Ah yes. You must feel the same pain I felt. Even though you already lost both of them I’ll bring back your father and make you feel more pain by making him evil which my parents were totally the opposite of because they sacrificed themselves. That seems fair /s
@@Rylocand spoiler for crystalized; the fact that she had such a big personality change after realising the overlord (the person she was basically worshipping for literally breathing and doing anything) was the one that indirectly killed her parents and was the reason why garmadon turned evil is so stupid. AND SHE CUTS OFF HIS HAND LIKE ITS NOTHING? LLOYD AND GARMADON BOTH COULDNT EVEN LAY A SINGLE FINGER ON THE CK,, and she just does it like that
she brought back the evil garmadon and killed off the pure and good sensei garmadon basically yes bringing him back from the dead but he isnt the same as before and is irredeemable
I heard that Mr. E was originally meant to reveal himself as Echo Zane, hence the letter E to his name. However due to time constraints the writers are forced to scrap the idea.
It wasn't exactly time constraints, it just wasn't relevant enough to the story. If they brought back Echo Zane, it would open up a can of worms about how Jay and Nya rewrote time and then they would have to explain to the rest of the Ninja what happened and all of that would distract from the main plot of Season 8. The story would have lost focus so they dropped it.
It could always happen in Crystalized. We still don't know much about Mr F. He is apparently a updated model of Mr E but we don't know if he's a completely different robot or Mr E's conscience with a new body. If the latter is the case he could be revealed as Echo Zane. I mean I guess he could've been brought back since Harumi is the Crystal Kings second in command but it still feels random to bring him back of all characters unless they were going to set up a bit reveal.
Besides it could be used semilarly to a super seiyin thing. Have his outer layer of skin fall out when he’s been fighting a tough battle for a while, shredded by the enemy, revealing his titanium form. But now that its constantly there, its not as special or cool anymore. Also, honestly, always hated zane’s hair. Not the style mind you, just the weird front of it. His old hair definately handled it better, but still kinda wonky.
You know, I find it interesting that you think Harumi doesn't have the most interesting personality because I think it's the exact opposite. Harumi isn't a character who's so cut and dry and being evil and just tricking Lloyd the entire time, she is way more complex than that. The thing that makes Harumi interesting how she forces the audience to wonder what her mask is, which is fitting because the entire seasons is about masks and this was clearly a deliberate motif. In her introduction, Harumi talks about wearing a mask and it is a very relatable concept to Lloyd. We the audience first think Harumi is talking about how being a princess is a mask, but in reality is is her kind, normal face which is the mask that covers up her evil and vengeful side (with this double meaning dialogue being another excellent component of her character!) But the think about Harumi is that she is a foil character to Lloyd. Everything Lloyd feels about losing his loved ones is something that Harumi felt, except instead of moving past it and growing as a person, Harumi became consumed by her sorrow and let it destroy her morality. So from this we see a very interesting and contrast yet parallel between Lloyd and Harumi, shades of Lloyd's personally can be seen in her. And the fact that Lloyd and Harumi are so similar further benefits her character because the way she deceives Lloyd is by relating to him. Like she is lying about being his friend sure, but everything she says is laced with truth. In a weird way, she does relate to Lloyd and uses their commonality to get close. She has great sadness about losing her parents, she is a kindred spirit to Lloyd, she wants safety and protection. These are truths and the complex part about her personality is realizing that throughout her deception, these were very earnest expressions of her emotions. In fact, it's not just the audience who needs to hash out what was and wasn't deception with Harumi, I think Lloyd and Harumi need to figure it out too. I'm going to make a *bold* claim here, I think Harumi really did like Lloyd and even her adoptive parents. I think that's evident in her dialogue given how even she calls Lloyd and herself "kindred spirits" and says "You're emotions, it's hard to think. I felt those feelings too". I don't think she's lying here, she really did care about Lloyd, but the difference is that in spit of those feelings, she clung to her convictions of hatred and wanted Lloyd to die. She literally choose to wear her mask of hatred and let that define her actions. That is an extremely complex character, for she evidently hated Lloyd more than she grew to love him from the limited time they had together. Like I think you can sum up Harumi with the line "I had to repress those feelings, I had to wear a mask until the time was right for me to take control." Well then the question becomes, what was the mask? What were those feelings. Was it feelings of hatred (for her adoptive parents and Lloyd) that were repressed and hidden by a mask of love? Or was it feelings of genuine love that were repressed by hidden by a mask of hatred? I think it was the latter. Because you don't get the amazing dialogue she had with Lloyd unless there is something earnest underneath. No one is born evil, you let yourself become that way when you let your hatred define you. Harumi wasn't born bad either, but her ultimate downfall was deciding to hate and refusing to let anything else change her mind, even when she herself began to feel love. She chose to wear a mask of hatred and only at the very end when she saved that family and looked Lloyd in the eyes did she finally take it off. It the first action she made in long while that was motivated by love not hate. That's when the mask came off, but unfortunately, as the audience and Harumi both witnessed, it came off too late to save her. And that's why I think Harumi is one of the most complex, deep, intriguing, and best written characters in not just Ninjago, but all of fiction. If you made it this far, thank you for reading and remember, we all choose the masks we wear. A mask does not have to be a bad thing, it can make you strong, as you embrace a better and noble identity. That's what Lloyd does when he wears a mask, that's what so many superheroes do when they wear makes. Let it only be a good mask that defines you and never let a mask of fear, anger, or hatred ever cover up your better self as both Harumi and Anakin Skywalker sadly did.
I agree with you completely, I would have loved to see her survive and what would have happened because I really think she changed in that moment when she saved that family. Harumi and season 4 Skylor along with season 8-9 Lloyd are my favorite characters because of the complexity in their character.
Dang straight that scene with Harumi and Lloyd in the cave with the Oni Mask is the most intense scene in the show! I'd even go as far as to say it's the best scene in all of Ninjago history! Like it's beyond perfect in terms of cinematography, directing, voice acting, animation, dialogue, and music! It's a masterclass, my jaw was one of floor when I saw it and it was so good, I kept rewinding and rewatching it because I kept finding hidden details that made it even more interesting than the last time I saw it!
@@igotin9264 Could you please elaborate on why that doesn't make any sense? It just looks like they're trying to describe how good that scene was. I do not mean to be rude I would just like to hear why that doesn't make any sense to you because that doesn't make any sense to me.
As someone who has only seen through the show once, I would argue that Lloyd and Garmadon's fight in Cryptarium Prison was better. But dang, that season had some intense scenes. I love it.
I recently rewatched the Oni Trilogy and I loved it even more than I did before, especially Hunted. Also, I don’t mind the design changes. It makes the characters look older and showcases their maturity, whilst allowing them to age, much like what How To Train Your Dragon did with it’s protagonists
How tf are they looking older? I totally don't understand those claims. New designs were made specifically for the movie and therefore they are very stereotypical. Not just stereotypical, but extremely cliched. They are made to be funny, to make fun of your typical "teen superhero crew" and I'm totally fine with that. It's one big parody of TMNT, Power Rangers, Kung-Fu Panda and a lot of other shows and movies. But what's the point of putting over the top comically stupid designs into the show and pretending to be serious afterwards? Sorry, but I can't take them seriously at all. Kai is now edgy, Nya is your typical action girl and Zane is just an idiot. They all (except Lloyd) became much *younger* than they were before. To stop the whole industry from decaying we should stop justifying greedy marketing decisions, that's my point. The same way I feel about personalities. Literally every main character besides Cole and Lloyd not only stopped development, but seemed to lose all development they had before. But that's the topic for another rant, I guess.
Jay would kinda be in the reverse. If anything. Some of the ninja's designs would work better for the original meeting flashback, since they all generally look younger, with zane symbolising how he was the serious one, with the short haircut to back it up with.
@@antonovsiannikov4547 for real. I hate the new designs it just feels like a different show with different characters. The movie designs are just way too basic and dumb compared to the last 7 seasons. They really disconnected me from the show after that
I love Lloyd’s new voice, I have nothing against Jillian Michaels, but Lloyd’s voice needed to become more mature eventually, for s1-5 it worked, but after that it got annoying for me
The original voice was great when he is a kid especially when it was played for comedy. Some of the funniest lines in the show were Lloyd being an obnoxious brat and they were mostly funny because of the great delivery of the lines. But in season 2 and going forward, it was a bizarre mismatch between the suddenly very mature acting Lloyd and him being the leader of the group and a very young sounding boyish voice. it just doesnt work very well.
Good video, I just have one thing to point out. Lloyd's arc in Hunted was to restore his confidence and have him become a better leader, which is the reason he doesnt act this way in Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu like you mentioned. Secrets' job is resolving Lloyd's actual trauma from the Oni Trilogy which is why he's the one to face of against the Ice Emperor, because the season has constantly been paralleling him to Garmadon
A lot of people didn't like the redesigns, but honestly once you get used to them they're a lot better than the old ones, less generic, and somehow it still fits the voice actors really well.
A love the way they changed Llyod's character in this season. In the earlier seasons, he could go through the most horrific thing in his life and than move on in the next season. For Sons Of Garmadon and beyond, it really wraps up Lloyd's true feelings about losing his father in S4, while also giving us a new character for Lloyd to mourn (Harumi). I loved how in S9-S15 Lloyd never gets over what Harumi did and how Harumi "died". One of my favourite moments that I believe really encapsulates this premise is when Cole becomes friends with princess Vania which in turn make Lloyd get defensive and anxious, to the point he tries to persuade Cole into regecting Vania friendship because he believes that his friend is in danger, due to the fact that "all princess are the same".
My take on Garmadon in Season 8 was that he's broken mentally. Remember, he's just been revived so there are gaps in his head. He's a mindless zombie who was slowly remembering who he was.
Probably the main reason why Harumi is one of Ninjago’s best antagonists imo is probably because of her motivations as you mentioned, but mainly to me, her interactions with Lloyd. She isn’t too interesting without him being there, but each scene where they are both speaking to each other is amazing.
Thank you so much! In comparison to more mainstream cartoons, Ninjago rarely gets the attention it deserves. I'm so happy to see someone stepping up and making some analytical videos about it, and good-quality ones too!
Ninjago is definitely very underrated in the cartoon space online. I hope to encourage more in depth discussion with the show. We need more stuff like ninjago cast and marvelous cast to spark more in depth discussion with the shows writings and themes. I’m glad people are enjoying it! ( :
As someone who is a little more mixed on Sons of garmadon than other fans, I must say I was very impressed with how you brought up the season's strengths while also being unafraid to occassionally point out its weaknesses. This video really softened my criticisms on Season 8 and now I'm tempted to rewatch the season to see if I cam warm up to it alot more
I personally believe Garmadon talks wierd at first because in a way he’s kind of a zombie. Like he’s recently been resurrected so I think throughout the rest of SOG and hunted he becomes accustomed to his new body. But I love you points here great video. SOG is probably my top 5 fav seasons.
I actually really liked Nya this season! For the first time, she didn't just feel tacked on as a Ninja. She had a great supporting role and often made the mature decisions of the group. She also served an excellent role as mechanic and pilot. For the first time since joining the team, I felt like she had an actual role and I liked her. She had a tough, no-nonsense attitude but was empathetic to Lloyd and Harumi. She gave them heartfelt talks that no other member of the team would have been able to. She kind of felt like a mom, but in a good way as she was easy to talk to and caring while not being not afraid to lay down the smack when needing to either.
@@zarkahmed3199 I agree to a degree but they are a bit different. Kai seems to express his aggression inward which results in self loathing and brooding while Nya expresses aggression outward by freaking out or shouting. Nya has a short fuse while Kai has a deep anger. Another way they are different is Nya often takes a more support role while Kai takes a more active role. I agree that recently they've been giving a lot of Kai's traits to Nya ever since season 11 to give Nya a stronger characterization but they're still different enough. I think the problem is less about Nya being given more character depth and more about Kai being mellowed out from his original role. We can still have Nya be super interesting, the writers just need give Kai that same level of consideration.
Kai really got the tip of the stick, while he may have the most seasons his character has gotten a serious downgrade and still, over 11 years, not defeated a season villain. #JusticeforRedNinja
To support your dialogue notion, the Lloyd vs Harumi fight in the Oni Temple. That has some of the best Dialogue of the entire show. As a side note, her flashback made my favorite episode, “Day Of The Great Devourer”, much better and made my favorite scene of the episode, The Ultra Dragon vs The Great Devourer fight, much more tragic
That flashback had my shocked when I first saw it. The way they tied the events of the great devourer so seamlessly into harumi’s motivations is just amazing and is really rewarding for long time fans. Almost makes you wonder how many casualties happened with wojira and other large scale ninjago city threats.
@@bendobricks exactly. When I first watched that, it reminded me heavily of Godzilla doing the same thing in Godzilla (2014). It helps that she's named after the character
@@bendobricks Wojira was one that nearly made my jaw drop because I didn't expect how quickly they'd show the city flood. Within like a few moments you can be certain by any realistic standard that hundreds or even thousands of people are dead right off the bat.
It took me a little while to get used to the new character designs and the new Lloyd but then I loved the season. It was fantastic, it’s one of my favourites now, and I loved the music, specifically Harumi’s theme. It’s sweet but sad, it’s in a minor key, and it’s simple. That’s my favourite kind of music because I get the most emotion out of it, Harumi is definitely one of my favourite villains and also just as a character in general. In the soundtrack “The Mask of Hatred” it’s mostly just music for the fight scene, but there’s a few little moments with Harumi’s theme, but it’s quiet and kind of shrouded, which is perfect for Harumi because although most of her is evil, there’s still a little bit of good.
Yes!!! The music for this show is incredible and has played a big role in inspiring me to make music. I definitely want to make some videos analyzing ninjagos amazing soundtrack.
Also don't get it why death of Harumi's parents is more tragic than death of Zane or Nya. They are the characters we got to know, grew to love them, and they literally die on screen, quite unexpectedly. That's much more heartbreaking, imo.
I agree, Harumi is the worst antagonist of Ninjago, her motivation are very childish in my opinion. She's not like Garmadon, Pythor or Nadakhan. I don't know why everyone love her, she is too over-estimate to a female character of Ninjago. The scenarist make her come back, just why ?
Great review! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was super impressed by the dialogue in season 8. It felt so much more natural. The action is also so much better and it was clear that the ninja improved so much in their combat
I completely agree that Garmadon was far more interesting and better delivered in Hunted, but I think between the scene in the cave and the fight at Krytparium this season does hold really a unique place in Ninjago history. I love the fact that they were able to build on plot points from the last season while also making them feel natural here. Harumi ties everything together and to this day I don't think we'll get a more interesting villain. By the end of the season, she won. She got everything she wanted. And it's interesting to see how that went into Hunted, where she had to deal with Garmadon and the repercussions of her actions. It kept me from aging out of the show after Hands of Time and really shows how Ninjago continued to evolve and evolve.
Ninjago was definitely going the wrong direction in terms of quality around hands of time, but Sons of Garmadon really took us in a fresh amazing new direction we NEEDED. Great video!
Knowing hands of time was kinda bad makes me feel a little better because I had to rewatch the season since it just didn't seem interesting and I lost focus on it.
In my opinion, possession will always be the best ninjago arc. But I have to say this one nearly gave it a run for its money, its probably the second best ninjago arc in all of history. Everything about it is just so great, man I love this arc.
Very nice video! Quite neatly organized and it was very well produced for a first video. I definitely agree with you in that SoG was a breath of fresh air that Ninjago desperately needed. The previous seasons(particularly 5, 6, and 7) followed a relatively formulaic story and SoG takes that formula and turns it on its head to pave Ninjago into a new era. I do think that the execution of the story was very well done for the most part and the portrayals of most of the characters was exceptional. Since I enjoy almost everything in this season as it is my 3rd favorite, I will mostly just cover some flaws that I find in it that I personally find that hold it back. Some of the episodes to me have strange scenes and plot points such as the crab fight in episode 81. The premiere of the season is also a big setback to the season as a whole in my opinion as it is the episode that a lot of returning(old) fans will watch to see if the show is any good at seasons 8+ with all the changes. Unfortunately, I feel that the premiere doesn’t do the season justice as a whole and in a way alienates returning fans from the show. I don’t mind any of the changes that were brought upon season 8+ now, but I think that the poor integration into the newer style in the premiere is definitely a large setback. As for characterization, I can’t help but feel that Lloyd is a little too focused on and kind of overshadows the other ninja. Jay, Nya, and Kai don’t get much of a role in this season and almost every other Ninjago season gives most of the ninja roles(whether that be good or bad). Of course Lloyd’s characterization was amazing this season, but I would personally have preferred an approach that Seabound took where almost all of non-focused ninja had decent roles. Another minor nitpick that I have with this season is Hutchins as he’s quite bland and mainly there for introduction. Now, the biggest part of SoG is the mystery aspect which I think is both the season’s strength and weakness. Of course, the degree of the twist blows fans away and the overall unexpected outcome of the season is a huge plus. However, I can’t help but feel that the season focuses a little too much on the mystery aspect of the plot instead of the actual story part of the plot. I believe that an approach that Season 1 took would have greatly benefited season 8 where the mystery aspect is mainly pushed to the side and comes to the center very occasionally. To me, this approach benefits rewatches greatly and drives the plot forward more smoothly, especially for a show like Ninjago where I personally don’t think mystery is the focus genre. Finally, I feel that the ending of the season doesn’t feel too “earned” for the villains in a sense. I do like that Lloyd’s downfall was a huge part of the team’s downfall, but it shouldn’t have been the only and main reason why the ninja lost. I believe that the show should have explored a flaw that the team as a whole had without Master Wu, perhaps with disorganization and poor leadership. I know that the ending shows that in a way, but it should have been a little more explicit in my opinion to really hammer home the message that the ninja couldn’t protect the city. With all this being said though, I still fully enjoy SoG. I completely support all the praise that the season gets for the aspects it does brilliantly, but I feel that a few of the flaws that it has (to me at least) are a little important to discuss. I’ve even analyzed the flaws of my other favorite seasons too and no season is ever perfect although it can be phenomenal.
I like to believe the Royal Family actually came out of nowhere due to the effects that occurred in Hamds Of Time. After all: It was (theorized really) explained that the ninja got their new designs from the effects of time.
A thing I noticed that didn’t really make sense was Harumi’s age in her flash back in the season. Remember Lloyd was aged up in the episode the ninja got aged down in season 1 or 2. So wouldn’t she still be way younger than him
I don't get why Harumi isn't after Pythor, he's the one behind the Great Devourer, Lloyd may have freed him, but that was because he was a kid, who Garmadon left, so then she has to get revenge on Garmadon or the snake that bit him, which is the Great Devourer, also Garmadon wouldn't have defeated the Devourer if not ninja immobilising him, so they also saved the town, it's a lot of confusion if you think about it, so why get revenge on anybody then?
Because a lot of Harumi's foundational beliefs were formed in the direct aftermath of a very traumatic moment. When something traumatic happens, you usually don't think clearly. Like Harumi didn't even see Garmadon destroy the Devourer or know what the Ninja did, but this social workers haphazardly talking about it is how Harumi picked it up. Normally you aren't so profoundly influenced by what random people say, but Harumi was a child who had just been shattered by the death of her parents so those random words are what created her entire philosophy on life. And that foundational philosophy obviously isn't logical, but when you are child who's shellshocked logic isn't really a factor. If those social workers talked about Pythor Harumi would probably want revenge on him instead of the Ninja. That's because Harumi's perspective isn't based on logic, it's based on emotion that warps her reality. Harumi's broken worldview is too intertwined with her trauma and because she never moved past her trauma she also never moved past that childish, broken worldview. I genuinely think it is some of the best and most clever writing I have ever seen for a villain and it was conveyed in a Lego show about Ninja. It's really a testament to how good Ninjago's writing is and how perfect Harumi's character was.
@@dangamertop9253 That is what a well adjusted adults would do. But Harumi's trauma warped her to the point where she is not a well adjusted adult and therefore does not have the emotional capacity or awareness to reexamine her history. It's a vicious cycle. Her trauma warped her mind and because her mind is warped, she can't reason out that it is warped. It's to the point where I'd argue she might have an actual disorder associated with her childhood trauma. She reminds me of other people who have various mental disorders (like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, dissociative personality disorder, etc) because of a traumatic or abusive childhood.
In sons of garmadon it seems like garmadon is just a monster and as his story progresses in the other seasons he starts to care more and his voice changes as he does
Now I really like season 8 and I do think it’s one of the best seasons but I do hate the fact that they completely got rid of elemental dragons and airjitzu
Season 2 of Ninjago will always be my favorite season Zane is such an awesome character when he figures out he’s a robot you feel for him. But great vid I like this season too
What I wanna see is what the writers do with harumi in the future. Now that she’s good I think she’s gonna be like another skylor but to keep her a lot more different than skylor she definitely needs 2 things. 1. A power, either let her keep her crystal power with the drawback of using it too much at once corrupts her, or give her another loose end power like wind. 2. Give her a bit more screen time and maybe (this is more or less what I want) her own arc like jay ams nyas in skybound that vastly improves the relationship between Lloyd and harumi, bringing Lloyrumi to life, if you can’t tell I’m a lloyrumi fan
Likewise. I feel that a redemption arc in season 15 could've worked, where she atones for, and regrets her crimes, along with repairing her relationship with Lloyd, but they needed to actually focus on that over filler episodes and fake-out deaths. That and the 6 writers constantly contradicting each other.
I remember back when this season came out, I was feeling a bit burnt out from Ninjago. Season 7 didn't hit for me in the same way that both Seasons 5 & 6 did, I'd found many other new series to focus on, and of course, the Movie didn't help much when it came to maintaining my hype. Pair that with what looked to be a fairly mediocre set lineup, and I had very low expectations going into this, not watching it until a good few months after it came out (though that happened with Season 7 as well I suppose). And then I watched S.o.G. and remembered why I love this show. And then Season 9 was great too! While Season 5 remains my favorite season for a number of subjective reasons, 8 & 9 are absolutely the peak of Ninjago's writing, and despite the new seasons' constant improvement, I doubt we'll see anything like S.o.G. or Hunted again. Hey, at least we got to see them
I believe that the reason Harumi didn't escape the castle before the explosion was because it'd be extremely suspicious to see her gone while it happened, maybe instead she went to a room which had less explosives, or only had explosives in the roof, and not the ground or walls, I mean, she wasn't in her bedroom or in the throne room. But that's just my take.
honestly, i didn’t really have any problems with this season. I found the desings fine, i like them more than the original in my opinion. But if they are older i felt they shud look older, while cole and lloyd do look older, zayn looks ok (since he can’t age yk), but jay and kai look less matured, i still like their designs. Overall, i’m pretty happy with this season, im actually not a long time fan and hv only recently started watching, im on s10, so i might be wrong, maybe my opinion can change throughout s10 to s16, but for now i think ninjago is pretty great
Just one thing though. Garmadon was meant to sound very different this time, because he is different. He's like the Frankenstein monster, he can barely speak, he breathes heavily. He is not really self-aware. He needs Harumi to explain things to him, because he doesn't understand. She summoned him, and so he just sort of does her bidding. In this way, he's like a golem or something. The writers, and voice actor discussed this. He was meant to be more robotic, a shell. He doesn't remember a lot of his former self, doesn't even recognise a picture of himself. And he has to relearn about the world like a child, but guided by evil that is Harumi, and the SoG. That was the entire point. He's not himself right now, and so he cannot be reasoned with. Not yet anyway. Now we all know that's not really true, and he turns good again. It was just sort of buried deep in him this time. Oh, and the bit with him fighting Lloyd, completely traumatised us. My kids and I actually cried. I was like, what the hell did I just watch?? It was so heartbreaking, cause they had loved each other so much. For both their sake, as you knew that Garmadon would never do this otherwise, and once he became aware, would never forgive himself. The picture blowing away in the wind, and the sad music. OMG. The most traumatic part of Ninjago's entire run imo. More than any other deaths, or any of it. All of them sad, but this was the worst.
Garmadon is a literal shambling corpse after his ressurection. You can see that in his mumbling along with the fact that he has a visibly open ribcage with purple blood oozing out.
I respect your opinion but seriously. Watch Sons of Garmadon, and then watch any of the new seasons. The graphics? awful. The story? They pull things out of their ass to keep the show going for no reason, seriously we heard of filler episodes, this show now has filler seasons. Like tell me one permanent thing that happened in season 11, prime empire or mountain other than adding two new villains for no reason and some reverse character development. Like seriously, they ruined every single good bit of character development and every personality trait of the ninja like they were born a day prior. It's just sad
@@Amityz72323 That argument could be used for any season in Ninjago lmao. The animation is great, probably the best we’ve seen: movement and visuals. Also, there is no filler in Ninjago other than “The Absolute Worst”. I also fail to see how any of the characters regressed. Some of the show’s worst stuff came from the earlier seasons (S2 and Rebooted). Also saying the newer seasons have zero impact is straight up a lie. Lloyd’s development in S11 is used in The Island when Lloyd speaks to Twitchy Tim, Shintaro was used in Seabound, Explorer’s club was used in The Island and Seabound, world building with the Never Realm, Shintaro, Merlopia, etc. That’s a season’s job: introduce new things to the show. Even with the examples I listed it shows they’re using their resources. S11 onwards has been phenomenal and reignited the love I have for the show
@@jacaerys4I genuinely liked season 11 it was nice and funny it was start of a new era so it’s nice they calmed things down a bit after what we’ve been through and seen from the oni trilogy, I won’t say season 12 was bad, but I never really cared about it, it just felt really bland, season 13 and 14 where absolutely amazing and Crystalized is the only season in the 11 minute era that I genuinely don’t like but the animation quality was at it’s peak the visuals where amazing the story telling was pretty good most especially in Masters of the mountains and the fights where definitely the best right before Dragons rising so honestly the s11-s14(fuck Crystalized) was actually pretty well really good definitely not better than Dragons Rising, Masters of Spinjitzu and The Oni Trilogy, but I’m not surprised it’s your favourite it was a really nice reboot that went from decent to amazing and Crystalized was like the only genuinely awful season of the era so I’m not gonna let it cloud my judgement of the entire era lol, but it’s definitely a highly underrated era(I think at least I have no idea how much people like this on average)
Honestly I feel like Jay's character Reset from Hands of Time Should've been at least somewhat fixed, Skybound was so good For him but Hands of time...It was such a dissapoinment
Yeah it really was disappointing for me too. Ever since Hands Of Time, his character has just gotten more and more just comic relief guy, annoying and he’s lost most of his interesting traits he had in Skybound. Such a shame really. 🙁
Hey! I just found your channel, like, JUST found it! When sons of garmadon came out, I was put off by the redesigns and lloyd's new voice, so I stopped watching at... about the 2nd episode? I finally came back to ninjago as a series only about a month ago, I binged every episode from the pilot to seabound, which I finished yesterday, I'm glad to finally be back in the loop Anyways, sons of garmadon was awesome, my only problem is.. well, Garmadon. He was one of my favourite characters in seasons 1-2, and my absolute favourite in season 3-4. He just, isn't the same character anymore, which, I know that's the point, but still, I really wanted the old Garmadon back other than that, sons of garmadon was, as I said, amazing.
I prefer every one of the movie designs to the originals, except Kai (and zane but it's just because I think his hair looks doofy). but I'm pretty sure kai's hair change was to make it possible to model it in form since his hair spikes were so thin that if they made an accurate hair piece, it would bend too easily.
Garmadon: *has epic redemption arc and is a great mentor the Ninja and forges a good relationship with his son, then sacrifices himself to rid Ninjago of the Anacondrai once more* Season 8: evil garmadon go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
one thing I noticed is how Harumi is like a child, roughly around the age of Lloyd pre tea, but when Lloyd started liking her, she must have been at least 3 to 4 years younger than him. Kinda makes Lloyd a pred if you ask me
It's hilariously ironic how _Sons of Garmadon_ felt more like a high-end, Hollywood, blockbuster movie than the actual _LEGO Ninjago Movie!_ "And they (the Hageman Brothers) brought in the sensibility where this isn't a dumb TV show for kids. No, this is a high-end, Hollywood, blockbuster movie. That's what they brought into it, and that's how they approached it." - Tommy Andreasen praising the Hageman Brothers' during the Ten Years of Spinjitzu Documentary
IMO I think The Empire Strikes Back is as much of a comparison here as Infinity War. The hero coming into his own and getting trashed by his father parallels it pretty well
I really hated what they did to Kai, the continuity and most of all Lloyd getting the spotlight again after the zillionth time. I love LLoyd but you got to admit he gets too much spotlight.
I’m a big Lego ninjago fan and I loved the Lego ninjago movie, except for Kai’s hair piece I think it looked better shorter, also I don’t know why but for all Lego set that have Kai in them I changed all his swords with the red ones used by the sons of garmadon because I think the red swords fit with the red ninja
Honestly the movie designs have grown on me. They look older and more experienced than their og designs. Not saying I prefer the movie designs, I just think they work well
I do like The harumi reveal but i feel like they could have dropped small indications of it here and there Like If you went Back and watched there could have been some things she said or did that you could pin point to be her woking as the quiet one that at The first watch seems totally innocent
There actually were a few things but the writers were so clever that most viewers didn't notice them. Like when Lloyd and Harumi face Ultra Violent, Ultra Violet gets the mask because Harumi drops it. We think it's an accident but Harumi really did it on purpose. Later when Ultra Violet gets a call, it's from a distinctly green phone, a color associated with Harumi and that call comes when Harumi told the Ninja she should be doing something "more useful". Her lullaby was also very suspicious and she knew how to get Wu to sleep, probably because she used it to make him to sleep before when he was kidnapped. And as they get closer to the temple Harumi lets it slip that she is actually very good with a sword and kisses Lloyd to distract him from that fact. Also, much of Harumi's dialogue has huge double meanings. She says "I would give anything to see my parents again" and "the most dangerous enemy is the one you never knew was there in the first place" and "I need you!" These are when the mask slips from Harumi's disguise and you see her true intentions. So there actually were many subtle hints and indications that Harumi was the Quiet One when makes her reveal that much more amazing because most people never noticed them on the first watch. But if you go back and rewatch it, you'll notice them, it really a surreal experience!
6:59 “She wants Lloyd to feel the same pain that she felt when she lost her parents”
And she does this by BRINGING BACK ONE OF HIS PARENTS
Ah yes. You must feel the same pain I felt. Even though you already lost both of them I’ll bring back your father and make you feel more pain by making him evil which my parents were totally the opposite of because they sacrificed themselves. That seems fair /s
It's real.
@@Rylocand I agree. Yes most indeed.
@@Rylocand spoiler for crystalized; the fact that she had such a big personality change after realising the overlord (the person she was basically worshipping for literally breathing and doing anything) was the one that indirectly killed her parents and was the reason why garmadon turned evil is so stupid. AND SHE CUTS OFF HIS HAND LIKE ITS NOTHING? LLOYD AND GARMADON BOTH COULDNT EVEN LAY A SINGLE FINGER ON THE CK,, and she just does it like that
she brought back the evil garmadon and killed off the pure and good sensei garmadon
basically yes bringing him back from the dead but he isnt the same as before and is irredeemable
I heard that Mr. E was originally meant to reveal himself as Echo Zane, hence the letter E to his name. However due to time constraints the writers are forced to scrap the idea.
God that would have been interesting
@@toxiwashere I think it was a good idea not to because Mr E was so irrelevant after his death it seemed like nobody even cared
It wasn't exactly time constraints, it just wasn't relevant enough to the story. If they brought back Echo Zane, it would open up a can of worms about how Jay and Nya rewrote time and then they would have to explain to the rest of the Ninja what happened and all of that would distract from the main plot of Season 8. The story would have lost focus so they dropped it.
There are actually Storyboards about their fight, including it being voice acted.
It could always happen in Crystalized. We still don't know much about Mr F. He is apparently a updated model of Mr E but we don't know if he's a completely different robot or Mr E's conscience with a new body. If the latter is the case he could be revealed as Echo Zane. I mean I guess he could've been brought back since Harumi is the Crystal Kings second in command but it still feels random to bring him back of all characters unless they were going to set up a bit reveal.
I loved Zane’s human form and I wish they kept it as his primary form, with him occasionally using the titanium form
ironically Zane's voice actor says the same kind of
Tbh I HATE IT it was too lego movi it was depersonlised ik he is a robot but that he was so much "human"
It's just my option on zanes new dising
@@Owudukan I agree with you
Besides it could be used semilarly to a super seiyin thing. Have his outer layer of skin fall out when he’s been fighting a tough battle for a while, shredded by the enemy, revealing his titanium form.
But now that its constantly there, its not as special or cool anymore.
Also, honestly, always hated zane’s hair. Not the style mind you, just the weird front of it. His old hair definately handled it better, but still kinda wonky.
@@Owudukan that desing of zayn was before the movie
You know, I find it interesting that you think Harumi doesn't have the most interesting personality because I think it's the exact opposite. Harumi isn't a character who's so cut and dry and being evil and just tricking Lloyd the entire time, she is way more complex than that.
The thing that makes Harumi interesting how she forces the audience to wonder what her mask is, which is fitting because the entire seasons is about masks and this was clearly a deliberate motif. In her introduction, Harumi talks about wearing a mask and it is a very relatable concept to Lloyd. We the audience first think Harumi is talking about how being a princess is a mask, but in reality is is her kind, normal face which is the mask that covers up her evil and vengeful side (with this double meaning dialogue being another excellent component of her character!)
But the think about Harumi is that she is a foil character to Lloyd. Everything Lloyd feels about losing his loved ones is something that Harumi felt, except instead of moving past it and growing as a person, Harumi became consumed by her sorrow and let it destroy her morality. So from this we see a very interesting and contrast yet parallel between Lloyd and Harumi, shades of Lloyd's personally can be seen in her.
And the fact that Lloyd and Harumi are so similar further benefits her character because the way she deceives Lloyd is by relating to him. Like she is lying about being his friend sure, but everything she says is laced with truth. In a weird way, she does relate to Lloyd and uses their commonality to get close. She has great sadness about losing her parents, she is a kindred spirit to Lloyd, she wants safety and protection. These are truths and the complex part about her personality is realizing that throughout her deception, these were very earnest expressions of her emotions.
In fact, it's not just the audience who needs to hash out what was and wasn't deception with Harumi, I think Lloyd and Harumi need to figure it out too. I'm going to make a *bold* claim here, I think Harumi really did like Lloyd and even her adoptive parents. I think that's evident in her dialogue given how even she calls Lloyd and herself "kindred spirits" and says "You're emotions, it's hard to think. I felt those feelings too".
I don't think she's lying here, she really did care about Lloyd, but the difference is that in spit of those feelings, she clung to her convictions of hatred and wanted Lloyd to die. She literally choose to wear her mask of hatred and let that define her actions. That is an extremely complex character, for she evidently hated Lloyd more than she grew to love him from the limited time they had together.
Like I think you can sum up Harumi with the line "I had to repress those feelings, I had to wear a mask until the time was right for me to take control." Well then the question becomes, what was the mask? What were those feelings. Was it feelings of hatred (for her adoptive parents and Lloyd) that were repressed and hidden by a mask of love? Or was it feelings of genuine love that were repressed by hidden by a mask of hatred?
I think it was the latter. Because you don't get the amazing dialogue she had with Lloyd unless there is something earnest underneath. No one is born evil, you let yourself become that way when you let your hatred define you. Harumi wasn't born bad either, but her ultimate downfall was deciding to hate and refusing to let anything else change her mind, even when she herself began to feel love. She chose to wear a mask of hatred and only at the very end when she saved that family and looked Lloyd in the eyes did she finally take it off. It the first action she made in long while that was motivated by love not hate. That's when the mask came off, but unfortunately, as the audience and Harumi both witnessed, it came off too late to save her.
And that's why I think Harumi is one of the most complex, deep, intriguing, and best written characters in not just Ninjago, but all of fiction. If you made it this far, thank you for reading and remember, we all choose the masks we wear. A mask does not have to be a bad thing, it can make you strong, as you embrace a better and noble identity. That's what Lloyd does when he wears a mask, that's what so many superheroes do when they wear makes. Let it only be a good mask that defines you and never let a mask of fear, anger, or hatred ever cover up your better self as both Harumi and Anakin Skywalker sadly did.
obi wan why did you write an entire essay about how much you like harumi
obi wan why so much also OBI-WAN you wacth ninjago but your from star wars so is ninjago in star war
(i know it just a name but it so funny)
obi wan i agree with you. harumi is an epic character who was written well and honestly she's one of my favourite villains
I agree with you completely, I would have loved to see her survive and what would have happened because I really think she changed in that moment when she saved that family.
Harumi and season 4 Skylor along with season 8-9 Lloyd are my favorite characters because of the complexity in their character.
@@chris_aguy2141 i think you need to catch up to crystalized my guy
Dang straight that scene with Harumi and Lloyd in the cave with the Oni Mask is the most intense scene in the show! I'd even go as far as to say it's the best scene in all of Ninjago history! Like it's beyond perfect in terms of cinematography, directing, voice acting, animation, dialogue, and music!
It's a masterclass, my jaw was one of floor when I saw it and it was so good, I kept rewinding and rewatching it because I kept finding hidden details that made it even more interesting than the last time I saw it!
"beyond perfect" lmao that doesn't make any sense 💀💀
@@igotin9264 Could you please elaborate on why that doesn't make any sense? It just looks like they're trying to describe how good that scene was. I do not mean to be rude I would just like to hear why that doesn't make any sense to you because that doesn't make any sense to me.
hey
As someone who has only seen through the show once, I would argue that Lloyd and Garmadon's fight in Cryptarium Prison was better. But dang, that season had some intense scenes. I love it.
I think there are a few better scenes, but that one is a top tier scene for sure.
I recently rewatched the Oni Trilogy and I loved it even more than I did before, especially Hunted.
Also, I don’t mind the design changes. It makes the characters look older and showcases their maturity, whilst allowing them to age, much like what How To Train Your Dragon did with it’s protagonists
How tf are they looking older? I totally don't understand those claims. New designs were made specifically for the movie and therefore they are very stereotypical. Not just stereotypical, but extremely cliched. They are made to be funny, to make fun of your typical "teen superhero crew" and I'm totally fine with that. It's one big parody of TMNT, Power Rangers, Kung-Fu Panda and a lot of other shows and movies. But what's the point of putting over the top comically stupid designs into the show and pretending to be serious afterwards? Sorry, but I can't take them seriously at all. Kai is now edgy, Nya is your typical action girl and Zane is just an idiot. They all (except Lloyd) became much *younger* than they were before.
To stop the whole industry from decaying we should stop justifying greedy marketing decisions, that's my point.
The same way I feel about personalities. Literally every main character besides Cole and Lloyd not only stopped development, but seemed to lose all development they had before. But that's the topic for another rant, I guess.
@@antonovsiannikov4547 here, have a snickers
Jay would kinda be in the reverse.
If anything. Some of the ninja's designs would work better for the original meeting flashback, since they all generally look younger, with zane symbolising how he was the serious one, with the short haircut to back it up with.
@@antonovsiannikov4547 for real. I hate the new designs it just feels like a different show with different characters. The movie designs are just way too basic and dumb compared to the last 7 seasons. They really disconnected me from the show after that
@@Toasted0range idc what you say about the designs but lloyd's voice change was one of the best decisions made by the Ninjago Team
I love Lloyd’s new voice, I have nothing against Jillian Michaels, but Lloyd’s voice needed to become more mature eventually, for s1-5 it worked, but after that it got annoying for me
Yea I’m really happy they did decide to change his voice. It’s very fitting with the direction they took his character.
The original voice was great when he is a kid especially when it was played for comedy. Some of the funniest lines in the show were Lloyd being an obnoxious brat and they were mostly funny because of the great delivery of the lines. But in season 2 and going forward, it was a bizarre mismatch between the suddenly very mature acting Lloyd and him being the leader of the group and a very young sounding boyish voice. it just doesnt work very well.
Good video, I just have one thing to point out. Lloyd's arc in Hunted was to restore his confidence and have him become a better leader, which is the reason he doesnt act this way in Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu like you mentioned. Secrets' job is resolving Lloyd's actual trauma from the Oni Trilogy which is why he's the one to face of against the Ice Emperor, because the season has constantly been paralleling him to Garmadon
Damn yes
You’re a genius
A lot of people didn't like the redesigns, but honestly once you get used to them they're a lot better than the old ones, less generic, and somehow it still fits the voice actors really well.
@Switchblade1013Cole looks younger too tbh
A love the way they changed Llyod's character in this season. In the earlier seasons, he could go through the most horrific thing in his life and than move on in the next season. For Sons Of Garmadon and beyond, it really wraps up Lloyd's true feelings about losing his father in S4, while also giving us a new character for Lloyd to mourn (Harumi). I loved how in S9-S15 Lloyd never gets over what Harumi did and how Harumi "died". One of my favourite moments that I believe really encapsulates this premise is when Cole becomes friends with princess Vania which in turn make Lloyd get defensive and anxious, to the point he tries to persuade Cole into regecting Vania friendship because he believes that his friend is in danger, due to the fact that "all princess are the same".
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My take on Garmadon in Season 8 was that he's broken mentally. Remember, he's just been revived so there are gaps in his head. He's a mindless zombie who was slowly remembering who he was.
Probably the main reason why Harumi is one of Ninjago’s best antagonists imo is probably because of her motivations as you mentioned, but mainly to me, her interactions with Lloyd. She isn’t too interesting without him being there, but each scene where they are both speaking to each other is amazing.
Thank you so much! In comparison to more mainstream cartoons, Ninjago rarely gets the attention it deserves. I'm so happy to see someone stepping up and making some analytical videos about it, and good-quality ones too!
Ninjago is definitely very underrated in the cartoon space online. I hope to encourage more in depth discussion with the show. We need more stuff like ninjago cast and marvelous cast to spark more in depth discussion with the shows writings and themes. I’m glad people are enjoying it! ( :
As someone who is a little more mixed on Sons of garmadon than other fans, I must say I was very impressed with how you brought up the season's strengths while also being unafraid to occassionally point out its weaknesses.
This video really softened my criticisms on Season 8 and now I'm tempted to rewatch the season to see if I cam warm up to it alot more
I personally believe Garmadon talks wierd at first because in a way he’s kind of a zombie. Like he’s recently been resurrected so I think throughout the rest of SOG and hunted he becomes accustomed to his new body. But I love you points here great video. SOG is probably my top 5 fav seasons.
Very good review and season, I just wish Kai wasn’t so bland (as you said) and Nya just felt like a npc tbh
I actually really liked Nya this season! For the first time, she didn't just feel tacked on as a Ninja. She had a great supporting role and often made the mature decisions of the group. She also served an excellent role as mechanic and pilot.
For the first time since joining the team, I felt like she had an actual role and I liked her. She had a tough, no-nonsense attitude but was empathetic to Lloyd and Harumi. She gave them heartfelt talks that no other member of the team would have been able to. She kind of felt like a mom, but in a good way as she was easy to talk to and caring while not being not afraid to lay down the smack when needing to either.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi feel exactly the same. I lover her character in season 8 and onwards actually
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi they basically gave her kai's personality and left Kai with nothing
@@zarkahmed3199 I agree to a degree but they are a bit different. Kai seems to express his aggression inward which results in self loathing and brooding while Nya expresses aggression outward by freaking out or shouting. Nya has a short fuse while Kai has a deep anger.
Another way they are different is Nya often takes a more support role while Kai takes a more active role. I agree that recently they've been giving a lot of Kai's traits to Nya ever since season 11 to give Nya a stronger characterization but they're still different enough. I think the problem is less about Nya being given more character depth and more about Kai being mellowed out from his original role. We can still have Nya be super interesting, the writers just need give Kai that same level of consideration.
Kai really got the tip of the stick, while he may have the most seasons his character has gotten a serious downgrade and still, over 11 years, not defeated a season villain. #JusticeforRedNinja
I liked how this season looked like some kind of video game, with the fights, the plot and the visuals
To support your dialogue notion, the Lloyd vs Harumi fight in the Oni Temple. That has some of the best Dialogue of the entire show.
As a side note, her flashback made my favorite episode, “Day Of The Great Devourer”, much better and made my favorite scene of the episode, The Ultra Dragon vs The Great Devourer fight, much more tragic
That flashback had my shocked when I first saw it. The way they tied the events of the great devourer so seamlessly into harumi’s motivations is just amazing and is really rewarding for long time fans. Almost makes you wonder how many casualties happened with wojira and other large scale ninjago city threats.
@@bendobricks exactly. When I first watched that, it reminded me heavily of Godzilla doing the same thing in Godzilla (2014). It helps that she's named after the character
@@bendobricks Wojira was one that nearly made my jaw drop because I didn't expect how quickly they'd show the city flood. Within like a few moments you can be certain by any realistic standard that hundreds or even thousands of people are dead right off the bat.
It took me a little while to get used to the new character designs and the new Lloyd but then I loved the season. It was fantastic, it’s one of my favourites now, and I loved the music, specifically Harumi’s theme. It’s sweet but sad, it’s in a minor key, and it’s simple. That’s my favourite kind of music because I get the most emotion out of it, Harumi is definitely one of my favourite villains and also just as a character in general.
In the soundtrack “The Mask of Hatred” it’s mostly just music for the fight scene, but there’s a few little moments with Harumi’s theme, but it’s quiet and kind of shrouded, which is perfect for Harumi because although most of her is evil, there’s still a little bit of good.
Yes!!! The music for this show is incredible and has played a big role in inspiring me to make music. I definitely want to make some videos analyzing ninjagos amazing soundtrack.
@@bendobricks yeah! That would be great! I’d definitely watch that
I can't watch it because of how they ruined Kai's personality and character, luckily new Kai doesn't appear much in season 9
@@zarkahmed3199 you can’t watch just because of that? That’s not a huge inconvenience, you can still watch the show for everything else, like I did
Also don't get it why death of Harumi's parents is more tragic than death of Zane or Nya. They are the characters we got to know, grew to love them, and they literally die on screen, quite unexpectedly. That's much more heartbreaking, imo.
I agree, Harumi is the worst antagonist of Ninjago, her motivation are very childish in my opinion. She's not like Garmadon, Pythor or Nadakhan. I don't know why everyone love her, she is too over-estimate to a female character of Ninjago. The scenarist make her come back, just why ?
10:55, I never noticed the mistake here, Lloyd’s eyes are green, even though he lost to garmadon allready
Great review! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was super impressed by the dialogue in season 8. It felt so much more natural. The action is also so much better and it was clear that the ninja improved so much in their combat
I think we can all At least agree on the fact that after this season, lloyd really needs to go to therapy
I completely agree that Garmadon was far more interesting and better delivered in Hunted, but I think between the scene in the cave and the fight at Krytparium this season does hold really a unique place in Ninjago history. I love the fact that they were able to build on plot points from the last season while also making them feel natural here. Harumi ties everything together and to this day I don't think we'll get a more interesting villain. By the end of the season, she won. She got everything she wanted. And it's interesting to see how that went into Hunted, where she had to deal with Garmadon and the repercussions of her actions. It kept me from aging out of the show after Hands of Time and really shows how Ninjago continued to evolve and evolve.
Ninjago was definitely going the wrong direction in terms of quality around hands of time, but Sons of Garmadon really took us in a fresh amazing new direction we NEEDED. Great video!
Yes! Sons of Garmadon was such a nice surprise and without it I don’t know where we would be with the show right now!
Knowing hands of time was kinda bad makes me feel a little better because I had to rewatch the season since it just didn't seem interesting and I lost focus on it.
SOG was crazy, with great shots, storylines, and villains
I agree with you on your opinions, i wish Mr. E's mystery is fully explained
In my opinion, possession will always be the best ninjago arc. But I have to say this one nearly gave it a run for its money, its probably the second best ninjago arc in all of history. Everything about it is just so great, man I love this arc.
Very nice video! Quite neatly organized and it was very well produced for a first video. I definitely agree with you in that SoG was a breath of fresh air that Ninjago desperately needed. The previous seasons(particularly 5, 6, and 7) followed a relatively formulaic story and SoG takes that formula and turns it on its head to pave Ninjago into a new era. I do think that the execution of the story was very well done for the most part and the portrayals of most of the characters was exceptional. Since I enjoy almost everything in this season as it is my 3rd favorite, I will mostly just cover some flaws that I find in it that I personally find that hold it back. Some of the episodes to me have strange scenes and plot points such as the crab fight in episode 81. The premiere of the season is also a big setback to the season as a whole in my opinion as it is the episode that a lot of returning(old) fans will watch to see if the show is any good at seasons 8+ with all the changes. Unfortunately, I feel that the premiere doesn’t do the season justice as a whole and in a way alienates returning fans from the show. I don’t mind any of the changes that were brought upon season 8+ now, but I think that the poor integration into the newer style in the premiere is definitely a large setback. As for characterization, I can’t help but feel that Lloyd is a little too focused on and kind of overshadows the other ninja. Jay, Nya, and Kai don’t get much of a role in this season and almost every other Ninjago season gives most of the ninja roles(whether that be good or bad). Of course Lloyd’s characterization was amazing this season, but I would personally have preferred an approach that Seabound took where almost all of non-focused ninja had decent roles. Another minor nitpick that I have with this season is Hutchins as he’s quite bland and mainly there for introduction. Now, the biggest part of SoG is the mystery aspect which I think is both the season’s strength and weakness. Of course, the degree of the twist blows fans away and the overall unexpected outcome of the season is a huge plus. However, I can’t help but feel that the season focuses a little too much on the mystery aspect of the plot instead of the actual story part of the plot. I believe that an approach that Season 1 took would have greatly benefited season 8 where the mystery aspect is mainly pushed to the side and comes to the center very occasionally. To me, this approach benefits rewatches greatly and drives the plot forward more smoothly, especially for a show like Ninjago where I personally don’t think mystery is the focus genre. Finally, I feel that the ending of the season doesn’t feel too “earned” for the villains in a sense. I do like that Lloyd’s downfall was a huge part of the team’s downfall, but it shouldn’t have been the only and main reason why the ninja lost. I believe that the show should have explored a flaw that the team as a whole had without Master Wu, perhaps with disorganization and poor leadership. I know that the ending shows that in a way, but it should have been a little more explicit in my opinion to really hammer home the message that the ninja couldn’t protect the city. With all this being said though, I still fully enjoy SoG. I completely support all the praise that the season gets for the aspects it does brilliantly, but I feel that a few of the flaws that it has (to me at least) are a little important to discuss. I’ve even analyzed the flaws of my other favorite seasons too and no season is ever perfect although it can be phenomenal.
Woohoo! This is a great video Ben! Sons of Garmadon was so well made, both character development and story were very well made.
I like to believe the Royal Family actually came out of nowhere due to the effects that occurred in Hamds Of Time. After all: It was (theorized really) explained that the ninja got their new designs from the effects of time.
It was actually confirmed that was where the Royal Family came from in Golden Hour
@@skylandersfan6954 I was literally showing my little brother Golden Hour a few minutes ago lol
"the great devourer was to strong for you and your frieds"
girl...he had 9 years at the time
"Garmadon's voice is weird" nah he just woke up from a bad sleep
A thing I noticed that didn’t really make sense was Harumi’s age in her flash back in the season. Remember Lloyd was aged up in the episode the ninja got aged down in season 1 or 2. So wouldn’t she still be way younger than him
Lloyd is probably 19 or something, safe to assume that Harumi is probably around 13 or so. That's just my uninformed guess.
@@itsfrankie757 Nah I’d say Harumi is 15.
Harumi when her parents died was the same age as lloyd before he was aged up
That one season that’s better for an older audience:
Son of Garmadon was my second favorite season after tournament of elements. Great tone and villains.
I don't get why Harumi isn't after Pythor, he's the one behind the Great Devourer, Lloyd may have freed him, but that was because he was a kid, who Garmadon left, so then she has to get revenge on Garmadon or the snake that bit him, which is the Great Devourer, also Garmadon wouldn't have defeated the Devourer if not ninja immobilising him, so they also saved the town, it's a lot of confusion if you think about it, so why get revenge on anybody then?
Because a lot of Harumi's foundational beliefs were formed in the direct aftermath of a very traumatic moment. When something traumatic happens, you usually don't think clearly. Like Harumi didn't even see Garmadon destroy the Devourer or know what the Ninja did, but this social workers haphazardly talking about it is how Harumi picked it up.
Normally you aren't so profoundly influenced by what random people say, but Harumi was a child who had just been shattered by the death of her parents so those random words are what created her entire philosophy on life. And that foundational philosophy obviously isn't logical, but when you are child who's shellshocked logic isn't really a factor.
If those social workers talked about Pythor Harumi would probably want revenge on him instead of the Ninja. That's because Harumi's perspective isn't based on logic, it's based on emotion that warps her reality. Harumi's broken worldview is too intertwined with her trauma and because she never moved past her trauma she also never moved past that childish, broken worldview. I genuinely think it is some of the best and most clever writing I have ever seen for a villain and it was conveyed in a Lego show about Ninja. It's really a testament to how good Ninjago's writing is and how perfect Harumi's character was.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Makes sense, but I expected her to at least make an investigation now that's she's a child no more.
@@dangamertop9253 That is what a well adjusted adults would do. But Harumi's trauma warped her to the point where she is not a well adjusted adult and therefore does not have the emotional capacity or awareness to reexamine her history.
It's a vicious cycle. Her trauma warped her mind and because her mind is warped, she can't reason out that it is warped.
It's to the point where I'd argue she might have an actual disorder associated with her childhood trauma. She reminds me of other people who have various mental disorders (like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, dissociative personality disorder, etc) because of a traumatic or abusive childhood.
Blame the nurses
Or blames the writers
In sons of garmadon it seems like garmadon is just a monster and as his story progresses in the other seasons he starts to care more and his voice changes as he does
Now I really like season 8 and I do think it’s one of the best seasons but I do hate the fact that they completely got rid of elemental dragons and airjitzu
I just realised that harumi “died” the same way her parents did which is why she was so offended in crystallised
Season 2 of Ninjago will always be my favorite season Zane is such an awesome character when he figures out he’s a robot you feel for him. But great vid I like this season too
Technically that's season 1 I think
What I wanna see is what the writers do with harumi in the future. Now that she’s good I think she’s gonna be like another skylor but to keep her a lot more different than skylor she definitely needs 2 things.
1. A power, either let her keep her crystal power with the drawback of using it too much at once corrupts her, or give her another loose end power like wind.
2. Give her a bit more screen time and maybe (this is more or less what I want) her own arc like jay ams nyas in skybound that vastly improves the relationship between Lloyd and harumi, bringing Lloyrumi to life, if you can’t tell I’m a lloyrumi fan
Likewise. I feel that a redemption arc in season 15 could've worked, where she atones for, and regrets her crimes, along with repairing her relationship with Lloyd, but they needed to actually focus on that over filler episodes and fake-out deaths. That and the 6 writers constantly contradicting each other.
Also in the backstory they used the old designs which I found very funny
dead mans squall is still the best episode of ninjago to this date
This channel is really underrated.
I remember back when this season came out, I was feeling a bit burnt out from Ninjago. Season 7 didn't hit for me in the same way that both Seasons 5 & 6 did, I'd found many other new series to focus on, and of course, the Movie didn't help much when it came to maintaining my hype. Pair that with what looked to be a fairly mediocre set lineup, and I had very low expectations going into this, not watching it until a good few months after it came out (though that happened with Season 7 as well I suppose). And then I watched S.o.G. and remembered why I love this show. And then Season 9 was great too! While Season 5 remains my favorite season for a number of subjective reasons, 8 & 9 are absolutely the peak of Ninjago's writing, and despite the new seasons' constant improvement, I doubt we'll see anything like S.o.G. or Hunted again. Hey, at least we got to see them
I believe that the reason Harumi didn't escape the castle before the explosion was because it'd be extremely suspicious to see her gone while it happened, maybe instead she went to a room which had less explosives, or only had explosives in the roof, and not the ground or walls, I mean, she wasn't in her bedroom or in the throne room. But that's just my take.
honestly, i didn’t really have any problems with this season. I found the desings fine, i like them more than the original in my opinion. But if they are older i felt they shud look older, while cole and lloyd do look older, zayn looks ok (since he can’t age yk), but jay and kai look less matured, i still like their designs. Overall, i’m pretty happy with this season, im actually not a long time fan and hv only recently started watching, im on s10, so i might be wrong, maybe my opinion can change throughout s10 to s16, but for now i think ninjago is pretty great
I actually really like hands of time.
Sons of garmadon is actually my favourite season of ninjago. I really love the oni and dragon trilogy.
Sons of Garmadon used to be my favorite season for years! 💚
This Garmadon shows how much control good Garmadon had over the evil in him in season 1 and 2. Now he has no good left in him. No sensei Garmadon :(
Just one thing though. Garmadon was meant to sound very different this time, because he is different. He's like the Frankenstein monster, he can barely speak, he breathes heavily. He is not really self-aware. He needs Harumi to explain things to him, because he doesn't understand. She summoned him, and so he just sort of does her bidding. In this way, he's like a golem or something. The writers, and voice actor discussed this. He was meant to be more robotic, a shell. He doesn't remember a lot of his former self, doesn't even recognise a picture of himself. And he has to relearn about the world like a child, but guided by evil that is Harumi, and the SoG. That was the entire point. He's not himself right now, and so he cannot be reasoned with. Not yet anyway. Now we all know that's not really true, and he turns good again. It was just sort of buried deep in him this time.
Oh, and the bit with him fighting Lloyd, completely traumatised us. My kids and I actually cried. I was like, what the hell did I just watch?? It was so heartbreaking, cause they had loved each other so much. For both their sake, as you knew that Garmadon would never do this otherwise, and once he became aware, would never forgive himself. The picture blowing away in the wind, and the sad music. OMG. The most traumatic part of Ninjago's entire run imo. More than any other deaths, or any of it. All of them sad, but this was the worst.
Yeah it was so sad also thanks for explaining why Garmadon was acting different after Hurumi Resurrected him
Garmadon is a literal shambling corpse after his ressurection. You can see that in his mumbling along with the fact that he has a visibly open ribcage with purple blood oozing out.
And then they pulverized it after March of the Oni. Absolutely pulverized it.
I disagree. S11 onwards is probably my favorite era of the show. The only exception is Prime Empire, but the other season were fantastic
I respect your opinion but seriously. Watch Sons of Garmadon, and then watch any of the new seasons. The graphics? awful. The story? They pull things out of their ass to keep the show going for no reason, seriously we heard of filler episodes, this show now has filler seasons. Like tell me one permanent thing that happened in season 11, prime empire or mountain other than adding two new villains for no reason and some reverse character development. Like seriously, they ruined every single good bit of character development and every personality trait of the ninja like they were born a day prior. It's just sad
@@Amityz72323 That argument could be used for any season in Ninjago lmao. The animation is great, probably the best we’ve seen: movement and visuals. Also, there is no filler in Ninjago other than “The Absolute Worst”. I also fail to see how any of the characters regressed. Some of the show’s worst stuff came from the earlier seasons (S2 and Rebooted). Also saying the newer seasons have zero impact is straight up a lie. Lloyd’s development in S11 is used in The Island when Lloyd speaks to Twitchy Tim, Shintaro was used in Seabound, Explorer’s club was used in The Island and Seabound, world building with the Never Realm, Shintaro, Merlopia, etc. That’s a season’s job: introduce new things to the show. Even with the examples I listed it shows they’re using their resources. S11 onwards has been phenomenal and reignited the love I have for the show
@@jacaerys4I genuinely liked season 11 it was nice and funny it was start of a new era so it’s nice they calmed things down a bit after what we’ve been through and seen from the oni trilogy, I won’t say season 12 was bad, but I never really cared about it, it just felt really bland, season 13 and 14 where absolutely amazing and Crystalized is the only season in the 11 minute era that I genuinely don’t like but the animation quality was at it’s peak the visuals where amazing the story telling was pretty good most especially in Masters of the mountains and the fights where definitely the best right before Dragons rising so honestly the s11-s14(fuck Crystalized) was actually pretty well really good definitely not better than Dragons Rising, Masters of Spinjitzu and The Oni Trilogy, but I’m not surprised it’s your favourite it was a really nice reboot that went from decent to amazing and Crystalized was like the only genuinely awful season of the era so I’m not gonna let it cloud my judgement of the entire era lol, but it’s definitely a highly underrated era(I think at least I have no idea how much people like this on average)
Honestly I feel like Jay's character Reset from Hands of Time Should've been at least somewhat fixed, Skybound was so good For him but Hands of time...It was such a dissapoinment
Yeah it really was disappointing for me too. Ever since Hands Of Time, his character has just gotten more and more just comic relief guy, annoying and he’s lost most of his interesting traits he had in Skybound. Such a shame really. 🙁
Harmi really did say mean things to Lloyd to get the oni mask
I'll be honest, Ninjago redeemed itself when I found out that the tv voice actors/actresses would still be around after the movie.
Hey! I just found your channel, like, JUST found it!
When sons of garmadon came out, I was put off by the redesigns and lloyd's new voice, so I stopped watching at... about the 2nd episode?
I finally came back to ninjago as a series only about a month ago, I binged every episode from the pilot to seabound, which I finished yesterday, I'm glad to finally be back in the loop
Anyways, sons of garmadon was awesome, my only problem is.. well, Garmadon. He was one of my favourite characters in seasons 1-2, and my absolute favourite in season 3-4. He just, isn't the same character anymore, which, I know that's the point, but still, I really wanted the old Garmadon back
other than that, sons of garmadon was, as I said, amazing.
The Oni trilogy will always be peak Ninjago for me
honestly for the ninjago movie it shouldve been more related to ninjago lore than it was to lego lore
In the golden hour shorts it when who is knocked against the monastery wall which created the logo of the royal family
We did learn who Mr E is he’s echo Zane got revealed because the writer said it would be too complicated to put it in
FINALLY A VIDEO ON BENDOBRICKS!
Also Hands of Time was good, change my mind.
Grrrr
How dare you say that
Haha ima startin a war
THIS WHOLE VIDEO I WAS LITERALLY NODDING AND AGREEING THE ENTIRE FREAKING TIME I HAVE THE SAME OPINION
I like call the seasons 8, 9 and 10 the "Oni Trilogy"
Harmi is a monster in the game of masks
Very Excellent Review
It always starts with the villen
Another banger as always bendobricks!
I heard that harmi is the quite one and behind all of this
Lloyd almost died fighting his father Lloyd lost his powers and garmodon has a dark potential that bet Lloyd he almost died
You should look at Possession and Hunted!
I think I heard from some media that originally season 8 would’ve been a continuation of season 7
I prefer every one of the movie designs to the originals, except Kai (and zane but it's just because I think his hair looks doofy). but I'm pretty sure kai's hair change was to make it possible to model it in form since his hair spikes were so thin that if they made an accurate hair piece, it would bend too easily.
Kinda funny why harumi blamed Lloyd and the ninja for the devourerer when Pythor was the one to release it.
11:12 i would LOVE to hear this discussion lmfao
I love how they all come back in the new season cristalized
5:06 no he has a point
Lloyd should have seen though harmi
I remember when this shit was just ninjas vs serpentine
Lloyds new voice actor was so so much better I hated the old voice it just annoyed me and I love Lloyd’s character
Mr E was intended to be Echo Zane
Garmadon: *has epic redemption arc and is a great mentor the Ninja and forges a good relationship with his son, then sacrifices himself to rid Ninjago of the Anacondrai once more*
Season 8: evil garmadon go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Whats crazy is that his return didn't undervalue the redemption at all
one thing I noticed is how Harumi is like a child, roughly around the age of Lloyd pre tea, but when Lloyd started liking her, she must have been at least 3 to 4 years younger than him. Kinda makes Lloyd a pred if you ask me
It's hilariously ironic how _Sons of Garmadon_ felt more like a high-end, Hollywood, blockbuster movie than the actual _LEGO Ninjago Movie!_
"And they (the Hageman Brothers) brought in the sensibility where this isn't a dumb TV show for kids. No, this is a high-end, Hollywood, blockbuster movie. That's what they brought into it, and that's how they approached it." - Tommy Andreasen praising the Hageman Brothers' during the Ten Years of Spinjitzu Documentary
how do you only have 775 subs? you deserve way more dude!
For people who understand good writing yes.....but not for people who cry over the new designs....and that are many people...
People who don’t like ninjago because of redesigns are the most braindead people in existence
literally
You forgot Kai fans. I can't watch that season just because of how they ruined Kai's personality and made him a side character
Bendo(ver)Bricks
rip Kai’s personality
Its the same?
IMO I think The Empire Strikes Back is as much of a comparison here as Infinity War. The hero coming into his own and getting trashed by his father parallels it pretty well
I really hated what they did to Kai, the continuity and most of all Lloyd getting the spotlight again after the zillionth time. I love LLoyd but you got to admit he gets too much spotlight.
what did they do to kai in season 8?
They didnt do anything to Kai in season 8
I really need to know your thoughts on the entirety of S11 especially since it starts off the Wildbrain Era of Ninjago
I definitely have a lot of opinions on that season for sure. I’ll be sure to add it to the list of potential video topics!
I’m a big Lego ninjago fan and I loved the Lego ninjago movie, except for Kai’s hair piece I think it looked better shorter, also I don’t know why but for all Lego set that have Kai in them I changed all his swords with the red ones used by the sons of garmadon because I think the red swords fit with the red ninja
Great video
Mr E is coming back in the new season
Very underated
Honestly the movie designs have grown on me. They look older and more experienced than their og designs. Not saying I prefer the movie designs, I just think they work well
Only one of the Smith sibs can have a personally per season.
I do like The harumi reveal but i feel like they could have dropped small indications of it here and there
Like If you went Back and watched there could have been some things she said or did that you could pin point to be her woking as the quiet one that at The first watch seems totally innocent
There actually were a few things but the writers were so clever that most viewers didn't notice them.
Like when Lloyd and Harumi face Ultra Violent, Ultra Violet gets the mask because Harumi drops it. We think it's an accident but Harumi really did it on purpose. Later when Ultra Violet gets a call, it's from a distinctly green phone, a color associated with Harumi and that call comes when Harumi told the Ninja she should be doing something "more useful". Her lullaby was also very suspicious and she knew how to get Wu to sleep, probably because she used it to make him to sleep before when he was kidnapped. And as they get closer to the temple Harumi lets it slip that she is actually very good with a sword and kisses Lloyd to distract him from that fact.
Also, much of Harumi's dialogue has huge double meanings. She says "I would give anything to see my parents again" and "the most dangerous enemy is the one you never knew was there in the first place" and "I need you!" These are when the mask slips from Harumi's disguise and you see her true intentions. So there actually were many subtle hints and indications that Harumi was the Quiet One when makes her reveal that much more amazing because most people never noticed them on the first watch. But if you go back and rewatch it, you'll notice them, it really a surreal experience!
The ninjago movie was good as its own thing
Woah thats legos