I got run down to my left speed by jungle surtr about 1 minutw in lol. He actually just walks into you and you can either run away or die. 2 options once your full kit is up he can be outplayed though. Dudes a brick.
Can he? Hes starting to become my main in solo and support. Early game hes stupidly good. Solo I focus attack speed, so Berserkers and Shoguns first if its not that bad a matchup. Then I'll get some attack, still havent figured which one I like more so the default is Soul Eater. Then the rest will be Stone of Binding and Abyssal. Does enough damage to make the other team worry while being tanky enough to just get in there when needed @@Jonbo117
I found Surtr to have the problem of late game once jungle or mid get there build online he gets steamrolled super hard and your forced into this weird hybrid support where you can’t soak too much so your only choice is to body block the opposite side of the support and 2 whoever is hitting you currently and pray your team can kill the squishy fast
Range problems I think. Poseidon,raijin,and Morgan don't need to get too close and ravana does. If ravana gets in close then yeah,it's done deal but playing safe against ravana isn't hard either.
@Ro-fw3lc maybe it's just specifically ravana against poseidon cuz that's what I've been doing and just immuning his kraken with the 2 or ult Morgan Le Fey isn't that hard either since she has no mobility and I can ult on her on cooldown or dodge the fear/knockbacks Raijin is the only one I have some trouble on since he has his teleport
@user-yx7op1mt8c warriors aren't any real threat to mages in lane,they have range and damage combined with bloated stats(hp,prots,etc) Plus warriors can't build damage without sacrificing survivability(which they barely have lategame) and their damage quickly falls off as percent pen items come into effect. Warrior base damage is also incredibly lacking for late game fights where mage solos are still pretty threatening. To put it simply,mages have the versatility and luxury to build damage AND defense without losing much if anything.
I would say its blue stone for surtr. Blue stone with ember walk and giant's grasp will help you clear the wave very very fast, sometimes before the mage does (not necesseraly the top 3 mages). Also the flames of muspell with blue stone will apply insane prok, but its more like a fun factor. Also surturs passive allows him to start without prot, you can survive those early mage powerhouses by picking up 3 flashes with ember walk. But you can tell me the disadvantages if you dont agree...
While I agree bluestone is better for clear, Axe is definitely better for the long game. The added protections really help and having magic damage is just a plus. Get enough attack speed and you'll be a force to be reckoned with. If your team doesn't sell that is
Red stone is better on Surtr the axe upgrade is better for lane fighting, but red stone makes you way tankier as well as it’s easily procd by casting his 3
@@robertmarosi2372 no one is building that over redstone. They bloated the hell out of that item and bluestone is better than default axe cause warriors need it to farm.
I’m telling you Nike gets no love, she’s been the highest win rate warrior almost all season and never gets talked about or even mentioned. She does great damage, has great survivability, a lot of CC, great diver, great tank, etc. to not be mentioned is super criminal!
Nike is bad, the reason she has a high winrate is because of her passive. She's always been one of the highest winrate gods ever since she came out but her stats in game are bad. It's the reason they nerfed the shit out of her passive years ago to try and better balance her Nike has a good win rate but that's only because her passive helps whoever is carrying her win the game
@@pineapplekun8769 Nike has good passive, therefore Nike is bad? That’s not a sound argument. I would agree with you if you said Nike has 2 channeled abilities, therefore 2 of her abilities can be canceled which is bad.
@@pineapplekun8769L take and makes no sense she's bad because something is good? nice bait buddy but Nike is the best warrior and has been for a while besides swk and the numbers prove it. if you're saying her passive let's whoever is carrying carry harder why doesn't disco or other gods with heavy buffs not have high win rates for literal years straight?
I feel like Chaac is sooo underrated right now. You max his 2 early on and you have 100 extra prots at 5 min into the game. His passive interacts perfectly with Bao, so you can have his 2 on a 5s cd. When I see a Poseidon Solo I automatically grab Chaac and run him down, it's an easy lane. Just go bluestone, bao, max his 4 and put 2 points into the 3 then max the 1 and It's an easy game. Another good Warrior is Mulan, she has so much dmg in the early game and if you can consistently hit her 3 it's also an easy win in lane against these mages, the problem I have with her is her dive and and the fact that her escape is not that good.
He doesn't have anything besides big circle and big numbies, so he's trash. The moment they give his 2 the same effect as Set's sandstorm, then he may become good.
I can't fucking wait until these mages are out of solo. Even playing wukong against them isn't fun with the dive. They heal every poke so fast, it's not even worth playing up at all.
I think mage solo won't die for awhile unless hi rez just decides to absolutely kill blood soaked. it's the only item letting them do the things they're doing because someone like Ah puch just ults a wave in a team fight and hits 5 enemies most likely plus and entire wave of 6 people, also has life steal so he just healed 50% of his hp as a mini tank
@@imgonnacream what I think they should do is nerf magical life steal so it's more on par with physical life steal. Nerf life steal on items by 2-3% across the board. With the ammlunt of power mages have, they heal too much, even through anti-heal.
@@M3ntalVib3z i think the lifesteal items are fine right now, soul gem, magus and pythags are pretty bad. typhon is amazing bancroft is pretty decent but blood soaked is so good, they need to add a cap to how much you can heal per ability or decrease it so very few gods are good with it so every mage isnt more viable in solo than all but 2 warriors
Hades is a lane bully, against mages he can’t bully as hard and needs to be close range to do his damage. Against warriors hades is till good but against mages is just kinda eh
@@Blazerage717not really. never been ganked playing ah puch, you should always have ult up for getting a kill or running away, as well as having some bodies laying around to eat
First people complained when warriors did too much damage from defencive procing items explosin sigil, mystical mail, glad zhield and sunder axe manticore spikes-> poof nerf. Then new items nerfed stone of binfing and druid stone then later on runeforge and prydwen. After that you had best build to fell inkillable midigation build, sigil spirit robe and oni guatd with ocasionaly berserk shoeld, you did minial base damage but you really could 1vs5 as an actuall warrior should be and be unkillable doing your job as tank, but NO another huge uneccessary nerf was done So when you remove hybrid items, nerf overall defence items and their proc dmg, and nerf the f out midigations you left with Mage meta solo.
@@Weak3n just because a god got buffed doesn’t mean they go from worst god in the game to best warrior in the game. He was alright before the buff. Nowhere near worst god in the game. You probably either inted on Surtr in a game and blamed the god or had a teammate int on him so he just has to be the worst in the game, right?
No shot you are putting Surtr in a top 5 video, character is unplayable into 90% of mage solos (only decent matchup is into MLF, and not because of the kit but because 90% of MLF players don't know how to actually play the game). Slightest jg diff early makes him completely irrelevant mid game since he needs 3 items to function, and without being ahead on curve he can't effectively "trade damage from cooldowns" like you said. While having capped prots late is cool (you can actually go 400+/400+ with corrupted bluestone and blue 3k pot) and being able to solo a splitpushing adc (IF he doesn't kite you correctly) is also cool, this happens 1/50 games and most of the time you are just a punching bag for the enemy damage dealers. P.S. What you said about getting away from Surtr is complete propaganda: his 3 is a 15% slow, AND it gives no slow immunity so ANY relevant slow in the game completely destroys the movement speed differential he is creating, and thus his ability to run people down.
9:55 I like going atk speed sutra with qins and arch druid procing every so often
Glad to see Surtr getting some recognition. He feels like the strongest early game god atm.
I got run down to my left speed by jungle surtr about 1 minutw in lol. He actually just walks into you and you can either run away or die. 2 options once your full kit is up he can be outplayed though. Dudes a brick.
Can he? Hes starting to become my main in solo and support. Early game hes stupidly good. Solo I focus attack speed, so Berserkers and Shoguns first if its not that bad a matchup. Then I'll get some attack, still havent figured which one I like more so the default is Soul Eater. Then the rest will be Stone of Binding and Abyssal. Does enough damage to make the other team worry while being tanky enough to just get in there when needed @@Jonbo117
I found Surtr to have the problem of late game once jungle or mid get there build online he gets steamrolled super hard and your forced into this weird hybrid support where you can’t soak too much so your only choice is to body block the opposite side of the support and 2 whoever is hitting you currently and pray your team can kill the squishy fast
Are you planning on updating smite source with these builds?
surtr > ah puch is CRAZY
In this mage solo meta, im surprised no one have picked up on trying Ravana solo to counter these picks. Hes still very good
Range problems I think. Poseidon,raijin,and Morgan don't need to get too close and ravana does. If ravana gets in close then yeah,it's done deal but playing safe against ravana isn't hard either.
@Ro-fw3lc maybe it's just specifically ravana against poseidon cuz that's what I've been doing and just immuning his kraken with the 2 or ult
Morgan Le Fey isn't that hard either since she has no mobility and I can ult on her on cooldown or dodge the fear/knockbacks
Raijin is the only one I have some trouble on since he has his teleport
just got back into smite from surtr release and how did smite end up being in a mage solo meta?
@user-yx7op1mt8c warriors aren't any real threat to mages in lane,they have range and damage combined with bloated stats(hp,prots,etc)
Plus warriors can't build damage without sacrificing survivability(which they barely have lategame) and their damage quickly falls off as percent pen items come into effect.
Warrior base damage is also incredibly lacking for late game fights where mage solos are still pretty threatening.
To put it simply,mages have the versatility and luxury to build damage AND defense without losing much if anything.
You said it perfectly. I MUCH prefer and value another solid frontliner who can dive than yet another backliner that's a bit more tanky.
I would say its blue stone for surtr.
Blue stone with ember walk and giant's grasp will help you clear the wave very very fast, sometimes before the mage does (not necesseraly the top 3 mages). Also the flames of muspell with blue stone will apply insane prok, but its more like a fun factor.
Also surturs passive allows him to start without prot, you can survive those early mage powerhouses by picking up 3 flashes with ember walk. But you can tell me the disadvantages if you dont agree...
While I agree bluestone is better for clear, Axe is definitely better for the long game. The added protections really help and having magic damage is just a plus. Get enough attack speed and you'll be a force to be reckoned with. If your team doesn't sell that is
Red stone is better on Surtr the axe upgrade is better for lane fighting, but red stone makes you way tankier as well as it’s easily procd by casting his 3
@@Pavise1 after the latest patch, its literally trolling to not build axe with a very few exceptions
@@robertmarosi2372 no one is building that over redstone. They bloated the hell out of that item and bluestone is better than default axe cause warriors need it to farm.
What’s the best build for mid? Is this it minus the breast plate and minus the genji.. more healing items…
I’m telling you Nike gets no love, she’s been the highest win rate warrior almost all season and never gets talked about or even mentioned. She does great damage, has great survivability, a lot of CC, great diver, great tank, etc. to not be mentioned is super criminal!
Nike really dies get consistantly underrated. She can even feel great as a solo tank support in the mage solo meta
Yeah gotta agree, the numbers don’t lie
Nike is bad, the reason she has a high winrate is because of her passive. She's always been one of the highest winrate gods ever since she came out but her stats in game are bad. It's the reason they nerfed the shit out of her passive years ago to try and better balance her
Nike has a good win rate but that's only because her passive helps whoever is carrying her win the game
@@pineapplekun8769 Nike has good passive, therefore Nike is bad? That’s not a sound argument. I would agree with you if you said Nike has 2 channeled abilities, therefore 2 of her abilities can be canceled which is bad.
@@pineapplekun8769L take and makes no sense she's bad because something is good? nice bait buddy but Nike is the best warrior and has been for a while besides swk and the numbers prove it. if you're saying her passive let's whoever is carrying carry harder why doesn't disco or other gods with heavy buffs not have high win rates for literal years straight?
I feel like Chaac is sooo underrated right now.
You max his 2 early on and you have 100 extra prots at 5 min into the game. His passive interacts perfectly with Bao, so you can have his 2 on a 5s cd.
When I see a Poseidon Solo I automatically grab Chaac and run him down, it's an easy lane. Just go bluestone, bao, max his 4 and put 2 points into the 3 then max the 1 and It's an easy game.
Another good Warrior is Mulan, she has so much dmg in the early game and if you can consistently hit her 3 it's also an easy win in lane against these mages, the problem I have with her is her dive and and the fact that her escape is not that good.
He doesn't have anything besides big circle and big numbies, so he's trash.
The moment they give his 2 the same effect as Set's sandstorm, then he may become good.
I would go binding on the last spot for surtr
does MLF use the same build as raijin as well
I can't fucking wait until these mages are out of solo. Even playing wukong against them isn't fun with the dive. They heal every poke so fast, it's not even worth playing up at all.
I think mage solo won't die for awhile unless hi rez just decides to absolutely kill blood soaked. it's the only item letting them do the things they're doing because someone like Ah puch just ults a wave in a team fight and hits 5 enemies most likely plus and entire wave of 6 people, also has life steal so he just healed 50% of his hp as a mini tank
@@imgonnacream what I think they should do is nerf magical life steal so it's more on par with physical life steal. Nerf life steal on items by 2-3% across the board. With the ammlunt of power mages have, they heal too much, even through anti-heal.
@@M3ntalVib3z i think the lifesteal items are fine right now, soul gem, magus and pythags are pretty bad. typhon is amazing bancroft is pretty decent but blood soaked is so good, they need to add a cap to how much you can heal per ability or decrease it so very few gods are good with it so every mage isnt more viable in solo than all but 2 warriors
Thank you so much for these guides!!! 🙏 I am 4-1 in joust with Chernobog 2.05 kd ratio ayyy
Isn't' shoguns instead of genjis better for pos?
yes
Yo, is weak3n still doing coaching?
As for the Mage Solos. Any reason Ah Puch isn’t top 3? That god’s kit feels so overwhelming in the solo lane with the hybrid/ Lifesteal build
Yeah Au Puch owns the solo. His abilities cover the whole fn lane.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but why isn't hades on the list? Not even an honorable mention?
Hades is a lane bully, against mages he can’t bully as hard and needs to be close range to do his damage. Against warriors hades is till good but against mages is just kinda eh
I've been telling people sekhmets surtr is really strong but no one ever listens
Ap not being on this list is criminal
He loves mlf for no reason ap slaps her in solo she barely gets picked in spl while ap gets banned like every game
Ap does body mlf and all other mage solos, but he’s also a free gank. Bit of a trade off.
@@Blazerage717not really. never been ganked playing ah puch, you should always have ult up for getting a kill or running away, as well as having some bodies laying around to eat
'Never been ganked' while playing in silver matches and averaging a .5 kda 🤣
@@xplodingsushi3261 talking about spl picks and comparing them to what average players should be picking is braindead.
this hybrid build can be used on ao kuang?
Ao used to have his own hybrid build but he really is just better in king rn. His clear is not what it needs to be for landing phase this meta
Better in jung*
where is sobek guy
Surtr love is always appreciated
i suck at smite but i got top damage on poseidon yesterday, whereas before i was playing thoth and couldnt hit s**t, pos is so easy to play
First people complained when warriors did too much damage from defencive procing items explosin sigil, mystical mail, glad zhield and sunder axe manticore spikes-> poof nerf.
Then new items nerfed stone of binfing and druid stone then later on runeforge and prydwen.
After that you had best build to fell inkillable midigation build, sigil spirit robe and oni guatd with ocasionaly berserk shoeld, you did minial base damage but you really could 1vs5 as an actuall warrior should be and be unkillable doing your job as tank, but NO another huge uneccessary nerf was done
So when you remove hybrid items, nerf overall defence items and their proc dmg, and nerf the f out midigations you left with Mage meta solo.
Ever since he started these vids they are all ive been fighting
Weak3n: "Kumba Jungle is meta. Most broken thing ever"
*Everyone starts playing Kumba jungle*
@@cybzer0560 ikr lol
You putting that work in my guy
mlf over puch?
We need a top five for gold lobbies
Gotta love the fact that 3/5 on this list are mages. And people still bitch about tanks when they're absolute shit this season.
W Weak3n aka Weak3n.
I’ve been running hades into these mages and it’s hard for them to play the game
I feel like tyr is probably the best warrior in my opinion but im a low elo scrub
Surtr with berserkers, shoguns and qins. Rest can be tank
W arena build
Sacrificial instead of blood sokken richt
Wow ive been basically using this wukong build minus 1 item
Pretty easy build
Been using that build with glads instead of breastplate
No Nike? Have not lost and range can't much fight someone until they almost kill u then ultimate and win
Posiden doesn’t have the same build as other mages rn. It’s pretty much the same but it’s not
Basically go shogun’s over genji’s
Depends on the game, demonic can be strong in the last slot, if you’re built like that
@@Blazerage717 different starter
No ah puch?
Surtr w 80 stack does like 1/3 hp of a adc with his 1 xD
If im solo and going against a mage i go dmg first item to help me clear and kill the mage. Late game if i need something else i change it
Imma just keep playing guan yu solo even if hes not the best
Day fifteen of asking for heimdallr ability video
Day 355 out of 365 days for Solo Lane Mercury Vid :)
Cannot wait for the cope
He was hating on Surtr so hard not too long ago saying he was bottom 3 champs. Now he is top 4 in solo lane? lol
He got buffed and warriors got buffed in the patch 2 weeks ago...... Just pay attention to patch notes before commenting.
@@Weak3n just because a god got buffed doesn’t mean they go from worst god in the game to best warrior in the game. He was alright before the buff. Nowhere near worst god in the game. You probably either inted on Surtr in a game and blamed the god or had a teammate int on him so he just has to be the worst in the game, right?
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U HATE playing vs puch thats why u didnt put him there
Hi
No shot you are putting Surtr in a top 5 video, character is unplayable into 90% of mage solos (only decent matchup is into MLF, and not because of the kit but because 90% of MLF players don't know how to actually play the game). Slightest jg diff early makes him completely irrelevant mid game since he needs 3 items to function, and without being ahead on curve he can't effectively "trade damage from cooldowns" like you said. While having capped prots late is cool (you can actually go 400+/400+ with corrupted bluestone and blue 3k pot) and being able to solo a splitpushing adc (IF he doesn't kite you correctly) is also cool, this happens 1/50 games and most of the time you are just a punching bag for the enemy damage dealers.
P.S. What you said about getting away from Surtr is complete propaganda: his 3 is a 15% slow, AND it gives no slow immunity so ANY relevant slow in the game completely destroys the movement speed differential he is creating, and thus his ability to run people down.
Puch is better than posiden.