Electro Magnetic Sonic Sequencer Thingy - Crystal Palace
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- A Weird Electromagnetic sequencer that i tried to build!!! based on the Crystal Palace where @Hainbach and @audiothing made an inspired plugin!
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first reply lol
Hey Sam, what enclosure s are you using for the jack box?
@@sonosus hammond 1550
Cool, thanks👍 I've been looking for these for a while for a couple of Arduino projects
Absolutely love this project. To the point I think I’m going to build my own version of this
SOOOO HAPPY about this
its awesome! thanks for sending us the link and suggesting this project!!!! so so cool :D
now im trying to install the plugin onto my commodore 64. its not working i heard i should be contacting you about customer support regarding this
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER Ah that is easy - I have to ship you a Flexi Disc that you can then play from a turntable onto a cassette and press play on tape.
So good to see more people discovering the delights of re-implementing and using the Crystal Palace! I collaborated a while back with David Peterson on creating an implementation for VCV's "The Rack" modular synth emulation system (we called it "Perspex", after the original CP's famous transparent Perspex housing). Fun times. (And the end result got the seal of approval from none other than Brian Hodgson himself! Highlight of my life. =:o} )
His quality of workmanship increased dramatically over the years
It's a pleasure to see young Emmett Brown in action
When you crack up then realize how old you are after.
*heavy sigh
I didn't even see this before I comented rotfl
This is mad genius, and I love it.
Feels like a merger of a granular synth an sequencer and I fucking love it.
like the kinda sequencer you would've expected to see someone make in the 50's.
@@Nukle0n Yes, very much so.
Steampunk sequencer
Imagine using this for CVs instead of audio (Likely with the help of a modulator/demodulator)
This is what it's all about. people claiming there's no more originality in contemporary music are ignorant.
this contraption sent chills down my spine, in a very good way.
People like you keep me positive about this world and optimistic towards the future.
You are a Genious, thank you.
Contemporary Pop music is aweful, people like LMNC, Heinbach, and the like though are real artists that can pull off genuinely wild and original music
don't forget the projects being analog, often people resort to digital solutions like arduino because its easier to just paste some code and make thing work. Feels like no challenge. Not saying arduinos are bad or not useful, just that pure analog feels better oftentimes.
From just a glance and with no research, that "crystal palace' box seems to hold a capacitive scanner from a Hammond organ vibrato unit. The audio from the heart of the organ ran through an amp and then through a long multi-stage LC delay line with taps at each stage. The taps connected to the 16 plates of the capacitive scanner and the rotating center electrode of the scanner went to the pickup amp tube while also being grounded by a 500MΩ resistor. The Hammond scanners were driven by the same motor that drove the oscillators and failed over time from mechanical wear. Hammond made retrofit scanners with their own motors to replace these failed scanners in the big H series organs.... perfect for hacking.
And they sound very cool 😎
That's almost certainly what that is. I remember (Jeurgen Haible I think?) a synth DIY site on repurposing Hammond vibrato scanners as an effects device. The synchronous motor in the Hammond always spins at a steady rate but hooking one up to a DC stepper motor or something would be interesting.
I have (almost) no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds amazing 😎
@@busted_keys It was Juegen. He built a non-mechanical clone, too "The interpolating Scanner"
@@demagmusic oh yeah I remember now! I made his Tripple Chorus years ago and it's awesome.
Glad you found a uses for the B&Ks.
Ten of thousands of dollars of B&Ks have come out of retirement and are now fully employed again
I never thought of holding a guitar pickup next to a circuit and hearing what was going on in the em field! lol
You can also use a tape head
Edit: 2:15
Check out Eletrosluch. It's basically that but in a handy format
i used to put my phones speaker next to my pickups and listen to music lol.
I've found that I can hold my phone next to my guitar pickup it makes a rhythmic popping noise, not sure why but it's interesting
Check out the Soma Ether!
I like how it the sounds started to coalesce and sound similar to the scanners from the original Star Trek
Mannnnnn, I’m sooo happy you did not do any further research on the crystal palace machine. Super inspiring!
You've just recreated every sound fx from every clasic 1950s/60s scifi show with just o e crazy machine
One of the madest music making devices I've seen .. totally excellent.
This is so inventive and sounds crazy, I feel like this concept opens up a new realm of possibilities.
I just Want to let you know that your music is insane and keeps me from going crazy...
There is nothing better then listening and vibing to your tracks after a hard day of scool and work...
Thank you so much for everything Sam!
You are genius. This Modul looks amazing is very unique an clever. A module with one of these spinning heads from a VHS Player would be interesting too.
This is one of your coolest builds yet, you never cease to amaze me
oh MAN! the grin that spread across my face at the 7 minute mark.
Amazing work, thanks for taking the time to create and share :)
If they taught stuff like this in schools it would be fantastic.
Combining science and music in fun ways.
My favourite so far and I am going to sign up as Patreon.
Schools teach jack sh*t, they are just indoctrination centres. Free minds dont need schools lol. If you can read write and use numbers that's all you need, that's it job done!
Some of those sounds are like something you would find in the old 80's doctor who!!
The thing making them, looks like it too, there were interesting machines, in the early series, of the show.
The Crystal Palace was mainly used in the 1968-69 season of Doctor Who (Pat Troughton's last season), though occasionally also used ( in less obvious ways/more complex combinations with other gear) into the Pertwee era. Checkout the soundtrack of "The Krotons" for what three CPs together can achieve, with one cross-fading between the other two as they each run at different speeds! Entrancing stuff. =:o}
I love how this sounds. It’s so hectic
OMG, the test equipment sounds beginning at 09:19 are gorgeous!
Tom Dissevelt and Kid Baltan waving aetherally :)
Once I took apart an electric organ and the drum machine kind of looked like that. All the drum patterns were on a PCB and a copper brush spun around.
That's sweet. Reminds me I had a toy robot when I was a kid with a 70mm record player in it lol
Likely the Wurlitzer Sideman!
The crossfading on this machine sounds really really nice!
And of course seeing rotating things is always mesmerizing :)
Thank you guys for recreating the inventiveness!
Great lighting/set in the closing shot!
Only halfway through and this definitely one of your coolest projects. Depending on your input signals, this could be a sort of manual granulizer, right?
As a physicist and engineer and I'm always amazed how well you understand intuitively physics, engineering and electronics and build you knowledges by experimentating and researching while haven't done scientific studies (I guess so at least). You got something not everyone got.
well thanks nico. i have an academic girlfriend, im not academic, infact somewhat allergic to it (its one subject me and her always jokingly disagree). i usually think of myself as a tad to stupid not to try things i suppose! and learn from mistakes. but a lot of it is just chancing it on some half assed brain simulated innacurate science. sometimes it actually works.. other times it doesn't. ,making youtube videos about it seems a lot quicker than writing a paper .... however a lot less conclusive :P :D
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER Well you know, making assumptions ("half assed brain simulated innacurate science" ;)), challenging them with experiments and taking conclusions from the results is pretty much the scientific approach, that allowed us to build all science. Thinking of the reading head saturation as an anologic tape effect was pretty smart, I know many PhD in physics who would not have thought about it. By the way, if you manage to have an automated fine tuning of the cassette reader's height over time (by tilting the rotor or pulling it up and down), you could add a nice analogic modulation of this tape effect on top of the modulation induced by the rotation. It's pretty much equivalent to doing voltage modulation on the coil's input I guess but the decrease of the magnetic field, interacting with the cassette reader head, with vertical distance is not trivial and it would give you a somewhat unique modulation waveform (which frequency would be the tilting/leveling frequency). Basically you would mix 2 modulations waveforms, from rotation and vertical leveling, both with unique waveforms (that you could tune also by modifying your actuations motors input waveform).
I'm following you since you got like 30k subscriber, good to see you start to get the attention you deserve. Keep up the good work !
It's beautiful. And when you got the six signal generators rigged up to it, that was a wonderful paleo-experimental electronic sound, like you'd hear in a documentary about early electronic music. To be more retro it would have to use stone knives and bear skins! Now you're ready to cut a soundtrack for a 60s BBC sci-fi programme. (Not in colour)
The simplest possible oscillator you can make with an inductor is a LC oscillator, right? A capacitor connected across the pins of the inductor? If you made a dozen or so of these, each one clipped into a plastic shell, you could link them together into a chain. Pass them across another inductor which charges them so they start oscillating, then immediately run them over a tape head, and you have a variable-length sequencer! Tune each cell by adjusting the capacitor (somehow)! Extend the length of the pattern by just clipping more on! Mount it on a bicycle and pedal your way through the music, particularly if you can use a dynamo to run the electronics!
I love the energy you bring to your channel. So much fun
Excellent design and build. Well done Sam.
Interresting device, it’s quite versitile at the sort of sounds it creates, it’s out of this world!
Based on what I've found, you've pretty much nailed it.
The gold pen nib seem to function the way you are using the slip rings.
The whole thing seems to be based on a series of old-school air-spaced variable capacitors. You know with those half circle spinning bits (called plates). Depending on how well the plates align at any moment, controls the strength of the signal passed. Yeah, so, you're doing the same think but with magnetic coupling.
Spot on.
This project was next level. 👏🏻
Wow so cool that you make this retro-punk looking Frankenstein rhythm sequencer electro-mechanical thingy. Obviously Sam you are not afraid to try it!
Mesmerising, and then he went full mad scientist with 2 rows of coils and contra rotating heads with variable speeds!
Great build Sam.
You've surpassed yourself with this one Sam. Very organic sounding, love it.
This is one of the coolest ideas I’ve ever seen
Freaky. Really came together when adding all of the "signal generators"
I am officialy voting you as embassador for EMM (Earths Music Ministery)
I am pritty sure the whole planet will also vote yes!
RESPECT mate! 🏆
I can’t believe how beautiful this sounds!
fountain pen nibs used to be homebrew way of making slip rings and comutators.
Hmmm interesting
Brilliant! Those oscillators are absolutely gorgeous!!! :)
These sounds are so out of space !! I love it! This is one, if not the most interesting video of you Sam. Exactly because of that I am here and in our beloved forum with all these inspiring and very nice people! Greetings to Dud, Jos, Fredrik, CTorp, Caustic, heckseven, willow2x, analogoutput, devicex and all the other great people I forgot.
Cheers THOGRE
Your Hainbach impression is spot on! =P
do you know this video where he impersonates him with a wig and a glass of wine,hilarious!
@@PercivalThe23 I havent!!!!
@@FelipeTellez please watch it,it starts at 07:48:
ua-cam.com/video/jtsn4W-jtnM/v-deo.html
@@PercivalThe23 SAMBACH
@@FelipeTellez 😆
I don't understand those sounds you're creating, but I really enjoy your passion, creativity, and craftsmanship
I keep rewatching for those sick sounds!
I mean, don't we all wish we got a text from Hainbach saying "Hi, I'm Hainbach, good to text you back"? ;D ;D This is such a crazy cool machine. This opens up so many possibilities. There's so many things you can do if you start incorporating electromagnetism, tape heads and coils :).
This sounds like 1960’s Doctor Who, Love It 👍
This start sounds amazing
Yet more crazy sound making shit, puts my strictly nerdless fumblings in context.
Lol that Hainbach impression in the beginning =)
It’s got a turntable feel or a Disco-Frankenstein Vibe. Love it. I would love to see a finished consumer product based on this method. Imagine this in a live set where the audience is able to see speed changes and stops and breaks etc.
This is, in my opinion, one of the best things you’ve ever made. The possible applications are insane! I’m sure you’ll have a stack of these working together in not too long but... you can’t have tape saturation without tape. That’s a property of magnetic tape and really has nothing to do with the tape head. ✌️
Indeed! =:o} What we're hearing there is just the electronics themselves saturating.
Raymond Scott's circle machine works on a similar principle, though he used photoresistors, and it was only hand-cranked to let you change the BPM of the sequence. The fact you're using tape heads and coils seems to introduce a few more variables since magnetic fields don't have strict boundaries. Also, the cascading effect of the inputs is frankly genius.
Yeah that cascade effect - or "normalling" of the inputs to their neighbours - is a feature of Dave Young's original design. In addition, the cross-fade between two inputs carrying the same signal resulted in no noticeable chance of level. So you could actually play a repeated 26 beat musical phrase by feeding each of the notes into the required input according to when it wax meant tl start, and have perfectly held notes across several beats just by not sticking a plug into any of the following input sockets.
ye, i love what you didn in the end with the test equipment. definately an awesome thing
This makes my heart melt. Makes me want to make music
Sam, this is bonkers! Just so good.
Sounds like something Trent Reznor would love to have in his collection.
6:33 sounds exactly like this one time I ate too many shrooms. I think this contraption sounds even weirder when it's going real slow like that, well cool.
That "quote" at the beginning is awesome! :-D
I wonder if he sleeps, it's sheer insanity the amount of thought and effort goes in to these machines, let alone playing them. Cheers man!
This is so surreal, the sounds make me think of a horror game like Silent Hill.
the engineering is awesome. this man is a genius!
When one outside of the UK hears about that BBC Radiophonic Workshop, they immediately think of Doctor Who.
I believe most of the Doctor Who's Foley work was done with a Mellotron that was custom fitted with various audio samples specifically for that purpose.
Dunno where you heard that, but in my 45 years as a devoted fan of the BBC RW I've never heard it! =:o}.
Basically, up until the early 1970s the RW would prepare tracks on quarter inch tape, and they would be queued up and played into the studio using standard tape machines, by very skilled tape operators. From the mid 1970s onward sound effects were created and recorded in post-production, but still supplied on standard reels of quarter inch tape to be dubbed into the final soundtrack in a dubbing theatre. In the 1980s, the Beeb's video equipment was upgraded to accommodated multiple audio tracks, and this made it possible to dub sound effects and music directly into a dedicated music or effects track, separate from the dialogue, and so those tracks could be assembled in a less stressful way than having to cue every track in in real time! =:o}
One of the must interesting and mechanical thing you’ve made in my opinion
One of your finest creations. This is tremendous !
this is one of the best things I've ever seen
Absolutely totally mind-blowingly amazing!
For the love of us all Sam please put out a kit, or plans plans yes lordy, help us all smile. 😁 Great work sir.
You are a genius. Holy F that is awesome.
By far the best thing I've seen in a while. Bravo! I wish I had an ounce of your enthusiasm and drive.
This thing is amazing, a new synth apparatus,
Stepping through audio inputs reminded me of a lovely module for the ARP 2500 called the 1050 Mix-Sequencer. A 1x8 or 2x4 sequencer, it could pass both audio and control voltages. It can usually be found next to the 2500's 1027 10 step Sequencer modules to combine its three lines for longer sequences. It could combine the three rows to get 30 steps or as many as three 1027's for up to a 90 note sequence (I wouldn't want to have to tune that in the days before quantizing). It was most often used as a pair of four input mixers selectable by either front panel buttons or voltage control. I remember Pete Townsend of the Who commenting that he used it in that mode as a preset selector when creating both Quadrophenia and the soundtrack for the movie of the same name. In a synth with no patch memory that must have been quite handy. It's the synth module I've most wanted to get a chance to try out ideas on ever since I read the ad brochure back in the 1970's. I'm sure there are eurorack modles with similar abilities but, like much of the 2500, the Mix-Sequencer got there first. Like much of the 2500, it was way ahead of it's time.
Oh my goodness this is something very intriguing! I’d love to hear it with different sorts of inductor components (different windings, and wire thicknesses), and maybe with a greater distance and spacing between those inductor coils?! By having say one track really close to the pickup tape head, and then another track outside of the first one, so the inductors in that track would be further from the head, could that make the inside track louder and the outside one quieter? This could prove to be a great plaything! Thanks a bunch for sharing about this,it’s pretty awesome!!
This is amazing. Very inspirational.
the hainbach impression at the start made me laugh haha
Now this is some proper mad scientist stuff.
Sam, you bring us joy!
10:08 so cool... love the mad scientist vibez, I'd send you a lab coat only I need it :D
HAINBACH is such a awesome dude, he can talk me to sleep any day with that voice of his LOL
Very cool contraption!
Such a cool creation, amazing sounds. Love it!!
This some super sick sounds.
Like The revival of all The best musics best bits in one thing
Brilliant - tremendous job there!
I wonder if it would be cool to add a few more components, maybe another tape head and set of inductors or maybe a roller switch at each coil, so you could get a pulse output mechanically linked to the rest of the machine. It probably wouldn't be perfect but it'd be fun to clock synths to this thing even if it's a little sketchy. This thing is an all time great LMNC project as far as I'm concerned!
you are the coolest thing on youtube! thank you
Awesome Sam!
man this thing came out sick! great jobo dude :) got some awesome sounds in the demo
That is a thing of beauty, thank you once again good sir
Dang! Always amazed with this stuff. Thank you!
lol...This is sweet Sam, spot on mate.
Tim Blake of Gong had a record called crystal machine, which included recordings of one of the first musical live shows with a very high powered laser in the light show. Very trippy progressive/Berlin type old school 70s electronic music.
I've heard something similar to this when I lived in Jupiter. :)
Absolutely brilliant.
Love your stuff mate. This one though, making crazy sounds and communicating with spacemen. Keep it up, love it.
The sounds at the end sounded like something out of an old star trek episode.
You are an insane genius.
As a kid I used to (and still occasionally do!) hold a Long-wave radio receiver up to various bits of electronics and listening to what they sound like.
love the rusty gate sounds =)