I've been watching u for about 8 years. Been camping just as long. Enjoy ur videos and info. Also comedy is corny and gr8. Keep up the good work. Thx NERd ! 🤓
TY so much for choosing our door step! I'll let them know you reached out! If you haven't done so, then mind dropping them a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review by chance?
I love your videos! So informative, thorough, comprehensive and entertaining!! Thank you so much! We are researching what would be best for full time living for us. Love these! Keep them coming!
Beautiful RV. We've had 2 Montanas over time. Both have been exceptionally comfortable and well built. The storage in the 2023 models is unbelievable. Thank you for sharing this.
Josh, thanks so much for your unbiased videos on the units you review as more people need to tell it like it is and let the people sort out the purchase for themselves with your input as a base. I have this exact 3761Fl but a 2021 Legacy Edition with every upgrade they had and even some they didn't but, since day one I have had issues with quality and craftmanship of the unit and that still continues today and yes i have a "Covid Camper" and no one at Keystone seems to want to recognize this. My most recent big issue is the upper sofa slide gearing came completely out of the frame of the unit when opening it and no one has ever seen this before yet Lippert refuses to cover it under warranty. I am just looking for any assistance to get what i thought i was paying for as far as quality and craftmanship on their most coveted line.
We were full-timers before full-timing was cool. Ok, we lived in a mobile home. But it had a double sink in the bathroom. In the three years we lived there, the second sink was never used! More counter space, please! And never reject a second bathroom. Pack fewer things if space is an issue 🤣
Josh, you are going to think I’m nuts, but they need to design one for wheelchair bound people. Design it so that ramp for upper deck is accessible without. I don’t know. But you do!
I'm a little bit late in watching and commenting on this video. I was hard set either on a Alliance or Grand Design for a 5th wheel but after seeing some very nice Montana's in campgrounds over the past couple of months I decided to look at them and they're growing on me. First off, I wanted to thank you for making the videos, they always answer my questions! I had thought the toilet in the main bathroom looked tight. Also I wanted to let you know I am 100% with you on RV bathrooms only needing one sink. I have 2 in my house and only use one, I can't imagine 2 people wanting to be in a RV bathroom using it at the same time, rather have the counter space. Thanks again!
It's not an accident Montana is the single best selling fifth wheel in history. For so many years they've been THE best seller out there in fifth wheels I think sometimes because they're not the new kid on the block they can be overlooked as old or outdated. But the fact is they're THE brand that heavily shaped today's fifth wheel market
That's something I'd really like to see! It would put a lot of my concerns to rest. They don't tout their construction and warranty like the newbies do. I think I read they use a TPO roof. Something else I am going to have to investigate more is the rear bathroom setup, not only on this Montana 3761 but with all the manufacturers. I noticed pipes in the rear storage area in your video, I'm wondering is a flush enough to carry everything to the holding tank, humm..
@@Out2camp I would offer that Barry Sanders, one of the greatest running backs ever, never celebrated his touchdowns because he didn’t want people to think it was his first time getting there. That’s kinda how I see Montana. They’re THE established high profile fifth wheel. They have defined the luxury fifth wheel segment. Not sure they need to boast Especially when frankly a lot of the things being touted are incredibly industry standard
My take: one can never go wrong with an extra toilet. It is, unfortunately, in a bad place. This is why I love the idea of a walk-through master bath to get to bedroom. This is a beautiful unit, though!
I personally think if they moved the bathroom door to the second level right next to the bedroom door, it would solve the "crap where you eat issue". It would make the 1/2 bath have a short ceiling though and make it closer to the full bath, so it has pros and cons. They could also make the 1/2 bath door faced more towards the dinette and away from the island. That being said, it doesn't bother me at all and I'd rather have a 1/2 bath than an extra pantry. Just turn on the max air vent fan and if need be, put a draft blocker at the bottom of the 1/2 bath door.
The Montana High Country 373RD has a great floor plan as far as road access is concerned. Since it doesn't have an island, the kitchen and dining area is fully accessible with slides in as is the bedroom and bathroom. The rear living room isn't accessible with slides in.
I agree. The living room needs a desk. There has to be some way they can do that. I also detest floor vents. Yea, I'm one of the ones that don't want someone crapping at my kitchen. lol I'd get the pantry since there won't be any visitors. No duel sinks, more counter space. I've seen some models have the shower walls go all the way up the entire wall which makes a lot more sense for water not to get up above the top or splash. None of your links are working
Your spot on that the door window should have a shade factory installed. ESPECIALLY in a Montana. And their should be back splash/side splash all around the stove. I’m in the single basin camp for the bathroom and I’m not a fan of the freestanding bowl look. I just feel that the bathroom isn’t big enough for two adults to comfortably use it at the same time.
I prefer the USB connectors on the sides as is. I'm not a large person and would value the extra cord length offered by not sticking out the front (more visually appealing on the side also). Keep up the great reviews!
Hey! I love your videos. Just watched your video on the Cedar Creek. How do you think this Montana compares to the Cedar Creek you reviewed recently as far as construction and build quality. Your videos are becoming instrumental as I start narrowing down my options!
I hold both brands in very high regards. There are so many older Montanas out there doing well.. I don’t know which I would give the nod to If you’re looking at ABSOLUTE LONG TERM like 15+ years, then I may give the nod to cedars
Had 3 former brother in laws that had similar 5th wheels. This is really pretty inside with the decor colors. 1. Yes, it's kind of silly at this price point that there isn't a shade in the entry door. 2. I understand the convenience of a half bath for any guests you may have but dang if they could put an area for a stacking washer/dryer in that level it seems to me to be a much smarter location. I know you've mentioned before that before you add a washer/dryer unit in remember it'll get giggle banged around in the far back or far front. Wouldn't putting it there on the "ground level" make more sense? 3. I am NOT a fan of vessel sinks. They have a tendency to splash over much easier than a traditional sink. I think one larger sink in the en suite would be a better option. Just my two cents worth. Thx Josh!
This thing is just a house I do have to say the rear kitchen models have definitely been growing on me but ya can't get fancy master and half bath with those so kinda a toss up really like what they've done here been in a few of these including legacy👍👍
RK models feel super super cool to me, but I'm wary of them with my years of experience. They come in like a Miley Cyrus wrecking ball. But they will suddenly just fizzle and fade without warning From a customer's perspective they're amazing. From a dealership perspective they feel risky.
Josh, I agree with you, I would rather have counter space then an extra sink. Also, I don't like those bowl sinks. These big trailers should have the ability to put a side by side washer and dryer in them. I think that you did a video on one recently. And how about a dishwasher in these expensive units? Also, thermal pane windows would be nice.
I am a big Montana fan since we bought our 2008 3465SA last year. We have been very happy with our Rig except for the peeling decals. We do like the older warmer colors better than the newer colors. Keep up the good work on your videos.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I have power washed it 3 times with 4500psi on a pin point stream, it removes the loose material but not the remaining decal. I am currently using a heat gun and a plastic scraper followed by a supped up goo-b-gone. Extremely time consuming. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Hi Josh. We owned a 2011 Montana that we loved but sold a couple years ago. Downsized to a Cougar travel trailer, wasn't happy with it, so we went shopping for a new fifth wheel. Planned on buying another Montana or Alpine, but after viewing Montanas and Alpines at a couple different dealerships, we were struck by the poor craftsmanship in today's premier Keystone fifth wheels. Made us leery of what we COULDN'T see. Our old Montana was great; so disappointed to see what they are putting out now. We then looked at KZ Durango Golds and Grand Design Solitudes. The quality of the fit and finish was head and shoulders above Keystone. My husband is a retired construction superintendent who's former company built big hotel casinos in Vegas and he is a stickler for quality work. Even he was impressed by the attention to detail that KZ and Grand Design show in their products. Sadly, we are no longer considering any Keystone products.
Sure is pretty!!! Come on Keystone a privacy shade in the door would NOT kill you to install and include, especially at this price point. I liked the design on the flooring for the dinning table slide and the kitchen slide. I'll take the butler's pantry over the bathroom in the kitchen (at least this is an option). Some how the lighting in the kitchen does not seem to complement the classy lines (it looked more 60'ish), just my opinion. In our Cougar 30RLS (the last one off the line) the storage on the side of the island has a strips of wood that holds items in place so it is secure during travel (even over NM roads🤣), why couldn't they do the same here? Everything has to be removed and stored separately, just saying. The USB outlets on the side of the theater seats NEED TO BE MOVED....everytime you shift the plug on my phone/tablet gets pulled out or the cord is nearly bent in half. Finally, I personally liked the the bowl sinks in the bathroom. Just wished there was a fold down teak seat instead of the current model. Loved all the storage inside and out. Thank you for the wonderful videos and I wish you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving, gobble till you waddle 🦃 🏄♀️❤❤❤ Sending XOXOXOX's from San Diego.
Hey Uncle Josh hope you're having a great day? I think the heat pump is actually 16500 btu's. I like the fact you can have a half bath or a butlers pantry.but me personally I would opt for the half bath because I don't like people having to go through my bedroom to get to the bathroom. Montana does it right every time.
Hay thanks nerd 🤓 ! Currently owned unit #6 is a Montana. Very impressed with build quality and Interior styling compared to others. Retirement is right around the corner and most certainly will be looking at a floor plan like this. Montana keeps on knocking it out of da park. Happy holidays to all 2022 !
1/2 bath- I'd keep it a bathroom. If someone is spending the night in the living area, not only does that 1/2 bath mean I don't get disturbed, it also means the guests don't feel awkward trying to sneak through. The usb port in the inside of the arm of the couch is useless to me. Yes, I'd be concerned about it breaking the cord, but more so I don't want it digging into my thigh. Put it on the end or just don't bother. I wouldn't want to move the laundry down to the kitchen. Leave it where the dirty clothes are. Thinking about converting a couch area to a desk...why couldn't you put desks perpendicular to the larger slide window- so they are under the side windows instead of along the full side? You'd have 2 small desks, use 1 for the computer and the other for desk space. There might be room for a 4"-6" shelf along the window for stuff and an elbow rest. Then you'd only fall off sideways, you'd be more likely to protect your noggin. 😜
I purchased a 2021 Forest River Sierra 391FLRB 5th wheel. This Montana is very similar, but I must say, based on what features my Sierra had, I think the Sierra is better. I’ll attach 2 UA-cam videos of it and you can decide. Unfortunately, in the first video, everything wasn’t shown, but is shown in the second video. Josh, I’d really like to know your opinion. Thanks.
Would love to retire into one like this but I still got a couple decades before that. Would definitely go BP as I hate the idea of taking the browns to the super bowl in the kitchen. Would definitely be interested in the washer dryer hookups there too. I don't like that the AC is black inside. Looks weird
I love the fl version because of all the storage it's liveable for someone who wants to cut down but still have access to video games and series/movies and have a fewer nice things out but having less square footage I just wish it had the option for 🪜 stepladder for someone who is 4'11 shortage but I love the amount of space 🌌🚀 in each room and the layout is just perfect for me and looks fun for kitties 🐈 and doggies 🐕 and I'm all about my animals and games
@@JoshtheRVNerd I love all animals if I could I'd have all kinds of animals except for snakes and spiders or anything like spiders but I definitely love all animals including deer 🦌 horses and elephants 🐘 if I could I'd have an elephant and a horse 🐎 but it's not possible but that is how much I love animals but I'm aware that it's not possible unfortunately
That BP is the perfect place for a laundry which will give full closet space in the bedroom, its the only thing stopping me from buying one. The way it is now with a washer in the bedroom you lose too much hanging space
This thing is the kind that makes me smile big! We would love a separate living area and kitchen! I'd prefer the butler's pantry. Don't care for vessel sinks and only need one sink. Those sinks are too close together for two adults to do what they need to do without getting in each other's way. Beautiful unit though. Kinda what we're looking for.
Josh... You seem to be as forthright about your experiences and insider information as you are able to be. Would you share your thoughts on this and other like Montana models with regards to the slew of frame failures for some 5th wheels recently. Also, the slides on these and their reliability. Thank you! Tim Stevens
Neither of those brands has been heavily associated with it. Some certainly but not a massive wave I really haven’t heard of a lot of Montanas encountering the flex problem. A few alliances but almost always with a swapped out pinbox the rig wasn’t made for (I don’t blame a customer for that - I blame the lack of consumer education and the dealer hitch shops that willingly took their money) Alliance has actually been good from what I’ve seen about backing their clients even in those cases for the most part (provided the customer didn’t start off at a volcano rage level) Alliance Facebook owners group has seen nearly zero discussion of flex as it really hasn’t been found a lot there Jayco has also done fantastically overall
I’m really diggin the upstairs living rooms on these fifth wheels. It’s kinda nice n cozy up there. And I love this Montana. You definitely need a one ton dually to haul this beast around.🤙
Technically solar does nothing but charge your battery. Nothing else. The other hardware that often goes along with it is what makes it "do stuff" Usually that size of solar package is capable of running anything and everything in the RV - albeit for a limited amount of time Cranking the A/C for instance will still overpower the system quickly
Almost perfect! Now that the bathroom is on the lower level you raise the living room! So instead of climbing e stairs to go, I'd have to climb down 3 stairs to get there! Yikes! I'm looking for something with a kitchen, living room and bath all on the same floor level. As much as I love the luxury of a 5th wheel. With my knees that don't bend enough to climb stairs very well and needing to always get to the bathroom in a hurry. Sadly I don't think a 5th wheel like this one is a good fit for me. I do love it tho. Maybe a pull behind or toy hauler? Idk I'm getting discouraged 😞
Beautiful floorplan and beautiful RV👍I definitely prefer 1 sink and more counter space, but the sinks don’t bother me as much as having to look at the dirty looking doors of the farmhouse😢Please offer an optional bathroom decor🤞
Dear Josh l am in total accordance with you that a living room is a living room and a kitchen well you get my drift. Josh l will ask you a ? to see if finally someone can answer me l will try to put this in the best way l can. Josh what are the widest slides ever put on fifthwheels to determine the width of an RV. THanks for trying to help me as you gave done in the past.😮😊
bath or pantry, hard choice.... guess it would depend on how often other people likely to be in there. i would rarely use it but for taking a leak... but if i have the new neighbors at camp ground over... they are basically total strangers at that point... dont want them going thru bedroom..... if having a party of all well known friends, still dont want everyone back and forth thru the bedroom.... but i do not know enough people to have a party out in the desert these days, and am not all that likely to invite strangers inside, just hang out outside....... plugs on seats where your legs are... are stupid totally.... just asking to break the plug or the jack as you get in and out, or even just move around during a movie. anywhere is better than there, outside in front, outside on side, in side the arm rest all far better. anywhere but where they are..... washer dryer hookups would be nice.. would take that in place of half bath any day.... 2 sinks in a bathroom is almost useless.... nice for 2 people to have their own crap around their own sink i guess.... but in all my years i never been in the bathroom at the same time as my girl, unless in shower together.. but anyway.. ... not crapping as she brush her teeth, not brushing my teeth as she putting on makeup.... would even rather go pee outside than do that...chatting and doing what you do in the bathroom together just seems ... not right to me.
Hi! My name is Renato, and currently, I live in Brazil. In January/2023, I'm going to move to Orlando, FL, to study for three years. How can I buy an RV being an immigrant student? I will appreciate any help. Best regards. Renato
Bom dia Renato! I am afraid I am not very familiar with how someone in that scenario may acquire rv financing though cash is always an option Perhaps someone local or a bank you use locally could assist at that time??
Love this floor plan. Actually wish they made one without bathroom or pantry and just shortened by 3-4 feet instead. Dual sinks in the bathroom is a waste to me. Would rather just have the one and the extra counter space.
Trick with shortening like that is the entire kitchen or something else would need redesigned since there’s a slide there. Can’t shrink one side of the RV without matching on the other Designs are such a pain like that BUT.. I get what you’re saying “Give me a shorter front living” basically :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Exactly. I’m devastated that the Grand Design 346FL is now the 3460FL. That was the perfect RV for us and we just can’t find a replacement for it at that length. My wife and I are left scratching our heads going now what do we do?
How is anyone able to have a beautiful RV such as this one, and obtain a loan or financing for it? Banks won't lend if you're going to live full time in it!? It's so disappointing to get one picked out only to be told this rule ...🙁
Not a joke, just don’t tell them it’s for full-time. The RV people knew it would be for us, but we didn’t tell the bank that. It’s easiest to get if you have lived somewhere a long time, that way they don’t think it will be for full-time. If you don’t have a permanent address with strong history then you’re less likely to get the loan. We got ours even with not the best credit history and we were told many people with better credit than us and bigger down payments are still denied. He believed, the loan officer, that my very secure job (high school math teacher at same school for years) and long history at our residence played a big role. People with more work history of bouncing between jobs and a lot of moving are more easily denied even if they make more money than me.
It’s very difficult to borrow over $100,000 because unlike a home that builds equity, the banks know that by the time you pay off the RV in 10-15 years it is probably only going to be worth $20,000😢
Keystone's quality has gone down the tubes. Our brand new 5th wheel has so many quality issues, nail holes covered but never sanded, or stained over, and now this morning it is 20 degrees outside and the water is frozen. So their "0-110" is a lie...
I've been watching u for about 8 years. Been camping just as long. Enjoy ur videos and info. Also comedy is corny and gr8. Keep up the good work. Thx NERd ! 🤓
Awesome! Thank you!
We bought THIS camper and can’t wait for spring!! Bish’s RV in Coldwater… shout out to Brandon and Big John !
TY so much for choosing our door step! I'll let them know you reached out!
If you haven't done so, then mind dropping them a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review by chance?
I love your videos! So informative, thorough, comprehensive and entertaining!! Thank you so much! We are researching what would be best for full time living for us. Love these! Keep them coming!
I own a 2022 3761fl and the room around the two sinks is great for the wife and I to both be in there at the same time.
Awesome Ty!! Love input from real owners. Nobody knows better than you!!
Beautiful RV. We've had 2 Montanas over time. Both have been exceptionally comfortable and well built. The storage in the 2023 models is unbelievable. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for sharing your experiences as well, Marcy! :)
Thanks and best wishes from the UK. Wish we had these over here. Would like to see you climb inside the back storage! Cheers Gary.
Lol I've done that before! Actually.. I think I did it on this RV's tour last year! see here bit.ly/2Z03MC6
Yes a shade in the door would be great!
Thanks Josh love the niche I would use it as a office
Ty
Josh, thanks so much for your unbiased videos on the units you review as more people need to tell it like it is and let the people sort out the purchase for themselves with your input as a base. I have this exact 3761Fl but a 2021 Legacy Edition with every upgrade they had and even some they didn't but, since day one I have had issues with quality and craftmanship of the unit and that still continues today and yes i have a "Covid Camper" and no one at Keystone seems to want to recognize this. My most recent big issue is the upper sofa slide gearing came completely out of the frame of the unit when opening it and no one has ever seen this before yet Lippert refuses to cover it under warranty. I am just looking for any assistance to get what i thought i was paying for as far as quality and craftmanship on their most coveted line.
Ty for the kind words my way. I am sorry to hear about the troubles you’re having 😔
great video! im currently in the process of getting this exact model this week.
Hope you enjoy it!
Wife and I enjoy having dual sinks
Ty
We were full-timers before full-timing was cool. Ok, we lived in a mobile home. But it had a double sink in the bathroom. In the three years we lived there, the second sink was never used! More counter space, please! And never reject a second bathroom. Pack fewer things if space is an issue 🤣
THAT is good info. TY Kathy for takin the time to share
Really like these rigs. Great place to put the office. Thanks for video, very informative.
Glad you like them!
Hey, thanks Nerd. 😉
My pleasure!
Josh, you are going to think I’m nuts, but they need to design one for wheelchair bound people.
Design it so that ramp for upper deck is accessible without. I don’t know.
But you do!
No you’re not wrong. This industry is terribly unkind to those not able of body
Thanks Awesome Nerd! That’s an awesome RV!
Thx Jon
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Love road mode tytyty
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I must admit that this one is beautiful. I do like having a door shade.
Beautiful Montana 😊😊👍👍👍👍👍 not so crazy on a bathroom being in the kitchen though so I'd probably go with the other version 😊😊👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Nerd! I love your vids; very informative and educational. Keep up the good work........Namaste.
Namaste
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I'm a little bit late in watching and commenting on this video. I was hard set either on a Alliance or Grand Design for a 5th wheel but after seeing some very nice Montana's in campgrounds over the past couple of months I decided to look at them and they're growing on me. First off, I wanted to thank you for making the videos, they always answer my questions! I had thought the toilet in the main bathroom looked tight. Also I wanted to let you know I am 100% with you on RV bathrooms only needing one sink. I have 2 in my house and only use one, I can't imagine 2 people wanting to be in a RV bathroom using it at the same time, rather have the counter space. Thanks again!
It's not an accident Montana is the single best selling fifth wheel in history. For so many years they've been THE best seller out there in fifth wheels
I think sometimes because they're not the new kid on the block they can be overlooked as old or outdated. But the fact is they're THE brand that heavily shaped today's fifth wheel market
I appreciate your thoughts and insight on the Montana! I'm already watching more of your videos on them!
@@Out2camp I have a factory tour for them coming
That's something I'd really like to see! It would put a lot of my concerns to rest. They don't tout their construction and warranty like the newbies do. I think I read they use a TPO roof.
Something else I am going to have to investigate more is the rear bathroom setup, not only on this Montana 3761 but with all the manufacturers. I noticed pipes in the rear storage area in your video, I'm wondering is a flush enough to carry everything to the holding tank, humm..
@@Out2camp I would offer that Barry Sanders, one of the greatest running backs ever, never celebrated his touchdowns because he didn’t want people to think it was his first time getting there.
That’s kinda how I see Montana. They’re THE established high profile fifth wheel. They have defined the luxury fifth wheel segment. Not sure they need to boast
Especially when frankly a lot of the things being touted are incredibly industry standard
My take: one can never go wrong with an extra toilet. It is, unfortunately, in a bad place. This is why I love the idea of a walk-through master bath to get to bedroom. This is a beautiful unit, though!
Where would it be better placed?
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I personally think if they moved the bathroom door to the second level right next to the bedroom door, it would solve the "crap where you eat issue". It would make the 1/2 bath have a short ceiling though and make it closer to the full bath, so it has pros and cons.
They could also make the 1/2 bath door faced more towards the dinette and away from the island.
That being said, it doesn't bother me at all and I'd rather have a 1/2 bath than an extra pantry. Just turn on the max air vent fan and if need be, put a draft blocker at the bottom of the 1/2 bath door.
The Montana High Country 373RD has a great floor plan as far as road access is concerned. Since it doesn't have an island, the kitchen and dining area is fully accessible with slides in as is the bedroom and bathroom. The rear living room isn't accessible with slides in.
yep yep! Great layout :)
I agree. The living room needs a desk. There has to be some way they can do that. I also detest floor vents. Yea, I'm one of the ones that don't want someone crapping at my kitchen. lol I'd get the pantry since there won't be any visitors. No duel sinks, more counter space. I've seen some models have the shower walls go all the way up the entire wall which makes a lot more sense for water not to get up above the top or splash. None of your links are working
Links are working. We're simply sold out of this one unfortunately -- in both versions :(
No to 2 sinks and yes for my counter space
Ty
Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
As Long as there’s The Big Bowls in the bathroom.
Thanks Josh
My pleasure!
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Your spot on that the door window should have a shade factory installed. ESPECIALLY in a Montana. And their should be back splash/side splash all around the stove.
I’m in the single basin camp for the bathroom and I’m not a fan of the freestanding bowl look. I just feel that the bathroom isn’t big enough for two adults to comfortably use it at the same time.
Ty Jet
I prefer the USB connectors on the sides as is. I'm not a large person and would value the extra cord length offered by not sticking out the front (more visually appealing on the side also). Keep up the great reviews!
Fair enough! Ty
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Hey! I love your videos. Just watched your video on the Cedar Creek. How do you think this Montana compares to the Cedar Creek you reviewed recently as far as construction and build quality. Your videos are becoming instrumental as I start narrowing down my options!
I hold both brands in very high regards. There are so many older Montanas out there doing well.. I don’t know which I would give the nod to
If you’re looking at ABSOLUTE LONG TERM like 15+ years, then I may give the nod to cedars
Had 3 former brother in laws that had similar 5th wheels. This is really pretty inside with the decor colors.
1. Yes, it's kind of silly at this price point that there isn't a shade in the entry door.
2. I understand the convenience of a half bath for any guests you may have but dang if they could put an area for a stacking washer/dryer in that level it seems to me to be a much smarter location. I know you've mentioned before that before you add a washer/dryer unit in remember it'll get giggle banged around in the far back or far front. Wouldn't putting it there on the "ground level" make more sense?
3. I am NOT a fan of vessel sinks. They have a tendency to splash over much easier than a traditional sink. I think one larger sink in the en suite would be a better option.
Just my two cents worth. Thx Josh!
Ty Roanna!! Always appreciate your visits!!
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This thing is just a house I do have to say the rear kitchen models have definitely been growing on me but ya can't get fancy master and half bath with those so kinda a toss up really like what they've done here been in a few of these including legacy👍👍
RK models feel super super cool to me, but I'm wary of them with my years of experience. They come in like a Miley Cyrus wrecking ball. But they will suddenly just fizzle and fade without warning
From a customer's perspective they're amazing.
From a dealership perspective they feel risky.
This is a nice Floorplan! There's a Jayco Pinnacle (flgs) that I'd prefer! JS maybe you can do a "vs" video...?
I’ve seen that one. The kitchen is .. interesting
I like different but I am still not sure on it
Josh, I agree with you, I would rather have counter space then an extra sink. Also, I don't like those bowl sinks. These big trailers should have the ability to put a side by side washer and dryer in them. I think that you did a video on one recently. And how about a dishwasher in these expensive units? Also, thermal pane windows would be nice.
“Thermal” pane isn’t something most rvs do btw. Not truly
There are some dual panes, but they’re not a gas charged hollow thermal pane
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I am a big Montana fan since we bought our 2008 3465SA last year. We have been very happy with our Rig except for the peeling decals. We do like the older warmer colors better than the newer colors. Keep up the good work on your videos.
I’ve seen people basically power wash the decals off those older models and they look great
@@JoshtheRVNerd I have power washed it 3 times with 4500psi on a pin point stream, it removes the loose material but not the remaining decal. I am currently using a heat gun and a plastic scraper followed by a supped up goo-b-gone. Extremely time consuming. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Hi Josh. We owned a 2011 Montana that we loved but sold a couple years ago. Downsized to a Cougar travel trailer, wasn't happy with it, so we went shopping for a new fifth wheel. Planned on buying another Montana or Alpine, but after viewing Montanas and Alpines at a couple different dealerships, we were struck by the poor craftsmanship in today's premier Keystone fifth wheels. Made us leery of what we COULDN'T see. Our old Montana was great; so disappointed to see what they are putting out now. We then looked at KZ Durango Golds and Grand Design Solitudes. The quality of the fit and finish was head and shoulders above Keystone. My husband is a retired construction superintendent who's former company built big hotel casinos in Vegas and he is a stickler for quality work. Even he was impressed by the attention to detail that KZ and Grand Design show in their products. Sadly, we are no longer considering any Keystone products.
Sure is pretty!!! Come on Keystone a privacy shade in the door would NOT kill you to install and include, especially at this price point. I liked the design on the flooring for the dinning table slide and the kitchen slide. I'll take the butler's pantry over the bathroom in the kitchen (at least this is an option). Some how the lighting in the kitchen does not seem to complement the classy lines (it looked more 60'ish), just my opinion. In our Cougar 30RLS (the last one off the line) the storage on the side of the island has a strips of wood that holds items in place so it is secure during travel (even over NM roads🤣), why couldn't they do the same here? Everything has to be removed and stored separately, just saying. The USB outlets on the side of the theater seats NEED TO BE MOVED....everytime you shift the plug on my phone/tablet gets pulled out or the cord is nearly bent in half. Finally, I personally liked the the bowl sinks in the bathroom. Just wished there was a fold down teak seat instead of the current model. Loved all the storage inside and out. Thank you for the wonderful videos and I wish you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving, gobble till you waddle 🦃 🏄♀️❤❤❤ Sending XOXOXOX's from San Diego.
Agree on the seats. Ty
Hey Uncle Josh hope you're having a great day? I think the heat pump is actually 16500 btu's. I like the fact you can have a half bath or a butlers pantry.but me personally I would opt for the half bath because I don't like people having to go through my bedroom to get to the bathroom. Montana does it right every time.
I believe you’re right!! 16,500
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Hay thanks nerd 🤓 !
Currently owned unit #6 is a Montana. Very impressed with build quality and Interior styling compared to others. Retirement is right around the corner and most certainly will be looking at a floor plan like this. Montana keeps on knocking it out of da park.
Happy holidays to all 2022 !
That’s high marks considering your experience! Thank you
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
1/2 bath- I'd keep it a bathroom. If someone is spending the night in the living area, not only does that 1/2 bath mean I don't get disturbed, it also means the guests don't feel awkward trying to sneak through.
The usb port in the inside of the arm of the couch is useless to me. Yes, I'd be concerned about it breaking the cord, but more so I don't want it digging into my thigh. Put it on the end or just don't bother.
I wouldn't want to move the laundry down to the kitchen. Leave it where the dirty clothes are.
Thinking about converting a couch area to a desk...why couldn't you put desks perpendicular to the larger slide window- so they are under the side windows instead of along the full side? You'd have 2 small desks, use 1 for the computer and the other for desk space. There might be room for a 4"-6" shelf along the window for stuff and an elbow rest.
Then you'd only fall off sideways, you'd be more likely to protect your noggin. 😜
Agree on guests and half bath
I wish I had that kind of money to get one. I love it, it would be perfect for me!
Love front living campers!
Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
I think no dual sinks and stacked washer and dryer
I purchased a 2021 Forest River Sierra 391FLRB 5th wheel. This Montana is very similar, but I must say, based on what features my Sierra had, I think the Sierra is better. I’ll attach 2 UA-cam videos of it and you can decide. Unfortunately, in the first video, everything wasn’t shown, but is shown in the second video. Josh, I’d really like to know your opinion. Thanks.
Would love to retire into one like this but I still got a couple decades before that. Would definitely go BP as I hate the idea of taking the browns to the super bowl in the kitchen. Would definitely be interested in the washer dryer hookups there too.
I don't like that the AC is black inside. Looks weird
I love the fl version because of all the storage it's liveable for someone who wants to cut down but still have access to video games and series/movies and have a fewer nice things out but having less square footage I just wish it had the option for 🪜 stepladder for someone who is 4'11 shortage but I love the amount of space 🌌🚀 in each room and the layout is just perfect for me and looks fun for kitties 🐈 and doggies 🐕 and I'm all about my animals and games
Dogs and Games.. i think you’re my daughter’s spirit animal
Can another person be someone’s spirit animal?! Lol
@@JoshtheRVNerd I love all animals if I could I'd have all kinds of animals except for snakes and spiders or anything like spiders but I definitely love all animals including deer 🦌 horses and elephants 🐘 if I could I'd have an elephant and a horse 🐎 but it's not possible but that is how much I love animals but I'm aware that it's not possible unfortunately
That BP is the perfect place for a laundry which will give full closet space in the bedroom, its the only thing stopping me from buying one. The way it is now with a washer in the bedroom you lose too much hanging space
A lot of people have had requests like this and I wish we could do that for you as it does sound pretty awesome
Nice
This thing is the kind that makes me smile big! We would love a separate living area and kitchen! I'd prefer the butler's pantry. Don't care for vessel sinks and only need one sink. Those sinks are too close together for two adults to do what they need to do without getting in each other's way. Beautiful unit though. Kinda what we're looking for.
Josh... You seem to be as forthright about your experiences and insider information as you are able to be. Would you share your thoughts on this and other like Montana models with regards to the slew of frame failures for some 5th wheels recently. Also, the slides on these and their reliability. Thank you! Tim Stevens
Neither of those brands has been heavily associated with it. Some certainly but not a massive wave
I really haven’t heard of a lot of Montanas encountering the flex problem. A few alliances but almost always with a swapped out pinbox the rig wasn’t made for (I don’t blame a customer for that - I blame the lack of consumer education and the dealer hitch shops that willingly took their money)
Alliance has actually been good from what I’ve seen about backing their clients even in those cases for the most part (provided the customer didn’t start off at a volcano rage level)
Alliance Facebook owners group has seen nearly zero discussion of flex as it really hasn’t been found a lot there
Jayco has also done fantastically overall
I’m really diggin the upstairs living rooms on these fifth wheels. It’s kinda nice n cozy up there. And I love this Montana. You definitely need a one ton dually to haul this beast around.🤙
It’s nice having that separation if you’re going to be in them a while
@Josh the RV Nerd at Bish's RV -- Please elaborate on what 1200 watts of solar can do or cannot do.
Technically solar does nothing but charge your battery. Nothing else.
The other hardware that often goes along with it is what makes it "do stuff"
Usually that size of solar package is capable of running anything and everything in the RV - albeit for a limited amount of time
Cranking the A/C for instance will still overpower the system quickly
Almost perfect! Now that the bathroom is on the lower level you raise the living room! So instead of climbing e stairs to go, I'd have to climb down 3 stairs to get there! Yikes! I'm looking for something with a kitchen, living room and bath all on the same floor level. As much as I love the luxury of a 5th wheel. With my knees that don't bend enough to climb stairs very well and needing to always get to the bathroom in a hurry. Sadly I don't think a 5th wheel like this one is a good fit for me. I do love it tho. Maybe a pull behind or toy hauler? Idk I'm getting discouraged 😞
Check cougar’s front living or reflection’s new one
Ok I'll try and find them.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Beautiful floorplan and beautiful RV👍I definitely prefer 1 sink and more counter space, but the sinks don’t bother me as much as having to look at the dirty looking doors of the farmhouse😢Please offer an optional bathroom decor🤞
Thanks Nerd. PS the bathroom sinks are just dumb. As usual great review and video.
Would totally prefer additional counter space to two sinks in an area that's really too small for two sinks to work well.
Ty
Why do these fifth wheel trailers NOT have stabilizers at the very rear of the trailer. Why are there ever just six and not eight?
Oh yes great Video. 😅
Ty!!
I'm looking for a pre-owned 2021 3761FL, any information would be greatly appreciated.
Drop our team a note at www.bishs.com/contact-us and let them go to work for you finding something!
Not a fan of the duel sinks myself. also wish Montana would go to the fold down shower seat.
Those really can be nice
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Thanks nerd 🤓
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What is “”Limited Road Mode Access?”
In the video I close the slides up and show you what’s accessible
Josh, I love the front living room design, but I want a toyhauler. Does anyone other than Grand Design Momentum 376THS
offer this floor plan?
I agree the Fuzion 410 needs to come back in production.
Riverstone is about the o my other still making it
EVERYONE used to
But most weren’t popular
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Dear Josh l am in total accordance with you that a living room is a living room and a kitchen well you get my drift. Josh l will ask you a ? to see if finally someone can answer me l will try to put this in the best way l can. Josh what are the widest slides ever put on fifthwheels to determine the width of an RV. THanks for trying to help me as you gave done in the past.😮😊
Deep slides are usually about 3ft
Some go up to 42”
Thanks a lot Josh
The optional TV spot in the kitchen allows for TV viewing from the half bath ..... I forget your nerdism for this lol.
Toilet TV Certification
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
bath or pantry, hard choice.... guess it would depend on how often other people likely to be in there. i would rarely use it but for taking a leak... but if i have the new neighbors at camp ground over... they are basically total strangers at that point... dont want them going thru bedroom..... if having a party of all well known friends, still dont want everyone back and forth thru the bedroom.... but i do not know enough people to have a party out in the desert these days, and am not all that likely to invite strangers inside, just hang out outside....... plugs on seats where your legs are... are stupid totally.... just asking to break the plug or the jack as you get in and out, or even just move around during a movie. anywhere is better than there, outside in front, outside on side, in side the arm rest all far better. anywhere but where they are..... washer dryer hookups would be nice.. would take that in place of half bath any day.... 2 sinks in a bathroom is almost useless.... nice for 2 people to have their own crap around their own sink i guess.... but in all my years i never been in the bathroom at the same time as my girl, unless in shower together.. but anyway.. ... not crapping as she brush her teeth, not brushing my teeth as she putting on makeup.... would even rather go pee outside than do that...chatting and doing what you do in the bathroom together just seems ... not right to me.
Yeah if frequent overnight guests the half bath would be great
If purely couples camping, then i would go pantry
Hi! My name is Renato, and currently, I live in Brazil. In January/2023, I'm going to move to Orlando, FL, to study for three years. How can I buy an RV being an immigrant student? I will appreciate any help.
Best regards. Renato
Bom dia Renato! I am afraid I am not very familiar with how someone in that scenario may acquire rv financing though cash is always an option
Perhaps someone local or a bank you use locally could assist at that time??
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Love this floor plan. Actually wish they made one without bathroom or pantry and just shortened by 3-4 feet instead. Dual sinks in the bathroom is a waste to me. Would rather just have the one and the extra counter space.
Trick with shortening like that is the entire kitchen or something else would need redesigned since there’s a slide there. Can’t shrink one side of the RV without matching on the other
Designs are such a pain like that
BUT.. I get what you’re saying “Give me a shorter front living” basically :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Exactly. I’m devastated that the Grand Design 346FL is now the 3460FL. That was the perfect RV for us and we just can’t find a replacement for it at that length. My wife and I are left scratching our heads going now what do we do?
I'm sorry I got mixed up. I thought this one had the office, it must've been the 1/2 bath that threw me off. Sorry
Np!!
How is anyone able to have a beautiful RV such as this one, and obtain a loan or financing for it? Banks won't lend if you're going to live full time in it!? It's so disappointing to get one picked out only to be told this rule ...🙁
I would say its only for people that are wealthy.
Not a joke, just don’t tell them it’s for full-time. The RV people knew it would be for us, but we didn’t tell the bank that. It’s easiest to get if you have lived somewhere a long time, that way they don’t think it will be for full-time. If you don’t have a permanent address with strong history then you’re less likely to get the loan. We got ours even with not the best credit history and we were told many people with better credit than us and bigger down payments are still denied. He believed, the loan officer, that my very secure job (high school math teacher at same school for years) and long history at our residence played a big role. People with more work history of bouncing between jobs and a lot of moving are more easily denied even if they make more money than me.
I got a loan for my class c and I live in it. I got insurance to cover me living in it. I had no problems.
It’s very difficult to borrow over $100,000 because unlike a home that builds equity, the banks know that by the time you pay off the RV in 10-15 years it is probably only going to be worth $20,000😢
Cash is king
do re mi is from sound of music; not mary poppins. d’oh
Well I guess the hills really are alive with the sound of music.
But what are we going to do with Maria?
haha ok fair enough… it is a technicality. just factchecking lol. love your channel i watch every single video.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh tahnks fir all dis its great to sea u at birdie
Dually 1-ton 3500
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What is Air Traffic Controller lighting? Lmao
- an ATC
No dual sinks , no vessel sinks.. The voices in my head say you are not crazy !
Lol
No need for 2 sinks imo
Keystone's quality has gone down the tubes. Our brand new 5th wheel has so many quality issues, nail holes covered but never sanded, or stained over, and now this morning it is 20 degrees outside and the water is frozen. So their "0-110" is a lie...
No I want A Front Bedroom Rear Living
Park it backwards LOL :)
41 feet long ...
A toilet just beside the kidchen -- gross!
I'm not happy with these RV 😢. you are sweet but no . anything else you may have is close to the 3750
Sorry she’s not made any longer