydoolittle6054 Місяць тому +55

    Hi Fil! I saw and heard the proof that it's impossible to sing the same song 100% exactly the same way each time you sing it, that the vocal frequencies won't allow it. How can anyone argue against that? It was an excellent analysis, and you are an awesome teacher. Rock!

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior Місяць тому +7

      Because there are people out there who will NEVER be 'confused' by facts and logic. C'mon, you know this. :-)

    • @richyalexander9206
      @richyalexander9206 Місяць тому +2

      Don Henley proves time after time that he can sing it exactly 100% the same way each and every time.

  • @PaulaJ.5595
    @PaulaJ.5595 Місяць тому +103

    So it‘s quite clear… MJ was singing WITHOUT pitch correction 👏👏👏 - the reason why 6 takes don‘t match up. Bravo, Michael👍🏼

    • @michaelharrington75
      @michaelharrington75 Місяць тому +23

      I think Michael Jackson would absolutely reject the option to use pitch correction.

    • @magneto7930
      @magneto7930 Місяць тому +12

      Even with pitch correction, 6 times or even a million times would never match up. It's impossible to reproduce precisely what you just sung or even said for that matter. Only by looping the same recorded phrase over and over again can it be done.

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior Місяць тому +3

      They wouldn't match up even WITH pitch correction, but they would be somewhat closer.

    • @jazmorrison9030
      @jazmorrison9030 Місяць тому +1

      When Michael would record Billie Jean it could take hrs by keep re recording over and over again to he was happy with the song there’s no big deal

    • @sharonjenkins2342
      @sharonjenkins2342 Місяць тому +3

      If we the public listened to and enjoyed Michael's music and I still do , then this guys words mean nothing to us and I for one don't want to listen to you anymore because it sounds a lot like your trying to put him down and discredit him and I don't like that .

  • @mattsmith3135
    @mattsmith3135 Місяць тому +26

    I watched the excellent documentary 'The Greatest Night in Pop' less than 10 hours ago, and when this exact scene with MJ appeared on it, I thought "this would be an excellent analysis video for Fil!". And here we are. Let's add 'mind-reading' to Fil's arsenal of special skills.

    • @jdenino6022
      @jdenino6022 Місяць тому

      I watched that a few weeks ago on Netflix. I also watched a documentary about “Creedence Clearwater Revival” yesterday on Netflix and I also watched a Billy Joel concert in Madison Square Garden on CBS in the U.S. last night. He was auto tuned but the show was great considering he’s 74 years old. The show was actually taped a few weeks ago and they then went and put auto tune on his voice.

  • @TheFtm22
    @TheFtm22 Місяць тому +51

    If you haven't seen the Netflix special, you should! It's an awesome special. So glad to see that MJ was what we all thought he was - brilliant!

    • @Tinuvielthefair
      @Tinuvielthefair Місяць тому +5

      It got me crying at points! I loved it!

    • @sunshinehoover4630
      @sunshinehoover4630 24 дні тому +1

      What Netflix special?

    • @Brunopuntzjones
      @Brunopuntzjones 20 днів тому +3

      @@sunshinehoover4630 the greatest night in pop. The source of the hilarious MJ memes where he is just observing in his sunglasses while everyone else butchers the song

  • @renny1712
    @renny1712 Місяць тому +36

    Professional as it can be. I love the intonation & the dynamic contrast MJ uses on the word 'are'. Then he slightly gulls back away...
    They knew exactly what they wanted out of the track...
    What a gentle voice he had...

  • @ericheine2414
    @ericheine2414 Місяць тому +28

    Itzhak Perlman- he said he never knew anybody who could play the same thing twice the same way. He said it was because between voicings they change as a person.

    • @jaychip1
      @jaychip1 Місяць тому +2

      Perlman was talking about interpreting the music differently each time on an emotional level. Even that is difficult. But to have it the same on the PHYSICAL level is impossible!

  • @carlmontney7916
    @carlmontney7916 Місяць тому +29

    Another great analysis Fil. This really shows what an incredibly great singer MJ really was. It's my guess that Michael was so good of a vocalist that he would be able to hear the tiny subtle differences in each time He sang something. Then he would go back and mix and match or pick the ones he liked.

  • @lindadescafano3749
    @lindadescafano3749 Місяць тому +15

    I got the chance to see MJ and his brothers perform back in the day. Stacy Lattisaw opened for them. Thanks Fil for sharing this. 😊🎸🎵

  • @antwaynetube
    @antwaynetube Місяць тому +36

    Fil, isn’t it worth mentioning that some of Michael’s contemporaries would not have bothered to sing six takes for a chorus? Not only would they let the computers create the chorus from one take, but they might fly that same performance in all over the track. Michael had a great voice and great ears. That variation in the chorus he created sounds very rich and human.

    • @aligensa
      @aligensa 26 днів тому

      MJ was terrible live, weak voice and off key, even in ballads.

    • @aligensa
      @aligensa 25 днів тому

      @@alnor1643 I said even ballads, so it wasn't due to the dancing.

    • @aligensa
      @aligensa 25 днів тому

      @@alnor1643 Shows that you actually don't know a thing about it!

    • @alnor1643
      @alnor1643 25 днів тому

      @@aligensa genius your voice will still be affected during ballads because of that dancing before hand. But please go off in your ignorance 😂👍. Clearly it shows you don’t know wtf you are talking about 👍. Now go watch your regurgitated music 👌

    • @aligensa
      @aligensa 25 днів тому

      @@alnor1643 I will! For example, I will listen to EXO's "Killing Voice" session. You are clueless and are just regurgitating others' false opinions.

  • @taccamine8312
    @taccamine8312 Місяць тому +32

    If they were the exact same there would have been no advantage in layerings. The subtle differences is what makes layerings sound bigger😁. But your point is to show that it is impossible to make to physical recordings look the exact same. Even analog instruments will "always" differ.

    • @bildregie6953
      @bildregie6953 Місяць тому +2

      That's the point. Like at the movies different takes are needed the pick the best. So that video isn't a proof. I'm totally convinced that it isn't possible to do the same waveform twice but it would be interesting to see someone really good give it a try. Sorry Fil no offense intended! ;-)

    • @taccamine8312
      @taccamine8312 Місяць тому +2

      the point of layering is that the small differences (especially in stereo) make our ears perceive it as more powerful. As when many violins in an orchestra (or voices in a choir) do the same melody in unison. Even from a purely academic, scientific point of view, it is impossible to replicate the exact same sound waves with living objects. Believe me. If it would happen within millions of small samples, it would still just be random and have nothing to do with skill

    • @DanielByers-qf9qi
      @DanielByers-qf9qi Місяць тому +3

      Yes: That is why Brian Wilson dubbed his lead vocals, and why Richard Carpenter layered their harmonies; no two takes are ever exactly the same.

    • @TynkaTopi
      @TynkaTopi Місяць тому

      And Fil only talked about note pitch and timing. There are many other things that cannot be reproduced, such as for example the volume/dynamics of a note and the mutual volume relationships of the note's overtones (which we interpret as tone of voice).

    • @victoriafisher1923
      @victoriafisher1923 Місяць тому

      @@bildregie6953 Honestly, I think this is as good a try as anyone could ever possibly attempt. It's a deliberate replication in a studio environment, focusing only on two words. A person under similar laboratory conditions if they did it dozens or hundreds more times times? ... they would probably be able to get closer, for sure. However, even if it looked the same in this relatively casual pitch analysis app (just something available on your phone, not designed for studio use), we'd be able to get our hands on something that showed pitch in more detail and see all-new variations popping up and we'd have to go back to the studio to record even more.
      But... why would we put a singer through this? We know that under any usual (e.g. performance) conditions, a real live performance would vary far more than this, even if they drilled themselves to be "perfect". We know that the only way to have a vocal performance that is literally the same months apart is to use a recording. Since we know many performers use recordings, this might be disappointing if you're a big fan, but it shouldn't be so unbelievable we have to see if it's possible under laboratory conditions and an infinite number of replications by a theoretically indefatigable singer singing a single phrase that's her best possible phrase in order to make absolutely sure.
      The other possibility is that Don Henley (and anyone else using identical vocals) is a sophisticated android (and became one in the last 6 years). This theory is as probable as the identical performances.

  • @Amit_l92
    @Amit_l92 Місяць тому +43

    Michael Jackson was an incredible vocalist.

  • @pemical35uk
    @pemical35uk Місяць тому +47

    " A vocal finger print" Sherlock Fil solves another case Da Dum Da Dum

  • @johnhewett9483
    @johnhewett9483 Місяць тому +21

    Very interesting.
    Also very interesting because michael is damn close. Very very accurate pitch wise.

    • @jaychip1
      @jaychip1 Місяць тому +8

      He is amazingly accurate each time. He is a freak! but even he will have a different waveform on any take.

  • @mikemathieson3700
    @mikemathieson3700 Місяць тому +8

    Everything you're saying Fil is awesome but even so it's amazing how pretty close and accurate MJ was here.
    Great video

  • @DonnaleaSpencer
    @DonnaleaSpencer Місяць тому +15

    To my little ears, his takes all sounded exactly the same save for one towards the end that he didn't carry on with. The system shows us they are, in fact, all unique.

  • @debbier938
    @debbier938 Місяць тому +11

    Hi Fil,
    I loved this analysis today. And from what I understand Michael was a perfectionist. So it’s not surprising he would do six takes of a four word phrase, to capture the sound he was looking for. And this is a great example that you simply can’t sing a phrase, chorus/4 words/notes the same way every time. They will all be relatively close, but not the same. Good job on this video today. I think you really proved again you can’t sing the same thing twice the same way unless it is a recording. You Are The Best! Debbie ☮️

    • @jaychip1
      @jaychip1 Місяць тому +1

      Michael did six takes of the WHOLE chorus. Fil just showed us the first four words so it wouldn't take forever.

  • @Y49life
    @Y49life Місяць тому +3

    The title is a little bit negative in my opinion. It doesn’t matter, nobody is as creative as Michael Jackson and he has so much talent, nobody comes close. That will never happen that’s for sure ! ❤

  • @PieterPatrick
    @PieterPatrick Місяць тому +29

    If he can't do that, nobody can.

  • @reichensperger1847
    @reichensperger1847 Місяць тому +5

    And of course, this is why the early Beatles double-tracked their vocals: precisely because those minor variations in pitch & timing gave a fuller sound. And the Beatles, who were great singers, were trying their damndest to sing the identical notes -- and couldn't quite get it right. Which is what makes their vocals so resonant and strong.

  • @infinitejest.4994
    @infinitejest.4994 24 дні тому +3

    Michael Jackson was one in a lifetime of talent. Loved this anthem as well. All of the musicians I grew up with.

  • @jstarzz3780
    @jstarzz3780 28 днів тому +5

    One thing about IT One would always recognize Michael's voice ❤

    • @alnor1643
      @alnor1643 25 днів тому +2

      💯👌 exactly… so many people are good singers but they all sound the same, boring. His voice is one you recognize at the first note and that’s what makes him an artist and master vocalist.

  • @vinceburris2538
    @vinceburris2538 Місяць тому +13

    Thanks Fil. Your videos are always fun and educational.

  • @LFOVCF
    @LFOVCF Місяць тому +4

    I'm just going to say that even though there were minuscule differences, to anyone's ears they are identical. I also doubt many singers could even get this close. i've listen to Barry Gibb and even he is out by something quite audible, but on the track, those differences thicken the vocal.

  • @pjesf
    @pjesf Місяць тому +7

    Hey Fil I truly enjoy seeing and hearing you talk about the vocal mechanics (because I figuratively DISSECT vocals as I listen to a song). The down side is that they seem to incite controversy and follow-up explanations that detract from the enjoyment (you’re not smiling in the thumbnail).
    I love the analyses videos where you’re smiling the smile of true appreciation as you listen and the subsequent conversation has that same sparkle. In both cases I really enjoy your channel 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @drunkenbwoi
    @drunkenbwoi 13 днів тому +1

    There are so many variables taking place for vocal singers, let’s say MJ was a perfectionist ‘cause he couldn’t be perfection. Humans can’t replicate like robots.
    This was an artist spending up to an hour doing his vocal training despite knowing he was an hell of a singer. Vocal training isn’t only needed to warm up your vocal chords, but also needed to temporarily memorize how far your vocal ability can go in a certain day and be able to replicate a good performance during a studio session. So many factors play into this that it’s quite a score if you’re able to replicate 4 takes to the point they’re so close to sound the same, without running out of voice capability, without letting your voice go raspy and such.
    This song in particular was pretty chill, almost like he had to stick to the script (and that isn’t really his thing. MJ was a soul artist, he would let his pain and passion bleed out and guide him during recordings so he didn’t always stick to the script, and if you add the dancing, his physical and mental stress that’s alot of stuff to keep under control). I think he did quite great being able to maintain high standards during his recording sessions even if he wasn’t really able to deliver vocals to the point of perfection.

  • @zenawarrior7442
    @zenawarrior7442 Місяць тому +5

    Fun analysis again of a true legend who is greatly missed. Thanks Fil😊☀️🎤🎵🥤

  • @glamgal7106
    @glamgal7106 Місяць тому +5

    Hello Fil. I love your analysis videos featuring vocal pitch accuracy in which you take an objective approach to showing how a singer’s voice won’t sound the same when he/she sings a line because it’s physiologically impossible. In some ways, it’s like saying no two fingerprints are exactly alike or no two snowflakes are exactly alike. Too bad that Michael’s life was cut short at age 50…he was immensely talented. I believe that in your analysis of his vocal abilities, including the mention of the subtle variations, you paid tribute to him. Thanks for your professional approach and insight and thanks for what you do, Fil. Cheers!

  • @1okedoke
    @1okedoke Місяць тому +2

    You are so right Fil.
    I sang three words of a song through the vocal monitor app and each time was different!!
    Thanks for your analysis!
    Similar, but not exactly the same!

  • @AM_9924
    @AM_9924 Місяць тому +15

    Interesting stuff. You should do more Michael Jackson videos. He was such a talent.

    • @mimi-3212
      @mimi-3212 Місяць тому

      There is at least one, that I recall.

    • @jillturner8680
      @jillturner8680 Місяць тому

      Agreed. His genius needs more magnification 👏

    • @AM_9924
      @AM_9924 Місяць тому +2

      @@jillturner8680 We all love his music but his vocals were underrated in my opinion. Superb vocalist.

    • @jillturner8680
      @jillturner8680 Місяць тому

      @@AM_9924 couldn't agree more! When you hear just his vocals stacked, it's really quite something.

  • @niamhbrady104
    @niamhbrady104 Місяць тому +6

    Thank you Fil. Always learning from you! 🎭🗣

  • @TheMoneypresident
    @TheMoneypresident Місяць тому +15

    Kids can't believe he was that world famous without social media. Tried explaining monoculture and got crickets.

  • @markkinnish1196
    @markkinnish1196 Місяць тому

    Great update as always Fil

  • @frankgustafson1905
    @frankgustafson1905 Місяць тому

    Another great video Fil. Thanks for sharing.

  • @veramilton833
    @veramilton833 Місяць тому +5

    Fil, excellent analysis! Very informative as your analysis videos always are ! Now we have Michael Jackson! Well done, Fil ! 💜

  • @jomarc8766
    @jomarc8766 3 дні тому +1

    Well analysed Fil, you're not doing Michael down at all, its just fact. It's often when you duplicate 2 or 3 wav file 'takes' in recording you get some great phasing effects. Michael was great, shame he was controlled by handlers, but what a talent!

  • @roseyc.5846
    @roseyc.5846 Місяць тому

    Brilliant, as always, Fil! The hair MIGHT be looking for a trim soon, but...I LOVE IT! Stay safe and sane, etc. Rosemarie ❤️❤️❤️

  • @Donswife1965
    @Donswife1965 Місяць тому +5

    Thanks for your interesting analysis!

  • @tod3msn
    @tod3msn Місяць тому +1

    Well done, Fil. A real education on the technicalities of recording music.

  • @heatherrohde6541
    @heatherrohde6541 Місяць тому +1

    Another awesome analysis. Thanks Fil❤

  • @MikeD_
    @MikeD_ Місяць тому +3

    Jackson was an accomplished pop singer who was performing since he could barely walk. He was a perfectionist who practiced his songs, his dance moves, and his performances over and over to get them as close to the level he demanded. With all that, we can see that no singer can mimic pitch correction.

    • @robcmore2004
      @robcmore2004 Місяць тому +5

      I'd say he was more than just a pop singer, those that worked with him say he was a great musician, just not in the normal sense, he would have a song in his head and hum or sing each segment and how each instrument should sound etc

  • @bibistaufi2653
    @bibistaufi2653 4 дні тому +1

    Your videos are very interesting! I love this analysis !! Many greets from Germany near Cologne

  • @piotrkanarek
    @piotrkanarek Місяць тому +1

    Fil, you are healing my pitch "paranoias". Thank you so much!

  • @maguffintop2596
    @maguffintop2596 Місяць тому

    Peg, You really know your stuff- great content!!

  • @debrahartshorn3084
    @debrahartshorn3084 Місяць тому +5

    Another good one Fil!
    Hated to miss your birthday party livestream last night
    I was at the Masters Golf Tournament
    As you are a golfer I hope you understand
    I know your birthday rocked

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому

      Golf bores me, but, Andrew Cotter was there commentating, and I love his dogs. Olive and Mabel stayed home.

  • @burnindownthehouse
    @burnindownthehouse Місяць тому

    Good video! One thing I did was pause the video right after he sang all of his takes (right before your analysis) and I thought about it a bit and I did notice that the takes after the first take were just a bit sharp. He was quite consistent, though. He was known to be a perfectionist. Anyway, I enjoyed your analysis of this video very much.

  • @bilbobaggins5704
    @bilbobaggins5704 19 днів тому

    From a technical standpoint, you're doing a great job of explaining the issue of the 'fingerprint' of frequency as well as temporal modulation, there are also going to be variable differences in amplitude modulation.

  • @Dave-xc7cj
    @Dave-xc7cj Місяць тому +3

    As you are probably aware pitch correction software can be adjusted to 'humanise' i.e.. de-correct a performance. By adding randomizations in pitch and timing it is possible to emulate a 'new' performance. Until now used mainly for audio effects, I would suspect certain individuals that forge their 'live' performances (due to the fantastic highlighting of your channel) may start to make use of this ability in a more subtle, fraudulent manner.

  • @flaelna
    @flaelna Місяць тому

    I freaking love these videos!

  • @markwestervelt9708
    @markwestervelt9708 Місяць тому

    Great job Phil. Thank you for doing this. 👍. By the way you are mentioned on a couple videos exposing Don Henley. They are giving you the credit.

  • @MamawT65
    @MamawT65 Місяць тому

    Always love the analysis! Can let someone that doesn’t know anything about singing understand what you are talking about!

  • @oykaik
    @oykaik Місяць тому

    Game, set, and match! Nicely done, FIl!

  • @pjdava
    @pjdava Місяць тому +2

    Wings of Pegasus, This made me laugh so hard, thanks for sharing!

  • @Swimkid1
    @Swimkid1 Місяць тому

    Thank you for this great channel.

  • @butchieblock9118
    @butchieblock9118 13 днів тому

    As a 'youth' having just returned to the US, I had the privilege of seeing the Jackson 5 in Baltimore! One of my 1st concerts, with mum and dad, BUT one I'll NEVER forget!! Thank you mum and dad!!

  • @123Rockchild
    @123Rockchild Місяць тому +20

    Another clear demonstration of even the greatly-touted Michael Jackson singing notes slightly different each time. 👍

    • @rez1222
      @rez1222 Місяць тому +3

      i think its actually good to NOT be 100% pitch perfect, its good to have a great controll but thats enough (and he has great controll).

    • @robcmore2004
      @robcmore2004 Місяць тому +2

      He's one of a handful of "pop" artists that are star rated singers so it's absolutely right he's "greatly touted". Most of today's stars are simply miles behind the technical ability etc of star rated singers, Adele is rated as a C +, Taylor Swift only a D+

    • @123Rockchild
      @123Rockchild Місяць тому +1

      @@robcmore2004 I personally have never placed Michael Jackson in the category as a superlative singer. His appeal seems to me lands in the overall entertainment arena. He has had many catchy & pretty songs, but his dancing and clothing have always overshadowed his actual singing talents in my mind.

    • @robcmore2004
      @robcmore2004 Місяць тому +2

      @123Rockchild each to their own, I must confess that many "greats" like Cash and Dylan sounded horrendous to me so it's mostly personal taste

    • @123Rockchild
      @123Rockchild Місяць тому +2

      @@robcmore2004 I can agree with you on that! 😁

  • @EdC8247
    @EdC8247 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you Fil. You're a great defender of honest musicians.

  • @jasonlamar6347
    @jasonlamar6347 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome analysis. When you played through the first time i made a mental note that i thought 1 & 2 were extremely close and that take 5 was the only one i could hear a difference but i heard it on "world", the last word that wasn't part of it. heh

  • @christinestromberg4057
    @christinestromberg4057 Місяць тому +2

    A very clear and obvious ilustration. He does sound the same each time but it actually vairies, however slightly. Proof indeed. Our ears just aren't sensitive enough to pick up those minute details.

  • @bahmananvari9354
    @bahmananvari9354 Місяць тому +1

    Nice analysis! I wonder how they decided which vocal to take…assuming that such accurate pitch monitoring system was not available back then, and even if it was, analyzing the chorus would be a nightmare. I suppose they just relied on their ears, but then again even the best ears probably cannot resolve all of these takes.

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Місяць тому

    You started using this a lot when you were resting your wrist and I said that I thought you were using it too much. My sincere apologies. I have it on my phone and use it (very occasionaly) when I want to check my singing. But I'm not using it to learn to "sing to the lines" I just want to have a sound in my head. My piano teacher has never made a remark when I sing a song before I play it. He doesn't care it it's pitch perfect or not, he just wants me to start.
    I went through my music "education" with every choir teacher telling me to move my lips and not make a sound. Now, I'm making a sound.
    Merci, a follower from when you had 13,000 subs.

  • @user-vk8ry3tz6f
    @user-vk8ry3tz6f Місяць тому

    Fil, always great content. Apologies for asking a related question but as it applies to guitar vs vocals. Since you are also a guitarist, have you ever used your pitch analysis app to analyze a guitar solo? Have wondered how well it might work, especially in analyzing a guitarist's technique such as vibrato speed, depth, uniformity, bends, etc..
    Seems like the app could be useful for the detail-oriented guitarist similar to a vocalist focusing on developing certain style techniques....?
    Thx in advance if a reply is possible!

  • @LoreleiLee53
    @LoreleiLee53 Місяць тому

    I am rather new to you, and am very much enjoying these vocal analyzes. Would you please consider looking at Mandy Patinkin's performance of Over the Rainbow? There are several live versions from which to choose

  • @alicesmith8297
    @alicesmith8297 Місяць тому +5

    @WingsofPegasus-in my opinion with all the years of video analyses and this video as your culminating thesis, one of these six universities should be granting you an Honorary Doctorate in Vocal Analysis & Production. Rock!
    1) The Juilliard School-New York, NY
    2) Berklee College of Music - Boston, MA
    3) University of Southern California-Los Ángeles, CA
    4) Northwestern University-Evanston, IL
    5) University of Miami- Coral Gables, FL
    6) Royal Academy of Music- London, England
    Number #5 provides a purpose for a Florida visit. Number #6 is close to home. 🤘🏼🎸🎵🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @user-mg4fx3ig8v
    @user-mg4fx3ig8v Місяць тому

    I have never studied music theory. I can't read music. I don't play an instrument yet I understand the point you were trying to make, clearly. I have never had a problem understanding you. Thank you very much for your continued integrity and generously sharing your expertise for you have taught me so much.. I appreciate you.

  • @DawnOldham
    @DawnOldham 23 дні тому

    Loved this! I appreciate singing that is real and pure like this. No auto tuning for me! 😊

  • @cindydegraaff5083
    @cindydegraaff5083 Місяць тому

    So interesting! Thanks for that!

  • @timharris2141
    @timharris2141 Місяць тому

    I so appreciate what you do! Thank You!

  • @RetropunkAI
    @RetropunkAI Місяць тому +6

    Here we go!

  • @nickimontie
    @nickimontie Місяць тому +1

    Great video-very interesting to see the differences because 8 couldn't hear the difference!

  • @ohh338
    @ohh338 7 днів тому

    Thank you for your video. I've learned something new.

  • @iljagitaar
    @iljagitaar Місяць тому

    Thanks for the explanation.

  • @Xelanderthomas
    @Xelanderthomas 27 днів тому +2

    IMHO what a fascinating analyst of something almost completely meaningless.

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 Місяць тому

    Another good analysis.

  • @shimoorek
    @shimoorek 19 днів тому

    When I listen to the first time you played it and mentioned first second third fourth fifth and sixth, I guessed that the first and the six were identical. It’s interesting to see the slight differences but I didn’t think to through five sounded anything like the first. I know that they were in a rush to get this completed because no one knew who was going to show up for this topic and they coordinated this whole effort during the The stresses of an award show where no one that participated in this joint effort knew that each other was going to be present until the recording

  • @vwannop11
    @vwannop11 28 днів тому +2

    I actually watched this rehearsal and MJ sang his part several times. Some people in the comments about why he was able to practice his part so many times. Knowing the way Michael works, it had to be perfect or very close to

    • @alnor1643
      @alnor1643 25 днів тому

      lol because it was his song and Lionel’s, people choose to be dumb 😂

  • @d-rzarkocubrinoski
    @d-rzarkocubrinoski Місяць тому +5

    You can't touch MJ. The fact that you had to use software, to detect whatever you want to prove, says it all.

    • @Biozene
      @Biozene Місяць тому

      Why are you taking this as an attack? The last thing you want in music is for every performance to be EXACTLY the same.

    • @d-rzarkocubrinoski
      @d-rzarkocubrinoski Місяць тому +2

      @@Biozene It is presented as an insult, hence the atack.

    • @lucasoheyze4597
      @lucasoheyze4597 Місяць тому +1

      Grow up

    • @leojbramble
      @leojbramble Місяць тому +3

      @@d-rzarkocubrinoski It's not an insult, he's demonstrating the physiological impossiblity of anyone being able to duplicate the way they sing anything. Nothing at all to do with artistic/techical ability. Too lazy to watch? He literally refers to him as "A great singer, really accurate pitchwise..."

    • @d-rzarkocubrinoski
      @d-rzarkocubrinoski Місяць тому +1

      @@leojbramble You don't understand the intention, so buzz off.

  • @tmalone2530
    @tmalone2530 Місяць тому

    Love this video. I’m an avid MJ fan but for someone who sang a LOT from the years of 1969 to 1997; his voice couldn’t always remain the same.

  • @dolinick
    @dolinick Місяць тому +2

    of course it wasn't the same. he wasn't feeling or thinking the same thing each time. Amen. love you.

  • @irf888
    @irf888 12 днів тому

    Hi. On the Don example, he’ll probably instruct his technical guys to create 20 slightly different recordings and rotate through them live. 😀

  • @prongATO
    @prongATO Місяць тому +3

    Fil, off topic and not a song you would normally cover but Townes Van Zandt has a song called Pancho and Lefty that if like you to check out. I’m just a drummer so I don’t have the ability to articulate what is so special and original about the key changes and composition, maybe you could do a video on it. It’s been performed by a LOT of people.

    • @Psalm1267
      @Psalm1267 Місяць тому

      @prongATO
      That fiddle really does it for me! ❤

  • @thedrunkencookmostly714
    @thedrunkencookmostly714 Місяць тому +2

    Fil,
    I’m by no means suggesting that Michael could sing the same lines or even 2 notes twice that are exactly the same.
    however, perhaps Michael was giving the producer options? Rather like actors when they do takes in a movie!
    just a thought.

  • @trevordavies2829
    @trevordavies2829 Місяць тому

    Thanks Fil
    Your analysis makes me wonder how hard double tracking is. I don’t t mean a cut ‘n paste second track but a second entire take.

  • @scpk2246
    @scpk2246 29 днів тому +1

    Of course no one can have an absolute perfect frequency repeatition - that's common sense

  • @Thearabiandancer
    @Thearabiandancer Місяць тому

    Can you do Gene Pitney - somethings got a hold of my heart, new subscriber so sorry if you have already done this one

  • @SandraBonney
    @SandraBonney Місяць тому

    It's interesting that the longer straight lines do match. Maybe be variable in length but angle pretty much perfectly matching

  • @charlottemoreau1957
    @charlottemoreau1957 Місяць тому +1

    Was a great video

  • @randytaylor1406
    @randytaylor1406 Місяць тому

    Fil, your review of Tori Holub was fantastic. I've recently found out about Harriet doing Carpenters covers on TicTok. I've seen her videos but the video doesn't seem to sync to the music. Could you do a pitch monitoring analysis on her? Either way, she still seems to be a good singer.

  • @davidbjornstad7759
    @davidbjornstad7759 13 днів тому

    I'm convinced. Singers can "nail the vocal," but they can't nail the fine details.

  • @paulc7590
    @paulc7590 Місяць тому +2

    I'd be interested in voice impressionists like Rich Little. I know he used to sing like famous singers but how close was he to the voice he was imitating? Thanks, Fil. Another great video and analysis.

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior Місяць тому +1

      There is a lot more to that than just pitch wave forms, in the manner Fill is looking at them. Kind of like when a woman and a man sings the same note, it doesn't sound the same, or even moreso, when you play it on a tympani or trumpet.

  • @don7294
    @don7294 Місяць тому +1

    I love science. Thanks so much for showing the impossibility of singing the same song or words exactly over and over again. It is an impossibility when you consider the physics of the human vocal cords and sound. Well done!!!

  • @palmaleestephens1906
    @palmaleestephens1906 Місяць тому

    Thank you!❤

  • @arlenem6659
    @arlenem6659 Місяць тому

    Thanks, Fil 🙂

  • @TruthSurge
    @TruthSurge Місяць тому +1

    good vid. there came a point in recording history where producers/engineers realized they could COPY/PASTE a chorus from the first part of a song to all other ones to keep the chorus identical so they'd focus on getting ONE good chorus - that's it, then paste all those vocals to the later parts of the song AS LONG AS the tempo of the song was set via click track so that the tempo did not waver (increase or decrease) and that's how they do it today. Just get one GREAT take of the chorus, paste it in for all other ones (as long as you are happy it is a clone). Then you can KIND OF mask it with another track of lead vocal ad libs at the end to vary things up. They did that with Nirvana's smells like teen spirit. same vocals every chorus. Tons of pop songs now do that. But back in the 70s, 80s... not so much. Michael had to sing things over and over. I'm sure Quincy COULD HAVE done a bounce and just got one good one but I think for him that probably seemed like cheating and anyway MJ was a great singer so he could sing it great on every take so no biggie. Vocal fingerprint. It's also the same for anything really. You could write your name in cursive twice in a row and they won't be identical. Those tiny little shakes in the hand will happen at different times, places, amplitudes.... vocals will NEVER match identically unless it's a digital copy of a prev one.

  • @kathleennelson6692
    @kathleennelson6692 17 днів тому

    You are amazing, Grammy here.

  • @markbuchholtzSacramentoCAUSA
    @markbuchholtzSacramentoCAUSA Місяць тому

    I was painting my living walls with a brush today and thought about Fil's videos. You can't paint brush strokes over a wall the same way you brushed it the last time! Just like you can't sing something "live" today exactly the same way you recorded it years earlier.