Yeah I had no idea there were tiers to GS. Was that in the announcements? Either way, high roller should NOT be filled with stock armored players. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Or do people prefer normals for the easier mobs so that PVP is easier to do without having to clear elite mobs?
It’s not mentioned anywhere lol. They just say 25 and above when you click play. They might need to do a better job at communication these things. The fact that it had to be data mined 🤣
As of now, HR is for pve gold farm and ranking for those who care about AP. Normals is for pvp and farming gold by stealing from players. If iron Mace doesn't incentivize the HR runs somehow, this has no reason to change.
it's just easier to guarantee pvp fights. having 125+ gs pretty much takes out naked players in your lobby and most the time it's filled with actual geared players so it's just better for pvp wise.
@@uKinustit’s just weird how 125+ gs lobbies in HR give you stock armored players. It doesn’t make sense from a design standpoint since Hr is suppose to be the tougher more punishing mode
The gear score matchmaking is good in normals, 1-24, 25-124, and 125+. U can choose what kind of people u are going to find and i think pvp is just more comfortable when mobs arent an absolute menace since there is no arena mode and people just want to whack each other with sticks, hence why most go to normals. Also worth mentioning is the steam release. The free game only allows normals, so there was a massive influx of new players hitting normals only. Game learning curve can be harsh so they wont be joining HR as much even after buying the game.
Eye opening point. Thanks for your input! Makes a lot of sense. I’m hearing the HR has no GS cap? So that’s why I’m running into timmies while wearing 300+ armor. So it makes actual sense to run normals in 300+ gear if I’m trying to fight only geared players. No wonder. Could have been nice if the devs explained the GS situation ngl. Maybe they did? I didn’t hear it though. Thanks!
@@thelorrI run squire gear in high rollers soo the juicers leave me alone I extract with good loot sell on the trade works every time 😅 there only looking for players with gear if you have no gear your left alone
@@roarm112Show me the part where they said it was a good thing, I’ll wait. Did you even read what they wrote before typing your terminally online rage comment?
me when iron mace makes me pay 100g to fight mobs that are harder to kill and players with no gear and i waste 5-15 minutes of my time depending on if i miss the elevator or not 😀😀😀
Do people really dont get it why most people play super geared on normals? most of these geared players didn't buy the game, so that's their only option. 😅
Normals is definitely "arena mode at home" at the moment. - There's no entry fee - You can guarantee people have more than 124GS - PVE is a non-factor so finding PVP is a lot easier and you're less likely to be griefed by nightmare mobs - Up until a few days ago non-named uniques didn't exist, so less reason to HR - Gear and gold is the most accessible it's ever been, market prices are really cheap and it's very easy to pull out 1k gold in treasure in HR with little to no competition. - AP farmers want to PVE and focus on their grind and PVP is risky and un-rewarding in HR. - Goblin caves in particular is the smallest and most dense map and the only map with big hot spots (Bosses and center room) so it's where all the PVP junkies go.
Makes some sense honestly, juicers are 2 shotting all the mobs so they can just mow through everything that gets in the way of PvP and focus on the PvP part, while in HR you might find yourself cornered by a nightmare sword skelly and a red axe skelly while you’re trying to kite someone
this is exactly what happened before gear caps and before normals, high roller is the low risk high reward gold farming mode for people who just want to grind out gear and treasure, and low roller is the mode for juicers who want pvp with the upside of occasionally running into an easy fight against a timmy who doesn't know any better and assumes normals is the easy lobbies
This is also what happened last time HR had an entry fee, HR died overnight so they made HR free again. I think Ironmace has this completely reversed. They don't need to "incentivize" HR by making it more rewarding because then it'll become even more PVE mode. They need to remove the entry fee. They need to remove gear brackets from normals and add a gear bracket or gear requirement to HR. This way HR is profitable, accessible, AND filters out base kits. The problem is this game's community is full of sweatlords. Just look up Apollo's tournament video back when normals was capped to blue gear. His team is wearing 20k worth of lab crafted BiS blues and running spawn to spawn killing people in grey gear. If they cap or bracket anything people will min/max the fun and fairness out of it (like a certain 124 GS cheese exploit I've seen in trios a few times)
i can't even buy health pots and bandages from losing so much gold in normals bro. like it's so crazy. as a new player, it's so fucking crazy and annoying that the lobbies you "think" are supposed to be easier for you is actually the exact opposite lobby you should try and farm gold in.
Juicers in normal lobbies are giving me Dark Souls 1 Twink vibes. They're not interested in PVP. They're interested in shitting on new/unprepared players. Thank you for stripping them of their gear.
this is untrue, there is just way more geared people to pvp with in norms over 125+ so you get way more consistent geared pvp. Highroller is dead most hours. people wanna fight, not kill mobs all day.
Just watching the start of your video; the rumour about the unconfirmed gear cap has been proven via datamining. There is another normals gear level, between 25 and 124 gear score. It is not mentioned in patch notes or in-game.
the fact that there’s no annoying AP entry fee to worry about in normals makes it a lot more attractive for PvP and big comeups defeating super geared players
I remember when I first started playing, it took me hundreds of hours to even consider queuing HR cause I didn’t wanna get dunked on, probably the same thing happening here for the new players
7:54 You don’t gotta insult us man, we can’t just w key clerics or fighters because pdr. Insulting other classes because people insult your class is not a good reason. Answering negativity with negativity ain’t a good mindset.
I hear you. I said it as a defense against the haters towards rangers. Like at least we gotta aim. Barb is W key. If up against cleric, it’s dodge and W key or catch em off guard and W key or timing and W Key. At least me and the rangers gotta aim! It ain’t negative it’s just facts o7
HR has a hidden gear score lobby of ~450-500+. So you are putting yourself into the unlimited gear score lobby in normals, and the lower gear score lobbies in hr.
There are 3 gear score pools in normals, confirmed and 100% true. 0-24 25-124 125 and up. I find the best of the best loot in 125 and up lobbies for sure go here for pvp and good gear. I have the most fun in 25-124 lobbies though fights are fun and balanced. Edit.. also there is no matchmaking in high roller at all hence why nobody is going in with gear. Put matchmaking of some kind and there will be more in high roller.
As someone who got the game and started really playing in the last 2 weeks, it's been a rough ride in normals. I had to get better fast or always lose my shit. I've done decent the last couple sessions, but lord was it annoying early on.
I don't think the GS brackets are a bad thing even with people running insane kits in normals. This is the highest tier of lobby for FTP players, so it makes sense they use all their gear. It's also fun to play without having to worry about mobs and just running down players. That being said it does suck that HR is that dead. I also think there are some issues with the
As a new player myself, the advice i give to other new players is to not worry about buying gear and just expect to get killed by a juicer when you upgrade your gear score naturally. You will have more success in PvP under 25 GS but still use your upgraded loot so you can learn to fight above your weight. If you die, well you didnt lose money and you will go back to
Its manly because PvPers have decided that normal lobbys are where you go to fight. Mobs are not in the way all that much compared to HR and lobbys fill faster
So if you go above 124 GS, you get put in the anything goes lobbies. My friend and I have been duoing for a long time but haven't had a third. We finally found a friend to trio with and are teaching him the game. 124 GS lobbies are an amazing learning environment, and honestly, the most competitive I've experienced too. You can make a build with roughly a full green set on every character, and there's other cool ways to min max as well. Give them a try some time, stupid fun imo
HR people are not looking for pvp and more for AP or loot to have better gear and in normal it's focused on pvp there's no point on looting in normals. And i feel like there's ALWAYS one juiced guy in each 125+ gear score game
I think this is a solos thing, I played a few games of HR in duos and trios, first game of trios I get in a lobby with jay and Repoze, first game of duos me and my teammate get assassinated by 2 absolutely bis rogues. HR to me is just a sure fire way to lose a kit because other players out gear me by a ton and I bring in pretty decent 4-5k kits
i just picked up the game a week ago. i love it but i honestly feel like i cant even equip the gear i earn because normals are like this. i dont stand a chance
if you dont understand why here you go. players have been fighting non-stop sweat since the playtests. Now that there is an influx of noobs, people can relax and pvp for fun (easy kills).
There is definitely a lot of geared players in normals. when I run my pvp pickpocket build in high roller I run across a few juiced players but mainly I'm just killing RMT players in the high roller lobbies. 😅
🤣 yeah.. no way these players have THAT great gear. I don’t even run gear like that and I play A LOT. I also have different principals recently. I just sell insane gear and use mid gear. I realized you don’t need insane gear in this game to win your fights
@@thelorr Yeah I have like 3K hours in Chivalry 1, 5k hours in mount and blade, and 2.5k hours in Mordhau. I go in with Squire/Uncommon stuff and often clean house in the 25-124, at least against other melee players. I keep trying for reverse overheads and getting myself killed though...
@@bobaorc7839 Also like 5k hours in mount and blade warband organized play. God, I wish this game had warband blocking and parrying. It would actually be the goat game.
why would there be gbmm for HR? if you're high rolling, that's the gear based matchmaking. Maybe they should make it so you must be at least a certain GS to enter HR?
@@Borkomora To give people the chance to get high tier'd loot without being crushed by no lifers? Let me explain it from my point of view I guess. Play game couple hours a day > want good stuff > go into HR for good stuff > Get destroyed losing my ok stuff > Have nothing > Back to normals... The problem being if I want to actually play the game and pvp I have to do it in normals. Also, GBMM makes green and blue gear worth an f. The only people that didn't like gbmm were no life andys wanting to use full leggos on undergeared noobs for fun. It's so blatantly an issue I can't even anymore. The reason max gs was empty is because NOBODY WANTED TO PLAY IT. Why take away the more popular version of the gbmm (under 299) and make us play in the version that was literally empty.
@@Borkomora Well, I replied to your response but it got deleted somehow and I can't be bothered anymore. You're right f everything ride it til the wheels fall off who gives a sh anymore xD
idk why, and I mean this in a nice way, the pure anger in your voice regarding the state of it all and how easy normals is to get bis from people is hilarious, it's so genuine and I feel it too
Thanks man, lately I’ve been feeling irritated with it but not in a way where it’s all that serious. I enjoy being real with the videos even if some things could sound negative. I spend 100 gold each time for the “hardcore” game mode to roll timmies in stock gear lol. It doesn’t make sense in my mind from a game design standpoint. HR is suppose to be unforgiving and it’s where you SHOULD bring your best gear. It’s flipped rn. Interesting stuff
@@thelorr somewhere along the line I think the core gameplay loop got lost, we gotta return it to baseline without alienating the f2ps. The fact that it's gotten this bad due to a single poor marketing choice (calling the steam release f2p instead of saying 'trial version' or something) is hilarious but it's time for IM to correct course, the fallout from that is over. Either limit normals to blue & under gear and keep the current under 25/up to 125/anything goes GS system and keep HR anything goes to incentivize f2ps to buy the game or just make the loot in HR more rewarding cause the tradeoff for how annoying it is to traverse is absolutely not worth it for what you get out of crypts (and arguably inferno if you don't run boss) I'm still enjoying this wipe a hell of a lot more than the last few even if cleric is ridiculous rn
@@lookingforsmalldads7588my opinion is that it’s genuinely due to them adding back the fee and increasing nightmare mobs. I only play HR, on Europe my lobbies are still geared but sad to see on NA
The only reason to go HR is for ranked and better drop rates. In exchange you get harder mobs, less info, and no Gear Score protection. Free to play players can't play HR. So they can only use their gear in normals. Normals is more fun due to more pvp. You don't have to deal with getting shit on by mobs. You have more info. It doesn't cost money. There's no ranked anxiety.
gold is incredibly easy to get without any skill, just play duo/trio normals 24 gearscore and farm all the high tier chests for half an inventory of good sellables, then go kill the normals boss and loot pile or go run through the entire inferno map taking all the high tier chests. easy 400-500G per run without taking to count good gear drops
“I can’t believe this is is normal lobbies, this is going to kill the game” Said when the game is at its most popular and everyone is vocal about how much they hate HR and prefer normals lol
Speaking as a formerly f2p for a while, yeah you don't really have much to spend gold on except gear on the marketplace. And then add to the fact that we can only queue normals, it's no surprise you start to see a lot more geared but less skilled players there. Full legendary people are probably just HR hoppers though cause ain't no way we getting that much money lol Granted legendaries aren't too bad to buy either with it only being 500-1500g depending. If you farm up on 124 and less it ain't too bad, can easily make 100+g every run off treasures alone. Tbh I think all the people you run into in HR currently are probably new people like me who bought the game to play HR to get gear to go into norms and pvp cause we get tired of losing our bought sets to juicers lol But yeah it should def be flipped. Personally in response to your question it's way easier to pvp in norms than HR. I feel like it takes too long to clear rooms in HR compared to norms where you can pretty much just out kite everything if you wanted to since they don't move freakishly fast and hit as hard; essentially getting into actual pvp content faster. I don't think there's an easy fix to this unless they just want to cuck F2Ps by limiting gear in norms. But even then that kinda sucks for the pvp players since they have to PvE to actually get anywhere again. Imo they have to reduce the amount of nightmare mobs in HR, allow F2Ps into HR, and there should be a gear score requirement rather than paying gold. Only then can they limit norms to blues. I feel like that creates a lot more healthier learning environment for new players while also creating a healthy progression into more geared PvP while not cucking the F2Ps. There's still incentive to buy the game cause having only 1 char slot and not being able to access marketplace to sell stuff sucks, esp if you're losing a lot of kits. And if you enjoy the game, all the more reason to. Honestly why make the game F2P if they're going to lock away portions of the game from them behind a P2P wall; that just looks scummy and pushes people away. They should just keep P2P as a QoL service and a way to support the devs. And if they really wanna milk the F2Ps, just take a page from Riot. If they make the QoL a subscription fee though I'm rioting.
MOST players are playing under 25 gear score. Id say its about 70% or more. The lobbies que IMMEDIATELY and i saw some poles asking what people play most.
"how are new players surviving" I'll tell ya. I sell every single bit of gear I get. Doesnt matter what it is, it all gets turned into gold. I then put on a base kit, and head into a sub 25 lobby. I then get quest materials and pray to god it unlocks more base gear. I head in and get my shit rocked which further reaffirms I'm absolutely NOT buying a kit just to throw it all away. Ergo I'm perpetually stuck at sub 25 gearscore, and even though I've purchased the game, I will not be able to enjoy the full experience because I'll just get my shit pushed in by some jackass with 10x gearscore than I. Therefore im in a cycle: -Do a run -sell everything -full inv of coin pouches -buy materials for gold coin bag -repeat -"why am I even doing this?" -log off and play something more rewarding
@@MayonnaiseSyrup Yeah. the problem is since this game is so unforgiving, and the people in it are such a degree of skill level above my own I dont really learn anything from a fight. I push, I die, I stay back, I die, I try to mix and match, I die, I try to use some tech, I die. Not to mention I like to play with my friends, but they fuckin SUCK at this game, like even harder than I do. So getting into team fights when I cant even 1v1... a 1v1 I can at least learn the slightest bit from, maybe if I did 500 hrs of solos I'd eventually git gud, but getting outnumbered and pushed, nah, theres nothing to be learned there except womp womp, shoulda had better friends.
@@TheVodkaSniper Sorry to necro, i just saw this. Real talk play like a rat. Fair fights dont work for you? That's cuz there isn't a fair fight in the game. Try ranger traps and spear mast. Try landmining. Try playing slow and careful with a felling axe barbarian. Play high burst classes built for surprise attacks and find some little ledge of success. Then use those gains to try and improve and play a way you enjoy the fullest
in high roll, low geared people try to stealthily kill an geared, in noramls it's the other way around, so in everyone extraction fps. well, pve is weaker, normal people come in to play(pvp), not to farm
I’m a new player and I can tell you I don’t survive. I’m mostly focusing on pve atm. Wanna learn to fight ever mob and take no damage before I even pvp. I try and defend myself but most of the time it does not work out. Slayer fighter here.
5:06 you are not bad only the shitty movement should be completely removed so players cant move like its RUST 13:20 For me my 5th item from goblin merchant was UNIQUE so I sold it to marketplace for few hundred gold. Price could be over 1k, but I dont really care about the gold in this game since there are wipes.
I was trying to do quests in under 25 gear score for goby merchant and I found the same 150+ level meta cleric constantly wiping the dungeon. I am now trying to do cyclops (pain)
Almost every one of those players were Real Money Traders guarantee it, they just 700GS roll Timmy lobbies all day. People in the discord literally post group invites for rolling norms in max BIS. I run into full BIS players with no concept of the game because all they do is gear gap W key people and cant fathom a player with decent mechanics. Doesn't even feel that great to take their shit because they swipe mom's credit card for 10 dollars and some random farmer sends them 40k gold. People who have no integrity can have more gold instantly for 20 dollars then 50% of players make in a wipe.
I dont think its that big of a promblem but i do get your gripes, you go into hr geared expecting to dight geared players but its either a dead lobby or there is no one geared i think a way to fix would be gear based matched making but that could also just make even more dead lobbys.
I've already killed several kitted players, including one rogue with a full legend set. It amazes me how unskilled these players were. Just mind boggling how they manage to get these kits? They pay for it or something?
Thousands of new players are playing the game off of steam and other platforms The F2p only lets you play normals im sure if everyone could go Highroller there would be way more balanced gear between everyone
As a new player it suck to play normal because my gear is so bad that pvp encounter I dead in one shot to the other players like I want to do pvp but can’t
Easy fix, give HR to free to play players and go back to the old system where you can’t bring gear into normals. Give the pay to play players a cosmetic item or some crap
Sweaty players taking advantage of f2p players where normals are our only lobby and with access to market thats the only place we can bring our gear, and we cant even sell the kits we loot, or make back what we lose.
Yeah that's kinda crazy, I've wondered so much. Im like 50h into and after few extraktions ive learnd some, watched some guides, found some blue weapons green geer was about 130 GS and every lobby were like in vid. Im like lame at pvp, this system is kinda disappointing... Cant learn shit, i need to go under 24 to play with my level guys
plenty of timmy's in the 25-124 range too, you can only learn so much by playing with babies in grey lobbies. it's great for learning the basics but you'll want to move up to fight more experienced people more consistently
@@soft1k325 i mean honestly if you're playing one of the squishy classes, that's pretty normal. Even as a fighter with good PDR, it won't take a barbarian more than 4-6 hits to kill ya
if i wanna pvp i just go normal lobbies too, why i gonna risk getting ganked by rogues or archers in HR ? if i wanna move have a million hard mobs to fuck me, in normal games the mobs die in 1/2 taps and i can focus on pvp
RMT is pretty bad this season, me and my friends have seen a lot of very "geared" players with no synergy to their kits or 0 skills to make sense of it. Thats probably in part whats happening here too.
I’ve experienced similar. I fought people where there’s no way they should be having that kind of gear unless their friends gifted them some stuff which I can see happening, or like you said real money trade.
@@thelorr the one example that sticks out most for me was a full legendary gear warlock with like 0 mag healing. Like ever single piece of his kit was legendary for no reason lmao
I've been going hr this whole wipe and i was feeling like why do i kill 0 geared players and then randomly one juiced team comes and i die cause its a rogue or something, now I see where I can get my cleric juice
can people with free to play accounts use the trading post? maybe its just a bunch of new players all RMTing for their gear thats why they all suck but have nice stuff lol? it is strange tho.
for me high roller is jsut not fun, tons of high HP mobs that does way too much dmg and the biggest problem is they dont even drop anything worth your time. id rather just go for pvp and 1 shot the trash mobs
the 124GS is BS, when i play bard whit a simple green rapier i see people whit 220 gc and more and i dont know why, it seems like sometimes the 124gs cap works and sometimes not
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Yeah I had no idea there were tiers to GS. Was that in the announcements? Either way, high roller should NOT be filled with stock armored players. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Or do people prefer normals for the easier mobs so that PVP is easier to do without having to clear elite mobs?
It’s not mentioned anywhere lol. They just say 25 and above when you click play. They might need to do a better job at communication these things. The fact that it had to be data mined 🤣
people whitout legendary account have to use their gear somewhere
As of now, HR is for pve gold farm and ranking for those who care about AP. Normals is for pvp and farming gold by stealing from players. If iron Mace doesn't incentivize the HR runs somehow, this has no reason to change.
it's just easier to guarantee pvp fights. having 125+ gs pretty much takes out naked players in your lobby and most the time it's filled with actual geared players so it's just better for pvp wise.
@@uKinustit’s just weird how 125+ gs lobbies in HR give you stock armored players. It doesn’t make sense from a design standpoint since Hr is suppose to be the tougher more punishing mode
The gear score matchmaking is good in normals, 1-24, 25-124, and 125+. U can choose what kind of people u are going to find and i think pvp is just more comfortable when mobs arent an absolute menace since there is no arena mode and people just want to whack each other with sticks, hence why most go to normals.
Also worth mentioning is the steam release. The free game only allows normals, so there was a massive influx of new players hitting normals only. Game learning curve can be harsh so they wont be joining HR as much even after buying the game.
Eye opening point. Thanks for your input! Makes a lot of sense. I’m hearing the HR has no GS cap? So that’s why I’m running into timmies while wearing 300+ armor. So it makes actual sense to run normals in 300+ gear if I’m trying to fight only geared players. No wonder. Could have been nice if the devs explained the GS situation ngl. Maybe they did? I didn’t hear it though. Thanks!
@@thelorrI run squire gear in high rollers soo the juicers leave me alone I extract with good loot sell on the trade works every time 😅 there only looking for players with gear if you have no gear your left alone
How do you think this is a good thing? It literally just splits the playerbase even further.
@@roarm112Show me the part where they said it was a good thing, I’ll wait. Did you even read what they wrote before typing your terminally online rage comment?
@@The_Riot "The gear score matchmaking is good in normals"
me when iron mace makes me pay 100g to fight mobs that are harder to kill and players with no gear and i waste 5-15 minutes of my time depending on if i miss the elevator or not 😀😀😀
This always happens. Last wipe everyone played 199 and below because supposedly nobody played above it, then that becomes a self fulfilling thing.
I heard there's three tiers:
1. Lower than 25
2. 25 to 125 (something like that)
3. 125 and above
24-
25-124
125+
yeah thats correct and lobby 1 and 2 feel about the same besides people bringing in maybe 1-2 good pieces.
that's true i tested it
@@xaedris there are people that minmax there 124 Gear Score and thats pretty op
I do that with my cleric haha. Full copper light and a blue staff and a necklace of peace. Makes you feel like a god haha
i gued with my friend into normal GC duos, we killed guys who had 20k kits each with our 400g kits. I enjoy these lobbies
Nice 🤣
Do people really dont get it why most people play super geared on normals? most of these geared players didn't buy the game, so that's their only option. 😅
Normals is definitely "arena mode at home" at the moment.
- There's no entry fee
- You can guarantee people have more than 124GS
- PVE is a non-factor so finding PVP is a lot easier and you're less likely to be griefed by nightmare mobs
- Up until a few days ago non-named uniques didn't exist, so less reason to HR
- Gear and gold is the most accessible it's ever been, market prices are really cheap and it's very easy to pull out 1k gold in treasure in HR with little to no competition.
- AP farmers want to PVE and focus on their grind and PVP is risky and un-rewarding in HR.
- Goblin caves in particular is the smallest and most dense map and the only map with big hot spots (Bosses and center room) so it's where all the PVP junkies go.
and normals have a healthier population. F2P can not even access HR.
tbh this video makes thelor look pretty stupid.
Bro had me at “like and subscribe so I can quit my job”. I got you.
Makes some sense honestly, juicers are 2 shotting all the mobs so they can just mow through everything that gets in the way of PvP and focus on the PvP part, while in HR you might find yourself cornered by a nightmare sword skelly and a red axe skelly while you’re trying to kite someone
this is exactly what happened before gear caps and before normals, high roller is the low risk high reward gold farming mode for people who just want to grind out gear and treasure, and low roller is the mode for juicers who want pvp with the upside of occasionally running into an easy fight against a timmy who doesn't know any better and assumes normals is the easy lobbies
This is also what happened last time HR had an entry fee, HR died overnight so they made HR free again.
I think Ironmace has this completely reversed. They don't need to "incentivize" HR by making it more rewarding because then it'll become even more PVE mode.
They need to remove the entry fee. They need to remove gear brackets from normals and add a gear bracket or gear requirement to HR. This way HR is profitable, accessible, AND filters out base kits.
The problem is this game's community is full of sweatlords. Just look up Apollo's tournament video back when normals was capped to blue gear. His team is wearing 20k worth of lab crafted BiS blues and running spawn to spawn killing people in grey gear. If they cap or bracket anything people will min/max the fun and fairness out of it (like a certain 124 GS cheese exploit I've seen in trios a few times)
i can't even buy health pots and bandages from losing so much gold in normals bro. like it's so crazy. as a new player, it's so fucking crazy and annoying that the lobbies you "think" are supposed to be easier for you is actually the exact opposite lobby you should try and farm gold in.
There is a 25-124 gs lobby so you won’t get juicers till after that
5:03 casually weaving in a matrix dodge while running.
Juicers in normal lobbies are giving me Dark Souls 1 Twink vibes. They're not interested in PVP. They're interested in shitting on new/unprepared players. Thank you for stripping them of their gear.
this is untrue, there is just way more geared people to pvp with in norms over 125+ so you get way more consistent geared pvp. Highroller is dead most hours. people wanna fight, not kill mobs all day.
Just watching the start of your video; the rumour about the unconfirmed gear cap has been proven via datamining. There is another normals gear level, between 25 and 124 gear score. It is not mentioned in patch notes or in-game.
Its defo a thing, i run 25-124 125+ GS lobbies all the time, i can confirm.
I think it’s on their website
Thanks for the info!
the fact that there’s no annoying AP entry fee to worry about in normals makes it a lot more attractive for PvP and big comeups defeating super geared players
My assumption is HR mobs are more tedious to fight. Normals you can focus on the PVP more?
I think the same!
I remember when I first started playing, it took me hundreds of hours to even consider queuing HR cause I didn’t wanna get dunked on, probably the same thing happening here for the new players
Goblin merchant has been absolutely cracked for me this wipe. Cant really go too wrong gambling the accessories
7:54 You don’t gotta insult us man, we can’t just w key clerics or fighters because pdr. Insulting other classes because people insult your class is not a good reason. Answering negativity with negativity ain’t a good mindset.
I hear you. I said it as a defense against the haters towards rangers. Like at least we gotta aim. Barb is W key. If up against cleric, it’s dodge and W key or catch em off guard and W key or timing and W Key. At least me and the rangers gotta aim!
It ain’t negative it’s just facts o7
HR has a hidden gear score lobby of ~450-500+. So you are putting yourself into the unlimited gear score lobby in normals, and the lower gear score lobbies in hr.
an answer to "where are they getting their gear from" while playing bad and having crazy kits, one simple answer:
RMT
There are 3 gear score pools in normals, confirmed and 100% true.
0-24
25-124
125 and up. I find the best of the best loot in 125 and up lobbies for sure go here for pvp and good gear. I have the most fun in 25-124 lobbies though fights are fun and balanced. Edit.. also there is no matchmaking in high roller at all hence why nobody is going in with gear. Put matchmaking of some kind and there will be more in high roller.
25-124 I agree has been the most fun.
Wouldn't matchmaking just split the playerbase even more? Why do people want that specifically? For climbing?
Yeah, I like the 25-124. Every fight is balanced. No one can stack stupid stats and every fight is winnable no matter what class you are on.
@@Brotection_ it would, but that way you are only running into the players you prefer to see.
25 and under is good, but i feel like 125 should be 150-160....its too easy to go past 124.
ggs mate, i was the fighter at 6:30. i couldnt diffuse cuz i would have died, n i was so rushed up cuz i killed a 40k+ gearset dude earlier. ggs!
ggs brother o7
@@thelorr ty for being chill abt it tho, we 1-1 cuz ive murdered u in ruins as rogue.
@@thelorr i was also in norms because nobody is geared in hr aswell.
As someone who got the game and started really playing in the last 2 weeks, it's been a rough ride in normals. I had to get better fast or always lose my shit. I've done decent the last couple sessions, but lord was it annoying early on.
Excited for Lorrgue
I don't think the GS brackets are a bad thing even with people running insane kits in normals. This is the highest tier of lobby for FTP players, so it makes sense they use all their gear. It's also fun to play without having to worry about mobs and just running down players. That being said it does suck that HR is that dead. I also think there are some issues with the
As a new player myself, the advice i give to other new players is to not worry about buying gear and just expect to get killed by a juicer when you upgrade your gear score naturally. You will have more success in PvP under 25 GS but still use your upgraded loot so you can learn to fight above your weight. If you die, well you didnt lose money and you will go back to
Its manly because PvPers have decided that normal lobbys are where you go to fight. Mobs are not in the way all that much compared to HR and lobbys fill faster
So if you go above 124 GS, you get put in the anything goes lobbies. My friend and I have been duoing for a long time but haven't had a third. We finally found a friend to trio with and are teaching him the game. 124 GS lobbies are an amazing learning environment, and honestly, the most competitive I've experienced too. You can make a build with roughly a full green set on every character, and there's other cool ways to min max as well. Give them a try some time, stupid fun imo
"hope everyone is doing alright, i am, but if your not sometimes you just gotta go get a donut" realest shit ive ever heard.
HR people are not looking for pvp and more for AP or loot to have better gear and in normal it's focused on pvp there's no point on looting in normals. And i feel like there's ALWAYS one juiced guy in each 125+ gear score game
I think this is a solos thing, I played a few games of HR in duos and trios, first game of trios I get in a lobby with jay and Repoze, first game of duos me and my teammate get assassinated by 2 absolutely bis rogues. HR to me is just a sure fire way to lose a kit because other players out gear me by a ton and I bring in pretty decent 4-5k kits
i just picked up the game a week ago. i love it but i honestly feel like i cant even equip the gear i earn because normals are like this. i dont stand a chance
if you dont understand why here you go. players have been fighting non-stop sweat since the playtests. Now that there is an influx of noobs, people can relax and pvp for fun (easy kills).
There is definitely a lot of geared players in normals. when I run my pvp pickpocket build in high roller I run across a few juiced players but mainly I'm just killing RMT players in the high roller lobbies. 😅
RMT farmers*
🤣 yeah.. no way these players have THAT great gear. I don’t even run gear like that and I play A LOT. I also have different principals recently. I just sell insane gear and use mid gear. I realized you don’t need insane gear in this game to win your fights
@@thelorr Yeah I have like 3K hours in Chivalry 1, 5k hours in mount and blade, and 2.5k hours in Mordhau. I go in with Squire/Uncommon stuff and often clean house in the 25-124, at least against other melee players. I keep trying for reverse overheads and getting myself killed though...
@@bobaorc7839 Also like 5k hours in mount and blade warband organized play. God, I wish this game had warband blocking and parrying. It would actually be the goat game.
I refuse to come back until they make a gbmm for HR again. It's the dumbest shit taking good gear into a normal.
why would there be gbmm for HR? if you're high rolling, that's the gear based matchmaking. Maybe they should make it so you must be at least a certain GS to enter HR?
@@Borkomora To give people the chance to get high tier'd loot without being crushed by no lifers? Let me explain it from my point of view I guess. Play game couple hours a day > want good stuff > go into HR for good stuff > Get destroyed losing my ok stuff > Have nothing > Back to normals... The problem being if I want to actually play the game and pvp I have to do it in normals. Also, GBMM makes green and blue gear worth an f. The only people that didn't like gbmm were no life andys wanting to use full leggos on undergeared noobs for fun. It's so blatantly an issue I can't even anymore. The reason max gs was empty is because NOBODY WANTED TO PLAY IT. Why take away the more popular version of the gbmm (under 299) and make us play in the version that was literally empty.
@@Borkomora Well, I replied to your response but it got deleted somehow and I can't be bothered anymore. You're right f everything ride it til the wheels fall off who gives a sh anymore xD
it's not just 0-24, it's also 25-124 for the second tier of gs. devs havent officially said so but it's been tried and tested.
I wonder how all those geared players would feel knowing all their gear got flushed down the goblin merchants toilet lol
idk why, and I mean this in a nice way, the pure anger in your voice regarding the state of it all and how easy normals is to get bis from people is hilarious, it's so genuine and I feel it too
Thanks man, lately I’ve been feeling irritated with it but not in a way where it’s all that serious. I enjoy being real with the videos even if some things could sound negative. I spend 100 gold each time for the “hardcore” game mode to roll timmies in stock gear lol. It doesn’t make sense in my mind from a game design standpoint. HR is suppose to be unforgiving and it’s where you SHOULD bring your best gear. It’s flipped rn. Interesting stuff
@@thelorr somewhere along the line I think the core gameplay loop got lost, we gotta return it to baseline without alienating the f2ps. The fact that it's gotten this bad due to a single poor marketing choice (calling the steam release f2p instead of saying 'trial version' or something) is hilarious but it's time for IM to correct course, the fallout from that is over. Either limit normals to blue & under gear and keep the current under 25/up to 125/anything goes GS system and keep HR anything goes to incentivize f2ps to buy the game or just make the loot in HR more rewarding cause the tradeoff for how annoying it is to traverse is absolutely not worth it for what you get out of crypts (and arguably inferno if you don't run boss)
I'm still enjoying this wipe a hell of a lot more than the last few even if cleric is ridiculous rn
@@lookingforsmalldads7588my opinion is that it’s genuinely due to them adding back the fee and increasing nightmare mobs. I only play HR, on Europe my lobbies are still geared but sad to see on NA
I swear, everyone just got their demigod grind done and switched to normals thereon afterwards.
The only reason to go HR is for ranked and better drop rates. In exchange you get harder mobs, less info, and no Gear Score protection.
Free to play players can't play HR. So they can only use their gear in normals.
Normals is more fun due to more pvp. You don't have to deal with getting shit on by mobs. You have more info. It doesn't cost money. There's no ranked anxiety.
gold is incredibly easy to get without any skill, just play duo/trio normals 24 gearscore and farm all the high tier chests for half an inventory of good sellables, then go kill the normals boss and loot pile or go run through the entire inferno map taking all the high tier chests. easy 400-500G per run without taking to count good gear drops
“I can’t believe this is is normal lobbies, this is going to kill the game”
Said when the game is at its most popular and everyone is vocal about how much they hate HR and prefer normals lol
I absolutely agree. Requires gear cup for normal!
Speaking as a formerly f2p for a while, yeah you don't really have much to spend gold on except gear on the marketplace. And then add to the fact that we can only queue normals, it's no surprise you start to see a lot more geared but less skilled players there. Full legendary people are probably just HR hoppers though cause ain't no way we getting that much money lol Granted legendaries aren't too bad to buy either with it only being 500-1500g depending. If you farm up on 124 and less it ain't too bad, can easily make 100+g every run off treasures alone.
Tbh I think all the people you run into in HR currently are probably new people like me who bought the game to play HR to get gear to go into norms and pvp cause we get tired of losing our bought sets to juicers lol But yeah it should def be flipped.
Personally in response to your question it's way easier to pvp in norms than HR. I feel like it takes too long to clear rooms in HR compared to norms where you can pretty much just out kite everything if you wanted to since they don't move freakishly fast and hit as hard; essentially getting into actual pvp content faster. I don't think there's an easy fix to this unless they just want to cuck F2Ps by limiting gear in norms. But even then that kinda sucks for the pvp players since they have to PvE to actually get anywhere again. Imo they have to reduce the amount of nightmare mobs in HR, allow F2Ps into HR, and there should be a gear score requirement rather than paying gold. Only then can they limit norms to blues. I feel like that creates a lot more healthier learning environment for new players while also creating a healthy progression into more geared PvP while not cucking the F2Ps.
There's still incentive to buy the game cause having only 1 char slot and not being able to access marketplace to sell stuff sucks, esp if you're losing a lot of kits. And if you enjoy the game, all the more reason to. Honestly why make the game F2P if they're going to lock away portions of the game from them behind a P2P wall; that just looks scummy and pushes people away. They should just keep P2P as a QoL service and a way to support the devs. And if they really wanna milk the F2Ps, just take a page from Riot.
If they make the QoL a subscription fee though I'm rioting.
MOST players are playing under 25 gear score. Id say its about 70% or more. The lobbies que IMMEDIATELY and i saw some poles asking what people play most.
Miss your intro with the trees and the fire
"how are new players surviving"
I'll tell ya. I sell every single bit of gear I get. Doesnt matter what it is, it all gets turned into gold. I then put on a base kit, and head into a sub 25 lobby. I then get quest materials and pray to god it unlocks more base gear. I head in and get my shit rocked which further reaffirms I'm absolutely NOT buying a kit just to throw it all away. Ergo I'm perpetually stuck at sub 25 gearscore, and even though I've purchased the game, I will not be able to enjoy the full experience because I'll just get my shit pushed in by some jackass with 10x gearscore than I. Therefore im in a cycle:
-Do a run
-sell everything
-full inv of coin pouches
-buy materials for gold coin bag
-repeat
-"why am I even doing this?"
-log off and play something more rewarding
As cringe as this sounds, you've gotta just try to git gud. I recommend buying GREENS and focusing on the rolls to stay in
@@MayonnaiseSyrup Yeah. the problem is since this game is so unforgiving, and the people in it are such a degree of skill level above my own I dont really learn anything from a fight. I push, I die, I stay back, I die, I try to mix and match, I die, I try to use some tech, I die. Not to mention I like to play with my friends, but they fuckin SUCK at this game, like even harder than I do. So getting into team fights when I cant even 1v1... a 1v1 I can at least learn the slightest bit from, maybe if I did 500 hrs of solos I'd eventually git gud, but getting outnumbered and pushed, nah, theres nothing to be learned there except womp womp, shoulda had better friends.
@@TheVodkaSniper Sorry to necro, i just saw this. Real talk play like a rat. Fair fights dont work for you? That's cuz there isn't a fair fight in the game. Try ranger traps and spear mast. Try landmining. Try playing slow and careful with a felling axe barbarian. Play high burst classes built for surprise attacks and find some little ledge of success. Then use those gains to try and improve and play a way you enjoy the fullest
in high roll, low geared people try to stealthily kill an geared, in noramls it's the other way around, so in everyone extraction fps. well, pve is weaker, normal people come in to play(pvp), not to farm
omg the dark messiah cut
kick simulator XD
People are so used to traps being poor quality they just wait the timers out, buying high quality traps makes a huge difference
I’m a new player and I can tell you I don’t survive. I’m mostly focusing on pve atm. Wanna learn to fight ever mob and take no damage before I even pvp. I try and defend myself but most of the time it does not work out. Slayer fighter here.
Dark and darker is a hardcore game, the player count hasn’t dropped so I assume most people are fine with the way it is.
Could be!
I’ve got the opposite issue, I’m wanderer and I’m going against juiced exemplars
5:06 you are not bad only the shitty movement should be completely removed so players cant move like its RUST
13:20 For me my 5th item from goblin merchant was UNIQUE so I sold it to marketplace for few hundred gold. Price could be over 1k, but I dont really care about the gold in this game since there are wipes.
I was trying to do quests in under 25 gear score for goby merchant and I found the same 150+ level meta cleric constantly wiping the dungeon.
I am now trying to do cyclops (pain)
There’s tiers to the gear score for one. And two I fucking hate fighting these mobs in just here to pvp.
A lot of the geared players in normals are buying gold and then buy BIS kits.
Almost every one of those players were Real Money Traders guarantee it, they just 700GS roll Timmy lobbies all day. People in the discord literally post group invites for rolling norms in max BIS. I run into full BIS players with no concept of the game because all they do is gear gap W key people and cant fathom a player with decent mechanics. Doesn't even feel that great to take their shit because they swipe mom's credit card for 10 dollars and some random farmer sends them 40k gold. People who have no integrity can have more gold instantly for 20 dollars then 50% of players make in a wipe.
A lot of common gear weapons and things sell for like 100g
its bcs in hr you get ppl who just want to farm ap for demigod or loot blues in normals high tier you get full lobby of ppl with gs of yours
I dont think its that big of a promblem but i do get your gripes, you go into hr geared expecting to dight geared players but its either a dead lobby or there is no one geared i think a way to fix would be gear based matched making but that could also just make even more dead lobbys.
Loved the gobby gambles!
It was great! Maybe next time 10k 🤣
I've already killed several kitted players, including one rogue with a full legend set. It amazes me how unskilled these players were. Just mind boggling how they manage to get these kits? They pay for it or something?
I had a ring of quickness epic from the goblin action speed phys power and true phys sold 7k for 80 gold thats some profit I would say
Thousands of new players are playing the game off of steam and other platforms The F2p only lets you play normals im sure if everyone could go Highroller there would be way more balanced gear between everyone
they just added a new gs bracket, under 125, as a new player thats where i find the money
ngl they should just slightly buff the HR loot and make it free or super buff the loot to make it worth playing
are you watching this Blake?
Who’s Blake?
@@thelorr your biggest fan. he religiously watches your videos and switched from slayer to ranger when you did.
Its also the face that every Free to Play is in Normals, and they can only spend their gold on the ah to get good gear
100% Thats why me and my friends have been running nothing but norms GC, even with our 5k kits. Personally i Like running into other geared ppl.
Same. I guess that’s why I was frustrated.. because I run GC HR and run into nobody geared 🤣
danm you played well
I think that norms should be locked to blues idk if that would fix everything but it might help
As a new player it suck to play normal because my gear is so bad that pvp encounter I dead in one shot to the other players like I want to do pvp but can’t
They need to incentivize HR more
8:12 They don't 😂
Easy fix, give HR to free to play players and go back to the old system where you can’t bring gear into normals. Give the pay to play players a cosmetic item or some crap
Well the new players did ask for access to gear and now they got it at the expense of OP gear players xD
norms should have a gear limit of 300 so people who want to run bis have to go to hr
Me and my duo killed two rouges in norms and I swear both their kits were worth 30k. Very unhealthy for the game.
Seeing this as a newish Timmy its looking like I have to pay gold to get into a lobby of non-sweats.
Pretty much! Every HR I played today had people no where NEAR as geared as the people in norms in this video. o7 brother
@@thelorr o7
I think there shouldnt be that many nightmares in hr
I LOVE GAMBLING AND RUNNING BIS IN NORMALS I'M A FREAK!!!
when can we see some bard gameplay? (i know you can see this man!)
After I master rogue o7 my brother
Not a fan of the negative attitude and shit talking in this one! It’s not fun to watch
Sweaty players taking advantage of f2p players where normals are our only lobby and with access to market thats the only place we can bring our gear, and we cant even sell the kits we loot, or make back what we lose.
Yeah that's kinda crazy, I've wondered so much. Im like 50h into and after few extraktions ive learnd some, watched some guides, found some blue weapons green geer was about 130 GS and every lobby were like in vid. Im like lame at pvp, this system is kinda disappointing... Cant learn shit, i need to go under 24 to play with my level guys
plenty of timmy's in the 25-124 range too, you can only learn so much by playing with babies in grey lobbies. it's great for learning the basics but you'll want to move up to fight more experienced people more consistently
@@Borkomora im getting constantly one-two shoted that's why I thought its better to play low GS
@@soft1k325 i mean honestly if you're playing one of the squishy classes, that's pretty normal. Even as a fighter with good PDR, it won't take a barbarian more than 4-6 hits to kill ya
if i wanna pvp i just go normal lobbies too, why i gonna risk getting ganked by rogues or archers in HR ? if i wanna move have a million hard mobs to fuck me, in normal games the mobs die in 1/2 taps and i can focus on pvp
RMT is pretty bad this season, me and my friends have seen a lot of very "geared" players with no synergy to their kits or 0 skills to make sense of it. Thats probably in part whats happening here too.
I’ve experienced similar. I fought people where there’s no way they should be having that kind of gear unless their friends gifted them some stuff which I can see happening, or like you said real money trade.
@@thelorr the one example that sticks out most for me was a full legendary gear warlock with like 0 mag healing. Like ever single piece of his kit was legendary for no reason lmao
Thanks thelorr
These dudes would lose their kits to the more experienced high roller players so they'd rather shamelessly stat check newer and less geared players
Ranger does take much skill kite an shoot 40 arrows till they low
I've been going hr this whole wipe and i was feeling like why do i kill 0 geared players and then randomly one juiced team comes and i die cause its a rogue or something, now I see where I can get my cleric juice
can people with free to play accounts use the trading post? maybe its just a bunch of new players all RMTing for their gear thats why they all suck but have nice stuff lol? it is strange tho.
for me high roller is jsut not fun, tons of high HP mobs that does way too much dmg and the biggest problem is they dont even drop anything worth your time. id rather just go for pvp and 1 shot the trash mobs
the 124GS is BS, when i play bard whit a simple green rapier i see people whit 220 gc and more and i dont know why, it seems like sometimes the 124gs cap works and sometimes not
That’s certainly weird
either you are lying or just super lucky everytime i go HR its the chadest people around
Pathfinder and below should not Match with with any higher rank they gotta fix that shiiiii
Yeah no joke it's full of geared people in normals, it suck CHEEKS not being able to loot and some stupid rogue 3rd stealing the loot