Ways Project L Can Change the Fighting Game Genre

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  • @Amaling
    @Amaling Рік тому +64

    I am extremely doubtful that Project L will release with significant if any single-player content. League is notorious for being extremely feature-limited especially with League of Legends and especially with any potential PVE (as far as I know there was pretty much two limited modes that were treated and gimmicks and removed after a few weeks, and this is in the entire decade+ lifespan). Valorant has no PVE either, just don't see Project L having any especially since the game is taking quite a while to produce
    The two biggest aspects of this game, which I'm surprised wasn't talked about, is the bigger money in FGC tourneys for Project L, and bringing in new playerbase. F2P aside, a fair amount of league addicts and especially Chinese league addicts may try it out. Chinese playerbase is extremely lacking for fighting games, we got a couple of pros and a ehh-sized Chinese community for street fighter at best. A PC-focused F2P fighting game with league characters they're exposed to can literally get millions of people into fighting games for the first time

    • @Zevox87
      @Zevox87 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, I'd say put any expectations of much single-player stuff from Project L out of your mind. Even not having played League or its other associated games, just having played other F2P games, those don't really split their focus like that, they're mostly either PvE (single-player/co-op) or PvP (multiplayer/co-op) focused, with little to no overlap. It'll surely have training mode type stuff, probably a simple arcade mode, but I wouldn't bet on much more.

    • @meethepie
      @meethepie Рік тому +3

      LoR (the card game) has a good PVE scene, but yeah I highly doubt Project L will have any single player especially considering the pace of development.

    • @aquamanzx
      @aquamanzx Рік тому +1

      Yea league universe is so big and they have enought singlebplayer game that share the same cast they can just told you "if you want ___ content go play ___ instead"

  • @doveingly
    @doveingly Рік тому +30

    arcsys 2.5D characters have an insane amount of work put into their models and animations. even just making one new outfit for one character up to their standards would be way more work than arcsys (which i need to remind people, is still a pretty small company!) could really expend for a cosmetic unless bandai paid them literally buckets for it. even revelator elphelt's outfit has visual bugs in some of her animations that aren't in her sign outfit so with that in mind i was never /that/ surprised they didn't basically create entire new character models and animate them for what would be like max 8 bucks completely cosmetic DLC, the profits of which wouldn't even go to them.

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +12

      Yeah, it's a known thing in the ASW community. But you would figure that bamco would be willing to pay, especially with how many copies they sold.
      Edit - I mentioned it too with granblue, obviously the weapons aren't the same as full on costumes, but it's clear it can be done.

    • @doveingly
      @doveingly Рік тому +2

      @@LordKnightfgc yeah tbf it does sound like a bandai thing to want to do but maybe arcsys shot it down. i mean i was amazed videl even had an alternate costume. though i do agree that they should have had more dlc stages at least for dbfz. those would be more likely for most people to purchase and there’s a lot of famous locations that just got left out of the stage roster.

    • @cristianotsurudaprocopio8757
      @cristianotsurudaprocopio8757 Рік тому

      @@doveingly All of this you just said, plus balance issues. They would have to invest a lot for an alternate costume, with the added risk of affecting the readability of certain moves, which is kind of a big deal specially for fighting games.
      This is actually an issue that happened a bunch of times with League. Things like Twisted Fate's cards seeming smaller than their actual hitboxes when using his Q ability in his "Underworld Twisted Fate" skin. Or Zigg's W ability being difficult to see when using one of his skins in the ARAM map (which has yet to be solved, and probably will never be, as it is not an issue on the Summoner's Rift main mode map). Skin QA will likely be a huge headache for the devs going forward.

    • @memzdotexe4127
      @memzdotexe4127 Рік тому

      @@LordKnightfgc The main reason you have tons of alternate costumes in other 3D games like Street Fighter or Tekken is because cloth and hair have their movement calculated by the engine, that means you don't have to manually animate that stuff. Arcsys's 3D style is possible because the models are animated like 2D animation, they don't use the engine to calculate movements, EVERYTHING is animated by hand.

  • @okami7847
    @okami7847 Рік тому +9

    There's a good reason why ArcSystem Works don't make costumes. Their character animations (hair, clothes, and shadows included) are all hand animated. If they make a new costume they'd have to re-adjust every single animation, including Supers and all to be in line with their new shadows and clothes.
    At that point they're just making a new character, so they just make new characters over costumes instead, which sells way more anyway.

  • @dankgothtrash
    @dankgothtrash Рік тому +17

    Sorry to tell you but, free to play competitive games don't really get single player content unless it's literally a card game.
    The only examples I know are either focused entirely on single player like Genshin, so they don't need to care about balancing and having 20000 different animations for every character.

    • @Sparda51
      @Sparda51 Рік тому

      A lot of gachas have single player content. Genshin and honkai just broke into western mainstream. RIOT usually just just does events though. Not much single player content.

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому +4

      @@Sparda51 Did you not read the whole comment?

    • @Sparda51
      @Sparda51 Рік тому

      @@dankgothtrash yeah you mentioned only Genshin which was why I mentioned Genshin and even gave you the benefit of the doubt including honkai. That you knew more then just Genshin at least.

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 Рік тому +9

    L needs good social features so co-op is more natural

  • @Genderkaiser
    @Genderkaiser Рік тому +1

    It would be cool if characters had unique team interactions, like if you were playing a team with (for example) Vi and Cait they'd have a unique intro and winscreen

  • @Madni016
    @Madni016 Рік тому +2

    I don't think anybody should expect any kind of extra content from Project L. A lot of the big fighting games have reached a point where they feel that they NEED to add content to their game to:
    1. Justify their price
    2. Appeal to the casual audience to bring in more players
    (Justifying the price with more single player content is essentially appealing to the casual audience too, but I've heard some FGC folk say it's getting ridiculous paying AAA pricing for online and tutorial/combo trials only)
    Project L will be free to play. It already appeals to the casual audience just like that. And hence shouldn't feel indebted to add copious amounts of content since the game.. is literally free.

  • @melohopkins5480
    @melohopkins5480 Рік тому +1

    I think one of the biggest things will be how much effort they’re putting into the 2v2 and 1v2 systems . It it works well I can see more fighting games putting that same effort in if it’s successful

  • @jscriber100
    @jscriber100 Рік тому +5

    GB Rising will be a big contributer. In the original, the lobby system is so accessible that even with netcode plagued by Za Warudo, people return to shake the rust off. This coupled with a new casual approach is gonna be explosive, in a good way.

  • @tigerar3976
    @tigerar3976 Рік тому +2

    ki is free to play and is active no discord needed

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому

      KI isn't necessarily F2P. Just a really generous demo.

  • @spiffythealien
    @spiffythealien Рік тому +1

    I remember when the FGC remembered that the Soulcalibur series had singleplayer content. Then Bamco decided Tekken needed *all* of the budget...

  • @cinders8144
    @cinders8144 Рік тому +14

    Money, money and more money.

    • @MrKilljay
      @MrKilljay Рік тому +3

      Don't expect million dollar tournaments. They already said they're not doing that.

  • @aquamanzx
    @aquamanzx Рік тому +3

    The only downside i hope not every game after will follow is game becoming f2p/always online. So if oneday dev want to pull the plug on server noone will be able to playanymore
    It mainly what i dont like about shooter and moba so i hope the entire fg wont become like that if project L did change the landscape

  • @declancrawford8799
    @declancrawford8799 Рік тому +5

    Let's go L k

  • @ThxMiketsukami
    @ThxMiketsukami Рік тому

    I would prefer a more complete game but I think they probably gonna release a pretty bare bones open beta, do some minor balance patches along side a battlepass with cosmetic profile stuff, chat stickers/emojis, taunts, intros, outros and a character or an alternative color every month... And after ~1.5 years a bigger patch for a full release.
    The moba and the shooter are team base, and the auto chess and the card game are versus, they definitely has experience with all kinds of ranked modes but I still wonder how its gonna be you a platinum/diamond player + your silver friend versus another player(s).
    Hope they don't reset ranks, just reset the player battle pass LV.
    A robust training mode like SF6 is obligatory, you have to do it, its just so good, so my top 1 feature would be playable replays since those assist games seems to have pretty tricky setups, would so much easier not having to learn how to execute all of them and just lab through replays.

  • @kyleflournoy7730
    @kyleflournoy7730 Рік тому

    There needs to be a bunch of single player modes and options as well. Smash is the biggest fighting game and imo a big part of that is bc it has story mode and break the targets and home run contest and special fight mode. The idea of being a full and complete video game is highly important here.

  • @BDDterror
    @BDDterror Рік тому

    I definitely agree like 3 to 4 month missed stuff fix then 8 or 9 month real ballance patch then every 6 month to a year updates and dlc balancing

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN Рік тому

    I didn't think about how Project L is one of the first big Pc focused fighting games
    PL doing a lot of interesting stuff

  • @dritzzka6177
    @dritzzka6177 Рік тому

    I'm still surprised that GGS doesn't even have retro costumes yet.

  • @maxowy9039
    @maxowy9039 Рік тому

    6:27 anybody know this stick the dev are using ?

  • @antonsimmons8519
    @antonsimmons8519 Рік тому +2

    I'm simply hoping L will be less "mental stack" heavy than SF6. That drive system is making me insane, to the point I can't play that game for more than like 45 min in a day.

    • @BardsOnAHill
      @BardsOnAHill Рік тому +2

      I hope you have fun with it, but - tag fighters tend to have more options to worry about. SF6 is a pretty simple system as far as FGs go, it’s just a meter tied to chip in a SF game. Maybe the 2v1/2v2 will help reduce that load for you idk. Try out something like Marvel or Skullgirls or DBFZ to get an idea of what a Tag game is like, to gauge your interest. I hope you do like it though!

    • @antonsimmons8519
      @antonsimmons8519 Рік тому +1

      @@BardsOnAHill I've played a lot of fighting games, and at least half of them were significantly less complicated than just the drive system lmao. I own several tag games, including the ones you've mentioned.

    • @frothyslider253
      @frothyslider253 Рік тому

      But those 45 minutes are pretty awesome right?

  • @gumsnack
    @gumsnack Рік тому

    Im wondering if you could take a look at my fighting game on dreams ps4 it's not perfect but I'm trying

  • @mendyexile2507
    @mendyexile2507 Рік тому

    I watched a video introducing the fighting system in Project L. It persuaded me that I will not play this game. It’s too much for me. I like street fighter because it’s just complicated enough. Trying to grasp Project L gave me a headache lol. Also (out of subject) may I say that you look so clean. I like your face. You look friendly. Thanks 4 your videos

  • @andytheindividual3862
    @andytheindividual3862 Рік тому +3

    Bruh.. why you gotta bring up no costumes in dbfz 😭

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +4

      Had to, that and stages were a massive L.

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому +3

      @@LordKnightfgcIt would be basically impossible to make skins in DBFZ because of the way it's animated. There's 3D models, but it's animated like a 2D game and almost every tiny pixel is perfected to get that beautiful art style.
      It would literally be like making a whole new character.

    • @limb-o7180
      @limb-o7180 Рік тому +1

      @@LordKnightfgc it's significantly harder to make skins in arc sys games because of the way they're animated, they don't do simulated cloth physics, they're keyframed by hand.

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +1

      Yes, this point has been repeated to death. Been a thing since they switch to HD sprites. It's a point I bring up because the licensed games (like DBFZ) are partnerships, so my surprise comes from the fact that dbfz sold as many copies as it did but bamco still didn't want to go the alternate costume route, where Cygames included some cosmetic changes (ofc weapon swaps are not as demanding as new costumes)

  • @niwona_
    @niwona_ Рік тому

    The scariest/potentially most unfortunate byproduct of this game might be where the discussion on offline locals goes from a dev of predominantly online fanbases.

  • @604ckur
    @604ckur Рік тому

    Where’s podcast with your boy????

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +2

      Gonna resume after EVO, schedule has been super screwed recently, sorry 😞

  • @MageKirby
    @MageKirby Рік тому

    LK grew a beard and now look like Kyrie Irving o-o

  • @GFClocked
    @GFClocked Рік тому

    Sf4 ibuki still the coolest technical character. Prove me wrong

  • @ggplayer1170
    @ggplayer1170 Рік тому +4

    I don't think it will have singleplayer content since it's going to be a free to play game (as they have confirmed before). They have RPGs and action games for people who want singleplayer story based League experiences, and they all cost money. The main (RTS) game has no singleplayer content whatsoever either.

    • @solitudesf8111
      @solitudesf8111 Рік тому +1

      legends of runeterra has amazing PvE mode that rivals PvP in popularity. so there is a small chance for some singleplayer content/mode.

    • @NicoNicoAP
      @NicoNicoAP Рік тому +2

      LoR does actually have decent singleplayer content IMO. Hell I completed a battlepass exclusively playing the singleplayer rougelite mode. LoL, TFT, and Valo are barren of it though.

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому

      @@solitudesf8111Thats a card game.

  • @scar432
    @scar432 Рік тому +1

    excelent points LK, but p5 arena will INVENT fighting games

  • @misplaydave
    @misplaydave Рік тому

    👏🏾👏🏾

  • @Globku
    @Globku Рік тому +2

    bruh

  • @ck4777
    @ck4777 Рік тому

    But can project L fix my marriage?

  • @The_Rum
    @The_Rum Рік тому +1

    Riot made an empire out of a singular f2p game. That span music videos, tv show etc. They will definitely show some of these "sleeping" dev how to properly monetize a game to its potential.

  • @pieoverlord
    @pieoverlord Рік тому

    Shout out to Rhyme and Doto by name but not Seereax? Racist!
    But seriously, I still have no idea why no other series has done something like the Unlimited characters in the older BlazBlues, where you can unlock busted super boss versions of each character with different moves and mechanics. You're telling me Unlimited ranked wouldn't pull in and retain a huge number of casuals?

  • @degisndinga8853
    @degisndinga8853 Рік тому

    Yeahhh we mk fans watching you 👀 😂

  • @iwatchDVDsonXbox360
    @iwatchDVDsonXbox360 Рік тому

    On consoles you could have traded game you doesn't like. So, for me f2p is not a big deal. Games on consoles were always kind of f2p and even better, because you could have had entire game for free.

  • @condescending28
    @condescending28 Рік тому +1

    There is no Motion Inputs, its a dead game to ME from the jump. That's the biggest way to kill a Fighting Game for me is if it does not have Motion Inputs. I love the feeling of executing them at the right space, situation & time. Plus I love it when Characters have more tools to work with & that's what Motion Inputs gives you the ability to do. Thank God we still have SNK.

    • @BardsOnAHill
      @BardsOnAHill Рік тому

      I feel you, and I also love motions, but the fact that it’s a tag game will mean there’s a lot of satisfying combo sequences.

    • @condescending28
      @condescending28 Рік тому +1

      @bardsonahill6180 the game looks visually cool, movement and all. But without that feeling in my hands of the Motion (Pause) lol its not going to feel fun to me.

  • @Zevox87
    @Zevox87 Рік тому

    Honestly, while I like everything I'm seeing out of Project L gameplay-wise, I'm mostly afraid of it changing things about the genre at this point in time. Because I think by far the biggest thing that will set it apart is begin free to play, and I hate everything that comes with that. Needing to grind (or pay) to unlock almost any characters, daily quests, battle passes, trying to monetize every damn thing, more frequent patches just for the sake of changing things rather than to address any legitimate problems, etc. I will happily pay the $60 up front to not have to deal with that shit, thank you.
    Hell, some of that's been snuck into SF6 already, which is frightening in itself given it's mostly gone under the radar. Fortunately there most of it is harmless because it isn't attached to anything meaningful, but there's no good reason for it to be there anyway. And part of it is harmful there already - you can't buy the DLC characters for their actual cost anymore, it's either buy the pass or pay for in-game currency, which you can't buy the exact amount you need for the characters. I was going to get Rashid when he came out, but when I found out the minimum I'd need to pay is $10, I decided there's no way in hell I'm rewarding Capcom for that scummy move. So, guess I'm not getting any DLC characters from SF6. And if SF6's popularity and success spurs other devs to do the same thing.... and Project L will surely have more of this sort of thing since it will be an actual F2P game...
    Well, I don't want to see a future where I need to wonder whether I even want to keep playing the genre, and I fear that's where this slippery slope could end up.

    • @QGfk1
      @QGfk1 Рік тому

      my advice to you is to just ignore every single other aspect and just play the game. I know it feels grimy bc it is and it's not what you're used to but the traditional way most fighting games are monetized (full price for almost no content, then paying out the nose for every new character) is also grimy and affects gameplay. the difference is that you're used to being held upside down and having your pockets emptied that way. the monetization model riot and most other competitive games use is purely cosmetic. this means unlocking characters is more consumer friendly than full priced games. it's about 5 hours of playtime to unlock a new character in valorant.

  • @KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES
    @KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES Рік тому +1

    I hope it makes SF6 change its matchmaking system. It's so garbage

  • @LordCrimson78
    @LordCrimson78 Рік тому +1

    Their gonna have to sell something…. Game is free. weapon skins are my bag….. I’ll buy them all.

  • @Seama327
    @Seama327 Рік тому +7

    Bro. The single player in Street fighter 6 is so bad, people need to stop saying it’s good🤦‍♂️

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому +6

      Ikr. The FGC just has an agenda to push anything that lets a AAA big budget came capture casuals. They will literally tell you no motion inputs, simplified gameplay, and a greedy battle pass system would be good if it attracts just ten casuals.

    • @GameFreak5556
      @GameFreak5556 Рік тому +5

      I'm so glad I'm not alone with this. The content in sf6 single player is NOT GOOD it would be better for players to literally just download the game without it cause it just bloat software for it. It literally gives nothing to street fighter at all.

  • @decksteroussnail
    @decksteroussnail Рік тому +3

    Sad that Japanese devs couldn't even decide on using rollback netcode for 10+ years and fighting games are incredibly behind other genres.
    Tired of Japanese developers.

    • @dankgothtrash
      @dankgothtrash Рік тому +4

      They're really not. Some of y'all just hate fighting games.

  • @jacobdrag
    @jacobdrag Рік тому

    First!

  • @Silverado-pq6xe
    @Silverado-pq6xe Рік тому

    Why is every fgc UA-camr talking about this game still? It’s over 2 years away and we still haven’t seen more than 4 characters and very early gameplay footage. It’s not like this is a hot topic anymore. I don’t care to hear your speculations about a game that isn’t even close to coming out

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +2

      I'm gonna try it in the floor at EVO, so yeah I'm going to talk about it.
      Also a bunch of people got invited to try out the game a couple of weeks ago, so that's why you're seeing more vids on it for the moment.

    • @Sparda51
      @Sparda51 Рік тому +2

      You may not care, but some people care. I’m still hyped for league fighting game

    • @Silverado-pq6xe
      @Silverado-pq6xe Рік тому +2

      @@LordKnightfgc sorry, I didn’t know about evo

    • @LordKnightfgc
      @LordKnightfgc  Рік тому +3

      all good, it's hard to keep up with everything