Artificial Rarity - Modern Video Games Aren't Valuable!
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Modern video games are in trouble! There's serious problem in the gaming community and it needs to be addressed. Why are so many games that are released today going for stupid money When they can still be manufactured? In this video we discuss concerning state of the game industry, collecting, FOMO, and why it's up to us, the gamers. To set things right before it's too late.
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You either die a collector or live long enough to become a reseller.
That's a funny. And not far off from the truth. Though if I did sell it would only be some of my collection I don't think I have the energy to chase down a bunch of games to try to flip. But I got a reseller friend who has the knack for it and she makes quite a bit.
Exactly thats the sad part of this Hobby.
Why not both?
I have been collecting since the late 80's and I will NEVER be a scalper or a reseller.
I disprove this
I’m tired of hearing ppl complaining about games losing money because they do it only for greed and profit! Stop buying as an investment, just buy what you play and love!
Preach it my friend. I'll never understand value enthusiasts in this community. To me they ruin it. Because games are meant to be played and enjoyed. It's entertainment as in it's supposed to entertain you. There's nothing entertaining about putting something on a shelf and hoarding it for years because you hope it can be worth a lot of money. This isn't the Mona Lisa in a mansion somewhere It's a dang game. The sooner value is taken out of this equation the sooner we can get back to enjoying games for what they were meant for. Thanks so much for watching. Also nice Indiana Jones picture.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Exactly! Completly agree with you 👍 Thanks
This is a 1000% true. I've been collecting 15+ years, and I'll admit youtubers continuously discussing hidden gems and artificial rarity is one of the many big issues in the community.
great video.
@@shinmegamitalks yep and they're only doing it because it makes their games more valuable. I mean they're the ones with the big money they're constantly get hand outs. They even e-beg their viewers for money through patreon Super chats etc which is by far the grossest and cringiest thing I could ever see. And I like and put out a lot of cringe humor. So when I'm telling you that's super cringe it definitely is. But there are good UA-camrs out there who will spread the word of a small game and help get it the love and attention it deserves. So there's always two sides to every coin. Thanks so much for watching.
Damn right, been collecting for 20+ years now, and recently got called a 'business man', for not trying to get scammed by an overprized copy of Silent Hill 4... geezus what has the collector space turned into. Bunch of crypto bros trying to make a quick buck.
@@definitelyzeblackcat743 The collector's space isn't for collectors anymore it's for value seekers people that want to use video game like it's the stock market they use video games as an investment not for something they actually care about like or even enjoy. Not to mention UA-cam and twitch has destroyed gaming even more because you got all these people that are making channels called collecting when reality it's just to make them money or to get free stuff.
Speaking of artificial rarity, Limited Run Games, which I should mention literally owns the copyrights and publishing rights of several games, has been vocally against the reprinting of games. It genuinely sucks.
@@FunkyStudios It's definitely unfortunate that companies are using FOMO tactics in order to make their physical releases more valuable and rare. I'm for reprinting games as much as possible so everybody can have a copy as long as the demand is there. It makes no sense that some people just have to miss out on owning a game they want because of those reasons. Thanks so much for watching.
If i can't find a physical copy of a single-player game. I WON'T EVER PLAY IT😂😂😂
Same here
Pathetic.
I completely agree with not paying above MSRP from resellers. The most fun part of buying and collecting to me is finding games at good prices. Doesn't feel good paying too much for stuff. Great video!
@@90shandheldgamer Thanks for watching. Yeah we all want to get games for a fair price. But we have let eBay scalpers resellers and even corporations tell us how much things should cost. FOMO and social media has ruined it. But that's why I'm doing my part to speak up about it. I don't care if it makes the corporations, resellers, and scalpers mad. I'm here for the gamers. People who love this hobby and want to continue to enjoy it. Nobody should ever have to pay past MSRP for a modern release that can be reprinted at any time. Be it a year from now or 4 years. If Sony Nintendo and Microsoft can still manufacture physical releases. Then there's nothing stopping any game that ever had a physical release from getting reprinted.
unless the game has been delisted and has been out of print for a few years like Deadpool, transformers on xbox 360, or most marvel games from the xbox 360 gen.
I just wish that every physical came with a disc and build that worked on it, unlike a digital code in a physical box…
@@CanadianZar me too my friend, I've gotten so frustrated by the poor state of physical releases. That I might as well just buy the PC copy. One of my friends got tired of it He's went straight PC and now he's like a hermit and a cave. There really is a lot of freedom with PC. But it's such a shame that consoles don't have that freedom. Or competitive prices digitally. Sony and Microsoft keep chasing that PC-like experience. But they forget that they can never truly be PCs because they're not going to offer that same freedom and options. So why should I pay $700 for a PS5 Pro that doesn't even come with a disk drive something I have to pay extra for. When I could get me a solid budget PC for that price and have so much more options available to me? It just makes zero sense to get Modern PlayStation or Xbox consoles. Nintendo switch and it's successor seem to be the last real physical game consoles. But I guess we'll see how true that is when the Nintendo switch 2 comes out. Thanks for watching.
THey figured out gamers will yell n scream on twitter and other platforms on pre-ordered games which means nothing to their bottom line so why not make physical games download tickets.
@Phil1Up_Collects don't get ps5 pro.i didn't get ps4 pro.i have ps5.i figured it out.they make cheap controllers.my controller thumb stick went broke.
Wait, that's a thing now?
it's rare to see a collector that is unironically (as opposed to others clearly being ironic, even if they lack the self awareness to realize it) an advocate for helping other people obtain physical games without having to pay such a ridiculous, inflated price. we need more people like you who identify the real issues surrounding this whole situation. I seriously dislike so many youtube collectors and resellers and "bargain hunters" because they are only in it for the money, and it has never felt honest or humble to me, which is something I truly appreciate in a content creator. so I for one, thank you for your efforts. during a time when so many would rather bilk the public, it's nice to see someone who is fighting against it. cheers
@@catatonichumanoid awwww 🥰🥰🥰 You're truly making my day with these comments. Thank you so much It's truly heartwarming. I just love gaming because it was a cherish pastime with me and my uncle. Something I'll talk more about in the video very soon. It is a shame that so many big UA-camrs and collector channels only care about making their collection more valuable and not about actually helping the community. As I said in a recent video I don't care if my collection ends up being worth pennies if it means other people can enjoy the games I have and have them in their collection. I will always be for the people and the community who love games not those who just want them for monetary gain. Games are meant to be loved enjoyed played and appreciated It's not for the elite or the rich snobby people in their ivory tower rubbing it and somebody's face like they have the Mona Lisa in their fancy pants mansion. The sooner we take this community back the sooner we can make gaming and collecting great again.
For me the reason is only 1, they want people to buy digitally, and one method is not to print the physical game and stop printing it.
the fact is when we were young, we didnt have much money to buy many games. so we played the one we had until it finished. that makes the retro games more valuabled for us. now a day we are worker and have money to spend many games as we want. many games we have barely had time to play. the modern games would become less valued for us
100% agreed spot on.
I really want the Astrobot ps5 controller but why should I pay $120 for it why would they not just keep making it….
@@seektruthnow. I would very much like that controller as well as the 30th anniversary. There is nothing stopping Sony from reprinting those. They choose to purposely make it limited. Because it sells more when everybody's ravenous about it. It's like putting one piece of cheese and a box full of ravenous hungry rats they're all going to claw bite and scratch and kill one another over getting that piece of cheese. Cut a black Black Friday Cyber Monday shoppers in the '90s over the tickle me Elmo lol 🤣 Thanks so much for watching.
That’s why I always buy when games are in sales. I never pay more than MRP price for any reason; this year I purchased 6 years old switch games because they are on 40% discount
@@KarthikeyanThangavel-pl1ek yep it's good to buy when you can. But some games like Final Fantasy 7 remake integrade in this picture. Get stupid expensive when something like that shouldn't have a shortage. Just like Final Fantasy pixel remaster. Square Enix is a AAA publisher in developer. So why are they limiting their physical releases? Why are the purposely making them expensive and artificially rare? Before the reprint of Pixel remaster nobody could get the game unless they shelled out hard for it. Now that we have these reprints I got my physical PS4 copy for $38 on Woot. But FF7 integrade is still not had a reprint. And there's no excuse for it. That's what we have to combat. Developers and publishers they're out of touch with their fans, greedy fomo tactics, and horrible scalpers.
@ they create FOMO. UA-camrs talk about how rare it’s so person not have an idea to buy gets and interest and curiosity; all will be sold when it’s reprinted.
One game I was wanting was Erica because I played it from PS+ and wanted it physical but irritatingly it was produced by one of those limited print companies I hate so much and so it's silly expensive for an indie title.
@@OwtDaftUK I'm sorry you weren't able to get a copy it's a shame when that happens.
I don't trust modern game rarity because modern games can always be reprinted.
@@ninjacape exactly the point of the video. It's artificial rarity. Because real rarity is something that takes place over a long period of time. Something that can no longer be made. It takes time for value to go up on things. But the modern market has totally screwed that up. And you can thank a lot of that due to social media influence. It's destroying the market and making things insane! That's why I'm speaking up about it. Because I hope that if enough people speak up. Then something can get done and maybe change things for the better. Thanks for watching.
Also on digital.
The fact is when gaming became mainstream, it introduced a new opportunity for resellers. I am a collector/reseller, since 1995, I have seen all the ups and downs, high prices are not going anywhere, gaming has become too big. Reprinting games will help mitigate pricing in the short term but as long as gaming keeps growing, it will not have a long lasting effect.
Also as a collector I want to have rare games, I don't want a collection the same as everyone else.
In terms of of artificial rarity, you could say that about most things. The fact is if games are not being reprinted, then they are rare, regardless if the means to reprint those games is there or not.
Strictly speaking, any disc based game can be reproduced with a common burner
Here from TikTok! Good video.
Awesome thanks for checking it out!
I would argue that most physical PS4/PS5 games are worthless anyway because once they turn the update servers off they will be useless except as beer mats or ornaments to sit on shelves anyway.
@@grimm4 that's untrue disc games work without Internet unless it's one that has some egregious shenanigans that require it.
@@Phil1Up_Collects I don't think I have come across many games on ps4 or ps5 that didn't require a patch the second you put the disc in. I respect your opinion though.
@grimm4 all modern games have patches but what I'm saying is that doesn't mean You can't still enjoy the game. It really depends on the quality of that initial build. Does it play does great work in testing games to see if the physical copies are decent enough even without the patches I would check out their website
Millenials are the last generation to care for physical games.
@@kaleodos I can see that argument. But if that is indeed true then scalpers and resellers are going to be out of a job real fast. 👀🤣 Jokes aside I think they'll always be someone nostalgic for physical media. Just look at vinyls Nobody cared about those for years and they have a resurgence. Even though digital music is easy to consume and doesn't take up space. They still print music on physical CDs. Some people just love a hard copy. And with how companies are so quick to tell everybody you don't own anything anymore and you have to constantly pay for subscription services and extra fees to get to enjoy any form of entertainment. I think people are starting to wake up and realize they don't like that direction things are going. So I guess we'll see how things play out in the next 10 or so years. Thanks so much for watching.
I have my original Warcraft battle chest. My physical copies of the Half-Life games. Got my old copies of Metal Gear. Other than that, I've been done with physical media since 2007. I didn't even know this kind of thing was happening. Such a shame.
@@hobosnake1 Unfortunately it is. And the more agreed the infects this hobby the more people are going to just say you know what? I'm good! Enjoy what they have and let other people act like fools online going crazy over artificial rarity and forced FOMO.
I can't say for sure that all companies rely on artificial scarcity. With so many people buying digital it's easy to to understand why a company would prefer to print a limited amount of physical copies as opposed to having to discount or liquidate inventory. Storage is also costly, so the entire process is more expensive than most people think. It's the same reason companies like Sega and Konami are outsourcing production to companies like limited run, it removes part of the risk. With that said, it's still difficult to understand why they wouldn't make more copies when the demand is clearly there.
And by the way, 3D all stars was only available and in production from sep to march, and production was high because people knew it was limited to a certain period. The price has increased, but Nintendo's sold over 5 million units
@@andreysegura2510 Yeah there's definitely a lot to factor in with that but there's nothing stopping these companies from reprinting them when they see that the demand is there I'm sure they know that some of these games go for crazy ridiculous prices on eBay They have the means to go search these games up just like you and I do So why do they sit there and ignore that? Why do they want to let the scalpers get rich off of the games they worked hard for? A simple reprint will knock down the aftermarket value of these games and make them money because people will want to buy it for retail cost overpaying a scalper double triple or quadruple the value. It really boggles the mind how out of touch they are with things like this. In certain situations I can understand but when it's a popular title like Final Fantasy Alan Wake or from a big AAA publisher it makes no sense. And when it comes to big AAA publishers it makes even less sense they would go through LRG to put out a standard or a collector's edition. Like for example Konami with Castlevania games, or how about the Dead Space collector's edition? Those are big companies and big IPs that people love all around the world You can't tell me that they wouldn't sell as a standard retail release. And you can't convince me that a dead space collector's edition wouldn't sell at retail when the original free games each had collector's editions that sold. It's craziness pure craziness.
@Phil1Up_Collects I definitely agree. Again, outsourcing to LRG makes sense, but just like Nintendo with the 'classic' consoles, they can certainly make more and meet the demand that is clearly there. Maybe in short print runs, a few thousands, measure the market and demand and make more if needed.
Preach king, luckily im so poor i can't afford to buy games and I will never start collecting games in the future due to these companies greed.
@@Gakki_Aniki haha Thank you for the kind words. I'm sorry to hear that. Buying full price games is definitely expensive. I always try to wait on a deal. A good way to make a little money is to use some of those receipt scanning apps. It's not much but if you bank it you can earn yourself multiple gift cards from Amazon Best Buy etc. I do it all the time and usually cash it out around the holiday season and that gives me some extra bucks. Besides most modern games aren't worth kidding day one physically. They have so many bugs and issues that it's best to wait for a sale.
1:55 - Because inflation means that the same dollar amount is worth less, and because as games became bigger, with larger worlds, more complex systems and interactions, and more high-res graphics that aim at achieving perfect realism, the costs of producing games went up. 30 years ago a few friends could make AAA games in their garage on a shoestring budget. Now you need a studio with dozens of developers to achieve the present-day AAA.
Meanwhile we still have hit indie games being made by 1 or two guys, and AA games being made by small teams. Those typically peak at $30 for the big releases, or about $10-$20 for smaller games. Some really small games can even go for about $5 despite offering better quality than AAA of 30 years ago.
The main cost of physical copies is the cost of developing the game. A disk, even 20 years ago, was only a few cents. A jewel case is probably also only a few cents. The jacket also probably also a few cents. You could ship a box with hundreds of these for a few dollars, so again only a few cents each. The rest of the money is for recovering the sunken costs of development, and then once that's taken care of, for profits which then become part of the sunken costs of the next project, which will have to be even bigger to keep up with the state of the art and stay competitive in the AAA race to photorealism and game worlds bigger than the universe.
I will detailed intelligent and very informative response Thank you for taking the time to comment. Video games really do cost quite a bit these days More money spent in them than probably should be. I know when it comes to AAA they are wasting way too much money than They need to be.
In Europe, we are still lucky that the games are produced for many countries and are therefore available for a longer period of time. Unfortunately, there are also many games that are no longer available here and imports are very expensive. Sometimes I have to pay twice as much for imported games because transportation, VAT and customs duties drive the price up. I also think VGP is great, but unfortunately it's also quite expensive for me. My guess is rather that the companies want people to buy digitally and therefore no longer re-release the games physically.
I'm sorry that you have so much struggles when purchasing games. We often don't think of how difficult it is for other countries to enjoy entertainment and actually own things. We Americans definitely take that for granted. It's so easy for us to go to Amazon and quickly make a purchase online and then get it in the mail. Whereas someone like you or other regions where video games don't have a strong market have to go through so many loopholes just to have a physical game. It's very unfair and that needs to change. They definitely are pushing us to go completely digital. But there are a lot of people within the community some companies that are trying to push back against it. Digital might be convenient and easier but that doesn't mean it's better.
Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii. Anyone remember this game. It was priced at $70 and then because of scarcity, it went up skyhigh. They reprint it and sold for $100. Decade later, it is $30. Why? It's on Switch.
Yup. Came out on Wii U eshop, 3Ds and switch. Too many ways to play for most people to end up seeking the Wii option despite that being my favorite version to play.
@@YURIARMY69and the remastered version is gonna be worth more than others in 20 years
@@tr1bes I remember that. People are going crazy trying to find a physical copy of it. Now nobody wants the Wii copy except for collectors or levers of the series. The remake really did enhance that game to make it so much better. And I think that's why the Wii copy isn't sought after. Now when it comes to paper Mario a thousand Year Door. Even though we got a enhanced version of that on Switch. It did not put a dent in the GameCube prices. Why I have no idea. But if it was up to me all of these old retro games would get a reprint or re-release both digitally and physically on modern consoles. If someone wants to kick from software in the butt to get them to release Kuon physically and digitally for current consoles I would absolutely love that. Because I don't want to pay $1,000 to get a PS2 copy of that.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Found both of your games along time ago for the right price. Cheap though.
Paper Mario Gamecube: Found it CIB at Goodwill for $3.
Kuon ps2. Found it at Amazon for $30. That was a decade ago. 2013. I was searching for all ps2 horror games. Kuon pop up and so did Ghosthunter, Eccho Night :Beyond and etc. (I got those 2 as well). I did want Rule of Rose but I wouldn't want to buy at that price (too expensive).
I can sell you Kuon. Offer a mere $1000. Lol. It's CIB as well. I didn't know it was rare. Honest. I didn't search for rare games, i just buy what I want for cheap.
A few games that are rare, I didn't know, that I have and I bought them cheap. Mostly, I am an RPG fan.
Magic Knight Rayearth $20
.hack quarantine $40 regular price
Xenosaga 3 holo edition $50 regular price
Kuon $30 Amazon
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy $10 Hollywood
Suikoden 2 $50 regular price
Persona 1 and 2 regular price
Dragonball Tenkaichi 3. Regular price
Megaman X2 snes regular price
There are more highly wanted and expensive games but I can't list them all. Takes too long.
Basically, mostly RPG on PS1 and ps2. Horror games as well, notably on ps2. A few on ps1.
dang talk about lucky. Sounds like you got a pretty good deal there. I don't usually get good deals on retro stuff. I always got to pay up for it. Probably the best deal I have ever gotten was all the Xeno Saga games on PS2 for around 100 or so dollars A friend saw that to me and the third game goes for that alone at the time so I was happy
I agree with your video. I forget what youtuber said it but they said that all ps5 games were going to have a limited physical releases for all games because they want us to buy digital (otherwise known as You'll own nothing and be happy) which is crap and has been causing the prices of ps5 games and some ps4 games that have free ps5 upgrades to gain insane value over the past year because people want physical not digital. now the only reason why xbox one/series x games aren't worth anything is because the majority of them are available on gamepass and also none of the games are actually playable without internet connection because the xbox console needs to download the game from the internet even though you own the disc to the game. at least with playstation you can put the game disc in and play without an internet connection or even a psn account for the vast majority of playstation games.
the only modern games that should be rare/expensive are collectors editions like the call of duty black ops 3 juggernog set that included the awesome mini fridge, or things like the 20th anniversary ps4 console that was limited to 1400 units same as the new ps5 pro 30th console. but the controllers and accesories that aren't limited to a set amount shouldn't be rare or hard to get.
only time one should buy a digital game is if its way to expensive to get physically and the digital copy is either cheaper or on sale for a really good price. otherwise just wait patiently.
Yeah it's truly a shame what's happening, we're getting less and less and they're wanting us to be happy with it. But I'm not because when they say they're giving us options with the disk drives and console refreshes digital storefronts and subscription services they're not giving us options they're disguising the fact they're slowly taking it away from us by using other means that seem more convenient or easier/cheaper until they pull the rug out from under us in the subscription services are the only option They triple in price and you no longer have a video game console that can actually play physical media. If that ever completely happens we are at the Soul Mercy of Sony Microsoft into a lesser extent Nintendo. And I'm just not comfortable with that. Sony wants people to not buy physical games by removing the disk drive selling it as an attachment that's hard to get with its limited stock and making less games That's what Microsoft did and they destroyed people's desire to buy physical games The online check-ins you can't actually play it from the disc without an internet connection even though you have the disc and the higher required print sizes to where some developers and publishers don't want to pay to have physical copies manufactured. And the facts that game pass has made Xbox fans so complacent and lazy to want to buy a game in a store The storefronts don't want to carry Xbox. I think in a few years Microsoft won't put out a console anymore they'll just put out controllers and try to have an Xbox application on every other device where you could just pay for Game pass. Microsoft was never in this industry for the love video games. They only gotten the industry to disrupt Sony from entering the PC space and now because they started the whole console warn nonsense Sony has been corrupted and tainted by Microsoft's business decisions. Because Sony investors saw the money Microsoft was making for online subscriptions paid online to play games and all the PC like shenanigans they put in their consoles. The Sony we used to love and know is practically gone.
The only game console and company we have left is Nintendo. But that all rides on what they do with their next generation and how they handle physical games. Thanks so much for watching.
Modern video games look pretty but are trash! like lipstick on a pig. No original story, horrible character development, woke ideologies, politics...the list goes on!!! I used to play video games to escape from all of life's problems, now all the problems are in video games for an "Modern Audience"
I agree with this. It's a shame what has happened with video games. I'm an adult I buy a M rated game and I have the company I bought the game from telling me I can't see some blood or jiggle physics. If that's the case then knock some money off the game for me because that's bull. I hate all the none gamer real world nonsense that put into games. I just wanna game and escape my problems for awhile. Why do you gotta mess with what wasn't broken?
Very well said the artificial rarity is out of control, Legacy of Kain remasters that were being sold on LRGs store sold out and that’s that. Not sure if that game will get another re print or not. It’s inexcusable that you literally take orders to print and run out it’s baffling. I know physical collectors like ourselves are slowly becoming smaller and smaller in collective sales but they can still print them and make everyone happy. It’s worrying to think how hard they are strangling physical owners. What’s the next gen going to look like or the one after that………
Great video discussion though and will check out your other videos for sure. ✊
@@MadnlooneyJR Thanks so much for watching the video. Yeah I saw that Really disappointing. Something is big as the legacy of kain series returning Should have had a widespread retail release. I went ahead and picked up the evercade cartridge collection because that's more readily available than a physical switch in PlayStation release And it's cheaper too. Just insane that for the bigger consoles with more user base they get a limited release but the evercade gets a widespread retail release with no limitations when it doesn't have anywhere near the user base that PlayStation in Nintendo has doesn't make any sense.
I feel exactly the same way and it's infuriating. Why can't I just get a physical copy of a game at a normal price these days? It's like everything you wanna buy you have to be ready to click that preorder button the moment it opens at the exact time stress stress stress or you won't get it. I can't even enjoy the game I bought now because there's another game I want coming up for preorder and I'm gonna miss out, better have this planned out!
@@DJ239 This comment needs so much more likes and appreciation. Because this is one of the truest statements about video games and game collecting. But not even collecting. Just with buying the occasional game. Maybe you only get a few a year, maybe you want to spring for that CE for one of your favorite IPs and it's super limited. It definitely sucks for everyone not just collectors of games. The problem is we turned it into a value money making thing and not about the love of video games. And because we did so now scalpers and resellers constantly take advantage of us.
This video needs more views! 100%
Aww that's so kind of you to say 🥰 I greatly appreciate it. Well please feel free to share the video around. I'm just a little small channel old man rambling at the sky and to anybody who will listen. I'm glad this video has reached the people as. 🥰
This is an interesting take on physical media I haven't come across. I knew retro gaming had gotten bad, but wasn't aware more modern games were in a similar boat.
Glad I'm not a collector.
@@TheKiltedGerman You're free from the worry and concern so I would say your lucky
The argument about "artificial rarity" overlooks several critical factors in the video game industry. To expect developers and publishers to manufacture copies of games perpetually to prevent high resale prices is not just impractical; it misunderstands the logistics and economics of production.
Estimating Demand is Not Simple:
Predicting how many copies of a game will sell is not an exact science. Publishers must balance the costs of production, storage, and distribution with the game's anticipated demand. Overprinting can lead to unsold stock that takes up warehouse space and incurs ongoing costs. These unused copies can become financial burdens, especially if the game underperforms.
Where Would Unwanted Copies Go?
The suggestion to overprint games assumes there’s infinite storage for unsold products. When a game’s lifecycle ends, the remaining stock must go somewhere. Without demand, those copies would sit in warehouses or be destroyed, both of which cost money and resources.
The Economics of Reprinting:
Printing another run of a game isn’t as simple as hitting a button. Publishers need to evaluate if demand justifies the costs of production, licensing, and logistics. If the market for a game is limited to niche collectors or secondhand buyers, the financial viability of reprinting may not make sense.
Resale Prices Reflect Scarcity, Not Publisher Malice:
The high prices in secondhand markets reflect supply and demand dynamics. If a game becomes rare and sought after, its price rises-not because publishers deliberately withheld copies, but because production naturally ends at some point. It’s not realistic to expect perpetual availability of every game ever made.
In summary, demanding that games be overproduced indefinitely to prevent secondhand price inflation is shortsighted. It's an unreasonable expectation for companies to cater to niche secondhand buyers at the expense of financial and logistical viability. This take is dismissive of the complexities involved in manufacturing, estimating demand, and determining the cost-effectiveness of reprints.
@@startedpvmer4117 That's a lot of fancy words and I'm pretty sure you had some solid points there. I wasn't implying that they need to reprint games indefinitely to where it becomes a financial burden. My point was they have the ability to reprint these games and there's nothing stopping them from doing so. But they should only do it if there is demand. It makes no sense to reprint things when there is next to no demand. That would be silly and to suggest that's what I implied is even sillier.
But if you want to worry about the financial burden and cost of reprinting games. How about we talk about all the times these big AAA companies in the game industry waste tons of money not to mention taxpayer dollars on stupid things nobody asked for like Concord. A 200 to 400 million dollar flop. On top of the overspending of marketing and live action cutscenes for games that are unnecessary. The foolish waste of spending for game awards and big events that don't matter when they could just do something cheaper like a live stream. So I don't really want to hear that reprinting games is a financial burden and is going to put a company in the hole. When these companies waste money flavorlessly all of the time. By doing things that gamers that should be their target audience don't want in favor of other audiences or investors who don't even play games or care about games or are completely out of touch with games.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Your argument oversimplifies the complexity of game reprints and company spending. While reprinting games may seem straightforward, the reality involves substantial financial and logistical considerations, including licensing, production, distribution, and marketing costs, even if the demand is moderate. It's not merely a matter of pressing "reprint" when gamers request it-each decision must factor in long-term profitability and the broader strategy of the company.
Moreover, your critique of "wasteful spending" overlooks the importance of large-scale marketing and events in maintaining a company's competitive edge in an oversaturated market. For instance, extravagant campaigns and high-profile projects like "Concord" may fail sometimes, but they also represent efforts to innovate and capture market attention, which is vital for sustained success. These ventures are less about immediate ROI and more about building a brand and staying relevant.
While catering to gamers is important, AAA companies must also consider their obligations to investors and the need to attract new audiences. These groups contribute significantly to a company's growth, and decisions are often made with long-term strategic goals in mind, rather than purely gamer satisfaction. Therefore, suggesting that reprinting games should always take priority over other investments oversimplifies the multi-faceted nature of decision-making in the gaming industry.
Yes brother it sucks in reality u are so right it’s like only a few people get these things enriching the scalpers
Yes it's truly a shame. I want everyone to be able to have the games they want.
A simple solution is to just pre order your games before they come out at your mom & pop stores, gamestop, or online store. That way you get your game and dont have to worry about the secondary market value.
As far as videogame values on the secondary market and reprints it is what it is. Comic books secondary market is similar. Sentiment and value goes hand in hand with supply and demand. You also got the speculation collectors who collect, buy, and sell based a games value and potential value due to rarity or pop culture significance.
@@Damackism I get what you're saying but you have to keep in mind that 60 to $70 for a game when there's so many games coming out all the time is hard for a lot of people to do. Especially if they live on a fixed income. Some people have to wait for some kind of sale. And then other times there's so many games coming out hundreds a week with physical releases collectors editions some people miss and announcement of a physical release and only find out about the game way after it's been out. Then when they go to look for a physical copy it's out of print and going for stupid prices. But like I said in the video any modern game that can be reprinted should not be going for expensive prices. Because as long as the factories are still throwing out switch, PS4, PS5, and Xbox discs. They only ones keeping us from having a physical is the developers publishers and license holders that don't want to reprint it.
@Phil1Up_Collects I feel you. All I can say it is what it is. Companies are trying to save money as well. Print runs of games these days are determined by popularity of game and demand i.e. pre orders.
I work at Gamestop. We wont get many copies of games genres that are known to have medium to small print runs. Unless it gets pre ordered. Retail stores don't make a lit of profit selling new games. So thats why a there are only a limited amount of physical copies of the game. %60 of gamers buy games digitally. So most modrtn games are not going tp have a high physcal print run.
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P1UC: Modern Video Games Aren't Valuable!
Modern Video Games:
Modern Video games aren't even actual GAMES!
Honestly with all the problems that so many of them have the code and boxes and then not putting the full build of games on the disc or cartridge I'm strongly leaning in that direction. Though they're always is exceptions to the rules.
As an Xbox Series X owner, I feel this in my soul. You don't even SEE games on shelves that have come out unless they are AAA titles. Indies and more niche games, forget it. Amazon only, and the price is not going down as it used to over time.
They want you to buy digital titles
@@michaelb2westgaedu That's because Game pass destroyed physical media on Xbox. Not to mention all that hidden DRM nonsense they decided to put in it with those smart delivery games being partial Xbox One partial series X and not dedicated disc builds for each platform. It means you still needed an internet connection in a big download just to play your physical disc. But that's what Microsoft wanted. Remember the Xbox One launch they tried to do a bunch of crazy nonsense that everybody hated them for? They didn't change their plan They just presented it a different way. And that new way is with Game pass. They made everybody rather pay for a "affordable subscription service" And by doing so found a way they could stop putting out physical disk media. And now anybody that wanted physical games for their Xbox platforms isn't going to be able to have them. And it's a real shame. That's why before you start thinking something is a "good deal" look deeper at it. Because you may just find out that deal isn't as good as you thought it was. Thanks so much for watching.
One exception would be indie developers. Once the Kickstarter or initial funding is gone so is the ability to manufacture. AAA titles today I would never spend that kind of money
@@coopleofnerds AAA titles are not worthy 60 or what is it now 80 they're asking for. Especially with how broken and incomplete they come. 30 and below is the recommended money I would say to spend on a AAA. Anything more than that You are just wasting cash. Thanks for watching.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Astro Bot, Lies of P, Stellar Blade, Black Myth Wukong.
Didn't watch yet, just saw title and said "no duh" but i've been saying this for decades now and normies just love the spells placed on them. They eat bad deals right up; they're like crack to them
Appreciate you taking the time to comment. Hope you decide to watch it. But yeah it's a problem for sure. Hopefully this video will help get people's brains to start thinking a bit deeper at things than just excepting things for how they are.
So I can thank VGP for tanking the value of Blue Reflection. I bought it sealed for 30 dollars on Amazon. Never got around to playing it and saw that it went up to 100 plus. Decided to get the digital version and keep mine sealed. Now it's worth way less. Thanks guys.
The thing is, we shouldn’t be worried about having a bunch of money in this. It’s about preserving the games that we enjoy playing. If a game gets a reprint then it’s good because more people can play. We need these games to be accessible.
Yeah I never order vgp reprints, the thing is VGP are cashing in on fomo aswell. People are just blind to it cause they get to fill that gap on their shelf.
Sorry you're disappointed at other people get to have a game for a fair price. You didn't buy the game originally with value in mind so why should you care? It's now at the value that you paid for. It sounds like greed has gotten a hold of you and is talking for you my friend. Games are meant to be enjoyed Not hoarded in a vault like the one ring.
@@SilverSurfer17 Yeah, but was there really a demand for Blue Reflection physical? If so many people wanted it, then it wouldn't have been priced down to 30 on Amazon. I got Blue Reflection 2 new for 40(probably could have waited for a lower discount), so it seems like the series isn't popular and doesn't do well on release.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Sure mate. U just keep shilling, in the end you will make no difference, gaming is too big these days and high prices are here to stay, maybe get a second job
I think this gens games are going to be more scarce moving forward than any other gen before. The digital to physical is like 80% digital to 20% physical. I think if your goal of buying physical as an investment your going to lose until they fall into that vintage, retro category. I also see some titles like robocop and games that got a physical re-release during the ps4, ps5 transition like terminator resistance that didn't see big sales but there's a good chance we kick the bucket before they start demanding a high value.
People really need to know about VGP, they do an amazing job with all the reprints
@@physicalreleasesalert They absolutely do. And I wouldn't have several games if not for them. But they're not alone PNP Games is great too. I wish there were more retail stores like them. Maybe if there was instead of GameStops and careless retail trains like Best Buy and Amazon we would actually have less problems in this community and less scalpers would profit. If we can get PNP to do reprints too It would help immensely.
And pnpgamesonline too. Most of the time I found stock in pnp when out of stock in Vgp because most they didn’t know pnp exists
Yeah PNP is great option too
If a used game is more then 20$ ill crack it
Amen brother! We as gamers need to stop and not pay for overpriced modern games.
I rarely buy a game for full retail price these days I'm always looking for a deal where I can get it.
I found a hidden Jim in my uncle's closet. He was nice. But I think we're talking different things here....
@@DoYouNerd lmao 🤣 poor Jim I hope you gave him some turkey and dressing He's probably going to need to put some meat on those bones after being just skin and bones.
Ff7 remake is worthless even if you pay me I dont want it
Yes. It’s redundant. Current games cannot be rare. #1 is still in production. #2 there is a digital market. #3 some of these games are available via subscription service. #4 the age of remastering/remakes. #5 DLC can make a game incomplete. And lol 😅 imagine Delisting. I agree artificial rarity 💯
I think we're on the same page!
Death park was one that the scalpers got all of them and people are holding onto so many that they are down to like $30 or $35 instead of $200
Higher physical costs and fake rarity is a sneaky way to drive up digital sales.
@@royceburgess9730 That's definitely true. But I will say these digital prices on PCs with multiple digital stores to pull from means there's competition and the prices are competitive. There's a bundle right now on fanatical with all the odd world games plus DLC for a single dollar. It cost like 15 bucks for an original Xbox copy of strangers wrath. Or like 50 to $60 for the odd world collection physically on Switch. I can definitely see the appeal of wanting to get these cheap games digitally on Steam. The other way you could look at picking up digital games is to keep your physical copies sealed. 7 case there is a day you decide you want to downsize you can get the most bang for your buck. Thanks so much for watching
As a collector and Reseller i can say its Extremely easy to flip short printed switch/ ps4 / ps5 games People miss their initial window to buy and want the items so bad It's so easy to double or Triple Your investment 👍 I use that to buy games i want.
@@Jackbat69 I don't necessarily have anything against resellers. One of my friends resells and she's a sweetheart. But when it comes to people who deliberately robbed someone's chance of having something and use greed in order to do it or spend all their time gloating and personally being toxic online because they have quote "RARE GAME" is wrong. Video games and all entertainment is meant to be enjoyed and loved by everyone not just the elect few. Thanks so much for watching.
Yes this stuff sucks. Another thing that irritates me is how ports of older titles have remastered in the title. I get that it's been remastered but it's just ugly on cover art. An example is the thing game that came out in 2002 which just got a remaster. Like yeah we know a game that hasn't been on any platform since the original port would have some kind of improvements that doesn't mean it has to be in the name. Maybe I have ocd or something. I just really hate seeing "remaster" on my physical and digital games.
I guess that's done to entice new gamers or maybe there's some kind of legal reason where they have to put something in the title to separate it from the original release idk. My big issue isn't necessarily the flavor words. It's the fact that these remasters are inferior. Tomba has game breaking bugs and the physical release has them baked into the build after LRG specifically said that that issue wasn't in the physical and it would be patched out. Lollipop chainsaw also has a lot of issues that didn't plague the original release. And don't even get me started on the Dead Rising remaster. They straight up butchered and sensored that game. I also don't understand games that clearly don't need remasters like the last of us and Dead Rising getting them when they already had PS4 remasters. If you're going to bring back games either bring back games that really need it not ones that already have a physical on modern consoles and two if you bring them back make sure they're not censored and lastly three do not butcher the releases by introducing a bunch of new issues and problems that were never in the original releases. Because all that does is drive up value and interest in the original copies Wendy's so-called remasters and remakes fail to hit the mark. Now that there's a remaster of the thing I'm sure the original released copies are going to start going up in price if they haven't already.
Simple greed. How interesting that there is such greed. I would also discourage pirating as well.
Why they are bad now another reason is because they don’t even come complete you still have to download a patch or the DLC comes months later
It’s strange some publishers would be against places like VGP printing more copies, since the publisher clearly wasn’t interested in producing any more and therefore making any more money on that title. It’s not like they make any money from resellers marking prices up, that’s all going to the seller.
As for why not that many physical copies are made these days, it’s because of the digital to physical sales number split. Most people are fine with digital now sadly. So the publisher doesn’t make very many as they don’t want to over produce and lose money on that. Last I saw the digital to physical ratio was around:
80/20 on Xbox
70/30 on PlayStation
60/40 on Switch
So the customers have spoken with their dollars and they have chosen digital unfortunately. If there is a game you really want to get physical, get it at MSRP while you can. Especially for publishers known for not printing very many copies like KoeiTecmo with games made by Gust. Or NISA and games made by Falcom.
@@ドリフト180X yep the only way we can fix the demand for physical is also to lower the purchases of digital. Digital is convenience but look at what you're really giving up when you purchase it? PC used to have physical games. It was a bit cumbersome with all the floppy disks and multiple discs and installs. But everybody just started to purchase the digital games to the point that nobody thought it was important to provide district drives and PCs anymore and wanted to make the games physical. Now we are seeing both Sony and Microsoft pull out of the physical games. We'll have to wait and see what Nintendo does with their next system. I definitely don't want physical media to go away. But it's going to take all of us to change things. If we don't vote with our wallet then we can't cry about it later when physical media completely goes away. Thanks so much for watching.
It's because video game companies want to squeeze as much profit out of games now days. If Square Enix makes five million copies of Final Fantasy 7 Remake and only two million physical copies sell, merchants will eventually either return overstock and get a refund on the unsold product instead of sitting on them or Square Enix will have to drop the price of these games at MSRP and issue a reimbursement cost for unsold copies. This means that the profit margin will be lower as gamers are able to then buy the game at a lower cost. This also will effect digital costs as if you've got millions of copies for $20 available physically, who in their right mind would buy a $70 copy of the game digitally?
Because of this, publishers are trying to produce as many physical copies as they think will sell and depending on how quickly they sell they'll print more, but at some point once the sales slow, they'll stop printing them so they can gain as much money as possible. During previous generations when physical gaming was still big they just printed a lot more and we were able to get video games cheap, but physical gaming is more expensive than it's ever been for those patient enough to just wait. Everyone feels like they're following Nintendo and almost never dropping their prices and would rather have their games go out of print and not allowing anyone to purchase them at all rather than losing a single cent.
I feel like the main cause of this is all these limited companies. Publishers are looking at LRGs limited print games and seeing that people wait for their preorders after paying 32 years earlier and publishers are just keeping their prices high with a low supply, limiting the amount they release just like these limited print companies.
I understand what point you're trying to make. But I'll have to counter that point by Why is this one particular Final Fantasy game The only one that is the exception to the rule? How many copies of Final Fantasy 15 16 and pass Final Fantasy games have they reprinted? It just makes no sense. It's like they'll do it for some games but not for the remake of one of the most popular Final Fantasy games of all time? You're going to tell me that 15 a mediocre in lame excuse as a Final Fantasy game and 16 a brand new entry that does not have the cultural phenomenon or impact that seven does one of the most marketed Final Fantasy games of all time where they constantly throw the characters on everything Final Fantasy related whenever it pops up. Is not worthy of getting a reprint? I'm sorry but I cannot get behind that logic It makes zero sense. If they reprinted it right now everybody would rush out and buy it it would sell millions. Instead you have people paying $100 for used copies and then having to go buy the DLC or $150 to $200 for a scalped copy of a game that was a PS5 version of a PS4 game that came out a couple of years ago. That's just insane to me. My theory is squaring it says no clue what they're doing because they listen to investors instead of listening to their fanbase. Because I can promise you that if they did reprint it like they did pixel remaster everybody would rush out to buy it.
The majority of games "released" in physical form in the last couple generations have been incomplete as sold; some are unplayable without updates during an installation. Unless a "definitive", "Game of the Year" or "ultimate" edition that includes updates and DLC is released, I am hard-pressed to spend my dollar on games. I won't pay anywhere close to full price for a digital "license", either, as one does not own the actual game, and the said game can be yanked at any time.
This is nonsense. 90% of all physical games can be played, see the Doesitplay page.
@@Dylan_Nash I definitely feel this. And a lot of modern releases aren't worth picking up day one. I use Does it play and Nintendo revised as my guides when it comes to games I pick up physically now. If the game is broken or has tons of necessary updates and patches I'll just wait for really good deal on it via PC and play it that way because once they print that physical release outside of switch it doesn't get reprinted and then you're just left with a broken mess and something taken up space on your shelf that has no purpose. Like the Hogwarts Legacy game requires a net download to play the physical. That's crazy for a single player game something that could have been resolved if they would have just put it on two discs.
Right on, Phil. Games are supposed to get cheaper and then get expensive overtime of rarity.
@@doctorgames101b yep that's the natural order of things. But unfortunately greed has corrupted things and people are only becoming more and more greedy. I may not like the prices of retro games. And of course Covid The last few years with the COVID lockdown really did a damage on retrop prices. But the value majority went up over time. It makes no sense that we're seeing those same prices for modern releases that can be reprinted right now at any moment. In fact VGP just announced today that Scorn I mentioned in this video is now on a discount for Cyber Monday. You can get the game even cheaper than it was when I made this video. That's probably not going to make scalpers happy. But anybody that wants a copy of that game can now do so At a cheaper price. Thanks for watching.
Best money is special edition nintendo handhelds.
@@hksrb25s16 Yeah a lot of those go for quite a bit of money
Great video bro
Appreciate the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Philly ❤
Love you girly ❤ always appreciate your support.
Ot truly is artificial rarity. But we do know why. Because they want to be all digital. The wanna keep full control and ownership of "your" game.
There really should add amendments to the piracy, copyright and patents laws.
Ehen it comes to frequencies there are regulations that prevent companies to hold them and not use the for a certain number of years.
They are forced to sell or use them.
Piracy is punished, even when there is no alternative. If a company wish to stand in and reprint a product no longer in production for years. They should be allowed to pay a fair licensing fee.
Better yet. Remember "greatest hits" companies should, after a game been out for 2-5 years. Re-release the game with patches and updates included. Like FF15 Royal Edition.
There is zero excuse for them to not reprint. They arent making more by low production. The scalpers are the ones benefiting.
It's definitely a problem. I hope companies will realize how much they are hurting things in the long run. But their companies and all they care about is making their profit. They don't care about if we can keep playing our old games. Because they don't make money off an old PS2 game they're no longer releasing. They want us to buy the next big thing. But when the next big thing they're offering isn't anywhere near the quality that they did and generations past. And now there's all these restrictions and so much control they take from us It makes me want to go no thanks I'll stick with my retro. I'm not interested in downloading a 10 GB update day one cuz you decided to release this game incomplete and broken at launch.
@Phil1Up_Collects If they cared about profit they'd keep releasing their games on newer consoles. A number os PS1 or 2 games were Re-release on PS3, 4 and 5. Making money of games they already made a long time ago. Nintendo also constantly resold game in multiple consoles. And people bought them. Squarenix, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Atlus. The all, they all did, but now they won't.
It's not money they want. It's power. They wanna be in control of what you play and when.
They already have some games Re-release on subscription services.
You'll own nothing and be happy.
@Omizuke yep that's exactly correct I've said this before and everybody who pays for subscription services like Game pass Nintendo online PSN they're helping slowly kill game preservation and physical games You used to be able to buy classic Nintendo IPs digitally now you can't even do it unless you pay for a Nintendo online and you can argue Well it's only 20 a month unless you want the N64 games GBA then you're going to have to pay more. Game pass prices went up so it's no longer as good of a deal same with PSN. This is no different than Netflix Amazon Prime etc they all started out as a "good deal" and a "convince" overgoing to a movie theater or buying physical movies and now look what happened. Movie theaters have slowly been dying a lot of them have gone out of business. And stores like Best Buy no longer carry physical movies. Walmart bins are filled with discounted films that nobody will buy. It's only a matter of time till they start getting rid of physical DVDs and blu-rays and Amazon drops movies all together. You're even seeing higher prices charged for physical movies wasn't the still book edition of Wolverine and Blu-ray like $50 or $60 and the standard is $30? Their purposely making physical movies more expensive so they could eventually get people to stop buying the movies and just pay for a subscription service. They're strong arming you in order to give up physical films and embrace subscription services owning nothing.
And video games are going the same route. With Sony offering disk drive attachments as a "option" over just building in the disk drive in the console like they did in the beginning and let people have the real option of either using it or buying the game digital. Microsoft releasing a slew of Xbox Series systems that have no disk drive whatsoever they're on the fast track of putting a nail in the coffin.
We'll have to see what Nintendo does with their next generation hardware. But I hope they decide to continue physical games. They're already slowly being corrupted by a charging for online and locking those classic IPs behind a subscription service. But they haven't yet given up their IPs to PC or released to digital only systems yet so I guess that's the silver lining.
The way it's going the evercade will really be the only physical game console we got left If Nintendo Sony and Microsoft don't course correct. Thanks so much for watching.
Most retro games weren't valuable either from 2000-2010 and prior.
Video Game Collecting is a spectrum. On one end is the pure gamer that only cares about playing video games, and the other end are people that never play video games and it’s a pure collection hobby. Neither side and anywhere in between is wrong. The pure gamer end needs to recognize that holding and growing value is important to a large % of the current market because the hobby has grown beyond playing the games themselves. Honestly if just playing the game is the goal just get a PC and emulate. While I agree companies can reprint modern games it’s not in their best interest. The rarer, sought after, talked about, and valuable your physical games are that’s free marketing for them. If you want something just buy it regardless of price if you can and want to afford it.
@@christophergardiner8899 Solid and Fair points Christopher Thanks so much for watching
Some good points! I'd say a game is only worth the amount of money you think it is
@@ArchLightning001 That is true. Why do we let so many people dictate how valuable something is? The only real value is what you think it is. Until we get to the point of realizing this and stop letting other people convince us this game is worth $500 then the market will never change. We have to change the market. We ultimately are in control of it. But we let scalpers and greedy corporations act like they are the ones in control of it.
Great discussion here!
3:00 negative first print final fantasy 7 remake physical edition has Tiffa without the patch on the disc, like I said they are re-printeting it and I'm curious to see if it's the patch version or not on the second print.
@@RottenTanuki Tifa wasn't in the game without the patch? I'm curious what you mean.
Well said .
Thank you ❤
Good video! I 100% agree.
Playstation did the same thing on their 20th anniversary. I remember buying the controller and the guy at gamestop told me to buy a 2nd one because they are rare. I should've taken his advice
@@powcod7455 But those controllers aren't rare in theory. Do they not still manufacture PS4 controllers right now? Can you not go to Amazon Target Best Buy and pick up a PS4 controller? The only thing that makes that rare is a different color and a slightly different design. But at it's core it's It's no different from me basic PS4 controller I have that all suffer from the same stick drift. If Sony wanted to they can put out that 20th anniversary controller again. And then you would watch the value of everybody that has it tank. That's what I'm getting at. They have the keys to the kingdom but they refuse to use it and put a limit to how much they want to do things. Because FOMO is a tactic that they can use whenever they choose to to make more money. Even though they turn right back around and foolishly waste that money on things we don't want like Concord. Thanks so much for watching.
Great video. Absolutely agree with you. Thank you.
@@julianjuez Thank you for watching
I don't understand prices either honestly. It seems like over priced BS. I never understood why Nintendo games cost wayyyyy more than xbox and PS games too. Nintendo holds more value? lol
Well Nintendo is currently the only console that has true exclusives and the only place you can play those games. Whereas PlayStation and Microsoft have given up pretty much exclusives. You can get them on PC people that would have once bought a PlayStation or Xbox system are no longer buying it because those games are on PC. So the market for those who buy those consoles has shrunken. A lot of people will just wait for the inevitable PC version. But besides that cartridges are more expensive to manufacture than Blu-ray disc. Luray disc has been around for quite a while now. But these Nintendo switch cartridges are customized and unique a cartridge format that isn't used for any other device on the market. So because of that It makes it more expensive. If the switch cartridges were used for music and movies it would be a different thing.
Re selling is my second job. Without it I would be paycheck to paycheck and struggling. I have nothing against scalpers. You mentioned Scorn deluxe for PS5. I had 6 copies and sold them all when I heard VGP was reprinting. It's a good legal way to make money.
You do you. But I'll keep fighting the good fight for video games and champing these reprints. If people are foolish enough to pay for a scalp copy that's on them. But I'm not going to make it easy for the scalpers or the resellers.
Most modern "triple a" games suck. Broken, need patches. Etc. Every game these days is a download anyway. Disc or not.
Well you just gotta realise the demand for physical versions is dwindling every year. So yeah it makes sense publishers aren't printing more copies.
@@thatssomegoodpie Tell that to all the people who constantly shove out So much money for physical copies. Even now with all the Black Friday sales out of stock here out of stock there. A lot of times the physical copies are heavily discounted more than a digital code could ever be. At least when it comes to consoles because they have locked digital storefronts. Now on PC with multiple options to get those digital games at various different prices. You get a pretty good deal A lot of times even better than the discounted physical copy. But we are there yet with consoles. And as long as they have locked digital storefronts where they make all of the money we will never have fair and competitive digital prices. Which means those physical copies will be what people seek out. Especially when they can actually sell those copies and make money back. Unfortunately we can't sell a digital code of a game once we used or redeemed it. Maybe in a perfect world that would be possible. I just wish when they did put out a physical release they cared enough about making it complete and fully functional. Digital games should be cheaper than the physicals. And the physical games should be a high quality release that has some effort put behind it. Not shoved out the door to get a quick buck. Thanks for watching.
Also never forget overtime blu ray discs can get disc rot.
That's true. Sure hope it don't happen to any of mine because I got almost 400 games sitting on the shelf. But all these things will wear out eventually. That's why we should spend time enjoying these things while we have them instead of worrying about value. Because if you're never going to sell it and you're just going to hold on to it what's What's it matter if it's worth a dollar or $1,000?
Really great points Phil and a good solution at the end.
@@zevzero Thanks brother I really appreciate it. I wish the state of gaming was a lot better than it is. That's why we got to do our part to make things better. Because at the end of the day this is our hobby our passion our love. If we don't take care then those who just want to profit off us will walk all over us. Like how Larian studios set the bar for quality AAA releases with BG3. We can do the same When it comes to fair market prices for both modern and retro games.
Theres good points, but them again theres a lot of flaw's to the arguments as well. Yes youtuber that talk about niche/low print games contribute to the price hikes. But then again if it wasnt for those people, a lot of franchises wouldn't never get much support in sales. After all a IP becoming popular and loved by people is the point. Devs need money and fans to make games.
I will say that Companies like LRG are price gouging people, because publishers wont do reprints.
Its a huge mess, because resellers and collectors are buying all this stuff up "before it gets expensive",
so between panic buying, low prints, Fomo, limited release, Multiple editions, it just feeds it self.
@@NuclearAbyss That is a fair point. I'm not saying all UA-camrs are out there that benefit themselves. There are some good ones that put a spotlight on these games and give them recognition. I've interviewed a few developers on my channel through a podcast like Kristala from Astral Clocktower studios. Fantastic ladies making their dreams souls like game. And we're producing the physical for it at Premium so that's pretty awesome. But yeah it's unfortunate that some companies are putting artificial limits on certain games. Especially if there's a lot of demand and they could do more reprints of it. When it comes to LRG then releasing physicals for things that should have retail releases like Persona 3 and Persona 4 is weird to me. VGP sells out of copies of that whenever they get it in. But had that been a retail release that Sega/Atlus put out there wouldn't be a supply issue. In fact if I was Sega/Atlus I would reprint my own batches of that right now. I know Koei Tecmo and NIS did a widespread retail restock on various titles when they saw how well the VGP reprints sold. So it's definitely possible that these companies can do that If they would choose to.
@@Phil1Up_Collects They definitely could do reprints, but they also dont want to risk loosing money on games that aren't being bought. Its also wild the LR is doing reprints of Valkeria, and the entire Yakuza franchise 0-6.
Even xbox gutted the physical disc distribution center they inherited from the Activision deal, and let LR print copies of High on life, Pentiment, Grounded. While not providing physical copies of Hellblade 2, HiFi rush, and upcoming avowed and Indi game. It really is a sad state of affairs.
@NuclearAbyss I definitely agree
First of all I'll start by saying retro games are only as valuable as one is willing to pay for it. I lived it had multiple systems starting from the atari vcs and colecovision era through the NES, TG-16 SNES Sega Genesis, Saturn PS1 N64 Dreamcast PS2 Gamecube. I even had the addons for the TG-16 and sega genesis with respect to the cd-roms and 32x for the sega. I lost it all in a fire and will not replace them because what people want for those things the nostalgia isn't worth getting ripped off. Collectors should feel good they still have their collections but I will not pay for the nostalgia that lasts only moments when I have the memories which no one can put a price on or take away from me.
It's tough to lose a collection, but you're right, memories are priceless and worth more than any physical item.
I agree with 95% of your video. There does seem like supply and "projected" demand is such a strictly monitored thing with the majority publisher now.
Sadly with physical media being pushed less and less is because of lower physical sales aren't as strong now digital is winning over more and more consumers. A lot of them don't realise our side of it or understand how important physical is to the market. It's a hobby at the end of the day.
Reprints can be done, however it's less and less feasible when they see less and less returns on a physical purchase verses the digital.
For the most part, at least the majority of modern games aren't good anyway! So I've been mostly just picking up things a week or so after release even if i don't start them for a bit.
I'm even less incentivised with newer consoles as effectively they're a disguised digital copy anyway, especially PS and Xbox.
@@bigcheese6417 Yeah and that's how social media and the entertainment industry has ruined future generations.. kids now are growing up with cell phones and tablets They know they can just watch a movie or a show through a streaming service They can click a button and download a game They didn't grow up in the time where they had to go to a movie theater and pay for a ticket to watch a movie or go to the store and physically buy a game to have it They have become so desensitized and spoiled by modern conveniences that they have no real attachment to anything. My 5-year-old niece gets spoiled on birthday and Christmas every year with tons of toys and goodies she cares about none of them All she wants to do is sit on her tablet and consume UA-cam video after UA-cam. She has no attachment to any real toys So physical media is completely lost on her. And it's really sad that more kids are going to grow up like that having no real attachment or fond memories to things to where they care about that. That's why I feel it's our job to educate them on the importance of physical media and physical forms of entertainment so that it's well preserved in the future and they understand why it's nice to have these things as an option.
Retro games can still be printed but they arent very often. Iam8bit puts out snes carts for anniversaries like megaman and street fighter, granted theyre expensive, but theyre actual carts. Limited run does the same thing. In reality sqaure enix could reprint actual snes carts of chrono trigger if they wanted to for example, and they would sell out immediately
@@SomeRetroGuy Yeah we do NES aftermarket carts at premium so I know that's possible. But when it comes to PS1 PS2 GameCube PS3 original Xbox 360 DS 3DS etc You can't reprint those anymore and it's a real shame cuz man if you could I would be stocked up on some of those
Thats the problem, they dont reprint the games. Out of all the consoles, the Switch physical media will always rise in price regardless if they are complete or not. Anything Nintendo will be far more valuable than any other console. I picked up Ultra Street Fighter for the Switch when it first launched and a few days ago I saw on ebay, a couple of sellere are asking $399 for it. Crazy times.
Because only the AAA titles get reprinted. Niche titles have a one year warranty on shelves.
@@CNP023 Yeah it's crazy how that is but it just makes no sense because these games in theory can be reprinted It's the license holders they don't want to. That's why if there's a game you're interested in getting reprinted definitely reach out to VGP use your voice let the publishers know Because if enough people say something and they show that there is demand there a reprint can be made It's possible because we've seen it happen Square Enix did it with Pixel remaster so if they can do it I'm sure other companies can.
@@Phil1Up_CollectsIve ordered the Xenoblade collection and Signalis from VGP. Signalis is going for over $100 because of that lenticular card inside. Not that important to me to pay those prices because of picture.
I still need to grab a copy of that game I love horror titles
Limited print runs that become impossible to find have always been a thing with _niche_ titles. Look up Xenosaga episode 3, that PS2 game never got a second English print run and most of the copies ended up destroyed.
Big mainstream games going out of print quickly is absolutely a scam though yeah.
@@badlatency9979 yep that is pretty crazy. Speaking of xenos Saga not sure why we don't have a collection of that on modern consoles with how much the Xeno series is beloved it seems like a great time to make that happen.
@Phil1Up_Collects I don't know either. Clearly Monolithsoft still wants to use the IP and bring it into canon with Xenoblade, and Bandai has been more than willing to license that, but also unwilling to remaster Xenosaga. I'd take a straight port of the collection of the PS2 games at this point given how disc rot will eventually become a problem with the surviving copies.
You and me both brother. Also Xeno gears as well cuz why not? I'm still wondering why Sony is dragging their butts and not doing something with Legend of Dragoon Probably one of my favorite PS1 JRPGs of all time. a remake a remaster a sequel I don't care Get on it
I love so much VGP ❤
they the MVP
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New to the channel and I totally agree! Go VGP!
@@balancedgaming2103 Thank you so much for joining the 1Up family. I greatly appreciate you being here. Yep I love VGP. I might be in affiliate but I'm also a big time customer. And I won't give something my support unless I truly back it..
@@Phil1Up_Collects I try my best too. Thats the biggest reason i started collecting physical games
Preach brother
wrong, even older games can be technically manufactured. the only question is the fixed setup costs of such process. Meaning that in all cases just produced batch would be still more expensive, than whatever is the current market value.
Secondly some games cannot be reprinted, because of the copyright issues (Forza Horizon 4 is a good recent example). Others will not be printed, because the online service is down (Concord is a good example).
There are of course cases when reprint will happen (like in that Final Fantasy 7 remake, you were showing).
But for other games, reprint is not yet profitable enough - remember you need to have a minimum production batch for costs to make sense. (so if that Alan Wake is maybe only 60$ for now, which is still very close to the original release price, there is no need to do that, and rather push users to buy it digitally).
And if you want to see scarcity, just check some limited run games. or strictly limited games. We are of course talking about [hysical versions of the games
They r saying black myth wukong is limited print physical copies. They want u to download the game and pay for a physical copy and keep it sealed. That way the sell way more copies
@@josiahham7280 I'm friends with the head of PM Studios I didn't hear anything about that being limited print. But I'm sure that game will get reprints it's very desired game. And it would be crazy to put a limit on how many copies of that game gets made when everybody wants it. It's being praised to like Elden Ring. But I guess we'll see.
Funny that you use Final Fantasy VII Remake Integrade as an example, since it's just been announced a reprint is coming thanks in part to VGP.
This video was done before that was ever announced. So I'm not sure if my video had a hand and helping it get done. Or if it was just great timing. Regardless, It's nice to see some companies listening to the community. Hopefully, it sets a precedent.
Its not "rarity over time". Its supply and demand. If a modern game is sold out like ff7 intergrade and more people want it, the price will grow. However, intergrade is going down cause vga is printing more. You mention the ps5 anniversary controllers that is hard to get. Its not because it's artificially rare its because its made in limited run just like ANY special edition console (this is not new). Lastly, your dont buy it argument falls flat. There are people that can afford to buy ebay priced games since they probably value time and convenience. Collecting is a luxury, if you cant afford it, resell things you dont need.
To me the retro video game market doesn't make sense since emulation exists. Like why would I pay for a $70 cartridge of Pokémon red when I could get the rom for free and emulate it.
People like to have a physical copy of things. Because emulation doesn't always run the games that well. I want to play it on the original hardware. They don't want to rely on the internet or possibly get a virus downloading a ROM etc There's lots of reasons. And resellers capitalize on this. If people just adopted emulation over physical copies then they wouldn't be so expensive. Big UA-camrs and gamers have made channels and social media presence based on collecting and because of this they have to keep that going. Because if they stop they no longer get UA-cam money. Their channels thrive on that. Someone tell UA-cam and other similar platforms go belly up. These people no longer have a means to make channels for collecting and reselling. Then retro games will always be expensive. Not to mention collecting retro games is actually better than collecting modern. Because they also hold their value. And if you happen to find retro games for cheap you might be able to sell them for more than you paid making money back for you. You also can lend cell trade you were hard copies You can't do any of that with emulation.
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The biggest joke is.. you dont own most of modern games EVEN in physical, why ? Simple : you need internet to download them.
@@dankmeemo3464 That's a big misconception that honestly people need to stop spreading. Disable the internet on your console use an unregistered account launch a game on a PlayStation 4 or 5 and tell me if it plays. I can promise you it's going to work. Does it Play It's built a whole website and database on games they test that are fully playable without requiring any updates. There are games that do need them of course but to say all games NEED it is untrue.
@@Phil1Up_Collects OP said "most"
Not a misconception. Most games need a day 1 patch to get a fully working game with fixes or even true ending or features like NG+ or what not. And that's been going on for a very long time. Many PS4 game released like that. Quickly come to mind FF15 and KH.
And basically nearly all the big AAA ones were broken day on for all consoles. Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy, etc. The ones that were complete and fully functional day one were outlier.
@@Phil1Up_Collects I've never said "all games needs it" but for exemple i challenge you to buy physical copy of monster hunter stories 2 or persona 5 and play it on switch the first time you put it in your switch without internet
Well switch is a weaker hardware so alot of stability is kinda wonky but when playing those games on PS4 it was a fine experience to me with no downloads.
@@Phil1Up_Collects Cyberpunk, PS4 if you preorder physical. Did you got a working game?
Switch might be weaker. But it has more physical games working day one more stable than the other 4 consoles. (4/5/One/X)
Doesn't powerful the console is. When studios are releasing the game broken.
At least Nintendo delayed HL until it could get it running as best as it would run on their archaic (by tech world standards) console.
Outside of Pokémon not many games have released buggy. And even those. Personally I had no issues with my copy of Scarlet or Shield. But I play (almost) exclusively in handheld mode. So maybe they are more prone to bug when struggling with a higher res.
Well they all suck lol ff7 is better then ff7 remake lol
Artelier Ryza and Artelier games in general are pricey. Ryza games still sell for iver $40 used at gamestop. Thats pricey.
Seeing that video after fighting to death online to get a copy of persona 4 (limited run) during restock day 🤣
@@Qw3rt1997 ooof Hope you got your copy
I saw a copy of the delisted Deadpool game in a secondhand store for £70 this past week. Idc how rare it is now, it's frankly a mid game that's over a decade old. Daylight scalping >:(
@@automaycry220 I know right There's some games that I don't understand it's rarity. Like there are some Winnie the Pooh piglet game that's being referenced to Resident Evil for one level and now it goes for stupid money because of that.. something like that would have never happened if it wasn't for social media people stirring the pot and making something artificially rare when it has no business being. That's a kids game That should be shovelware price I don't understand. Are these people are crazy and they'll always find something to try to hype up so they can make money. Thanks so much for watching
@@automaycry220 I know right There's some games that I don't understand it's rarity. Like there are some Winnie the Pooh piglet game that's being referenced to Resident Evil for one level and now it goes for stupid money because of that.. something like that would have never happened if it wasn't for social media people stirring the pot and making something artificially rare when it has no business being. That's a kids game That should be shovelware price I don't understand. Are these people are crazy and they'll always find something to try to hype up so they can make money. Thanks so much for watching
All he replies to is people agreeing but not people to agreeing lmao 🤣
I'm flooded with comments I reply to as many as I can.
You only respond to comments that boost your ego or align with your biased opinions. You block anyone with a different view and shut down any real discussion when challenged. It’s honestly sad and disappointing.
Why i mainly buy digital i mean why pay over 100 for ff7 ps5 disc when I can buy the ps4 disc for 20 bucks and get the ps5 digital version for free or get both version on ps plus lol unless the digital version is dlisted I will get digital first.
That's a good point I've seen a lot of PS4 versions going up in value because the print sizes are getting smaller and because of the free PS5 upgrade. You're getting essentially two copies of the game for a cheaper price. I'll only pick up a PS5 copy of the game I already have If that version has more content on disc or if I just really love the game.
@Phil1Up_Collects what i do now buy digital first and if I really enjoy the game and it has a disc version will try to buy a copy
Except they arent reprinting ff7, hence why my used copy is worth $100. PS5 lifespan is half over. Just collect what you like. Currently i only have PS4 / PS5, PSVR / PSVR 2 collection, theyre expensive based on rarity, and supply & demand lol it doesnt matter if theyre still able to print, if they arent. You look like a new collector saying these things
12:10 I can see you're passionate. Remember though, you live in the usa.Everything has a price tag here. If our lives can beforfeited so some billionare can make a few more pennies, better beli98eve that will happen. The only thing americans truly wanna collect is big bucks no matter who or what the cost. I dont disagree, Ive just come to realzie that greede is the only thing that seems to work in the USA. Yup, Teh all mighty diollar is efveryhting to americans.
We need a reprint of red dead redeption 2
Amazing video.
Glad you enjoyed it