VTR No. 15: Deadheading the Middle Fork of the Salmon River at 1.65 Feet
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2021
- A deadhead permit allows boaters to float their boats from Boundary Creek to Indian Creek (25 miles) the day before their permitted launch. This requires a special deadhead permit that can be obtained from the Forest Service.
On this Middle Fork of the Salmon deadhead Zach is rowing a lightly loaded 15' NRS raft.
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A real treat to watch. I did about 20 deadheads from Dagger and then Boundary, but it has been a while. They were really fun days. Thanks for the trip down memory lane😊
That was really fascinating to watch. I really appreciate the commentary as it gave me a lot of new things to think about running my own rivers. Thanks for these videos! Also looks like a gorgeous place.
Your videos are awesome and the shows are friday are better than mediocre. Both you and Aaron have great personalities which make the show really fun to watch.
Coming back and rewatching this, and I did notice you take Velvet Falls seriously, as you stowed your coffee cup from next to your oar right!! Great video, fun to watch.
Appreciate seeing boats of different sizes make the same runs and your commentary. Gonna practice 'spin to win' on Brown's Canyon this weekend in my 18 footer.
I've been doing the spin to win for years, just didn't know it, haha. Going to use that next time I go with the guys, I'll tell them I made it up haha
Great video and awesome dog..he’s a great surfer
Your dog did real good for its first trip.
this water level reminds me of a river in New Zealand....but we ran it in paddle rafts, lots of people on board, no luggage at all. soft rocks.
Love the dog great video thnx
Do it most October love the narrow moves. Pistol aways great.
Enjoyed your commentary. Used to work the MF. Done a couple of deadheads at 1.3. Great fun.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hello Zach -
I just stumbled across this video. Great to see it. I was rowing the yellow cat with WRO. Nice to meet you and the Northwest Rafting Company team. I will be trying to connect with Dan when he get back East later in the year for some fall boating here. Thanks for dinner at Indian Creek.
David Hopkins from Virginia
It was great to meet you too!
It’s a great trip in self container kayak. Hardly anybody around, have the whole top to yourself, great camping. Have done it a couple times at
I love watching all your videos Zach !!they really well made and just fun to watch. I’m starting my first river guiding season ever this year in Colorado bud your videos have helped me a lot. I’m no stranger to the river but I am to guiding a raft and guests. I’ve kayaked / duckies and packrafts.grew up in the ocean 🌊. The river is a different beast .
Great videos !
Thanks!
I'll be sticking to spring flows when you can enjoy the hot springs properly. Great edit!
Well done. Thanks for taking the time to put the video together. W
Great video on real world low water conditions. Good tips on: 1)oar shipping, 2) boat spinning of rocks and 3) go slow to go fast. Thanks
Really cool video , the audio was great., narration almost calming. Would love to see something similar in high water when you can. Thank you
Noted!
@@GearGarageTV Yeah I was thinking the same thing, would be super fun to see the same section but at the higher flows. It's crazy that you mentioned one rapid was the most dangerous on the river at high flows, but at low flows it was pretty much nothing
Excellent video. Thank you.
Awesome video!
Hey Zach wanted to just send a thanks for these vids. We just did a 4 day trip down the grande ronde which was around 400-450cfs. We definitely had the same sort of issues of having to run the river that was very low water and shallow. We definitely used a lot of your techniques: spin to win, rocking the boat, low boat pressure. I think having watched this first gave me a lot of ideas on setting up, etc. So thanks appreciate the content!
I'm so stoked to hear those techniques helped you!
@@GearGarageTV We both loved the challenge of it, and have been talking about learning to row in class III and IVs now! Would be fun to come down and take your 5 day course.
Outstanding boating!
I’m not sure about your rowing, I’m not an expert. But Incan tell for sure that that’s a most excellent dog.
when paddle rafting in new zealand i had to invent a method of going over rocks that i call "bouncing". i'd call out, 'bounce right" and everyone on the right side would bounce and
paddle at the same time. the raft wouldn't even slow down.
I'll have to try that some time!
Great video! Thanks. It has me rethinking if we should be rafting (we have the option to all be in self-support packrafts). We love technical boating...but the risk of breaking stuff and having to pay for it out of pocket seems not worth it. You guys are on company gear and getting paid to do this, right? Additionally, I am fairly short - only 5'3", and I just went out and checked and I can't ship both of my oars like you do. My arms are literally not long enough and we can't configure the towers/oars/angles to make it so. It seems like a bad idea...though I love the idea of it. So torn! How long are your oars? Thank you again! Much appreciated.
Both of my ears enjoyed this video
Thank you so much for pointing that out! I changed a setting that will keep future videos from having that problem.
@@GearGarageTV jokes aside, I love the little ASMR walkthrough of top-tier rowing tips
Good job Pippen.
Fantastic video! Now I'm really trying to figure out how we could run Dagger to Indian in our 9 and 10' Buck's Bags pontoons and fly back out. We did a late season guided trip at 2.2' several years ago and the first third of the trip looked perfect for our little boats. Pistol would be tough. Lot's of logistics to figure out.
We have different names for those rapids at low water.
Best low water MF video out there by far, thanks. Pulled a permit for the 11th, supposed to rain tomorrow which hopefully gives a bump. Gonna float all the way through the Main and don't want to fly on gear. Splitting up gear between two boats for three people, one in a packraft. We pack way lighter than most rafters, how crazy should we get though? Coolers, boxes, etc? Ran it last year at 2.1 and it was very simple. We do a lot of low water boating, just don't want to be miserable if we bring too much gear
It’s really hard to give you advice without knowing you and having so little information. My best advice would be to fly some gear into Indian if you want to avoid getting stuck a bunch above there.
Thanks for the reply. I figured you wouldn't be able to say much. Well see what happens with rain over the next few days. I think if it's anything over 1.5 well give it a shot. I fully expect to get stuck, I just don't want to drag over everything if the lines get too shallow. We have a wide 14' and a wide 11' boat so we'll see.
BeardyyyRapeyMen arriving every day on a Dinghy
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Zach thank you so much for all the information you make available to the rafting community! My group won a MFS permit on August 6th, we're so excited! I run a 16' gear boat (family rig), with 11' oars. Should I buy a 10' set of oars for the first few days of the trip then switch up to my larger oars? Thank you for the advice!
That's not what I would do. We run 11' oars at all levels and it's just fine. The key is learning how to properly ship your oars and practicing before your trip. Congrats on the permit!
If you were in an inflatable kayak would you also soften up the tubes?
Probably not
Great commentary and video showing the low flow MF - if you ever need another body to deadhead a boat down, let me know!
Cool video. Definitely lots to think about when on the water, especially for a noob like me. Do you ever come across bears or big cats along the shore?
Yes bears. No cats.
@@GearGarageTV right on😎
Zach do you go to a different oar length on these low water trips? Or stay with the length you always use?
Sometimes we go a little shorter if we have shorter oars but generally we use the same oars
How “soft” are you running the boat? I run a 14ft with drop stitch floor and wondering what you would recommend for rocky sections.
We like to run our boats pretty soft based on how low the water is and how low the water is. Unfortunately there is no measure of softness that I can use to give you an amount of softness to have in your tubes.
Would you run cat tubes softer in low water too, or do you only use that technique for rafts? Specifically 16ft Lions.
Yes but if your frame is low you may smash it into rocks if your cat tubes are too soft
Thank you! Really enjoyed the video!
Do people ever break out the old bucket boats for these types of trips because they tend to ride higher in the water than a self bailer?
I’m not sure. There aren’t many self bailers around so my guess is no.