Nice horns. I'm from the US so it's weird seeing P3's, P5's, RS3L's, and RS5T's on foreign trains. I wish there were also some RS3K's in Australia too. That horn was for Canadian railroads but the American Burlington Northern Railroad used that horn too.
After some research, I have found out that the 'Alstom 2-tone' horns on the X'Trapolis trains are actually made by MATEXON, a French company that was based in Paris. There are two variants of horns on the X'Trapolis (Note I am not referring to the new town horn Kockum Sonics, but rather the original set of horns installed from factory). Most of the X'Trapolis', bar the latest few orders, were delivered with MATEXON horns. When these horns became unavailable, Sonabel (by MATEXON) horns were fitted. Note that these two horns were most likely made by the Den Haan Rotterdam (DHR) company, as MATEXON went bankrupt in the 1990s, and DHR bought out their production assets. Sonically, these two horns variants sound identical because the internal structure is unchanged. The only difference is the power chambers have a more bulbous and rounder exterior surface on the Sonabel variant, whereas the MATEXON has a shallow surface with several mounting tabs where back-cap screws thread into. Neither of these horns is made anymore, but the DHR company continues to produce the old Sonabel lineup, and offers these horns under a slightly revised design model 'DHR H200 Series' on their website.
Great explanation. One thing I’ve noticed after doing more research, following our previous discussion on the other video is that after reading a few different documents about the Matexon, or rather Moflash AP series horns is that one of the earlier discontinued variants has a frequency of 387Hz (AP360M), which isn’t available in the DHR 200 series. It appears that the 387Hz was superseded by the newer DHR 210 which has a frequency of 377Hz. From what I could see, the horn lengths are identical on both old and new horns but the diameter of the bell opening on the larger side is bigger on the DHR 200 series. All the AP series horns had the same sized opening which was 127mm according to documentation I was able to find online. Bit of a shame that you can’t get the original AP series gear anymore. You probably could just about replicate the original sound of the earlier X’Trap’s with the DHR 210 and 220 combined, but I dare say it’d be noticeably different. What a bummer.
and also there's no way the CSRs wear replica KS1s and KS2s, they are K horns as I've zoomed into them a lot with my camera but they aren't 1 and 2 I don't reckon
@@buzzytrains9037 I beg to differ. I’ve seen the horns in person atop the roof and they do not have Nathan marking on them. They have a hearing warning sticker on the neck of the bell and it is in Chinese. There is a foundry in China that casts these K horn replicas. I believe it is DZB Investment Castings.
Legendary compilation Tazzie! Its great hearing all these horns and i cant imagine how long it would have taken to edit 😂 Keep up the fantastic work mate!
That "Fouled P5" is actually an Old Cast P5. P5s were made with 2 different castings, an old one and a new one. The new one is a lot more common, but the Old Cast is also still around so thats what those "fouled" ones actually are
I believe it is a new cast P5 with a fouled P#2 bell. Old casts are practically non existent in Australia apart from a small batch of NSW locomotives delivered in the 1960's. Some new cast P5's are known to sound different based on which foundry they were cast in.
@@PRG902 That locomotive has the P5 mounted upside down in a roof cavity up front so the sound might be slightly muffled, especially from the higher pitch chimes. Could be a fouled bell too. 2:38 is a K5LL-WOB; same bells as K5HL, but mounted on a custom ultra-low profile manifold.
@@MP-ph6ob These locos entered service in the mid to late 1980’s. They were originally delivered with RS5T’s but a few had new P5’s fitted later on after accident damage. Only a very small handful of oldcast P5’s existed here in the 1960’s.
The Nathan K5 variant used on the QR trains sound similar to a K5LLA. But after closer analysis, we realised one of the chimes was a different frequency to what a K5LLA has. The K5CA sounds similar, but again it is slightly different. This combination of frequencies has no designation from Nathan, thus we referred to it as ‘K5’ for generic purposes. They are plumbed on a custom low profile manifold that enables one horn to sound for 'town' usage, and all 5 chimes for 'country warning' similar to a K5UL-AU-LS. The Vlocity II, HCMT and QR NGR trains definitely use Kockum Sonics horns (MKT-75/311 & MKT-75/370 for Vlocity II & NGR) (MKT-75/370 & MKT-75/660 for HCMT). They have a thermoplastic ABS trumpet and have a distinctive sound. If you observe them up close, especially on the HCMT, you can see the bronze squared chamber which confirms it is a Kockum make. Many modern commuter trains introduced here are being fitted with Kockum warning products. Hyson Airchime was a British licensee to Nathan Airchime back in the 60’s and 70’s so I don’t think their product would end up on modern Australian rolling stock.
Actually the Wabco horn is a separate horn. The RS5T is the mainline warning horn whilst the Wabco is the 'town' horn used in populated areas to reduce noise pollution.
They have custom plumbing which enables a ‘town’ and ‘country’ horn. There will be 2 air inlets in the base. One inlet feeds only one horn whilst the other inlet feeds the remaining 4. When ‘town’ horn is activated, air flows through one inlet which is only plumbed to one horn. When country horn is activated, air flows through both inlets to sound all 5 chimes. The sound may be muffled purely due to the mounting position/coverings surrounding the horn.
1. Fouled bell and out of tune bell 2, 3, 4. One bell reversed and fouled bell This things fall out of tune soooooo easily, it’s surprising how horrible they are 😅
It may sound similar but it’s a custom mixture of Nathan Airchime bells that there isn’t really a model designation for, hence ‘K5’ is used as a general encompassing term. It also sounds similar to a K5LLA, but once again has one differing horn.
After closer analysis, you’re right. I believe the horns are K5LL-WOB. Same bells as the K5HL but supplied as bells only, for the train manufacturer to mount them. The one bell frequency that threw me off was probably malfunctioning and squealing to its first harmonic.
The difference lies in the power chambers. Leslie 'S' type chambers were made from 1951 - 1978 with several generations. They have a hemispherical dome on the back cap and are built with more material. The later 'RS' type chambers were made from 1978 onwards and have a flat back cap with a large spike protruding at the 6 o'clock position. Internally there are several differences. The S chamber horns produce a marginally deeper and smoother sound, whilst the RS variants are harsher, more aggressive, and have a distinctive 'chirp' at the start of each blow. Loudness wise they're about the same, but I've heard that a healthy S5T is slightly more powerful than an RS5T apparently.
GM10 has an RS3L. Look at the horn from the side. It has spike backs. Another giveaway is that it ‘chirps’ at the start of each blow, which is a distinctive feature of RS Leslies.
2:36 I never thought I’d hear Nathan K5HLs on any Australian locomotives
2:37 hey wait a minute this is reminding me of the BNSF locomotives here!
The multi chime whistles are nice, but i will always love the single chime "squeaky brakes" whistles most
All of the high-pitched horns and whistles win my heart. RVB 3 Chimes also win me over.
Wonderful exhaustive collection, thank you. Particularly love the steam whistles from 18:30.
An impressive compilation indeed! That horn salute at 14:49 is on another level though…
honestly just sounds like the driver having fun or entertaining people on the platform
2:43 sounds like a k5ca-ls
Nice horns. I'm from the US so it's weird seeing P3's, P5's, RS3L's, and RS5T's on foreign trains. I wish there were also some RS3K's in Australia too. That horn was for Canadian railroads but the American Burlington Northern Railroad used that horn too.
Conrail used RS3Ls and RS3Ks on there C40-8Ws and there SD40-2s
@@Eric_cartman123 what? A conrail RS3K? I didn't know Conrail had any of those .
After some research, I have found out that the 'Alstom 2-tone' horns on the X'Trapolis trains are actually made by MATEXON, a French company that was based in Paris. There are two variants of horns on the X'Trapolis (Note I am not referring to the new town horn Kockum Sonics, but rather the original set of horns installed from factory). Most of the X'Trapolis', bar the latest few orders, were delivered with MATEXON horns. When these horns became unavailable, Sonabel (by MATEXON) horns were fitted. Note that these two horns were most likely made by the Den Haan Rotterdam (DHR) company, as MATEXON went bankrupt in the 1990s, and DHR bought out their production assets. Sonically, these two horns variants sound identical because the internal structure is unchanged. The only difference is the power chambers have a more bulbous and rounder exterior surface on the Sonabel variant, whereas the MATEXON has a shallow surface with several mounting tabs where back-cap screws thread into. Neither of these horns is made anymore, but the DHR company continues to produce the old Sonabel lineup, and offers these horns under a slightly revised design model 'DHR H200 Series' on their website.
Great explanation. One thing I’ve noticed after doing more research, following our previous discussion on the other video is that after reading a few different documents about the Matexon, or rather Moflash AP series horns is that one of the earlier discontinued variants has a frequency of 387Hz (AP360M), which isn’t available in the DHR 200 series. It appears that the 387Hz was superseded by the newer DHR 210 which has a frequency of 377Hz. From what I could see, the horn lengths are identical on both old and new horns but the diameter of the bell opening on the larger side is bigger on the DHR 200 series. All the AP series horns had the same sized opening which was 127mm according to documentation I was able to find online. Bit of a shame that you can’t get the original AP series gear anymore. You probably could just about replicate the original sound of the earlier X’Trap’s with the DHR 210 and 220 combined, but I dare say it’d be noticeably different. What a bummer.
and also there's no way the CSRs wear replica KS1s and KS2s, they are K horns as I've zoomed into them a lot with my camera but they aren't 1 and 2 I don't reckon
@@buzzytrains9037 I beg to differ. I’ve seen the horns in person atop the roof and they do not have Nathan marking on them. They have a hearing warning sticker on the neck of the bell and it is in Chinese. There is a foundry in China that casts these K horn replicas. I believe it is DZB Investment Castings.
Absolutely fantastic compilation! Love the Leslies, P3s, P5s and RVB 3 chime
Thanks! P5’s sound Very cool
Now THIS is a horn video, well done.
Thanks!!
HAHA damn straight LAWL hahahahahaha xD
@@TazzieTransportwhat that it? Be Nice?
Nice compilation of horns, 2:38 I didn’t know that they use K5HL’s in Australia
It’s quite an unusual horn compared to most other areas in Aus, interesting indeed
I absolutely love the P5s
Who doesn't?
7:47 sounded like an RVB ''hurricane'' 3 chime!
0:52 got a recording of that coming through seaford station on the frankston line inbound to hastings (near stony point line)
Legendary compilation Tazzie! Its great hearing all these horns and i cant imagine how long it would have taken to edit 😂 Keep up the fantastic work mate!
3 days... probably 30+h all up, Thanks!
@@TazzieTransport sheeeeesh, i admire your dedication :D Yw!
Old QR EMU is a pleasant sound. Reminds me of growing up in Brisbane.
I’m happy he included suburban trains in this, most people never do.
Nice video mate. Lots of leslie RS5T's, Nathan P5's and RVB 3 chime horns! Lovley horns.
Thanks!!
The RVB 3 Chime sounds so similar to the DL Locomotives here in NZ
Nothing beats the sound of an RS5T.
And Nathan p5
Or an RVB
The RVB of Y 133 at 18:04 though, love it
Also the horn at 17:35 sounds like a mosquito, loool
Sounds like a rvb 5 chime or a bit like a Nathan p5
Thank you, I fell asleep so quickly when this is at max volume!
Impressive lashup, well done, Taz!
Thanks!!
Greetings. Very good video with an excellent variety of noise.
Thanks, For the Help to :)!
I love how they sound SOOO American
0:41
imagine that coming at you O-O
I love how most of these horns are American! They sound amazing!
That "Fouled P5" is actually an Old Cast P5. P5s were made with 2 different castings, an old one and a new one. The new one is a lot more common, but the Old Cast is also still around so thats what those "fouled" ones actually are
It may be a old cast, but it is also fouled
I believe it is a new cast P5 with a fouled P#2 bell. Old casts are practically non existent in Australia apart from a small batch of NSW locomotives delivered in the 1960's. Some new cast P5's are known to sound different based on which foundry they were cast in.
@@HybridBell No, its an old cast. New Cast do not sound like that
Nice compilation
Thanks!!
Thank you tazmania very cool
Thank You Josh
Nice video!
thx
2:38 They have k5hl's in Australia????
Brisbane IMU and SMU series have them (And Country trains)
imagine if they put the country K5 on the rio tinto ES44s, that would sound sick
My favorite is Nathan K5 (Town)😊
great video love the Nathan K5, also 2:58 ptsd lmao
Thanks, that night was a eventful night truly... lol!
@@TazzieTransport its actually called the K5LLA for the K5
I also love the Leslie S5T
Rvb 3 and Leslie RS5T horns are my favorite.
Nice editing
Thanks!
My favourite horns are the Leslie RS5T and Nathan P5
TRAINS!
6:25 Sounds like home.
I like the horn at 10:37
Good.
Thank you my lord
3:43 11:33 faves
that K5 is most likely a K5HL or K5LL with the 1L 1 2 3 4 manifold. sounds like the US gevos
Yep K5LL apparently
4:56: HCMT
15:39 and 17:11 sounded pretty good
I didn’t really think that Australian trains had bells. I thought it was just horns and ditch lights
Only some, rarely used tho
The Nathan p5 sounds like the Norfolk southern (American railroad) that I live by
K5 Country sounds like it's really a K5LL
1:02 and 0:00 are my favorite ones.
0:38 why does this sound like a p3
2:38 and this sounds like a k5hl!
@@PRG902 Probably a P5 which is playing the wrong notes, deffo a P5 tho
K5LL I think
@@PRG902 That locomotive has the P5 mounted upside down in a roof cavity up front so the sound might be slightly muffled, especially from the higher pitch chimes. Could be a fouled bell too.
2:38 is a K5LL-WOB; same bells as K5HL, but mounted on a custom ultra-low profile manifold.
I think it’s an old cast
@@MP-ph6ob These locos entered service in the mid to late 1980’s. They were originally delivered with RS5T’s but a few had new P5’s fitted later on after accident damage. Only a very small handful of oldcast P5’s existed here in the 1960’s.
Hearin a bunch of hybrid Bells at the beginning.
2:05 The horn is like the CC 206 in Indonesia 😮
I've watched this too many times
Damn
0:01 Sounds all too much like a K5LLA!
Is the WABCo C basically a town version of the RS5T?
Separate horns. RS5T is the mainline horn. The single chime WABCO is a separate horn.
16:39
9:38 sounds like a S5T
I could have made a mistake here, will have to check on that
also the comeng is so funny, please include it someday, its just HOOOOOOOOHHHKKK
oh wait you did sorry
I think the Nathan k5 is actually a k5ca and the kockum sonics mkt 75/370 is actually hyson airchine
The Nathan K5 variant used on the QR trains sound similar to a K5LLA. But after closer analysis, we realised one of the chimes was a different frequency to what a K5LLA has. The K5CA sounds similar, but again it is slightly different. This combination of frequencies has no designation from Nathan, thus we referred to it as ‘K5’ for generic purposes. They are plumbed on a custom low profile manifold that enables one horn to sound for 'town' usage, and all 5 chimes for 'country warning' similar to a K5UL-AU-LS.
The Vlocity II, HCMT and QR NGR trains definitely use Kockum Sonics horns (MKT-75/311 & MKT-75/370 for Vlocity II & NGR) (MKT-75/370 & MKT-75/660 for HCMT). They have a thermoplastic ABS trumpet and have a distinctive sound. If you observe them up close, especially on the HCMT, you can see the bronze squared chamber which confirms it is a Kockum make. Many modern commuter trains introduced here are being fitted with Kockum warning products.
Hyson Airchime was a British licensee to Nathan Airchime back in the 60’s and 70’s so I don’t think their product would end up on modern Australian rolling stock.
^^^ what he said
the zöllner makrofon has gone so lazy with the siemens train
Note to self: turn down headphones first next time.
Nice compilation
Thanks, heheh yeah turn volume down
The Wabco C horn is the same as the Leslie RS5T horn
Actually the Wabco horn is a separate horn. The RS5T is the mainline warning horn whilst the Wabco is the 'town' horn used in populated areas to reduce noise pollution.
When America and Europe combine you get Australia
Basically i think their deal is they European equipment for passenger abs American for freight so you get blended standards
Sounds like Union Pacific's horn K5HL
2:38 how can an Australian commuter train have a K5HL
Well I guess I found out what horn the Siemens has!
Yep, interesting isnt it
@@TazzieTransport Zollner 2 chime
0:38
1:03
How can the QR emus have K5s, but only 1-2 chimes are sounded?
Its a Specially made K5, I'm not sure how it works but its custom made to fit the trains
They have custom plumbing which enables a ‘town’ and ‘country’ horn. There will be 2 air inlets in the base. One inlet feeds only one horn whilst the other inlet feeds the remaining 4. When ‘town’ horn is activated, air flows through one inlet which is only plumbed to one horn. When country horn is activated, air flows through both inlets to sound all 5 chimes.
The sound may be muffled purely due to the mounting position/coverings surrounding the horn.
1:33 What Loco?
8114 Doing a Saddlers Shunt
@@TazzieTransport rip *sad* liers
Sounds more like a k3la 16:49 sounds like a k5la hybrid or k5h hybrid 16:18 why so strange from the other rvb 3 chimes? 16:27 18:22 its here again
1. Fouled bell and out of tune bell
2, 3, 4. One bell reversed and fouled bell
This things fall out of tune soooooo easily, it’s surprising how horrible they are 😅
Can i use your audio
1:32 Was that N458?
I Belive so
Don’t get me wrong, MKT-75 370’s are good, but why not Nathan KJ24’s?
Like the ones used on the NYC subway?
ngl the nathan k5 country sounds like the nathan k5hl horns
It may sound similar but it’s a custom mixture of Nathan Airchime bells that there isn’t really a model designation for, hence ‘K5’ is used as a general encompassing term. It also sounds similar to a K5LLA, but once again has one differing horn.
After closer analysis, you’re right. I believe the horns are K5LL-WOB. Same bells as the K5HL but supplied as bells only, for the train manufacturer to mount them. The one bell frequency that threw me off was probably malfunctioning and squealing to its first harmonic.
Most Australian trains have American style horns & whistles. Interesting, isn’t it?
I think most of them are mostly American designs
10:48
8:03 that's cherry St Railway Crossing 7:57 that's Werribee St Nth Railway Crossing if you don't know
Yep, Both Removed now :(, Wish I got better footage
@@TazzieTransport 8:14 the other Side of Werribee st
The cherry street hybrid sound was my favorite crossing when I was young. Sad it's gone
0:21 is that a N class with a P5? Never heard of that...
There’s 2-3 N classes with P5, they replaced Leslie’s iirc
@@TazzieTransport oh alright
They’ve all been converted to Leslies now. Only the one on loan to SSR has P5’s AFAIK.
the mont albert crossing is getting removed now i think
Yep
What’s the difference between the RS5T and the S5T?
The S5T is slightly deeper sounding, also older casting which has a few differences you could tell by looking at a RS5T and a S5T side by side.
The difference lies in the power chambers. Leslie 'S' type chambers were made from 1951 - 1978 with several generations. They have a hemispherical dome on the back cap and are built with more material. The later 'RS' type chambers were made from 1978 onwards and have a flat back cap with a large spike protruding at the 6 o'clock position. Internally there are several differences. The S chamber horns produce a marginally deeper and smoother sound, whilst the RS variants are harsher, more aggressive, and have a distinctive 'chirp' at the start of each blow. Loudness wise they're about the same, but I've heard that a healthy S5T is slightly more powerful than an RS5T apparently.
what videos are the Country K5's from?
Mixed and Matched around a lot of my videos, some not published.
@@TazzieTransport Ah, ok
0:38 that’s a p3 horn
Deffo a P5, Maybe not all the trumpets are sounding
4:31 what was that signal doing?
I have the same question lol
@@TazzieTransport Which video was it from?
@@TwoDUMTrainSpottas a Un-released one, Trains around Altona North
Someone signal trolling on SCR
I love how they use F7s ins Australia too😂
They are not true f7s but are a modified design to suit our loading gauge
You could say they’re hereditarily more similar to the EMD E7 design due to triple axle bogies.
17:20 the biggest moment
400M?
@@TazzieTransport yeah
Wait, are the XPT horns actually Nathan Airchime horns?
Correct!
16:40
le honque
11:14 I had a look at the horn's chambers it's an S3L not RS3L as you corrected yourself
GM10 has an RS3L. Look at the horn from the side. It has spike backs. Another giveaway is that it ‘chirps’ at the start of each blow, which is a distinctive feature of RS Leslies.
@@HybridBell yeah sorry I found out later on that the no spiked horn was replaced in 2010 with an RS3L
@@buzzygaming7667 The previous horn was a new-cast Nathan P3.
@@HybridBell So they're called chirps? Thank you
Did I just hear autrailia trains copied america trains
Most of those Suburban trains sound terrible, the Silverliner 5 and M8 sound much better
What about the RVB?
Leslie 5 chimes are my favourite horns
Leslie's are very good