I actually think Africa could be set for a huge revolution if they can finally electrify a grid using renewable solar + storage. They could be one of the big beneficiaries of the green revolution because they are perfect for Solar!
EV have less infrastructure requirement than ICE vehicles when it comes to scaling because it relies of existing electricity grid, and if Toyota really cares about third world countries, then they shouldn’t push for hydrogen vehicles - option with largest infrastructure up front cost and least accessible to non-developed countries.
@@hakuhyo174 lmao the fact they depend on the grid means they have Way more infrastructure requirements. Since most grids are running at near capacity.
@@marcinm2871 You’re missing the point. No one is saying it’s easy, but *easier*. It’s easier to scale an existing framework, even one that’s at full capacity, than building something from scratch. There’s literally no existing hydrogen infrastructure, which Toyota is actively pushing while making hypocritical arguments about infrastructure cost.
Toyota doesn't focus too much about first mover advantage. It focuses on being the most reliable and durable car in any engine type be it hybrid or internal combustion. If Toyota decides to take on the EV market with full speed it's because they are confident that it will be the most reliable and durable in that segment too. That's Toyota's DNA and it's worked very well for them and their customers. This is from a business and customer satisfaction point of view.
@SilverFish Exactly. People keep making excuses for Toyota, but the reality is that Toyota is being disrupted and is very behind on BEVs, let alone PHEVs. BYD makes more PHEVs than Toyota, and is also rapidly growing their BEV production volume on top of that. Tesla is ramping up production too fast for Toyota. Together, Tesla and BYD will sell over 4 million BEVs alone this year, while Toyota and VW will sell around 16 million ICE vehicles by year end. The gap is closing fast. Tesla and BYD will replace Toyota and VW as the leading global automakers by production volume by 2027.
@silverfish4500 The tech used for plug in hybrids is basically the same as an pure EV, it just has an onboard generator. Their techs already know how to work on these vehicles. Remove the ICE and you only make the vehicle more simple to manufacture and work on. Toyoto is not behind anyone, they are actually far ahead since they make reliable vehicles at an affordable price. Toyota has never been about making flashy super high performance/cool cars, as most people don't care about this, or dont car enough to pay the money for them.
FMA is of course a very real thing in tech. EVs, though, are way, way past any first-mover-advantage ground that Toyota might purposely have intended to cede to (primarily) Tesla, in order to pull an Apple-like move on the EV market. Toyota has all but missed the boat as anything more than an also-ran. They had the gateway to FMV with the Prius, and they let that go to waste. They sat on their laurels too long, (seemingly) hoping to keep cash in on their PBVs (pollution-based vehicles) for much, much longer... not realizing how much Tesla would make everyone else scramble to even be able to ante at the EV table.
We are missing the bigger picture, which is clean transportation. We could only achieve this with efficient city design, prioritizing walking for small distances, bikes and public transportation for medium ones, and railways for longer ones. It is not about switching cars from gas to electricity, it is about changing our high energy consumption society.
Clean transport it's just natural food / home grown diet. They like junk food either. People on one side like green transportation, but on the other side getting excited on fuel consuming car, drive a big car more than they need, get subsidized by gov.
The trouble is that modern urban infrastructure has been centred on motor vehicles for several decades; changing that infrastructure to allow everyone that wants to get around without using a motor vehicle is an enormous task, which is why no-one is seriously talking about doing away with the private motor vehicle.
I agree with Toyota. I dont own a home, i rent an apartment that doesn't have electric chargers. And there is no way in hell im gonna waste hours siting at public chargers on regular. Electric cars make sense for some more than others
Just curious: Do you not own a home because you prefer to rent, or because even just getting into a home is cost-prohibitive? Regardless, yeah, it'd be great if apartment-complex-owners would find a moral compass and a) bring solar panels into the mix for providing power at lower cost, and b) add charging outlets where the tenants park.
@@patricksweeney6334 Businesses do not have a heart. When the government offers tax incentives to add these items to new builds then they will make that move. The only thing apartments are worried about is making a profit.
because toyota is smart. don't fix what isn't broken. what do you think will happen when everyone goes over to ev? you think the price of electricity with out power grids barely able to keep up now, is going to remain low?
"Toyota, which sells 10.5 million cars a year in 170 countries, argues that many of those markets aren’t ready for electric vehicles" If Toyota went all EV, they truly would be abandoning a lot of developing nations with no hope of building up electric infrastructure by the time the rest of the industry transitions. They are the backbone of many commercial and domestic fleets
No car maker beyond a very niche few are all EV. One one succeeds (in fact only one new "larger" entrant globally in decades) . All mass car makers know this EV access is not an option in many markets. The problem is that the cost of developing all cars is often born by making good fat profits from the top end. And at the top end, three markets exist- US-Europe-China (japan internally was one once). At the higher end where cost of EV is less of an issue to buyers, EVs are taking an ever greater share. So if Lexus was to lose most of its market share to pure EVs then Toyota would find making newer ICEs for the mass market alot harder. Choice is already dropping as the SUV market eats other model sales.
You'd think they wouldn't want to fall behind in the key markets which represent the majority of their sales. Toyota barely sells any EVs. For instance in the largest car market in US, California, Toyota may be surpassed by Tesla as the #1 seller this year! In largest car market by country, China, likely around 1/3 of vehicles sold will be electric in 2023. These are huge markets Toyota is virtually absent from with EVs.
@@wemakecookie China will remain closed as they want their national champions to be protected. Japan did (and still does) the same in its market. The backlash will be when China wants to export into the big profitable markets. At present Europe is not protecting its own, as it wants to push its local car firms to be scared into making good EV products. China will find the US less open when it already does the same to US car makers ( most have left due to frustration in selling there). Tesla is only allowed to succeed there, to offer a nicer export brand to Europe and for Chinese firms to learn from a leader. The Japanese market (outside niche premium car sales) is also a weird one (microcars dominate) and shrinking every year in volume as the population size ages. Yet Toyotas (and Japan car inc) relies on US sales to stay afloat and generate the cash to remain a key player globally. As long as 2 of the biggest US states are not going to copy CAs efforts to curb car emissions, CA (and other similar states) will remain a pesky problem but not a big one, for now. China wants to export its EV strength. Europe is the logical 1st market.
@@stephendoherty8291 I disagree, I think what is happening in California is a prelude of what's to come to the rest of US soon. If you look at Cali EV marketshare 2-3 years ago, it's about the same as the current US EV marketshare. Toyota sells many vehicles in the EU and China as well and those markets are converting to EVs at an even faster rate. Toyota doesn't have the EV production to keep up, nor plans to grow its EV production quickly enough. And the growth in developing countries vehicle sales isn't enough to compensate. Also developing countries may skip the ICE vehicles and go right to EVs, the same as they did with landline phones, instead going straight to mobile.
@@wemakecookie Its unlikely that the charging infrastructure in developing countries (think Africa/South America/Low Income asian and middle eastern counties) will be there to allow a jump to EVs. Many African countries and some in Asia have trouble with getting electricity not to mention reliable power for an EV car move. China was already moving that way and yet western brands were even slow then to offer EV models (most were trying to meet demand in their "home" markets if they sold any).
There's no such thing as being late to the EV space. People will always buy new cars. As long as the car Toyota eventually makes has the features a customer wants, they'll buy it
Agreed. People are keeping their ICE cars up to 20+ years because it costs less to maintain an older car and buy used cars, than to buy new EV's. Until EV's become affordable, financially conscious people won't be buying them.
No, you can fall behind in the technology and thus build inadequate products. Tesla is solving EV problems and issues that Toyota doesn't even know exist.
YES, this is why Toyota is #1. They arent following the EV crowd. Their analyst see the same concerns the general public has and that were not ready for all EVs.
Exactly, people genuinely believe the "world" as they called is just US and Europe, Toyota knows their market. Even for me I moved to the Netherlands and have to buy a car, I thought going electric but I found short range cars with too high prices (above 30K) so I ended up with my classic small Toyota, great economy and great price (11K). I know if Toyota goes electric it's going to be an easy to charge, affordable, reliable, safe and comfortable car.
Also you can change the small phev battery in 1 hr for $2k. A fully EVs requires weeks to preorder and cost as much as the vehicle itself or 25k or more.
I've driven a 2005 Toyota Boon for a decade or so, and at 35mpg+ all this time, with little emissions and no oil burning, I'm delighted with the company. Where I live, EVs are not practical, as there are zero charging stations, and there won't be any for the foreseeable future. I suspect most of the world (at least in the global south) is in the same gas-driven boat.
(Also, um... not young...) "Where I live, EVs are not practical, as there are zero charging stations" Ok... Do you live somewhere that makes charging at home impractical/impossible? The only time I ever charge at a charging station is on a road-trip.
@@patricksweeney6334 yes, we just got 24x7 electricity here (Nepa) in the home a few years ago, before that the house ran on truck batteries. Even now, power cuts are like weather events... ya never know (we keep those truck batteries just in case). Most places I've been in the world of late look just like that, or worse. Sure, farmers here would love a tesla truck, but barely have enough power for the lights, or they would have to charge it using a diesel generator. And there's the rub.
@@patricksweeney6334 just because you have a consistent place to park where you can plug in doesn't mean everyone else does. I lived in New York City for years and every night just finding someplace to park that wasn't blocks away was a chore. You have to open your mind to the reality of other people's lives
@@magsteel9891 "I lived in New York City for years and..." Anyplace as densely populated as, say, NYC is a strong candidate for almost no one owning a car anyway, right? The challenge with that being that (usually-underfunded) public transportation has to be able to serve people-moving needs. One mind-opening that we as a society need to have is that, especially in-town, moving vast numbers of individuals around in massive steel cages (whether pollution-based or EVs) just doesn't work anymore. Considering how effectively the oil industry and legacy automakers have crippled public transportation, though, I'm real curious how we get out of this quagmire...
Most EVs are still expensive and unaffordable for most. Cheaper model only mostly mean less range and more compromise, which put it very unfavorable compared to ICE cars.
I saw a story on NBC News and affordability of an EV is complex and depends on where you live and where the car is made. EVs made in the US are eligible for a discount from the Federal government. You may also get a discount depending on which state you live in. They looked at one women who went with the EV and paid only $25,000 but normally sold for $35,000. Looking at a comparable gas car for $25,000 and there was nothing close to what she was getting. And when the Ukraine War started sending gas prices soaring, she was probably extremely happy she had went with the EV.
EVs are just as cheap if not already cheaper than an equivalent ICE vehicle. The upfront cost may be more, but remember that with ICE vehicles you need to spend a lot more on maintenance and more expensive fuel cost over its lifetime. Battery costs have fallen by about 90% in the last decade, and that trend will only keep going as new battery technology and manufacturing improve. It's only a matter of time before EVs become cheaper in infrastructure cost than ICE vehicles, and not just in life time cost.
@@gurumage9555 problem is the rest of the world, brazil, were i live EVs are significantly inferior than plug-in-hybrids, charging infrastructure and maintenance makes EVs something only the elite can afford, a hybrid corolla is half the price than most of the cheapest EVs corrently on sale around here, also plug-in-hybrids can be zero emission through most of the year if the battery can cover atleast 25 miles a day.
RAV4 Plug-In cost as much as the Toyota BZ4X battery electric car of a similar size, but while Toyota can produce plenty of hybrids it has limited battery production capacity for battery-powered electric vehicles. Not to mention that when Toyota finally managed to switch most of its cars to hybrids, and this tech finally starts paying off in high sales, Toyota sure will not hurry to pour a massive amount of money into successor technology which plenty of customers either cannot afford (even if it may be cheaper in the long run anyway) nor large portion of the customer base has house with a garage or sufficient infrastructure around to make BEV sensible choice for mass producer of car. The last thing Toyota wants is to produce far more of a currently higher class only BEV than is the market with the current state of infrastructure demanding, and with the limited battery production, low-cost BEVs just did not make economic sense to produce...
The success so far for EVs has relied heavily on government subsidies. That means an involuntary wealth transfer from ICE drivers to EV drivers through taxes.
They only use gasoline when you drive a while between charges. I usually drive short distances so most of the time I would be driving electric with a hybrid plugin. Only a few times a year would I use gasoline. Gasoline has a shelf life of about three to six months so if it has been a few months since you filled it up you may want to deliberately not charge it. That way you burn the gas before it gets too old and bad for your car. Alternatively, you could only put gas in the tank when you are almost out of battery power or are going on a long trip.
I have a VOLT (gen1) so, about 45 miles before the engine comes on. You get to drive an EV 80% of the time and put gas when on long trips. No need for expensive L3 chargers or modify any electric setups.
@@pbreedu the last strategy would work well most of the time, except when natural disaster strikes and the power goes out for days. But it’s not like you’d be taking a lot of trips then either. On the other hand, I’ve only refilled my tank once since the pandemic started. No issues…so far.
Wow, the sudden bleeding heart for developing countries. Good news for them, EVs are far less reliance in infrastructure, get some solar panels and you would be able to "fuel" your car. You wouldn't need foreign oil companies, foreign refineries, foreign transportation, gasoline distribution networks or gas stations. All you would need is the sun. Hooray!!!
I hear you prut kul. One day our nation's will lend a hand to eachother it takes a process of course. Hang in their as we are all are. And I'm hoping the industry's that are well implemented in these new EV can help each countries especially the hardship ones.. :*(
@@wgemini4422 You know how expensive solar panels are? Your privilege is definitely showing. A lot of countries simply can't afford solar panels, much less on a decent power grid. California and many major European countries are able to afford them simply because we have the world's largest economies ever. Why haven't you stopped using cellphones and computers since coal plants are powering the majority of the country's power grid to charge that little device for you? Hot water generating from boilers still use gas to heat it up. Oh fun fact: Tesla cars still need oil for a good majority of their components. How do I know? I know people who work at the original factory.
@@MisterSherlock Solar panels? Dirty cheap and dropping fast, comparing to the cost of a new car anyway. Shipping, taxes and installations? Very expensive in rich countries. I have no problem with oil, just with gasoline since it's not a very good fuel for portable power. Of course Tesla needs oil, oil is used in a lot of things.
Toyota might not be good for selling electric cars but they’re definitely the best for hybrid car. In my country ( Morocco ) most of their sales are hybrid and it’s a good intermediate when transitioning to electric cars
Why haven't they talked at all about the plug in hybrids like rav4 and prius prime? Those are very good bridge vehicles above just simple hybrids as we move to integrate more battery operated vehicles. Some people will use almost no gas with 40 miles of range if they can change at work or anywhere else.
Those vehicles are extremely hard to get. Always back ordered because they are made in Japan. And if you are able to get your hands on one be prepared to pay anywhere from $5k-$10k mark up from dealer. And NO federal tax credit $7,500. A 2023 RAV4 Prime XSE trim could cost almost $55k after mark up. That's entering Tesla Model Y territory. I love Toyota vehicles but the dealership experience and low supply of Prime vehicles really is bringing them down.
As I understand it, don't most PHEV owners rarely plug in? What would be needed to have most PHEV owners plug in more, is it realistic to expect they'd plug in more?
That's 14,000 miles annually all-electric by simply plugging in overnight to 110v outlet. -Where we live that's 1/5 the cost of gas ⛽️ -Never hostage to public charging that's often ICED, occupied or broken. - Refuel on long trips in 60 seconds, not 30 to 360 minutes
The “experts” here from Sierra Club and Gartner must be so humiliated seeing that just one year after this video, Toyota is right in telling them “Told ya so.”
My main 3 problems with evs: 1) Not everyone has a place to charge these vehicles. Will those who live in apartment buildings have to line up for hours to get a spot at a charger since it can take an hour or more to get the car fully charged 2) I doubt that our power grind can handle everyone charging a car when everyone’s fridge gets less cold in the summer when the ac’s get plugged in. Parts of our power grid are also reliant are fossil fuels 3) they don’t shoot flames
For No. 2, an major grid renovation seems unavoidable for every country to handle future conditions, electrification deosn't stop at EV's but also includes, induction stoves heatumps (from consumer ones to several hundred 100 Mwh big industrial ones), electric arc furnaces, other industrial appliances and the changing input from variable renewable electricity sources.
i live at a place where i don't have a charging station and don't have the ability to add one.. this is the reason why i don't get an electric vehicle at this time. i think the Prius is a great car.. i have driven them thousands of miles. they are quiet and ride very smooth. and get very very good gas mileage. many car campers like to use the prius to car camp in.. because of their ability to turn on and off the engine to keep the battery charged up and keeping the air conditioning on over night.
@@kalebdaark100 If you want to be technical lol How many is considered to be a few? How many is a few? A few is generally considered to mean between two and several. Some people use a few to mean around three, but this is not a universal interpretation. Its meaning is highly relative to the context-it often depends on what's being discussed, especially the scale and expectations.Apr 12, 2022
@@jsnow6925 Personally I would probably start calling things "a few" as more than 3 and less than 10 but I agree that it's a very in exact definition. But your original post implied you had the vehicle for somewhat less than most peoples idea of a few years. To expand on your original and clarified post, your point seems to be that you have not had any significant problems with the vehicle in a little more than 2 years of ownership. What problems were you expecting the have in that time?
@@kalebdaark100 It is a free world, you can do whatever you like. Just pointing out that was the correct definition. I typically do not follow other people's made up definitions but I will try to accommodate you next time so I do not hurt your feelings. Do you have special pronouns as well? No, I was not expecting any major problems but in that time I got a pretty good idea about the build quality. I also researched long term reliability before I bought it and Toyota ranked near or at the top in most categories. I drive my cars until the wheels fall off and my two previous Infinity's both had major issues at around 150k. If you have any other special requests or concerns, feel free to list them
Sounds to me like Toyota is just playing it smarter. Also, as more stories come out about how horrific lithium and cobalt mining is as industries, I have a feeling that some of the appetite for large amount of batteries is going to wain.
No, to Toyota "playing it smarter"... they're (arguably) just dragging their feet as lonnnnnnng as they possibly can before reluctantly abandoning their pollution-based cash-cows. But yes, Lithium and Cobalt mining both absolutely have human rights issues. Buuut... if you're sincere about giving even half a sh*t about that, do some minimal Googling on (e.g.) Shell oil and its African atrocities. Battery tech is rapidly changing, though, with Tesla (for example) looking to lower or remove the need for both Lituium and Cobalt in their battery formulations. Unlike the fossil-fuel-pollution industry and its ills. So, no, it isn't the case that "some of the appetite for large amount of batteries is going to wain", it's that the appetite for human-acceptable battery improvements will continue to rise.
@Football_Highlights: His comment was about recycling, not extraction. Nice job on trying to misdirect there. But since you brought it up, let’s point out that gasoline refinement uses cobalt to remove the sulfur from the crude oil. And while EV batteries are able to pivot away from using cobalt, refining gasoline is not. Moreover, refining gasoline also requires Platinum as an “octane booster”. And last time I checked, platinum is also a fairly rare metal here on earth.
Toyota is smart. They know the majority of their buyers are folks that cant afford 2 cars 1 electric short range and an ICE car for when you need to drive 300 mi. Sure they are slow to make updates but knowing the average american car buyer. They will buy toyotas cars not because they’re innovative but because it has the name toyota slapped in it.
Toyota makes sure that they make it right and perfect, as well as, reliable. So that's why their change to EVs isn't as fast as people's demand for them. People want it done now and Toyota wants to ensure that it is done right.
Toyota makes terrific Hybrids. They should continue to dominate this space. I own all Toyotas and they are very reliable vehicles from Tundra, Camry and RAV4
I don't care if it's gas, EV, hybrid, hydrogen or something else. But it must be able to do everything the vehicle it is replacing can do including range, fill up time, payload, towing etc. for a similar cost. We don't rely on 1 tech now or put all our eggs in 1 basket and we aren't going to in the future either. Different use cases will be powered differently.
This statement is false: "But it must be able to do everything the vehicle it is replacing can do including range, fill up time, payload, towing etc." It simply must do enough of these things better so that people want to buy it. This has already happened, hence the millions of EVs sold by Tesla each year. And hence Tesla's 40% annual growth while all their competition keeps getting smaller.
@@MrXtraconservative it's not false as I am taking about my needs and wants which won't apply to everyone but to some others. It hasn't happened yet I have a car that gets 350 miles to a tank minimum all city driving, and over 500 on the highway. And when I'm ready to fill up it does so in under 5 minutes no EV can do that yet that I know of. Even EV trucks haven't caught up to their gas/hybrid counterparts. I'm not saying they will never get there but they ain't there yet.
From a UK point of view we are starting to see people finding out that EV's aren't working for them and are trading in their EV's once their three year finance deals are up to either hybrid or conventional internal combustion engine cars. They have found that the battery range the manufacturers state for these EV's in the brochure aren't true, they have had many faults with the cars breaking down due to computer issues (some due over the cloud to updates) and the charging infrastructure, even though it has been increased, is still hopeless when the chargers don't work and the electricity prices in the UK have increased like they have across the globe and charging a EV is more expensive than a combustion engine car (solar/wind charging is only a possibility in the UK if you have deep pockets to pay for installation and the solar/wind power systems). Toyota are wise to stay as they are. The hybrid side does work and with the development of clean synthetic fuels it could mean that hybrid could still be a viable option for people who want to drive long distances.
Toyota is just saying the market is telling them people still prefer non BEV. If the market says 100% BEV, they’ll go there. It’s just so much hype on BEV.
@Jim my there is that much hype on the BEV market that Citroën have decided to start re-selling their petrol and diesel versions of their Berlingo passengers carrying vans as the electric version they placed their bets on being popular isn't as popular as it seems. Just drove past a Porsche dealer near where I live here in the UK and an awful lot of Taycans are on the used car lot area.
Petrol cars are expensive and I don't like being at mercy of constantly changing gas /petrol prices when I can charge my electric car at home for free with solar panels.
Toyota isn't just focused on a few key markets, Toyota knows that its a global player, a truly global one with a reputation you simply cannot buy for money or flashiness/hype.
Electric cars are mainly past range anxiety. You can get a model 3 with 300 miles of range which is more than enough range. Most EVs can also now go 250 mi
@@thedumbconspirator4956 250 to 300 miles (under ideal circumstances: not too hot, not too cold, new battery) is NOT more than enough for many people. Maybe it is for you; but that doesn't mean you are most people. I occasionally take long trips (~1000 miles) that I want to complete in ONE day. Stopping four times en route for an hour or more (ASSUMING there is a working charger with no line of cars waiting) on the route that I want to travel (without detours) is not acceptable.
@@thedumbconspirator4956 we have an EV at work and nobody wants to use it because it drives short distance and it takes long time to charge. Basically it’s a less ideal way to drive.
@@thedumbconspirator4956 sure but there are still areas, perhaps more rural and cold that range anxiety is legitimate. If you are a farmer who uses a big truck someplace like rural Nebraska, a model 3 or Y won’t cut it especially in the winter. No that’s not most drivers, but the fact that the case still exists is enough to scare off some drivers who probably would be fine on an EV.
Toyota knows its market and they are not stupid to pour billion of dollars into something which is basically a huge startup and will take decades to be a norm and profitable. Plus Toyota has a reputation of very resistant vehicles. Majority of the world uses them like we used to use Donkeys and Horses. They're so reliable that it's not easy to just discard them.
They're very successful in the car industry, while many others have come and gone. EV's have generated a lot of hype but are still impractical for the majority of people in developed countries, and impossible for those in less developed ones.
Toyota knows a lot more about making cars and the market more than people who like to theorize and criticize on the internet. EV's cannot compete pound for pound when it comes to utility. They are a luxury item. We seem to ignore the costs on the environment and humanity when it comes to sourcing the materials to produce the components, the energy to power the vehicle, and disposing and recycling of these components after the car's battery dies in 8-10 years and costs more than the car to replace.
Toyota: We're conservative on electric cuz the charging infrastructure isn't there also Toyota: We're investing in hydrogen which has practically no refueling infrastructure and no one else is building one
The problem is that battery material is heavily mined from China. Toyota is absolutely do not want to depend their supply from China. I think China supply like 60-80% material component for EV batteries.
IMO a hybrid corrolla/prius/camry/rav is likely the optimal solution for the next 5-10 years. Gas cost is low, maintenance is low, and energy availability is high.
Statistics would prove you correct. The video said that hybrids has 6% of the market and is probably growing plus electric just doesn't have the infrastructure. I used to work for Toyota and then other related car companies. For the current market Toyota is excellently placed. (I'm not a fan of Toyota, it really is a terrible company to do business with and work for, but as a lawyer and businessperson I rely on facts and statistics.)
I think the plugin hybrid cars covers a slightly different market than all electric vehicles, but it's still an important one. People that's cautious of ev's weaknesses but still care about their carbon emissions will need the option
@SilverFish Lithium batteries use lithium..... It is in the name. LFP stands for lithium ferro-phosphate. What you are thinking about is cobalt, which they cut out in comparison to regular lithium batteries. And yes, cutting out cobalt is very important.
@SilverFish How do you figure? I'm sure it's cool to drive. The problem is, EVs are not necessarily going to reduce carbon emissions. Their manufacture just offloads a boatload of emissions to the countries that produce the elements for the batteries and so each EV, when new, comes with a huge carbon footprint. And, if the electricity used by the EV is generated by coal or gas, they are net emitters. Here's a video that gives an accurate analysis: ua-cam.com/video/4sa5JkeerRo/v-deo.html
@SilverFish If your power plant is coal or natural gas, your electric car is not carbon neutral. Unlike countries that have hydroelectric power stations. There you can say that you drive without emitting carbon monoxide
@@tonespeaks Maybe you shouldn't look at "so far" and be locked into this annoying "disruptive theory, Toyota is Nokia narrative" That shows short-sightedness and a lack of weighing other scenarios to be locked into this one scenario. Toyota has been a leading company for decades. They know when to pivot and don't think for a second they don't have a plan to do so.
Toyota is not behind, just the contrary, they have been perfecting electric drivetrains for a quarter of a century but they are smart enough to know not to bet on a dead horse(EV's). Hydrogen drivetrains are also an expensive dead horse. Hybrids are the best way to go. Hydrogen vehicles are no more "zero emission" than the power plants that supply the energy to produce the hydrogen.
Toyota now produces 2 million less vehicles today than they did a few years ago. That gorilla will continue to lose market share as EVs are already coming down in price to close to ICE cars. I wouldn't want to be sitting on 200 billion in debt while making horse and buggies as Ford introduces the model T.
Toyota is smart. I read somewhere it takes a supply chain of 65 countries to make an EV. The metals in the batteries alone often come from war torn unstable countries. At the end of the day diversity of energy is the smartest solution. Coal burning is still the main source of electricity in a lot of countries. Its not as simple as everyone drive a Tesla, Toyota builds fuel efficient reliable and safe vehicles. I own a ford but my next car will probably be a Toyota
@@davestagner They're actually worse materials. LFP has pretty much no conflicting materials, unlike regular NCA/NMC or NiMH batteries found in hybrids.
@@hojnikb Some Prius models have NiMH, but it looks like most have lithium ion these days, particularly all the PHEV models. So the whole “Toyota doesn’t use evil cobalt” argument falls flat. Of course, there are also other problems with the OP here. For example, the whole “coal burning cars” thing. People have run the numbers, and found that EVs still contribute less CO2 than gasoline cars, even if the electricity is coming from 100% coal. This is due to the greater efficiency of coal-burning power plants relative to gasoline engines running in dynamic driving conditions, and the extremely good efficiency of charging batteries from the grid and running electric motors from batteries. (And of course, I think all of this is Toyota sour grapes propaganda, because they have failed to make a decent EV, so they’re pretending it doesn’t matter - they make an EV, but no one buys it because it’s awful.)
I have the same concerns with EVs as Toyota has. I live in a place where it gets really really cold. Losing ranging for 5-6 mths of the year won’t cut it for me. Also EVs would not satisfy trips done during the the holidays. Too much time would be lost charging.
Well, let me ease your concerns. I live in Norway, it gets kinda cold here and we have huge distances to cover with cars. I swapped my 2010 ford focus 1.6 diesel for a Hyundai Kona electric 64kWh in may 2020, and have driven 87k kilometers since then, including to the northernmost part of Norway and to Italy with the same car, driving purely electric. I have had no problems with the Kona, while the Ford had several reliability issues. Access to charging infrastruture and the time required for charging on longer drives is not an issue, at least for most of Europe. France and Italy are lagging behind, as is eastern europe, but other than those, driving an EV is not a problem. Yes, I lose some range during the toughest winter days (by about 25%), but again, not really an issue. I still have enough battery that I only need to stop once every 4 hours, tops. And then, by the time I’ve had a meal and a restroom break, the car’s plenty charged and I’m ready to go again. The time of EVs has definitely come, and Toyota isn’t interested in keeping up.
@@propellhatt thanks for that feedback. Appreciated but how charge get while eating a meal. I will have an occasional 1500km trip with my family and a possible 4000km trip every now and then. I guess I would have work out the stops to get enough charge right?
@@sizzlacalunji yeah, for those longer trips, especially to or through places where you're not all that familiar some planning makes a lot of sense and will make the trip a lot more enjoyable. But that goes for all longer roadtrips as well I reckon. A lot of high power chargers, at least in Europe are placed close to restaurants or similar setups where food is available, but not all of them. Using a tool such as a better route planner aids a lot
@@sizzlacalunji , If you live in the US or Canada, only Tesla is recommended for long distance driving because the CCS network isn't very reliable and there aren't enough stations along the highways. In Europe, CCS charging is much better.
Insane! Just because you label something as enviro mentally friendly does not make it so, or even that it can work. Then you want to blacklist anyone who opposes you in anyway. Just simply insane!
Good for Toyota to offer a wide option range for its products. But one thing that this piece didn't mention is that much of the electricity required to power EV comes from coal-burning power plants.
And also mining lithium is as bad on the environment. Imagine the amount of lithium that has to be mined to electrify all the vehicles in the world. It is insane. They have to come up with some other options. They should pump more resources in perfecting the hydrogen technology, that's the only sustainable technology I see at this point. All these battery Tesla nonsense is really not sustainable in the long run.
@@tjones2260 Unfortunately a lot of technological improvements are a long, hard grind with no guarantees. Politicians like to make it appear like they're doing something, especially when they don't have to do much to achieve that. Enacting legislation in the hope that technology will somehow find a way is hardly scientific. As far as Lithium goes, much is made of its mining being bad for the environment, however mining for anything has a negative impact environmentally. Air and water pollution, loss of biodiversity through massive habitat loss, toxic chemicals and acidic water release are common with many mining processes. Tetraethyllead was used as an octane booster and valve lubricant in fuel since the 1920s and the residue now sits in the soil to the point where raised garden beds and clean soil are recommended for vegetable gardening. Massive open cut mines continue to expand without any clear strategy as to what will become of them once they're no longer economic. Coal mines especially can't be just left, as a fire, once established, is impossible to extinguish, as has happened in the past.
I agree 100%..the current EV battery is NOT the battery we will be using 10 years from now. Today it takes 500,000 tons of earth to be dug up to get the elements for the average 1000 lb EV Battery. Toyota is hedging its bets. Solid state batteries are also looking good. We are decades and trillions of dollars away from going 100% electric.
In a world where pretty much everyone’s going electric, Akido Toyoda remained a genuine car guy through and through and, dare I say it, looks out for all of us fellow car guys/girls who still have the burning passion for the internal combustion engine at a time there’re slowly being phased out. Until then thank you Mr Akido Toyoda
I think they have plug in hybrids that give u a battery with 100 miles . I think, for now, that’s a perfect vehicle. I rarely drive more than 100 miles in a day. And having a gas motor for those long distance is perfect, especially since we still don’t have that perfect charging infrastructure
Most hybrids do 60 miles on a full charge but of course you are dragging around a ICE engine and the rest of the weight so it is an expensive option if you want to save money.
toyoda’s right, ev are cool and nice and it does help earth. but the miles/battery ratio isn’t their yet. there wont be a huge specific market for EV’s when most people wants miles and convenience
As a decades-long Honda lover (for reasons of reliability and general engineering talent), I waited for the longest time for Honda to bring out an EV. And waited. And waited. And waited. For... twenty years, maybe? I finally gave up and bought a car from a company devoted to just EVs: Tesla. Honda lost their opportunity, and (in me) lost a decades-long loyal customer. We'll see how Toyota fares.
@@mojozepeda lol... I have no illusions regarding any significance to Honda about my reluctant departure from the ranks of long-standing, delighted owners. I just think it's really unfortunate that they ceded so much ground to others by dragging their feet on bringing out an actual EV. From a sentimental standpoint, though, I do hope they pull their collective heads out soon enough to be a player in the EV market. They have the talent... but the will...?
(chuckling) I'm on the other side of the fence regarding hybrids, but when I decided to abandon pollution-based vehicles in 2019, I was similarly sad. After decades of being a huge fan of Honda tech and quality, and buying used Honda after used Honda after used Honda (cuz they last forever) Honda had no EV to offer me. Honda *so* let us down in that way. Borrowed enough to make my son's eyes roll, and bought a Tesla. I'll probably never look back or buy anything else... or at least never buy from a company trying to perpetuate pollution-based vehicles while feigning an interest in EVs.
Yeah, Toyota does offer tons of hybrids. Like the documentary mentions at 5:10 they've got them in tonnes of different sizes. I guess that helps them keep up on electric tech without changing everything out for dedicated electric!
@@patricksweeney6334 You mean companies that realise there are many people in the world who can't take out an eye-rolling loan for a car. Go on feeling smug and superior about your "investment" but just buying a new car of any kind is way out of the price range of many. Just one of the many massive container ships that traverse the globe generates the pollution of 50 million cars in a year, so your "sacrifice" is cancelled out in seconds. EVs are responsible for a lot of hype, but the largest pollution sources still fly under the media radar.
Difficult for Toyota to abandon their hybrid system which it controls perfectly, for a 100% electric system which will bring them back to square one in terms of efficiency and durability, while their hybrid system is recognized for their efficiency and practically lifetime no-hassle warranty.
The thing is, is EVs really better for the environment, especially in developing countries where electricity is still mostly generated from fossil fuel, old batteries are thrown into landfills, charging stations are few and far in between, and not to mention the scorching heat and potholes the size of a broth pot that have been known to cause EVs to catch on fire? Besides, a good petrol car can serve well even after 30 years, where an EV will need to have its battery pack switched every 5 years or so in order to keep its range. Toyota, stubborn and conservative as they are just like the rest of the Japanese automotive industry, are not stupid. They know that the world more than just North America and Europe, unlike a News channel I won't even need to mention its name here.
I like how they failed to mention Toyota and pretty much all the Japanese OEM had the most issues with supplies and lowest days inventory compared to all other automakers in 2022.
Given the current battery supply chain shortages, it is important to note that using ~100kwh of battery material to get 4 people driving Toyota PHEVs is better for the environment than 1 person driving a 100kwh BEV and the other 3 driving an ICE vehicle.
Picked up a new corolla last week, hybrid system is very good. Stats show over the first 50 miles driving a combination of urban and UK country lanes EV mode is at 54%. With a range starting at 612 miles combined petrol & EV. That's an acceptable compromise to me. Full EV is only good for those with a home charging set up and either solar or turbine charging to make it financially viable. How many working people can tick that box? PS, the background music throughout this video ruined the experience, totally unnecessary.
@@KingSobieski better acceleration, 0-60 around 3 seconds, model 3 has 130 MPGe. Electric car still works out cheaper over the long because of fuel cost. I would still get a Toyota/lexus thou because of Tesla's garbage build quality
@@QH96 once everyone gets into EVs the govt is going to need to bring out higher property taxes on EV vehicles to offset the loss from gas tax needed to maintain roads. No one is actually going to get to 'save' money.
Halfway through this video and they haven't even talked about the lithium mining yet. What kind of news coverage is this? Lithium mining is problematic. And Toyota is right. The emissions reductions of 90 hybrid vehicles is greater than the emissions reductions of 1 battery electric vehicle plus 89 conventional vehicles. The amount of lithium required for one battery electric vehicle can be used to make 90 hybrid cars.
The fact that CNBC put this video out without bothering to reference the fact that EV popularity and sales in the US have tanked in the past year and a half, and many companies that have put out EV models are struggling to sell the inventory they have (outside of Tesla) is mind boggling. The only reason that's not happening in EU countries is because of their communist laws forcing EV adoption (similar to CA in the US ofc). Toyota knows what's up.
For me, EV is still not a eco friendly product. From acquiring raw material of battery with child labour to charging with electricity made by coal. Other than that infrastructure of charging station and the time to recharge battery. Everything is negative about EV. Hybrid, Hydrogen fuel might be the future and its worth waiting.
So the one of the problems with EVs is not enough charging stations? So Toyota thinks hydrogen is the answer? Where are all these hydrogen fueling stations?
The secret is that everyone that owns a home with a garage already has a charging station. 4 years with an EV and I've never needed to use public charging station. I don't even really need the special plug either. A regular 20 amp plug overnight will cover easily my commute the next day.
if they're wrong about Hydrogen, transition to Electric is dead easy, basically every car company on earth already somewhat transition to Electric in no time at all, Toyota have the skill and money to instantly transition to electric as well, they won't going anywhere, it's a win win strategy for them Tesla and EV are not so special and high tech you know,
@jensenraylight8011 yeah sure, that's why the Toyota BZ4X had wheels falling off and they couldn't even figure out how to fix the problem. The car is an abject failure.
@@CaptRespect that only works for people living in a house, most people living in apartments and condos won't be able to do that. they will be forced to charge for about 2 to 8 hours on weekends for EV to work.
@@CaptRespect funny thing is that we're much closer to running out of cobalt than we ever will with petroleum. In fact, we are never running out of oil. and the push for Ev's will soon fall back to gasoline engines in the distant future.
The goal should reducing emissions not building EVs. EVs are only one way of doing that which also will hit limitations with their useful life. Try doing a million miles in an EV.
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Unfortunately, it seems no one wants to discuss this or the massive impact this creates. “O it’s so Green” they say because people think whatever power comes out of their plug (which might be fossil fuel at a plant) is cleaner than the fossil fuel in their existing vehicle, and they do not account for the lithium storage device within the vehicle itself.
@@danielBAC Doesn’t matter, we still don’t have enough of it to begin with even if we recycle all of it that we aren’t currently using… We need to find ALOT more in order to continue this trend and that’s not going to be easy, or good for the earth either… It’s the ultimate double edged sword.
The answer isn’t EVs, it’s trains. So people in cities who don’t want to drive or can’t drive can still get around, and the people who still want to drive can drive. This would substantially reduce traffic so drivers can enjoy hitting the road more. For cars, trucks, and SUVs, hybrids would be the best option going forward.
Toyota is working on a solid state battery (leads in patents) that should be out in the next few years. Those will be placed in hybrids first to test then I'm sure they'll systematically roll them to plug-in hybrids then EV's. If they hit their goal with the SSB (~350mi per charge) all of this criticism will fade. Until then, I'm all for their hybrids, and when I finally get solar added to the house I'll move to 1 plug-in and 1 EV.
If/when solid state batteries go into production, high volume producers of BEVs such as Tesla and BYD will have way more expertise around BMS and efficient BEV architectures. Anyone who believes that Toyota is in the know about solid state batteries more than Tesla and BYD are severely mistaken. Tesla and BYD are two of the largest consumers of batteries in the world. Their business models heavily rely on battery technologies. With their BEV production prowess, Tesla and BYD will both be able to quickly switch to solid state battery chemistries if need be, so the production of solid state batteries actually makes Toyota’s future prospects even worse when you think critically about this. Toyota barely consumes any batteries to produce their vehicles. Their knowledge on ICE vehicle technology and architectures will not suffice in the transition to BEVs. NIO, Zeekr, Aito and others are also coming for ICE vehicle market share. They are all gaining experience with BEV production and growing their market share, thereby increasing their mindshare.
SS battery is not going to be made for mass production. You should check why SES decided to stop developing it and focus on Lithium metal instead. Even Redwood materials do not consider the SS battery. Having patents is whole lot different from having mass production technology and knowhow. Think about why TSMC dominates the semiconductor foundry industry.
Where did I mention Tesla in my comment? Or that TM is "in the know more than Tesla or BYD"? You're free to have your own opinion on the subject, which you clearly do, but there is no need to assume I had no critical thought about this. I just prefer TM's approach. They are moving a bit slower than I'd like but I understand not wanting to produce a vehicle that bursts into flames. Not to mention, where I live there aren't a lot of places available to charge a BEV, and even if there were I'd rather not wait 45min. Also, servicing a TSLA problem requires a flat bed and a 3hr road trip for the car from here so again, I'll stick to my Toyota/Lexus Hybrid/plugin for the next 5-10 years.
@@lo1409 Fairly certain TM has a partnership with Panasonic to produce SS Lithium batteries. I think that'd be more than enough mass production capability between the two and more than enough know how. Perhaps they fail and can't produce a SSB for mass production as you posit, however, I'm taking their word that they're working on the technology and given their past results I think it'll be fine.
Toyota wasted a lot of time and money developing the Hydrogen car. But they didn't build any Hydrogen filling stations for their cars. What were they thinking? This showed everyone with a brain that they weren't really serious. Plus the Toyota Mirai wasn't saving any money for the consumer. You don't hear or read any cost savings for owning a Hydrogen car. So why bother. By the way, I have been a Toyota car guy for years. But I traded in my 55 mpg Toyota Prius Eco for a Tesla Model 3 in 2021. I am extremely happy with my purchase. I essentially bought a well made land rocket. I am equally glad I am no longer buying gas. No more oil changes every 3000 miles...and no more car maintenance. Still have to buy tires and the occasional brakes. The brakes last longer because of regenerative braking. Most of the time I don't even use my brakes. Take your foot off the pedal and regenerative braking slows the car a lot and charges the battery. I have recovered over 10 miles going down mountain in Santa Barbara.
Of course Toyota didn't build hydrogen filling stations. How many gas stations are build by Ford? Hydrogen has the benefit that it can be distributed in a similar like petrol or LPG. Hydrogen can reuse existing infrastructure where EV infrastructure can not. We have two issues when it comes to the electric grid: 1) The grid is already overloaded 2) We don't have enough energy to power EV's, induction cooktops, airco's and headpumps. In the US (or at least on the east coast) we have often power outages during the winter months or when a drunk driver hits a power pole. The grid here is not reliable, hence why I have a home battery. While there are some great strives in battery development (sodium-ion and iron-air for name a few), but those are both heavier than lithium-ion and weight and mobility do not go hand in hand. Not to mention that batteries are not properly recycled today because the costs to do so are still too high. However 10lbs of hydrogen gives you the same range as a petrol car and also has about the same weight. The fact is that if you look at cradle to cradle to patrol, BEV and hydrogen powered cars, they have about the same footprint in terms of pollutions (i.e. all bad). The difference is the kind of pollution. Have you seen the pollution of lithium/Kobalt mines? Those aren't any better than oil refineries, not to mention the forced child labor in many of these sites. Hydrogen is more difficult to produce in large quantities and the oil industry have all kind of issues of their own. Green cars are a myth. We still have our 2012 Model S and currently I have both a Mercedes EQS (bev) and S560E (plugin hybrid), the last one for larger distances. I can go anywhere with my hybrid car. When I takes the EQS I actually have to plan my route. 70% of the energy used by my cars comes from solar panels on my roof. But the juice of many charging stations are not, those stations buy CO2 bonds to make the coal/gas generated power 'green'. There is a reason why Toyota is currently the biggest manufacturer in the world. They want to keep the vehicles affordable and while BEV may be cheaper in the long term, you still have to fork over a substantial amount of money to even buy an EV. Money that most people not have. If BEV's are the future as most think they are, they just jump in when they become more affordable, otherwise they have experience with other techniques like hydrogen. It is not smart to put all your eggs in a single basket. It is true that Toyota is currently missing out on EV sales, but they have the luxury to choose that. Currently only 15% of new cars in CA are EV's. Other states have even worse figures. The CA grid is overloaded, hence why they are starting with net metering to 'punish' those household that return solar energy to the grid instead of storing it in a home battery (less strain on grid). Let's say that tomorrow we see pigs fly and everybody has enough money to buy an BEV. How do you recon we are gonna produce enough energy to charge all those EV's? Nuclear is bad, oil/gas aren't sustainable, so solar and wind turbines are left. Even if we cover the every house in the US with solar panels we still wouldn't produce enough energy... The same issue also holds true for hydrogen, because the most used method to produce large quantities of hydrogen is electricity. I'm originally from Europe, so even today I'm still laughing with the US gas prices. Just before Christmas I visit my family in The Netherlands and they paid around 2 euro per liter. That's about 7.60 USD per gallon (1 euro = 1 dollar exchange rate).
In Melbourne Australia where they're trialling the Mirai you can fill up hydrogen for free at Toyota's Centre of Excellence with hydrogen generated on site.
C’mon - Toyota knows how to make hybrids, they know how to make plug-in hybrids, they know how to make vehicle chassis’ and bodies. They have all the R&D resources any company could hope to have. Why is everyone so stuck on this concept that Toyota “can’t catch up” on EVs?
I don’t think Toyota is too late to the EVs, the environment friendly materials and comfortable inner designs, the enough and proper spaces among passenger sits, hope they can keep their advantages or good-at, to guide a better living with car style.
The horse and buggy manufacturers also said the same thing when Ford started producing the model T. I think Blockbuster had the same strategy before Netflix. Who would ever want to stream movies instead of driving to the store? :)
@@dogfacedponysoldier87 EV isn’t for everyone or everything. If charging becomes a lot faster and cheaper and more charging stations then maybe but gas is easy and normally cheap
The problem as you said is that for CNBC, the world means US and Europe but for Toyota, the world includes the 150 or so remaining countries.
Many people dont have Electricity supply yet in third world countries so I can they purchase a EV specially given the cost of EV
I actually think Africa could be set for a huge revolution if they can finally electrify a grid using renewable solar + storage. They could be one of the big beneficiaries of the green revolution because they are perfect for Solar!
EV have less infrastructure requirement than ICE vehicles when it comes to scaling because it relies of existing electricity grid, and if Toyota really cares about third world countries, then they shouldn’t push for hydrogen vehicles - option with largest infrastructure up front cost and least accessible to non-developed countries.
@@hakuhyo174 lmao the fact they depend on the grid means they have Way more infrastructure requirements. Since most grids are running at near capacity.
@@marcinm2871 You’re missing the point. No one is saying it’s easy, but *easier*. It’s easier to scale an existing framework, even one that’s at full capacity, than building something from scratch. There’s literally no existing hydrogen infrastructure, which Toyota is actively pushing while making hypocritical arguments about infrastructure cost.
Toyota doesn't focus too much about first mover advantage. It focuses on being the most reliable and durable car in any engine type be it hybrid or internal combustion. If Toyota decides to take on the EV market with full speed it's because they are confident that it will be the most reliable and durable in that segment too. That's Toyota's DNA and it's worked very well for them and their customers. This is from a business and customer satisfaction point of view.
@SilverFish Exactly. People keep making excuses for Toyota, but the reality is that Toyota is being disrupted and is very behind on BEVs, let alone PHEVs. BYD makes more PHEVs than Toyota, and is also rapidly growing their BEV production volume on top of that. Tesla is ramping up production too fast for Toyota. Together, Tesla and BYD will sell over 4 million BEVs alone this year, while Toyota and VW will sell around 16 million ICE vehicles by year end. The gap is closing fast. Tesla and BYD will replace Toyota and VW as the leading global automakers by production volume by 2027.
@silverfish4500 The tech used for plug in hybrids is basically the same as an pure EV, it just has an onboard generator. Their techs already know how to work on these vehicles. Remove the ICE and you only make the vehicle more simple to manufacture and work on. Toyoto is not behind anyone, they are actually far ahead since they make reliable vehicles at an affordable price. Toyota has never been about making flashy super high performance/cool cars, as most people don't care about this, or dont car enough to pay the money for them.
Yes, their bZ4X EV was so reliable its wheels were falling off.
And that's why we buy Toyota
FMA is of course a very real thing in tech. EVs, though, are way, way past any first-mover-advantage ground that Toyota might purposely have intended to cede to (primarily) Tesla, in order to pull an Apple-like move on the EV market. Toyota has all but missed the boat as anything more than an also-ran.
They had the gateway to FMV with the Prius, and they let that go to waste. They sat on their laurels too long, (seemingly) hoping to keep cash in on their PBVs (pollution-based vehicles) for much, much longer... not realizing how much Tesla would make everyone else scramble to even be able to ante at the EV table.
We are missing the bigger picture, which is clean transportation. We could only achieve this with efficient city design, prioritizing walking for small distances, bikes and public transportation for medium ones, and railways for longer ones.
It is not about switching cars from gas to electricity, it is about changing our high energy consumption society.
Spot on!
Clean transport it's just natural food / home grown diet. They like junk food either.
People on one side like green transportation, but on the other side getting excited on fuel consuming car, drive a big car more than they need, get subsidized by gov.
The trouble is that modern urban infrastructure has been centred on motor vehicles for several decades; changing that infrastructure to allow everyone that wants to get around without using a motor vehicle is an enormous task, which is why no-one is seriously talking about doing away with the private motor vehicle.
+60 years of Privatisation and red-scaring public services gets you that.
@@petesmitt an enormous task, like how your government spends $850 billion per year on the military
It turns out that Toyota know more about car manufacturing and their markets than anyone on the internet!
I agree with Toyota. I dont own a home, i rent an apartment that doesn't have electric chargers. And there is no way in hell im gonna waste hours siting at public chargers on regular. Electric cars make sense for some more than others
True. and thats going to be a large marketing ploy for the apartments to raise the price of rent while you still have to pay to use the chargers.
@@adriannalundasan7570 the horror
and it gets too damn cold in the midwest for EVs. i wouldn’t be opposed to a hybrid but i prefer ICE
Just curious: Do you not own a home because you prefer to rent, or because even just getting into a home is cost-prohibitive? Regardless, yeah, it'd be great if apartment-complex-owners would find a moral compass and a) bring solar panels into the mix for providing power at lower cost, and b) add charging outlets where the tenants park.
@@patricksweeney6334 Businesses do not have a heart. When the government offers tax incentives to add these items to new builds then they will make that move. The only thing apartments are worried about is making a profit.
Restisting? isn't it resisting?
I was wondering also. :)
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because toyota is smart. don't fix what isn't broken. what do you think will happen when everyone goes over to ev? you think the price of electricity with out power grids barely able to keep up now, is going to remain low?
@@cagneybillingsley2165 gas isn’t going to be cheaper because hardly anyone uses it, it’ll be expensive and very rarely obtainable after 2035.
@@devonbikefilms gas hard to obtain after 2035? Any sources to back this up?
"Toyota, which sells 10.5 million cars a year in 170 countries, argues that many of those markets aren’t ready for electric vehicles" If Toyota went all EV, they truly would be abandoning a lot of developing nations with no hope of building up electric infrastructure by the time the rest of the industry transitions. They are the backbone of many commercial and domestic fleets
No car maker beyond a very niche few are all EV. One one succeeds (in fact only one new "larger" entrant globally in decades) . All mass car makers know this EV access is not an option in many markets. The problem is that the cost of developing all cars is often born by making good fat profits from the top end. And at the top end, three markets exist- US-Europe-China (japan internally was one once). At the higher end where cost of EV is less of an issue to buyers, EVs are taking an ever greater share. So if Lexus was to lose most of its market share to pure EVs then Toyota would find making newer ICEs for the mass market alot harder. Choice is already dropping as the SUV market eats other model sales.
You'd think they wouldn't want to fall behind in the key markets which represent the majority of their sales. Toyota barely sells any EVs. For instance in the largest car market in US, California, Toyota may be surpassed by Tesla as the #1 seller this year! In largest car market by country, China, likely around 1/3 of vehicles sold will be electric in 2023. These are huge markets Toyota is virtually absent from with EVs.
@@wemakecookie China will remain closed as they want their national champions to be protected. Japan did (and still does) the same in its market. The backlash will be when China wants to export into the big profitable markets. At present Europe is not protecting its own, as it wants to push its local car firms to be scared into making good EV products. China will find the US less open when it already does the same to US car makers ( most have left due to frustration in selling there). Tesla is only allowed to succeed there, to offer a nicer export brand to Europe and for Chinese firms to learn from a leader. The Japanese market (outside niche premium car sales) is also a weird one (microcars dominate) and shrinking every year in volume as the population size ages. Yet Toyotas (and Japan car inc) relies on US sales to stay afloat and generate the cash to remain a key player globally. As long as 2 of the biggest US states are not going to copy CAs efforts to curb car emissions, CA (and other similar states) will remain a pesky problem but not a big one, for now. China wants to export its EV strength. Europe is the logical 1st market.
@@stephendoherty8291 I disagree, I think what is happening in California is a prelude of what's to come to the rest of US soon. If you look at Cali EV marketshare 2-3 years ago, it's about the same as the current US EV marketshare. Toyota sells many vehicles in the EU and China as well and those markets are converting to EVs at an even faster rate. Toyota doesn't have the EV production to keep up, nor plans to grow its EV production quickly enough. And the growth in developing countries vehicle sales isn't enough to compensate. Also developing countries may skip the ICE vehicles and go right to EVs, the same as they did with landline phones, instead going straight to mobile.
@@wemakecookie Its unlikely that the charging infrastructure in developing countries (think Africa/South America/Low Income asian and middle eastern counties) will be there to allow a jump to EVs. Many African countries and some in Asia have trouble with getting electricity not to mention reliable power for an EV car move. China was already moving that way and yet western brands were even slow then to offer EV models (most were trying to meet demand in their "home" markets if they sold any).
There's no such thing as being late to the EV space. People will always buy new cars. As long as the car Toyota eventually makes has the features a customer wants, they'll buy it
I agree. It's kind of a stupid question asked by too many outlets.
Obviously, you have never heard of the first mover's advantage.
Agreed. People are keeping their ICE cars up to 20+ years because it costs less to maintain an older car and buy used cars, than to buy new EV's. Until EV's become affordable, financially conscious people won't be buying them.
No, you can fall behind in the technology and thus build inadequate products. Tesla is solving EV problems and issues that Toyota doesn't even know exist.
@@PlymouthNeonEVs are affordable.
They live in the real world instead of the fantasy that so many are selling, this alone makes me like them even better
YES, this is why Toyota is #1. They arent following the EV crowd. Their analyst see the same concerns the general public has and that were not ready for all EVs.
They are japanese. It is in their culture to reluctantly accept anything new.
Exactly, people genuinely believe the "world" as they called is just US and Europe, Toyota knows their market. Even for me I moved to the Netherlands and have to buy a car, I thought going electric but I found short range cars with too high prices (above 30K) so I ended up with my classic small Toyota, great economy and great price (11K). I know if Toyota goes electric it's going to be an easy to charge, affordable, reliable, safe and comfortable car.
@@Max_Jacoby In their culture? What part of their culture is that?
EV Mfg Sourcing, MFG, Pollutes, Uses Child Slave Labor, Mines owned by China, and Pollutes the Rainforest, Uses Reliable Energy
I m a big fan of plug-in hybrids. I go to gas station once every 3 months and don’t have the range anxiety
Also you can change the small phev battery in 1 hr for $2k. A fully EVs requires weeks to preorder and cost as much as the vehicle itself or 25k or more.
@@zlonewolf Wrong
They can produce 10 plugin hybrids out of one EV battery.
Here a Fact it's only a matter of time before all Ev,start to become cheaper to buy than a gas Car
The problem with plug ins is the fact that many are never plugged in. This is a common story in Europe anyway.
I've driven a 2005 Toyota Boon for a decade or so, and at 35mpg+ all this time, with little emissions and no oil burning, I'm delighted with the company. Where I live, EVs are not practical, as there are zero charging stations, and there won't be any for the foreseeable future. I suspect most of the world (at least in the global south) is in the same gas-driven boat.
(Also, um... not young...) "Where I live, EVs are not practical, as there are zero charging stations" Ok... Do you live somewhere that makes charging at home impractical/impossible? The only time I ever charge at a charging station is on a road-trip.
@@patricksweeney6334 yes, we just got 24x7 electricity here (Nepa) in the home a few years ago, before that the house ran on truck batteries. Even now, power cuts are like weather events... ya never know (we keep those truck batteries just in case). Most places I've been in the world of late look just like that, or worse. Sure, farmers here would love a tesla truck, but barely have enough power for the lights, or they would have to charge it using a diesel generator. And there's the rub.
EV commercial life is also short like any rechargeable device .
@@patricksweeney6334 just because you have a consistent place to park where you can plug in doesn't mean everyone else does. I lived in New York City for years and every night just finding someplace to park that wasn't blocks away was a chore. You have to open your mind to the reality of other people's lives
@@magsteel9891 "I lived in New York City for years and..." Anyplace as densely populated as, say, NYC is a strong candidate for almost no one owning a car anyway, right? The challenge with that being that (usually-underfunded) public transportation has to be able to serve people-moving needs.
One mind-opening that we as a society need to have is that, especially in-town, moving vast numbers of individuals around in massive steel cages (whether pollution-based or EVs) just doesn't work anymore. Considering how effectively the oil industry and legacy automakers have crippled public transportation, though, I'm real curious how we get out of this quagmire...
2024 and all the “experts” disappeared. Lmao.
Toyota wasn’t wrong with their decision to ease into EV rather than just jumping in
Most EVs are still expensive and unaffordable for most. Cheaper model only mostly mean less range and more compromise, which put it very unfavorable compared to ICE cars.
I saw a story on NBC News and affordability of an EV is complex and depends on where you live and where the car is made. EVs made in the US are eligible for a discount from the Federal government. You may also get a discount depending on which state you live in. They looked at one women who went with the EV and paid only $25,000 but normally sold for $35,000. Looking at a comparable gas car for $25,000 and there was nothing close to what she was getting. And when the Ukraine War started sending gas prices soaring, she was probably extremely happy she had went with the EV.
EVs are just as cheap if not already cheaper than an equivalent ICE vehicle.
The upfront cost may be more, but remember that with ICE vehicles you need to spend a lot more on maintenance and more expensive fuel cost over its lifetime.
Battery costs have fallen by about 90% in the last decade, and that trend will only keep going as new battery technology and manufacturing improve.
It's only a matter of time before EVs become cheaper in infrastructure cost than ICE vehicles, and not just in life time cost.
@@gurumage9555 problem is the rest of the world, brazil, were i live EVs are significantly inferior than plug-in-hybrids, charging infrastructure and maintenance makes EVs something only the elite can afford, a hybrid corolla is half the price than most of the cheapest EVs corrently on sale around here, also plug-in-hybrids can be zero emission through most of the year if the battery can cover atleast 25 miles a day.
RAV4 Plug-In cost as much as the Toyota BZ4X battery electric car of a similar size, but while Toyota can produce plenty of hybrids it has limited battery production capacity for battery-powered electric vehicles. Not to mention that when Toyota finally managed to switch most of its cars to hybrids, and this tech finally starts paying off in high sales, Toyota sure will not hurry to pour a massive amount of money into successor technology which plenty of customers either cannot afford (even if it may be cheaper in the long run anyway) nor large portion of the customer base has house with a garage or sufficient infrastructure around to make BEV sensible choice for mass producer of car. The last thing Toyota wants is to produce far more of a currently higher class only BEV than is the market with the current state of infrastructure demanding, and with the limited battery production, low-cost BEVs just did not make economic sense to produce...
The success so far for EVs has relied heavily on government subsidies. That means an involuntary wealth transfer from ICE drivers to EV drivers through taxes.
I think Toyota is pretty well positioned with their plug-in hybrids.
They only use gasoline when you drive a while between charges. I usually drive short distances so most of the time I would be driving electric with a hybrid plugin. Only a few times a year would I use gasoline.
Gasoline has a shelf life of about three to six months so if it has been a few months since you filled it up you may want to deliberately not charge it. That way you burn the gas before it gets too old and bad for your car. Alternatively, you could only put gas in the tank when you are almost out of battery power or are going on a long trip.
I have a VOLT (gen1) so, about 45 miles before the engine comes on. You get to drive an EV 80% of the time and put gas when on long trips. No need for expensive L3 chargers or modify any electric setups.
@@pbreedu the last strategy would work well most of the time, except when natural disaster strikes and the power goes out for days. But it’s not like you’d be taking a lot of trips then either.
On the other hand, I’ve only refilled my tank once since the pandemic started. No issues…so far.
To go bankrupt.
@@turbostixxx haha, I don’t think so!
Some people: Everyone must use EV’s.
People in developing country: We’re still rely on hand pumps to get our water.
Wow, the sudden bleeding heart for developing countries. Good news for them, EVs are far less reliance in infrastructure, get some solar panels and you would be able to "fuel" your car. You wouldn't need foreign oil companies, foreign refineries, foreign transportation, gasoline distribution networks or gas stations. All you would need is the sun. Hooray!!!
I hear you prut kul. One day our nation's will lend a hand to eachother it takes a process of course. Hang in their as we are all are. And I'm hoping the industry's that are well implemented in these new EV can help each countries especially the hardship ones.. :*(
@@wgemini4422I your dreams maybe
@@wgemini4422 You know how expensive solar panels are? Your privilege is definitely showing. A lot of countries simply can't afford solar panels, much less on a decent power grid. California and many major European countries are able to afford them simply because we have the world's largest economies ever. Why haven't you stopped using cellphones and computers since coal plants are powering the majority of the country's power grid to charge that little device for you? Hot water generating from boilers still use gas to heat it up.
Oh fun fact: Tesla cars still need oil for a good majority of their components. How do I know? I know people who work at the original factory.
@@MisterSherlock Solar panels? Dirty cheap and dropping fast, comparing to the cost of a new car anyway. Shipping, taxes and installations? Very expensive in rich countries.
I have no problem with oil, just with gasoline since it's not a very good fuel for portable power. Of course Tesla needs oil, oil is used in a lot of things.
Toyota is very wise. They correctly read that EVs were not going to compete long term with ICE and hybrid.
😂😂😂
Toyota might not be good for selling electric cars but they’re definitely the best for hybrid car.
In my country ( Morocco ) most of their sales are hybrid and it’s a good intermediate when transitioning to electric cars
Why haven't they talked at all about the plug in hybrids like rav4 and prius prime? Those are very good bridge vehicles above just simple hybrids as we move to integrate more battery operated vehicles. Some people will use almost no gas with 40 miles of range if they can change at work or anywhere else.
Those vehicles are extremely hard to get. Always back ordered because they are made in Japan. And if you are able to get your hands on one be prepared to pay anywhere from $5k-$10k mark up from dealer. And NO federal tax credit $7,500. A 2023 RAV4 Prime XSE trim could cost almost $55k after mark up. That's entering Tesla Model Y territory. I love Toyota vehicles but the dealership experience and low supply of Prime vehicles really is bringing them down.
As I understand it, don't most PHEV owners rarely plug in? What would be needed to have most PHEV owners plug in more, is it realistic to expect they'd plug in more?
That's 14,000 miles annually all-electric by simply plugging in overnight to 110v outlet.
-Where we live that's 1/5 the cost of gas ⛽️
-Never hostage to public charging that's often ICED, occupied or broken.
- Refuel on long trips in 60 seconds, not 30 to 360 minutes
@donswier6048 Hybrids are the worst of both worlds and most plug in hybrids never get plugged in.
@clotshots9072 it's just a fact. Maybe you would plug in, but the stats show most don't. Does saying the truth make me an idiot you moron.
The “experts” here from Sierra Club and Gartner must be so humiliated seeing that just one year after this video, Toyota is right in telling them “Told ya so.”
Experts, what makes them experts
wonder what these guys are saying in 2024 when EVs are not selling at all in the US and hybrids have seen a huge growth
My main 3 problems with evs:
1) Not everyone has a place to charge these vehicles. Will those who live in apartment buildings have to line up for hours to get a spot at a charger since it can take an hour or more to get the car fully charged
2) I doubt that our power grind can handle everyone charging a car when everyone’s fridge gets less cold in the summer when the ac’s get plugged in. Parts of our power grid are also reliant are fossil fuels
3) they don’t shoot flames
Exactly!
For No. 2, an major grid renovation seems unavoidable for every country to handle future conditions, electrification deosn't stop at EV's but also includes, induction stoves heatumps (from consumer ones to several hundred 100 Mwh big industrial ones), electric arc furnaces, other industrial appliances and the changing input from variable renewable electricity sources.
@@deathgun3110 sounds astronomically expensive
i live at a place where i don't have a charging station and don't have the ability to add one.. this is the reason why i don't get an electric vehicle at this time. i think the Prius is a great car.. i have driven them thousands of miles. they are quiet and ride very smooth. and get very very good gas mileage. many car campers like to use the prius to car camp in.. because of their ability to turn on and off the engine to keep the battery charged up and keeping the air conditioning on over night.
And other point ev’s are not environment friendly as marketed
I trust Toyota and their decision making over any politician. I bought a 2021 4runner a few years ago, quality and reliability is on another level
A few years ago?
@@kalebdaark100 yes, I bought it in September of 2020
@@kalebdaark100 If you want to be technical lol
How many is considered to be a few?
How many is a few? A few is generally considered to mean between two and several. Some people use a few to mean around three, but this is not a universal interpretation. Its meaning is highly relative to the context-it often depends on what's being discussed, especially the scale and expectations.Apr 12, 2022
@@jsnow6925 Personally I would probably start calling things "a few" as more than 3 and less than 10 but I agree that it's a very in exact definition. But your original post implied you had the vehicle for somewhat less than most peoples idea of a few years.
To expand on your original and clarified post, your point seems to be that you have not had any significant problems with the vehicle in a little more than 2 years of ownership. What problems were you expecting the have in that time?
@@kalebdaark100 It is a free world, you can do whatever you like. Just pointing out that was the correct definition. I typically do not follow other people's made up definitions but I will try to accommodate you next time so I do not hurt your feelings. Do you have special pronouns as well?
No, I was not expecting any major problems but in that time I got a pretty good idea about the build quality. I also researched long term reliability before I bought it and Toyota ranked near or at the top in most categories. I drive my cars until the wheels fall off and my two previous Infinity's both had major issues at around 150k. If you have any other special requests or concerns, feel free to list them
Toyota was right everyone else is too early and suffering badly for it!
Turns out they are right.
right about what? i see china flooding into the market with lots of Evs
Toyota is wise and didn't fall for the trap
Sounds to me like Toyota is just playing it smarter. Also, as more stories come out about how horrific lithium and cobalt mining is as industries, I have a feeling that some of the appetite for large amount of batteries is going to wain.
There is not enough raw materials to produce batteries for all EV needs and also producing them harm the mother earth adversely
Battery materials are virtually 100% recyclable. Petroleum is not. Real simple. common sense.
No, to Toyota "playing it smarter"... they're (arguably) just dragging their feet as lonnnnnnng as they possibly can before reluctantly abandoning their pollution-based cash-cows. But yes, Lithium and Cobalt mining both absolutely have human rights issues. Buuut... if you're sincere about giving even half a sh*t about that, do some minimal Googling on (e.g.) Shell oil and its African atrocities.
Battery tech is rapidly changing, though, with Tesla (for example) looking to lower or remove the need for both Lituium and Cobalt in their battery formulations. Unlike the fossil-fuel-pollution industry and its ills. So, no, it isn't the case that "some of the appetite for large amount of batteries is going to wain", it's that the appetite for human-acceptable battery improvements will continue to rise.
@@205rider8 common sense? what about cobalt mining?
@Football_Highlights: His comment was about recycling, not extraction. Nice job on trying to misdirect there. But since you brought it up, let’s point out that gasoline refinement uses cobalt to remove the sulfur from the crude oil. And while EV batteries are able to pivot away from using cobalt, refining gasoline is not. Moreover, refining gasoline also requires Platinum as an “octane booster”. And last time I checked, platinum is also a fairly rare metal here on earth.
Toyota is smart. They know the majority of their buyers are folks that cant afford 2 cars 1 electric short range and an ICE car for when you need to drive 300 mi. Sure they are slow to make updates but knowing the average american car buyer. They will buy toyotas cars not because they’re innovative but because it has the name toyota slapped in it.
Toyota makes sure that they make it right and perfect, as well as, reliable. So that's why their change to EVs isn't as fast as people's demand for them. People want it done now and Toyota wants to ensure that it is done right.
But Toyota did invest big in hydrogen fuel cell cars....and they have been a MASSIVE FLOP.
@@speculawyer still a very well built car not something a lot of companies would dare to try, if any.
I drive toyota carolla 2018. really good car but hydrogen cars were a flop. No company is immune to flops. Time will tell if Tesla or Toyota wins
@@speculawyerEV was a massive flop for 100 years.
Not necessarily. Toyota does have an electric vehicle on the market and it's a piece of crap.
Toyota makes terrific Hybrids. They should continue to dominate this space. I own all Toyotas and they are very reliable vehicles from Tundra, Camry and RAV4
my man
I don't care if it's gas, EV, hybrid, hydrogen or something else. But it must be able to do everything the vehicle it is replacing can do including range, fill up time, payload, towing etc. for a similar cost. We don't rely on 1 tech now or put all our eggs in 1 basket and we aren't going to in the future either. Different use cases will be powered differently.
My gas guzzling car cannot run on feeds, guess I have to buy a horse after all.
@@zannierzan9634 that's the beauty of it everyone can buy what works for them
This statement is false: "But it must be able to do everything the vehicle it is replacing can do including range, fill up time, payload, towing etc." It simply must do enough of these things better so that people want to buy it. This has already happened, hence the millions of EVs sold by Tesla each year. And hence Tesla's 40% annual growth while all their competition keeps getting smaller.
@@MrXtraconservative it's not false as I am taking about my needs and wants which won't apply to everyone but to some others. It hasn't happened yet I have a car that gets 350 miles to a tank minimum all city driving, and over 500 on the highway. And when I'm ready to fill up it does so in under 5 minutes no EV can do that yet that I know of. Even EV trucks haven't caught up to their gas/hybrid counterparts. I'm not saying they will never get there but they ain't there yet.
Not when ice vehicles are scheduled to be banned completely in many markets.
From a UK point of view we are starting to see people finding out that EV's aren't working for them and are trading in their EV's once their three year finance deals are up to either hybrid or conventional internal combustion engine cars. They have found that the battery range the manufacturers state for these EV's in the brochure aren't true, they have had many faults with the cars breaking down due to computer issues (some due over the cloud to updates) and the charging infrastructure, even though it has been increased, is still hopeless when the chargers don't work and the electricity prices in the UK have increased like they have across the globe and charging a EV is more expensive than a combustion engine car (solar/wind charging is only a possibility in the UK if you have deep pockets to pay for installation and the solar/wind power systems).
Toyota are wise to stay as they are. The hybrid side does work and with the development of clean synthetic fuels it could mean that hybrid could still be a viable option for people who want to drive long distances.
Toyota is just saying the market is telling them people still prefer non BEV. If the market says 100% BEV, they’ll go there. It’s just so much hype on BEV.
@Jim my there is that much hype on the BEV market that Citroën have decided to start re-selling their petrol and diesel versions of their Berlingo passengers carrying vans as the electric version they placed their bets on being popular isn't as popular as it seems. Just drove past a Porsche dealer near where I live here in the UK and an awful lot of Taycans are on the used car lot area.
EV’s are expensive and charging infrastructure is just not there either.
Petrol cars are expensive and I don't like being at mercy of constantly changing gas /petrol prices when I can charge my electric car at home for free with solar panels.
@ommanipadmehung3014 have fun when you need to replace your battery then.
Toyota isn't just focused on a few key markets, Toyota knows that its a global player, a truly global one with a reputation you simply cannot buy for money or flashiness/hype.
Plug in hybrids are awesome. Use electricity 70-80% of the time but no range anxiety. Use a tank of gas every quarter to avoid fuel degradation.
Do you have a RAV4? That is a good combo to be able to drive short and long distances
Electric cars are mainly past range anxiety. You can get a model 3 with 300 miles of range which is more than enough range. Most EVs can also now go 250 mi
@@thedumbconspirator4956 250 to 300 miles (under ideal circumstances: not too hot, not too cold, new battery) is NOT more than enough for many people. Maybe it is for you; but that doesn't mean you are most people. I occasionally take long trips (~1000 miles) that I want to complete in ONE day. Stopping four times en route for an hour or more (ASSUMING there is a working charger with no line of cars waiting) on the route that I want to travel (without detours) is not acceptable.
@@thedumbconspirator4956 we have an EV at work and nobody wants to use it because it drives short distance and it takes long time to charge. Basically it’s a less ideal way to drive.
@@thedumbconspirator4956 sure but there are still areas, perhaps more rural and cold that range anxiety is legitimate. If you are a farmer who uses a big truck someplace like rural Nebraska, a model 3 or Y won’t cut it especially in the winter. No that’s not most drivers, but the fact that the case still exists is enough to scare off some drivers who probably would be fine on an EV.
A year later, it seems Toyota is right to wait and see...
Toyota knows its market and they are not stupid to pour billion of dollars into something which is basically a huge startup and will take decades to be a norm and profitable. Plus Toyota has a reputation of very resistant vehicles. Majority of the world uses them like we used to use Donkeys and Horses. They're so reliable that it's not easy to just discard them.
They're very successful in the car industry, while many others have come and gone. EV's have generated a lot of hype but are still impractical for the majority of people in developed countries, and impossible for those in less developed ones.
Oh you mean unlike the Toyota Mirai, which (at least in the United States) can only be utilized in California?
Toyota knows a lot more about making cars and the market more than people who like to theorize and criticize on the internet. EV's cannot compete pound for pound when it comes to utility. They are a luxury item. We seem to ignore the costs on the environment and humanity when it comes to sourcing the materials to produce the components, the energy to power the vehicle, and disposing and recycling of these components after the car's battery dies in 8-10 years and costs more than the car to replace.
Less than two seconds 0-60 can not compete? Dude, you need to stop drinking. ;-)
Toyota: We're conservative on electric cuz the charging infrastructure isn't there
also Toyota: We're investing in hydrogen which has practically no refueling infrastructure and no one else is building one
Well said! The infrastructure isn’t there yet!
The problem is that battery material is heavily mined from China. Toyota is absolutely do not want to depend their supply from China. I think China supply like 60-80% material component for EV batteries.
Hydrogen everywhere seems kinda dangerous. Way more explosive and volatile than gasoline I think.... Don't make sense.
Toyota = Nokia
Japan will have red hydrogen (derived from nuclear) by the time Toyota is ready. Toyota has always been Japanese market first.
IMO a hybrid corrolla/prius/camry/rav is likely the optimal solution for the next 5-10 years. Gas cost is low, maintenance is low, and energy availability is high.
or plugin
There’s a reason they haven’t move to electric , also hybrid is way better than electric
@@MrMlbfan6 way too much. EVs aren't the future for me...
Statistics would prove you correct. The video said that hybrids has 6% of the market and is probably growing plus electric just doesn't have the infrastructure. I used to work for Toyota and then other related car companies. For the current market Toyota is excellently placed. (I'm not a fan of Toyota, it really is a terrible company to do business with and work for, but as a lawyer and businessperson I rely on facts and statistics.)
@@rabbit251 I love Toyota, I hate their stand on anti-climate policy and political contribution
Toyota is smart, no one wants a electric car that is unreliable in hot or freezing weather
12 months later, toyota was right. EV's waning in popularity and Toyotas foresight was spot on.
2024 Toyota was right.
Man. Toyota is completely right.
And 1 year later Toyota is right about EV. The take rate is much lower after the hype now.
I think the plugin hybrid cars covers a slightly different market than all electric vehicles, but it's still an important one. People that's cautious of ev's weaknesses but still care about their carbon emissions will need the option
I think they need to use a better tech than toxic lithium ion. Not only it's harmful to humans and environment, it's extremely slow charging.
@SilverFish
Lithium batteries use lithium..... It is in the name. LFP stands for lithium ferro-phosphate. What you are thinking about is cobalt, which they cut out in comparison to regular lithium batteries. And yes, cutting out cobalt is very important.
But EVs don't necessarily reduce carbon emissions.
@SilverFish How do you figure? I'm sure it's cool to drive. The problem is, EVs are not necessarily going to reduce carbon emissions. Their manufacture just offloads a boatload of emissions to the countries that produce the elements for the batteries and so each EV, when new, comes with a huge carbon footprint. And, if the electricity used by the EV is generated by coal or gas, they are net emitters. Here's a video that gives an accurate analysis: ua-cam.com/video/4sa5JkeerRo/v-deo.html
@SilverFish If your power plant is coal or natural gas, your electric car is not carbon neutral.
Unlike countries that have hydroelectric power stations.
There you can say that you drive without emitting carbon monoxide
Toyota lives in a real world where 5 bilion people dont have reliable access to the electricity. What EV 😂
Toyota is just playing it safe as always. They're never really late, they just operate slowly.
And slowly towards bankruptcy
Kodak and Nokia also played it safe.
@Ubacow They are late to the party, the question is can they even be competitive. So far, the answer is easy......No.
typical Japanese bureaucracy
@@tonespeaks Maybe you shouldn't look at "so far" and be locked into this annoying "disruptive theory, Toyota is Nokia narrative" That shows short-sightedness and a lack of weighing other scenarios to be locked into this one scenario. Toyota has been a leading company for decades. They know when to pivot and don't think for a second they don't have a plan to do so.
Toyota is not behind, just the contrary, they have been perfecting electric drivetrains for a quarter of a century but they are smart enough to know not to bet on a dead horse(EV's). Hydrogen drivetrains are also an expensive dead horse. Hybrids are the best way to go. Hydrogen vehicles are no more "zero emission" than the power plants that supply the energy to produce the hydrogen.
Toyota is right
The short answer is that Toyota is the ICE worldwide guerrilla. No market guerrilla leads the charge away from them.
Toyota now produces 2 million less vehicles today than they did a few years ago. That gorilla will continue to lose market share as EVs are already coming down in price to close to ICE cars. I wouldn't want to be sitting on 200 billion in debt while making horse and buggies as Ford introduces the model T.
@@troyfall6573 ah lets ignore the pandemic and supply shortages.
@@noob.168 They have lost market share in China, Australia, Europe and the US. All carmakers went through the same pandemic.
Toyota is smart. I read somewhere it takes a supply chain of 65 countries to make an EV. The metals in the batteries alone often come from war torn unstable countries. At the end of the day diversity of energy is the smartest solution. Coal burning is still the main source of electricity in a lot of countries. Its not as simple as everyone drive a Tesla, Toyota builds fuel efficient reliable and safe vehicles. I own a ford but my next car will probably be a Toyota
You realize that a Prius or any other hybrid has the same battery materials in it, right?
@@davestagner They're actually worse materials. LFP has pretty much no conflicting materials, unlike regular NCA/NMC or NiMH batteries found in hybrids.
@@hojnikb Some Prius models have NiMH, but it looks like most have lithium ion these days, particularly all the PHEV models. So the whole “Toyota doesn’t use evil cobalt” argument falls flat. Of course, there are also other problems with the OP here. For example, the whole “coal burning cars” thing. People have run the numbers, and found that EVs still contribute less CO2 than gasoline cars, even if the electricity is coming from 100% coal. This is due to the greater efficiency of coal-burning power plants relative to gasoline engines running in dynamic driving conditions, and the extremely good efficiency of charging batteries from the grid and running electric motors from batteries. (And of course, I think all of this is Toyota sour grapes propaganda, because they have failed to make a decent EV, so they’re pretending it doesn’t matter - they make an EV, but no one buys it because it’s awful.)
@@davestagnerNearly all Toyota hybrids use nickel cadmium batteries not lithium. The supply chain is definitely different.
@@hojnikbwhat are you talking about? Cobalt is sourced in sub-Saharan Africa and is mined by children and indentured adults.
Turns out they where right...
I have the same concerns with EVs as Toyota has. I live in a place where it gets really really cold. Losing ranging for 5-6 mths of the year won’t cut it for me.
Also EVs would not satisfy trips done during the the holidays. Too much time would be lost charging.
Well, let me ease your concerns. I live in Norway, it gets kinda cold here and we have huge distances to cover with cars. I swapped my 2010 ford focus 1.6 diesel for a Hyundai Kona electric 64kWh in may 2020, and have driven 87k kilometers since then, including to the northernmost part of Norway and to Italy with the same car, driving purely electric. I have had no problems with the Kona, while the Ford had several reliability issues. Access to charging infrastruture and the time required for charging on longer drives is not an issue, at least for most of Europe. France and Italy are lagging behind, as is eastern europe, but other than those, driving an EV is not a problem. Yes, I lose some range during the toughest winter days (by about 25%), but again, not really an issue. I still have enough battery that I only need to stop once every 4 hours, tops. And then, by the time I’ve had a meal and a restroom break, the car’s plenty charged and I’m ready to go again. The time of EVs has definitely come, and Toyota isn’t interested in keeping up.
@@propellhatt thanks for that feedback. Appreciated but how charge get while eating a meal. I will have an occasional 1500km trip with my family and a possible 4000km trip every now and then. I guess I would have work out the stops to get enough charge right?
@@sizzlacalunji yeah, for those longer trips, especially to or through places where you're not all that familiar some planning makes a lot of sense and will make the trip a lot more enjoyable. But that goes for all longer roadtrips as well I reckon. A lot of high power chargers, at least in Europe are placed close to restaurants or similar setups where food is available, but not all of them. Using a tool such as a better route planner aids a lot
@@sizzlacalunji , If you live in the US or Canada, only Tesla is recommended for long distance driving because the CCS network isn't very reliable and there aren't enough stations along the highways. In Europe, CCS charging is much better.
@@sizzlacalunjijust have a full meal every 2-3 hours of driving..😂
So 2050 is considered moving aggressively?
India said 2075, LOL
well, my wife said she'll be ready in 5 mins.....it's all relative lollll
Most of Gen X will be dead by 2050. 💀
@@fitybux4664 more like 2060, but i get your point
@@fitybux4664 Gen X will be deaf by 2050 because they're walking with headphones all day
So Toyota was right lmao.
Yes, they WERE right... 20 years ago. ;-)
I have to agree with Toyota’s strategy. It’s 2024 and we have long ways to go in the matter of improving EV’s infrastructure
Insane! Just because you label something as enviro mentally friendly does not make it so, or even that it can work. Then you want to blacklist anyone who opposes you in anyway. Just simply insane!
I agree 100%
Good for Toyota to offer a wide option range for its products. But one thing that this piece didn't mention is that much of the electricity required to power EV comes from coal-burning power plants.
And also mining lithium is as bad on the environment. Imagine the amount of lithium that has to be mined to electrify all the vehicles in the world. It is insane. They have to come up with some other options. They should pump more resources in perfecting the hydrogen technology, that's the only sustainable technology I see at this point. All these battery Tesla nonsense is really not sustainable in the long run.
They ignore the very thing that power battery.
Inconvenient truth!
@@tjones2260 Unfortunately a lot of technological improvements are a long, hard grind with no guarantees. Politicians like to make it appear like they're doing something, especially when they don't have to do much to achieve that. Enacting legislation in the hope that technology will somehow find a way is hardly scientific.
As far as Lithium goes, much is made of its mining being bad for the environment, however mining for anything has a negative impact environmentally. Air and water pollution, loss of biodiversity through massive habitat loss, toxic chemicals and acidic water release are common with many mining processes.
Tetraethyllead was used as an octane booster and valve lubricant in fuel since the 1920s and the residue now sits in the soil to the point where raised garden beds and clean soil are recommended for vegetable gardening. Massive open cut mines continue to expand without any clear strategy as to what will become of them once they're no longer economic. Coal mines especially can't be just left, as a fire, once established, is impossible to extinguish, as has happened in the past.
Yes, 90% of Australia electricity comes from Fossil fuel.
Well done Toyota, you are absolutely correct in your assessment
I agree 100%..the current EV battery is NOT the battery we will be using 10 years from now. Today it takes 500,000 tons of earth to be dug up to get the elements for the average 1000 lb EV Battery. Toyota is hedging its bets. Solid state batteries are also looking good. We are decades and trillions of dollars away from going 100% electric.
Depends on your use case and where you are really
Toyota is hedging its bets? By not investing in EVs AT ALL????? What?!
In a world where pretty much everyone’s going electric, Akido Toyoda remained a genuine car guy through and through and, dare I say it, looks out for all of us fellow car guys/girls who still have the burning passion for the internal combustion engine at a time there’re slowly being phased out. Until then thank you Mr Akido Toyoda
Well. He's gone.
Genuine dinosaur more like. Everyone's next vehicle has to be 100% EV if we have ANY chance to slow climate change.
@@YTYTYTY7 didn’t he just step down to chairman?
I think they have plug in hybrids that give u a battery with 100 miles . I think, for now, that’s a perfect vehicle. I rarely drive more than 100 miles in a day. And having a gas motor for those long distance is perfect, especially since we still don’t have that perfect charging infrastructure
Most hybrids do 60 miles on a full charge but of course you are dragging around a ICE engine and the rest of the weight so it is an expensive option if you want to save money.
Hybrids don’t even do a mile in full electric only, the engine doesn’t doesn’t weigh as much as you think, batteries also weigh a whole lot.
Prius Prime has a pure EV range of 25 miles. RAV4 prime is 40. Personally, I'd rather use it in hybrid mode. You can get more than 100 mpg-e.
@@marcosgazamanes6165 a plug in can go 60 miles or so, regular hybrid doesn't.
@@jasonlaboy thanks, said hybrid’s that’s what I was addressing.
toyoda’s right, ev are cool and nice and it does help earth. but the miles/battery ratio isn’t their yet. there wont be a huge specific market for EV’s when most people wants miles and convenience
Uh...is anyone going to tell them?
I don't think polluting with huge mining for materials to use battery is that healthy, sticking to hybrid is better.
Nobody wants to buy a car that you will have to essentially throw away when the battery is going to need replaced. They are being smart.
Has no one noticed they spelled it "RESTISTING" instead of resisting on the thumbnail??
I kept seeing it and wondering if it’s a legitimate word lol so I clicked on this video to see the comments. 😅
Many people just eye ball the title, they don't bother with spellings.
Well, but those who do read the title, Cnbc will fix this after a while.
incredible that it wasn't checked/fixed before posting..
Judging by how reliable all their vehicles are, I would immediately buy a Toyota EV the moment they release one with a higher range.
As a decades-long Honda lover (for reasons of reliability and general engineering talent), I waited for the longest time for Honda to bring out an EV. And waited. And waited. And waited. For... twenty years, maybe? I finally gave up and bought a car from a company devoted to just EVs: Tesla. Honda lost their opportunity, and (in me) lost a decades-long loyal customer. We'll see how Toyota fares.
@@mojozepeda lol... I have no illusions regarding any significance to Honda about my reluctant departure from the ranks of long-standing, delighted owners. I just think it's really unfortunate that they ceded so much ground to others by dragging their feet on bringing out an actual EV. From a sentimental standpoint, though, I do hope they pull their collective heads out soon enough to be a player in the EV market. They have the talent... but the will...?
I’m glad hybrids are still around, but was sad to buy an EV this year without having Toyota as an option to consider.
(chuckling) I'm on the other side of the fence regarding hybrids, but when I decided to abandon pollution-based vehicles in 2019, I was similarly sad. After decades of being a huge fan of Honda tech and quality, and buying used Honda after used Honda after used Honda (cuz they last forever) Honda had no EV to offer me. Honda *so* let us down in that way. Borrowed enough to make my son's eyes roll, and bought a Tesla. I'll probably never look back or buy anything else... or at least never buy from a company trying to perpetuate pollution-based vehicles while feigning an interest in EVs.
Yeah, Toyota does offer tons of hybrids. Like the documentary mentions at 5:10 they've got them in tonnes of different sizes. I guess that helps them keep up on electric tech without changing everything out for dedicated electric!
@@patricksweeney6334 You mean companies that realise there are many people in the world who can't take out an eye-rolling loan for a car. Go on feeling smug and superior about your "investment" but just buying a new car of any kind is way out of the price range of many. Just one of the many massive container ships that traverse the globe generates the pollution of 50 million cars in a year, so your "sacrifice" is cancelled out in seconds. EVs are responsible for a lot of hype, but the largest pollution sources still fly under the media radar.
@@patricksweeney6334 EVs are just as bad and even the mining of materials such as cobalt for tesla involves child labor
I’m I am for waterline and hydrogen. I think Toyota is making a good thing with water, cars and hydration. I would buy one right away comes out.
Difficult for Toyota to abandon their hybrid system which it controls perfectly, for a 100% electric system which will bring them back to square one in terms of efficiency and durability, while their hybrid system is recognized for their efficiency and practically
lifetime no-hassle warranty.
Heavy machinery like excavators, bulldozers and large dump trucks can't run on battery's, hydrogen development will continue along side electric.
The thing is, is EVs really better for the environment, especially in developing countries where electricity is still mostly generated from fossil fuel, old batteries are thrown into landfills, charging stations are few and far in between, and not to mention the scorching heat and potholes the size of a broth pot that have been known to cause EVs to catch on fire? Besides, a good petrol car can serve well even after 30 years, where an EV will need to have its battery pack switched every 5 years or so in order to keep its range. Toyota, stubborn and conservative as they are just like the rest of the Japanese automotive industry, are not stupid. They know that the world more than just North America and Europe, unlike a News channel I won't even need to mention its name here.
Still in 2024 I'm absolutely with Toyota. Eastern Europe still with diesel.
I'm for free choice of the various kinds of cars. I was wrong . Toyota was right.
They are one of the few companies working on hydrogen fuel cells which is significantly better than standard evs
Toyota, today, is where Blackberry was in 2010.
TESLAS charge times and Range is what time frame ? Worse then a blackberry
Cars aren't phones. Even Apple figured that out, after spending a couple billion.
It's telling that they choose to be led by the market instead of leading the market
Well said!!!;)
Naa they are still market leaders
I like how they failed to mention Toyota and pretty much all the Japanese OEM had the most issues with supplies and lowest days inventory compared to all other automakers in 2022.
@@xong8254 🤣🤣🤡🤡
@@xong8254 you’re totally right the largest share on the planet is Toyota no wonder they run out of vehicles
And how they failed to mention the unreal recall levels of ford and GM.
@@alanross2243Tesla also had recalls
Given the current battery supply chain shortages, it is important to note that using ~100kwh of battery material to get 4 people driving Toyota PHEVs is better for the environment than 1 person driving a 100kwh BEV and the other 3 driving an ICE vehicle.
Picked up a new corolla last week, hybrid system is very good. Stats show over the first 50 miles driving a combination of urban and UK country lanes EV mode is at 54%. With a range starting at 612 miles combined petrol & EV. That's an acceptable compromise to me. Full EV is only good for those with a home charging set up and either solar or turbine charging to make it financially viable. How many working people can tick that box?
PS, the background music throughout this video ruined the experience, totally unnecessary.
hybrid makes sense, electric is idiotic
Toyota sold all is shares in Tesla in 2017. damn!
Dang, Tesla stock just lost 3 years of gains. Now you can buy a Prius for 27K that gets 60mpg. What's the point of EV's?
@@KingSobieski batteries degrade after 5 years. Toyota is all about longevity and reliability. Ev’s are a scam
@@KingSobieski better acceleration, 0-60 around 3 seconds, model 3 has 130 MPGe. Electric car still works out cheaper over the long because of fuel cost. I would still get a Toyota/lexus thou because of Tesla's garbage build quality
@@QH96 once everyone gets into EVs the govt is going to need to bring out higher property taxes on EV vehicles to offset the loss from gas tax needed to maintain roads. No one is actually going to get to 'save' money.
@@QH96 and tesla are too heavy :(
If Toyota listened to Katherine Garcia they'd be having layoffs like Ford and GM now.
Halfway through this video and they haven't even talked about the lithium mining yet. What kind of news coverage is this? Lithium mining is problematic. And Toyota is right. The emissions reductions of 90 hybrid vehicles is greater than the emissions reductions of 1 battery electric vehicle plus 89 conventional vehicles. The amount of lithium required for one battery electric vehicle can be used to make 90 hybrid cars.
CNBS makes commercials to appease their investors
The fact that CNBC put this video out without bothering to reference the fact that EV popularity and sales in the US have tanked in the past year and a half, and many companies that have put out EV models are struggling to sell the inventory they have (outside of Tesla) is mind boggling. The only reason that's not happening in EU countries is because of their communist laws forcing EV adoption (similar to CA in the US ofc). Toyota knows what's up.
For me, EV is still not a eco friendly product. From acquiring raw material of battery with child labour to charging with electricity made by coal. Other than that infrastructure of charging station and the time to recharge battery. Everything is negative about EV.
Hybrid, Hydrogen fuel might be the future and its worth waiting.
oil is the future
We already knew Toyota's approach was right. EV is one of the options, and not necessarily fits to all circumstances.
So the one of the problems with EVs is not enough charging stations? So Toyota thinks hydrogen is the answer? Where are all these hydrogen fueling stations?
The secret is that everyone that owns a home with a garage already has a charging station. 4 years with an EV and I've never needed to use public charging station. I don't even really need the special plug either. A regular 20 amp plug overnight will cover easily my commute the next day.
if they're wrong about Hydrogen, transition to Electric is dead easy, basically every car company on earth already somewhat transition
to Electric in no time at all,
Toyota have the skill and money to instantly transition to electric as well,
they won't going anywhere, it's a win win strategy for them
Tesla and EV are not so special and high tech you know,
@jensenraylight8011 yeah sure, that's why the Toyota BZ4X had wheels falling off and they couldn't even figure out how to fix the problem. The car is an abject failure.
@@CaptRespect that only works for people living in a house, most people living in apartments and condos won't be able to do that. they will be forced to charge for about 2 to 8 hours on weekends for EV to work.
@@CaptRespect funny thing is that we're much closer to running out of cobalt than we ever will with petroleum. In fact, we are never running out of oil. and the push for Ev's will soon fall back to gasoline engines in the distant future.
Toyota knows electric isn’t the future. They didn’t become as successful by not being able to see the future.
No Toyota is not late actually a year after this video was released everyone is pursuing Toyota’s hybrid strategy. Who’s right?
The goal should reducing emissions not building EVs. EVs are only one way of doing that which also will hit limitations with their useful life. Try doing a million miles in an EV.
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Toyota doesn’t know EVs. It knows Gas and Hybrids, extremely well at that. Why change when you’re better than everyone else?
Honda and bmw know gas engines better than Toyota but Toyota has hybrids
@@naveenthemachine still the most powerful per liter ICE on the market is that 1,6L turbocharged gasoline from GR Yaris and Corolla
@@Xenstein that I agree but how long will it really be around
I’d rather buy a Hybrid over a full EV…
Causes its harming the environment and yes I know EV's still harm our environment as well but the impact should be less than a typical ICE car
The biggest problem long term with EVs is Lithium resources
Lithium recycling tech has not caught up on an industrial scale. Smart move if you have a diverse tech portfolio.
Unfortunately, it seems no one wants to discuss this or the massive impact this creates. “O it’s so Green” they say because people think whatever power comes out of their plug (which might be fossil fuel at a plant) is cleaner than the fossil fuel in their existing vehicle, and they do not account for the lithium storage device within the vehicle itself.
@@danielBAC Doesn’t matter, we still don’t have enough of it to begin with even if we recycle all of it that we aren’t currently using… We need to find ALOT more in order to continue this trend and that’s not going to be easy, or good for the earth either… It’s the ultimate double edged sword.
Wrong. LIthium is plentiful. You only need a few kg per car anyway.
@@rogerphelps9939 Source? Otherwise shut up with the blatant misinformation
The answer isn’t EVs, it’s trains. So people in cities who don’t want to drive or can’t drive can still get around, and the people who still want to drive can drive. This would substantially reduce traffic so drivers can enjoy hitting the road more.
For cars, trucks, and SUVs, hybrids would be the best option going forward.
today, look like toyota was right, people want hybrids, not BEV
Toyota is working on a solid state battery (leads in patents) that should be out in the next few years. Those will be placed in hybrids first to test then I'm sure they'll systematically roll them to plug-in hybrids then EV's. If they hit their goal with the SSB (~350mi per charge) all of this criticism will fade. Until then, I'm all for their hybrids, and when I finally get solar added to the house I'll move to 1 plug-in and 1 EV.
can't agree more
If/when solid state batteries go into production, high volume producers of BEVs such as Tesla and BYD will have way more expertise around BMS and efficient BEV architectures. Anyone who believes that Toyota is in the know about solid state batteries more than Tesla and BYD are severely mistaken.
Tesla and BYD are two of the largest consumers of batteries in the world. Their business models heavily rely on battery technologies. With their BEV production prowess, Tesla and BYD will both be able to quickly switch to solid state battery chemistries if need be, so the production of solid state batteries actually makes Toyota’s future prospects even worse when you think critically about this.
Toyota barely consumes any batteries to produce their vehicles. Their knowledge on ICE vehicle technology and architectures will not suffice in the transition to BEVs. NIO, Zeekr, Aito and others are also coming for ICE vehicle market share. They are all gaining experience with BEV production and growing their market share, thereby increasing their mindshare.
SS battery is not going to be made for mass production. You should check why SES decided to stop developing it and focus on Lithium metal instead. Even Redwood materials do not consider the SS battery.
Having patents is whole lot different from having mass production technology and knowhow. Think about why TSMC dominates the semiconductor foundry industry.
Where did I mention Tesla in my comment? Or that TM is "in the know more than Tesla or BYD"? You're free to have your own opinion on the subject, which you clearly do, but there is no need to assume I had no critical thought about this. I just prefer TM's approach. They are moving a bit slower than I'd like but I understand not wanting to produce a vehicle that bursts into flames. Not to mention, where I live there aren't a lot of places available to charge a BEV, and even if there were I'd rather not wait 45min. Also, servicing a TSLA problem requires a flat bed and a 3hr road trip for the car from here so again, I'll stick to my Toyota/Lexus Hybrid/plugin for the next 5-10 years.
@@lo1409 Fairly certain TM has a partnership with Panasonic to produce SS Lithium batteries. I think that'd be more than enough mass production capability between the two and more than enough know how. Perhaps they fail and can't produce a SSB for mass production as you posit, however, I'm taking their word that they're working on the technology and given their past results I think it'll be fine.
Toyota wasted a lot of time and money developing the Hydrogen car. But they didn't build any Hydrogen filling stations for their cars. What were they thinking? This showed everyone with a brain that they weren't really serious. Plus the Toyota Mirai wasn't saving any money for the consumer. You don't hear or read any cost savings for owning a Hydrogen car. So why bother. By the way, I have been a Toyota car guy for years. But I traded in my 55 mpg Toyota Prius Eco for a Tesla Model 3 in 2021. I am extremely happy with my purchase. I essentially bought a well made land rocket. I am equally glad I am no longer buying gas. No more oil changes every 3000 miles...and no more car maintenance. Still have to buy tires and the occasional brakes. The brakes last longer because of regenerative braking. Most of the time I don't even use my brakes. Take your foot off the pedal and regenerative braking slows the car a lot and charges the battery. I have recovered over 10 miles going down mountain in Santa Barbara.
Not like that is Toyota's money. Most of it comes from Big Oil.
Of course Toyota didn't build hydrogen filling stations. How many gas stations are build by Ford? Hydrogen has the benefit that it can be distributed in a similar like petrol or LPG. Hydrogen can reuse existing infrastructure where EV infrastructure can not. We have two issues when it comes to the electric grid:
1) The grid is already overloaded
2) We don't have enough energy to power EV's, induction cooktops, airco's and headpumps.
In the US (or at least on the east coast) we have often power outages during the winter months or when a drunk driver hits a power pole. The grid here is not reliable, hence why I have a home battery.
While there are some great strives in battery development (sodium-ion and iron-air for name a few), but those are both heavier than lithium-ion and weight and mobility do not go hand in hand. Not to mention that batteries are not properly recycled today because the costs to do so are still too high.
However 10lbs of hydrogen gives you the same range as a petrol car and also has about the same weight. The fact is that if you look at cradle to cradle to patrol, BEV and hydrogen powered cars, they have about the same footprint in terms of pollutions (i.e. all bad). The difference is the kind of pollution. Have you seen the pollution of lithium/Kobalt mines? Those aren't any better than oil refineries, not to mention the forced child labor in many of these sites. Hydrogen is more difficult to produce in large quantities and the oil industry have all kind of issues of their own. Green cars are a myth.
We still have our 2012 Model S and currently I have both a Mercedes EQS (bev) and S560E (plugin hybrid), the last one for larger distances. I can go anywhere with my hybrid car. When I takes the EQS I actually have to plan my route. 70% of the energy used by my cars comes from solar panels on my roof. But the juice of many charging stations are not, those stations buy CO2 bonds to make the coal/gas generated power 'green'.
There is a reason why Toyota is currently the biggest manufacturer in the world. They want to keep the vehicles affordable and while BEV may be cheaper in the long term, you still have to fork over a substantial amount of money to even buy an EV. Money that most people not have. If BEV's are the future as most think they are, they just jump in when they become more affordable, otherwise they have experience with other techniques like hydrogen. It is not smart to put all your eggs in a single basket. It is true that Toyota is currently missing out on EV sales, but they have the luxury to choose that. Currently only 15% of new cars in CA are EV's. Other states have even worse figures. The CA grid is overloaded, hence why they are starting with net metering to 'punish' those household that return solar energy to the grid instead of storing it in a home battery (less strain on grid). Let's say that tomorrow we see pigs fly and everybody has enough money to buy an BEV. How do you recon we are gonna produce enough energy to charge all those EV's? Nuclear is bad, oil/gas aren't sustainable, so solar and wind turbines are left. Even if we cover the every house in the US with solar panels we still wouldn't produce enough energy...
The same issue also holds true for hydrogen, because the most used method to produce large quantities of hydrogen is electricity.
I'm originally from Europe, so even today I'm still laughing with the US gas prices. Just before Christmas I visit my family in The Netherlands and they paid around 2 euro per liter. That's about 7.60 USD per gallon (1 euro = 1 dollar exchange rate).
I drive a 1986 toyota corolla, gives me 40 mpg. 550000 miles and still going. Let me know when your tesla last as long.
In Melbourne Australia where they're trialling the Mirai you can fill up hydrogen for free at Toyota's Centre of Excellence with hydrogen generated on site.
The Koreans are doing to the Japanese what they did to American automakers in the 70's
Korean cars aren't anywhere near Japanese reliability. I have had both.....no contest.
The text in the thumbnail is amazing. I am restisting my desire to click like on this video.
😂😂😂
C’mon - Toyota knows how to make hybrids, they know how to make plug-in hybrids, they know how to make vehicle chassis’ and bodies. They have all the R&D resources any company could hope to have. Why is everyone so stuck on this concept that Toyota “can’t catch up” on EVs?
Toyota was right.
I don’t think Toyota is too late to the EVs, the environment friendly materials and comfortable inner designs, the enough and proper spaces among passenger sits, hope they can keep their advantages or good-at, to guide a better living with car style.
Toyota is not broken, so don’t fix it. There will always be a demand and need for reliable vehicles with internal combustion engines
Might be a demand but the law will stop the selling it to those that demand it. Tough.
Not 10 million of them
The horse and buggy manufacturers also said the same thing when Ford started producing the model T. I think Blockbuster had the same strategy before Netflix. Who would ever want to stream movies instead of driving to the store? :)
If you keep on thinking that way - you will be Amish in no time.
@@dogfacedponysoldier87 EV isn’t for everyone or everything. If charging becomes a lot faster and cheaper and more charging stations then maybe but gas is easy and normally cheap