Brian O'Driscoll discusses his past feelings towards 'Ireland's Call'
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2018
- Former Ireland captain Brian O'Driscoll speaks to John Duggan about his new Rugby United Ireland documentary Shoulder To Shoulder as well as his views on Irish rugby anthem 'Ireland's Call'
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Used to hate Ireland's Call. Now I love it because I love Rugby and these bloody kids love Rugby and love Ireland
It's interesting reading the comments here about Irelands Call being a 'template' or 'meaningless' anthem. I'm Welsh and arguably Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau doesn't have much historical context and yet we still belt it out.
He made the players we have now see that an Irish player can be the worlds best. No doubt he inspired a lot of them.
Barry Mc Guigan, (boxer, from the Republic, very popular up north), used to use "Danny Boy", now there's a tune to to rival the Welsh National Anthem.
Total admiration for O'driscoll. He took a lot of flak for what was only a documentary. I'm a northern protestant who is a die hard follower of Irish rugby. I stand respectfully for The soldiers song, I cheer and support all 15 on the pitch, or all 23 in the squad. Infact I cheer for all who play for "my team". Rugby is a united sport and sets an example that others are envious off
Although I stand respectfully I do not feel that I should be obliged to sing a song that glorifies the murder of my descendants. I much prefer to sing a song that unites ALL in support of OUR wonderful Ireland rugby team
Why are people from Northern Ireland always so keen to bring religion into a topic? Whether you are a Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, etc the majority of people in Ireland really don’t care.
Religion is far more divisive than our National Anthem.
Personally I do not agree to the playing of a “second Anthem” at international rugby games. We do not have it in any other sports. Our international football team has players from Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, etc but there is only one anthem played.
Players have the choice not to play for Ireland just as fans have the choice not to attend games. Nobody is compelled to do anything that they don’t want to do.
@Arthur Goodness I could also ask why do a majority from the south insist on singing songs about... chase the British, British out, shoot the British , brits brits brits, brits
Almost as bad as religion ??????
I much prefer the UNIFYING Irelands call
It doesn’t glorify the murder of your descendants so much as your descendants are invaders, pillagers, and colonizers.
Amhrán na bhFiann is about fighting the English, not northern protestants.
It is not murder when one is rebelling against colonial imperialism.
I love Amhran na bhfiann...its rightly the national anthem...its an anthem in defiance of British imperilistic terrorism which every human being on this planet should understand and respect. 'Irelands call' is a sports anthem with political undertones in the vein 1798 United Irishman with all shades of green standing shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy which I fully embrace as a song
i hear you Tom, but i think Amhran na bhfiann is terribly dreary.
''imperialistic terrorism'' Jaysus you need to broaden your horizons Tom.
@@johnnythreebollocks3496 are u trying to say the British empire weren’t responsible for imperialistic terrorism
Shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy. Yes we did - in the fields of France and Belgium.
Both together every game. Simple as, home and away.
Ireland Rugby need to find an anthem that both Brian O'Driscoll and Rory Best can be equally passionate about while representing the Island of Ireland on the Rugby field but coming from two different nationalities.
rory best would be happy with god save the queen
Fields of Athenry sure
They are both Irish how can they be two different nationalities? Just because a artificial border has been placed there by a foreign power doesn’t change the nationality of the people.
@@shanebrennan676 Iain Henderson and Rory Best would not agree with you they see themselves as British but are happy to wear the green and play for an all island rugby team. In rugby nationality was never an issue.
@@garrettosullivan8830 they cant be British they are citizens of the UK Britain is made up of England Scotland and Wales. And the name of the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland. When anyone from NI arrives in GB and opens their mouth they are immediately identified as Irish.
Ireland call is now an Irish Rugby anthem to symbolise unity and respect. But serious question. Why can we not sing Amhrain na bhFiann when playing away games?
Well that is the point. What unity? Unity of the Irish Rugby federation? Cool. Why is that impacting the National Anthem? I get the Northern Irish, it's not their anthem, but isn't it a bit crazy for a national selection not to sing it's national anthem because it must go with unity and respect? Play 2 anthems, Irish and Northern Irish. That would be better solution. They are nation too, Ireland's Call isn't their anthem either. For me (and I have no connection with Ireland whatsoever) Ireland call is modern politically correct way to get the problem (national anthem) under the carpet. I played rugby myself, and I can't imagine not to sing my anthem, or God forbid to sing some song which ''symbolise unity and respect''. Play both anthems, respect both nations. Problem solved.
Because it will divide the crowd. It will be obvious who sings and who is silent. Honestly - I am respectful and silent, but ideally, I wouldn't play it at all - home or away.
And Rory best never sung amhrán na bhfiann once
None of us know the words u dickwipe
Irelands call puts another nail in the Irish language. There is a difference between compromise and capitulating to colonialism.
Brand O'Driscoll
It shud be played all over
If BOD was told by his Mam that he should sing both anthems regardless of his views because he is captain, why is the same logic not applied to Rory best? I'm by no means saying he HAS to sing it, but it should be the same for both north men and south men. As far as I'm aware he sings neither, and it's not a good look for the team
Probably because he can't speak gaelic, or just doesn't like singing.
Scott Campbell well being a scot settler you'd expect him to speak a Scottish language... no one in Ireland speaks Gaelic it's called Irish. And I love Rory but in my mind he doesn't do anything to help North-South relations in the same way BOD or POC did. They were far more inclusive and better captains if you ask me
Lochlainn, there are 3 songs in play here. BOD's national anthem, Rory;s national anthem and Ireland's call. You can't seriously equate BOD singing Ireland's call with Rory singing someone else's national Anthem.
Rory Best said emotionally he finds it hard to sing when the anthems play. Hence why he doesn't sing. You can see how he is often close to tears when the anthems are being played.
@@lochlainnw Gaelic is another correct way to refer to the Irish language. It's just no longer used by most of our population.
Love the idea behind an anthem for all but irelands call is cringe worthy
How?
@@bluechurchowl7641 substitute any other country's name for Ireland into the anthem and it carries. To me its just a soulless one size fits all template. For a country as musically talented as ours we should have a much better anthem
@@fatsoblitz "We have come to answer our country's call... from the four proud provinces of Bosnia and Herzegovina!" Maybe not any other country
Shoulder, TO SHOOOOOOUUULDER!!!!
From a South African perspective, i much prefer Irelands Call musically. (I know, not being Irish, i don't get a say and my opinion doesn't and shouldn't mean much). I think people confuse personal meaning and musicality. I think Irelands Call is the better song but its clear the Irish prefer the Soldiers song. You can go on about how you think its musically better but i think you just think that because the song means more to you personally and thats fine. IMO Irelands Call is one of my favourite "anthems", i find it incredibly powerful and beautiful. Most certainly not cringe worthy
Ireland's call is such a terrible durge. Singing a Soldier's Song is so much more rousing.
The Soldiers Song is a great tune...but we all know it is divisive - just like the Tricolour. Keep them both out of the Rugby.
Book Worm Im Irish and love Irelands Call . Its a unifying song which allows everyone regardless of their political affiliation to cheer and play as one for "Ireland" in a sporting context. Amhran na Bhfiann or Soldiers Song is a divisive call to war which doesnt represent my vision of a future peaceful Ireland
yak it is not a call to war at all it's a celebration of our independence and how hard we fought for it. Yes I agree that at sports matches with them involved another song should be sung aswell, but amhrann na bhfiann should be played at away games too not just home games or else irfu is literally saying they put the minority in the north ahead of the rest of the island which is also unfair
I'd love to be inclusive of the orange boys in the north but they're the ones hindering any kind of progress being made
Lochlainn Wallace it is a call to arms. It was written before independence so is not a celebration of freedom. It has some specifically anti-English lines and promotes violence. Ireland has become confident enough of its own identify to take its place alongside the nations of the world as peers. Not every Protestant in the North is an Orangeman and many are proud to consider themselves Irish and that is especially true amongst Rugby fans. It seems to me that a proud, confident, modern Ireland is capable of lowering barriers to Protestants embracing their sense of Irishness without losing anything essential of our identity.
MrFrankKelly and also, you missed my whole point. Well done
Lochlainn Wallace What bits did I get wrong? You made two statements about the anthem that are demonstrably not true. You then say you want to include "the orange boys" (whatever that means) whilst stating you want an anthem with divisive lyrics to be played at both away and home games.
Ireland's Call may not be perfect but the intention behind it seems right to me. I come from a part of the island where concentrating on the differences between us has resulted in decades of violence and hate. Frankly I've had enough of it.
MrFrankKelly it can be a celebration of independence before it was achieved. Remember that most people in Ireland didn't accept British rule anyway. It's not like the concept of independence was born after 1916. It is absolutely about celebrating our independence and it, to me is a fitting tribute to those who died achieving it. I'm not looking to pick a fight but it's just not about violence. Look up the translation if you don't believe me. All it mentions is a 'Saxon foe' and that there's a coming fight. Other than that, no violence. So it seems we both made untrue statements.
Also I'm sorry that you have experienced the violence and hatred first hand. But that is no excuse for not honouring those who died to give us what we have today and giving in to a tiny minority in the north, which is what the irfu are currently doing! That's all
There are better alternatives to Ireland’s call, it’s a crap jingle for a country and nation with so much history and culture.
A unifying song is needed, 100%, but not Ireland’s call, it doesn’t do our national pride justice and is a cheap imitator. ‘There is an isle’, or ‘Mise Eire’ for example are better alternatives.
Danny Boy.
Sorry to wreck the party guys, but , generally Northern rugby players don’t know the Irish National Anthem because they didn’t, and dont, learn Irish in school. It’s that simple. Should it be a precondition for selection? Should it be a precondition for Irish citizenship?can ye wise up?
Depends on the school they went to. Plenty of catholic schools and gaelscoileanna in the north.
That kind of Irish citizenship will only happen if and when there is one nation on the island. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
Rory best mom didn’t think like BOD mum ... upbringing I guess .
Was at an orange march when he went up north. Never meet your heroes eh
He went to film for the documentary that he was talking about?
"Mums know best". When did mum weasel it's way in to Irish vocabulary
Huh?
@@Steven-bc7wk tell me you don't say mum? Or mom. They aren't the way Irish people address their mother. Unless they spent years trying to be american
@@garydoyle1467 What do you say? I'm curious.
I say mum or mother. I'm from the Pale like BOD.@@garydoyle1467
@@Steven-bc7wk I call my mother, mam. And refer to her as my mother to other people
It's not a real anthem, terrible music and lyrics. O'Driscoll's right to talk about the troubled past of NI but the musical response to that is totally lacking in any real honesty, sincerity or emotion.
Mr I never beat the All Blacks
How many 1st XV did you make?
@@Jerryfallwell Still a squad player for the Keyboard Warriors Junior Fs.
I usually mute irelands call, can’t stand it. The fields of athenry also does my head in. Stupid song I wish Munster would ditch it.
I don't agree with National anthems like "Soldiers are We" singing about war and killing people from neighbouring countries. There's just no need for it especially from the British Isles where so many of us have family and friends from the home nations.
Although not an "official" anthem another example of a song which does nothing but create a divide is "Fields of Athenry" which talks of a man who was taken from his home country and sent to Australia on a prison ship.
1. Did this song originate from the 19th century when this type of event actually took place? NO.
2. Is this a true story? NO.
3. Was this song written in the late 1970's by Pete St John and is complete fiction? YES.
So what purpose does this song serve? It builds up sympathy to a cause from 1845 but more importantly it builds up a resentment of The British!!!
Do the Brits write songs and sing them at sporting events about the Russians from the Crimean war? or the South Africans from the Boer War or even Germany from 2 world wars? Proper songs written with music and lyrics? Why would you? Why would you want to dig up the past? No-one alive today is directly responsible for anything that happened in 1845. It's just sad and pathetic and can only cause resentment and trouble!!
I'm from Ireland and I can tell you I do not live in a 'Home Nation' nor in the 'British Isles'. Your references demonstrate why the majority of people in this country don't follow rugby or the Irish team.
@@billybyrne523 Whether you like it or not pal Ireland is part of the British Isles. Go do your homework before commenting and proving your ignorance! No one said that Ireland IS a home nation. You have misread the post!
I think more people in Ireland at the moment are more interested in rugby than football
@@djharto4917 Not surprising now Ireland are number 1 in the world in rugby 👍
@KryptonitetoallBS You are the one who needs to do your homework boy. The term British Isles was publicly disavowed by Dermot Ahern, Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Irish Government in 2005.