Hotbeds - bases filled with fresh manure - trays placed slightly above - will keep a good temperature - have well rotted manure at the end. Need a lot of manure - but you get a lot of compost from it too
Double poly will help hold more heat. Three of my seven houses are double poly, I use them for early and late crops. I also use liquid shade on all the houses, it makes a huge difference on hot sunny days.
The high tunnel you have is a great size for propagation, but propagation alone. I would not use it for anything else. Maybe keep it solely for propagation and do not grow crops in it. If your going to grow a crop in the propagation tunnel, maybe make it micro-greens which would be more suitable for the stable climate control your going to need for successful, long term propagation. Use stand up 45/55 gal black barrels as your base for propagation tables. Have a system where you can easily have protective coverings over the propagation bench/table. Utilize the remaining floor space for staging out your plants. In a perfect world you should have the north side insulated, but who lives in that world. An additional build out would be to have cold frames built out along side of the south of the greenhouse, as you pointed out there would be concerns for drainage for those. Your already working hard doing what you do, keep it streamlined so you keep your passion. Cheers, love your channel.
Thanks! Great notes. I too have this same fear of using my prop space too much as production space. I had the thought of building out some production beds but not using them in the spring (putting tables over them), only in the fall when the majority of plants are out. Our gardens are only 3/4 of an acre (at present) so I don’t need a ton more prop space, but I definitely need to more than double what I do have, which only one shelf would do. And its worth noting I am already planning two shelves on the south side. Great points all around, though. I should think hard about all of it. Would hate to get in a spring pickle, and be back to putting my plants in the aisles of other tunnels. Thank you!
Hey Jesse, we have been experimenting with biogas! If you are planning on having water tanks inside the tunnel, then consider connecting them together as a massive biodigester and make your own biogas. Just have to feed it organic matter and you get a great liquid fertiliser to boot! We have made a system sung IBC tanks. The biodigester tank is more active at higher temps, which may work better in a tunnel. It may not be as productive as butane, but it would be better than tanks of water and provides an additional sustainable fuel to thermal heat. We have been making our own biogas for cooking for a few years. its simple and works. just and idea.
This is the first vid of yours I've seen. Can't wait to check out the others. From what I've seen so far ,its been awesome. Love that peaked high tunnel.
Tighten up! Use thermo barrier insulation around the base. Skin the first 4' on each corner; keeps down drafts that go around the roll up. Renewable is admirable but adds expense and sometimes a lot of work. Don't you have enough work? Propane water heater with pex lines on a Tacco 007 (1/25 hp). Keep electricity to a minimum so you can off battery and inverter if needed. Bottom heat is best.
Great comment! We are slowly tightening it up at the moment, and I agree--keep the workload down. I like some Pex I could use for something like this.. Will have to think on it.
I just remembered another thing. Check out the urban farm guys Channel, they built a biogas digester out of IBC totes and put it in one of their greenhouses. They also sell prints and diagrams for the projects they do.
Harvey Ussery has a great chicken book, The Small Scale Poultry Flock. He is in Virginia. In it he talks about a worm bed in the middle of the greenhouse, and chickens at one end. I wonder if a tall chicken tunnel with compost in it as the center "table" might provide enough heat. Who knows? But I do want to figure out how to put chickens in the greenhouse in the winter without wrecking the plastic and without making it too moist and causing comb freezer burn.
hey for keeping more heat in and or heating options. I saw a super cool old woodfired greenhouse heater the other day that might be cool to look in to if you have a readely availeble source of feul. Reneweble and such a cool oldschool method. As for keeping the heat in sealing the second door and sealing of the rol-upsides would be my first action we are doing the same here in Norway this year and it worked quite well. double poly and rowcovers and such work wonder too but they are moke expensive than just a role of tape. (side note take tape that will loosen after time, ducttape sucks in this regard). awsome content looking forward to your tour.
You're planning what I'd suggest & did in my passive solar greenhouse--water on the north wall. Might not hurt to do the south as well. In walapinis, they dig a trench down the center (which you could cover with metal grates). That allows cold air to drop to the low spot. You could probably connect a solar fan to pull cold air out at the end of the trench. (You could also use cattle panel to create a "center tunnel" & second layers of plastic sheeting to take the heat up a zone.) For relief from heat in any of your greenhouses, look at panels on automatic gigavents. I loved those & would use them again.
I love the idea of sinking the cold like that. I’ll have to think in a practical sense for my situation how to pull it off, but makes sense. Thank you!
How about a big biomeiler style compost pile made of lots of wood chips? You could have it outside the propagation house so it doesn't take up space. To make it even simpler instead of water pipes, you could have a corrugated drainage pipe (the one with no holes) running through it, hooked to a small 12v fan that will move the heat from compost to your hoop house.
we've used hot boxes with fresh animal manure. you need quite a bit to keep sustained heat and some times to top it up but it does work. We produced a few 1000 tender plants this spring without electricity. Can be smelly and flies can be a problem.
This has always interested me from reading about Parisian market gardeners. Our mentors did it and said it worked for heat but the off-gassing was a lot to manage as it could kill plants. I’d be interested if I had the room in some small-scale composting, maybe some KNF piles mid-winter to generate a little extra heat or something.
@@notillgrowers we used scrap 8x4 sheets to make a rectangular box. We left 8" from the top and used this space to lay out trays etc. Over time as the pile broke down and reduced in height, it made room for plant growth. I used some scrap tunnel cover plastic to keep the heat in. It got very warm and heated the tunnel as well.
If the long sides of the house are facing North and South, insulating the North wall, would in theory make a difference (at least in the northern hemisphere, and even an R-value of 3-4 would provide good insulation). Air infiltration also has to be minimized though, otherwise extra warm air retained will be lost before the next day begins heating the area. Check out the book "The Year-Round Solar Greenhouse" by Schiller and Plinke (if you haven't already) for low-tech heating and cooling ideas. Keep doing what your doing Jesse!
Rocket mass heater. There's a good 9 min install video put out by Paul wheaton on youtube. Heat from under your walkways and under your water tanks. You'll prob need a few of them for the size your working with. They'll only use a handful of wood for each burn. It will release heat for hours and hours.
I’ve been toying with something involving this, for sure. Would love to do some small KNF piles throughout the spring/winter. That could work--thanks!!
Use as large a barrel as possible. Dig a trench to set them in so the top is it at a comfortable working height. Spread the soil that is removed on the new beds.
I love this idea. hadn’t thought about burying the barrels to the right height. That’s brilliant. The ones I have in our small prop house are too high, but well-sized.
You mentioned something about raised beds... how about using your raised beds as your thermal mass in bed PEX pipe in the raised beds and connect them to an evacuated tube thermal head. Another thing that we're looking at here is the biogas digester. Home biogas makes a unit you can get for about $1,000 it even has a toilet. I've built biogas digesters before out of garbage they do work burning the methane will give you a hot dose of CO2 as well. All your weeds and culled items can go into the biogas unit
Whoa, I love these ideas. So the pipes would connect to a thermal head and the head would just sit in the sun and circulate the hot water (essentially)? Is that about right? And that biogas digester is awesome
@@notillgrowers yeah more or less the thermal head should heat the water if you place the thermal head below the raised beds you should get a thermosiphon effect if not you might need a small PV Direct recirculating pump. And some kind of a blowout valve like the safety valve on your water heater. with the bio gas digester it comes with a single burner you might need to build a fire tube or mono tube water tank on top of it and a circulation pump. in theory it should work in reality I don't know. Just bouncing some ideas. Have a great day.
You could do a closed loop geothermal system with a cirulating pump to keep water from freezing and circulate the heat throught the piping. What i mean is you run the piping underground not to deep in the green house then when you leave the green house go deeper and insulate the piping so you won't lose the heat underground then back outside on to a lean to with a black metal roof and black pipping. You could make a small scale test model first. Just an idea
Farmer Jessie, I'm curious to know where/how do you get all your wood chips? Do you have a pto driven chopper (what kind)? Or, do you acquire all those chips by some other method? I've got to start taking back my garden from the weed pressure, and one of the ideas I like is the deep bedding mulch, but I'm wondering where/how I will get all the mulch, and what is a realistic sustainable plan? Wow, that one thought turned into a lot of questions. Thanks for your time.
I would like to know too, haha! We have the hardest time getting anyone to bring us chips here. I even paid the last tree service who came and they never came back. I have gone to the dump and picked up the freshest looking chips, but that’s time consuming on my end. It’s tough. Chase down tree trimmers ,thats my best advice!
@@notillgrowers gotcha. Well, maybe I could justify a pto driven chipper then. I figure most of the gas powered chippers out there (that I can afford) would NOT do the job. Thanks.
Oh as for small-scale chippers, everyone says they are extremely loud and time-consuming. “It’s everyone’s least favorite job on the farm” one farmer friend recently told me
Could you use a double layer of plastic on front half of greenhouse and put a layer of plastic half way between like a wall to separate the front from the back so if you needed to heat it you would only be heating half of it
barrels on North side? wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the south side? full sun~ actually maybe it's because it would shade the plants.... never mind:)
Lots of well-meaning suggestions here, but I think many are not speaking from personal experience. Using a mass of rotting manure as a heat source is an appealing concept but (having been there and done that) the hand labor involved in loading in (and loading out at end of season) all that composting manure is HUGE. Some form of wood-burning stove is great insurance against those freak 2 or 3 day periods of killing cold, but it is not an attractive way of maintaining temperature over long periods because that makes one a slave to the stove, feeding it every 4-6 hours for weeks on end. Been there and done that too. A wood stove feeding heat into a big thermal mass could work, but requires a big investment. So far my own low tech approach has been electric cable-heated tables (and poly or agribon covers to retain heat) coupled with a small propane heater to deal with brief ultra-cold snaps.
Thanks. Mark. I am probably going to have to get electric down there anyway for ventilation at some point. I think something like this may be the sensible place to start.
@@notillgrowers You'll want something on a thermostat, all it takes is one morning not being home and have a unexpected cold snap to kill all your tomatoes.
Check out mhp gardener he has a set of videos for a wood-burning stove that keeps his Greenhouse 50 degrees warmer inside than outside in the winter time he uses it to grow tomatoes year-round.
I’m looking into all three. May use the corners for KNF compost piles over winter or in the spring. That could be effective for additional heat. Thanks!
? wood boiler storing heat to insulated thermal storage tank and then heat exchangers(radiators) for on demand heat? That's probably what I would do, but I would do it all with mixmash pieces and diy
keep in mind I am just making stuff up and could still be in elementary school, but In your situation from what I can see, I would probably put the boiler outside but close by and put the thermal storage inside the tunnel for simplicity (if you have the space), then just plumb in an old radiator with a fan into the thermal storage up high in the tunnel (might even thermo siphon). then to automate, just get the fan behind the radiator to turn on/off according to tunnel temperature. I do almost everything myself so I can learn how it all works and I can improve and fix things at will, but it is certainly no the most efficient way to do it. but I did some calculations to put a 9 cubic meter hot water storage tank under a 10x10 shed, you could hold about 350kwh worth of energy in a temperature change of 35c (say 25c to 60c). The big benefit to me will be the ability to put in heat when it is available, and to take out heat whenever i need it, and with enough insulation, an insignificant amount of energy is required to maintain the tank temperature. I will be using this for kind of modular stackable mini greenhouses that I am currently working on, so my situation will be different and will not have the thermal tank inside the greenhouses, just radiators, and will have multiple sources pull heat off of one storage tank at unpredictable times
We use three outlets--restaurants, CSA and farmers market. Having the three has been a great way to manage excess in our market. That said, it comes with managing three different outlets, which can be tough.
@@notillgrowers Thanks man. Yea I'm kinda in between homestead and market gardening. I produced like 400 lbs of spinach this spring but most of it was just given away to friends, frozen, or wasted. It came so quickly all at once I just didnt know what to do with it. Now ive got a massive cucumber crop OTW so im hoping I can actually get it to a farmers market this time. keep it up bro love ur work!
Hotbeds - bases filled with fresh manure - trays placed slightly above - will keep a good temperature - have well rotted manure at the end.
Need a lot of manure - but you get a lot of compost from it too
Double poly will help hold more heat. Three of my seven houses are double poly, I use them for early and late crops. I also use liquid shade on all the houses, it makes a huge difference on hot sunny days.
Propagation beds on top of hot compost? I think Charles Dowding has a video about that? How fun to have such a big space for propagation.
The high tunnel you have is a great size for propagation, but propagation alone. I would not use it for anything else. Maybe keep it solely for propagation and do not grow crops in it. If your going to grow a crop in the propagation tunnel, maybe make it micro-greens which would be more suitable for the stable climate control your going to need for successful, long term propagation. Use stand up 45/55 gal black barrels as your base for propagation tables. Have a system where you can easily have protective coverings over the propagation bench/table. Utilize the remaining floor space for staging out your plants. In a perfect world you should have the north side insulated, but who lives in that world. An additional build out would be to have cold frames built out along side of the south of the greenhouse, as you pointed out there would be concerns for drainage for those. Your already working hard doing what you do, keep it streamlined so you keep your passion. Cheers, love your channel.
Thanks! Great notes. I too have this same fear of using my prop space too much as production space. I had the thought of building out some production beds but not using them in the spring (putting tables over them), only in the fall when the majority of plants are out. Our gardens are only 3/4 of an acre (at present) so I don’t need a ton more prop space, but I definitely need to more than double what I do have, which only one shelf would do. And its worth noting I am already planning two shelves on the south side. Great points all around, though. I should think hard about all of it. Would hate to get in a spring pickle, and be back to putting my plants in the aisles of other tunnels. Thank you!
Hey Jesse, we have been experimenting with biogas! If you are planning on having water tanks inside the tunnel, then consider connecting them together as a massive biodigester and make your own biogas. Just have to feed it organic matter and you get a great liquid fertiliser to boot! We have made a system sung IBC tanks. The biodigester tank is more active at higher temps, which may work better in a tunnel. It may not be as productive as butane, but it would be better than tanks of water and provides an additional sustainable fuel to thermal heat. We have been making our own biogas for cooking for a few years. its simple and works. just and idea.
This is the first vid of yours I've seen. Can't wait to check out the others. From what I've seen so far ,its been awesome. Love that peaked high tunnel.
Heck yeah, the gothic tunnels help me to sleep through snowy nights. That’s the biggest advantage.
@@notillgrowers that's exactly what I was thinking. I live in Alberta Canada. So snow is an issue . Have a good one!
Tighten up! Use thermo barrier insulation around the base. Skin the first 4' on each corner; keeps down drafts that go around the roll up. Renewable is admirable but adds expense and sometimes a lot of work. Don't you have enough work? Propane water heater with pex lines on a Tacco 007 (1/25 hp). Keep electricity to a minimum so you can off battery and inverter if needed. Bottom heat is best.
Great comment! We are slowly tightening it up at the moment, and I agree--keep the workload down. I like some Pex I could use for something like this.. Will have to think on it.
I just remembered another thing. Check out the urban farm guys Channel, they built a biogas digester out of IBC totes and put it in one of their greenhouses. They also sell prints and diagrams for the projects they do.
Harvey Ussery has a great chicken book, The Small Scale Poultry Flock. He is in Virginia. In it he talks about a worm bed in the middle of the greenhouse, and chickens at one end. I wonder if a tall chicken tunnel with compost in it as the center "table" might provide enough heat. Who knows? But I do want to figure out how to put chickens in the greenhouse in the winter without wrecking the plastic and without making it too moist and causing comb freezer burn.
hey for keeping more heat in and or heating options. I saw a super cool old woodfired greenhouse heater the other day that might be cool to look in to if you have a readely availeble source of feul. Reneweble and such a cool oldschool method. As for keeping the heat in sealing the second door and sealing of the rol-upsides would be my first action we are doing the same here in Norway this year and it worked quite well. double poly and rowcovers and such work wonder too but they are moke expensive than just a role of tape. (side note take tape that will loosen after time, ducttape sucks in this regard). awsome content looking forward to your tour.
Thanks, Jelle! I’m looking into wood fired heaters. Also people are recommending rocket heaters, which are interesting.
i love it! i wish i had more backyard land to build one on!
Awesomeness!!🙌🙌😍😍🤗🤗
You're planning what I'd suggest & did in my passive solar greenhouse--water on the north wall. Might not hurt to do the south as well.
In walapinis, they dig a trench down the center (which you could cover with metal grates). That allows cold air to drop to the low spot. You could probably connect a solar fan to pull cold air out at the end of the trench.
(You could also use cattle panel to create a "center tunnel" & second layers of plastic sheeting to take the heat up a zone.)
For relief from heat in any of your greenhouses, look at panels on automatic gigavents. I loved those & would use them again.
I love the idea of sinking the cold like that. I’ll have to think in a practical sense for my situation how to pull it off, but makes sense. Thank you!
How about a big biomeiler style compost pile made of lots of wood chips? You could have it outside the propagation house so it doesn't take up space. To make it even simpler instead of water pipes, you could have a corrugated drainage pipe (the one with no holes) running through it, hooked to a small 12v fan that will move the heat from compost to your hoop house.
we've used hot boxes with fresh animal manure. you need quite a bit to keep sustained heat and some times to top it up but it does work. We produced a few 1000 tender plants this spring without electricity. Can be smelly and flies can be a problem.
This has always interested me from reading about Parisian market gardeners. Our mentors did it and said it worked for heat but the off-gassing was a lot to manage as it could kill plants. I’d be interested if I had the room in some small-scale composting, maybe some KNF piles mid-winter to generate a little extra heat or something.
@@notillgrowers we used scrap 8x4 sheets to make a rectangular box. We left 8" from the top and used this space to lay out trays etc. Over time as the pile broke down and reduced in height, it made room for plant growth. I used some scrap tunnel cover plastic to keep the heat in. It got very warm and heated the tunnel as well.
Also teksupply sells a uv stabilized bubble wrap greenhouse insulation
First off , two layers with inflation helps hold in 40% more of the days harvested heat :)
If the long sides of the house are facing North and South, insulating the North wall, would in theory make a difference (at least in the northern hemisphere, and even an R-value of 3-4 would provide good insulation). Air infiltration also has to be minimized though, otherwise extra warm air retained will be lost before the next day begins heating the area. Check out the book "The Year-Round Solar Greenhouse" by Schiller and Plinke (if you haven't already) for low-tech heating and cooling ideas.
Keep doing what your doing Jesse!
Thanks, Bennet! And I love that book. I should get it back out--totally forgot I own it.
Rocket mass heater. There's a good 9 min install video put out by Paul wheaton on youtube. Heat from under your walkways and under your water tanks. You'll prob need a few of them for the size your working with. They'll only use a handful of wood for each burn. It will release heat for hours and hours.
Oh cool. Okay, these have been on my radar but I haven’t really dove in yet on them. Will investigate more--Thanks!
Yay! So glad you guys got this!!! How long did it take them to put it up?
Few days! Super fast construction
Do a hot compost pile in a corner or run a pump with a coil of poly tubing inside of one through a radiator. Easy renewable heat
I’ve been toying with something involving this, for sure. Would love to do some small KNF piles throughout the spring/winter. That could work--thanks!!
Use as large a barrel as possible. Dig a trench to set them in so the top is it at a comfortable working height. Spread the soil that is removed on the new beds.
I love this idea. hadn’t thought about burying the barrels to the right height. That’s brilliant. The ones I have in our small prop house are too high, but well-sized.
You mentioned something about raised beds... how about using your raised beds as your thermal mass in bed PEX pipe in the raised beds and connect them to an evacuated tube thermal head. Another thing that we're looking at here is the biogas digester. Home biogas makes a unit you can get for about $1,000 it even has a toilet. I've built biogas digesters before out of garbage they do work burning the methane will give you a hot dose of CO2 as well. All your weeds and culled items can go into the biogas unit
Whoa, I love these ideas. So the pipes would connect to a thermal head and the head would just sit in the sun and circulate the hot water (essentially)? Is that about right? And that biogas digester is awesome
@@notillgrowers yeah more or less the thermal head should heat the water if you place the thermal head below the raised beds you should get a thermosiphon effect if not you might need a small PV Direct recirculating pump. And some kind of a blowout valve like the safety valve on your water heater. with the bio gas digester it comes with a single burner you might need to build a fire tube or mono tube water tank on top of it and a circulation pump. in theory it should work in reality I don't know. Just bouncing some ideas. Have a great day.
Double up on plastic and built two barrel furnaces that burn wood you cut down.
You could do a closed loop geothermal system with a cirulating pump to keep water from freezing and circulate the heat throught the piping. What i mean is you run the piping underground not to deep in the green house then when you leave the green house go deeper and insulate the piping so you won't lose the heat underground then back outside on to a lean to with a black metal roof and black pipping. You could make a small scale test model first. Just an idea
I definitely love this sort of stuff--it’s on my mind, for sure.
My mind is always thinking about cool ideas 👍
Solar water heater + Black tubing
Farmer Jessie,
I'm curious to know where/how do you get all your wood chips? Do you have a pto driven chopper (what kind)? Or, do you acquire all those chips by some other method? I've got to start taking back my garden from the weed pressure, and one of the ideas I like is the deep bedding mulch, but I'm wondering where/how I will get all the mulch, and what is a realistic sustainable plan? Wow, that one thought turned into a lot of questions. Thanks for your time.
I would like to know too, haha! We have the hardest time getting anyone to bring us chips here. I even paid the last tree service who came and they never came back. I have gone to the dump and picked up the freshest looking chips, but that’s time consuming on my end. It’s tough. Chase down tree trimmers ,thats my best advice!
@@notillgrowers gotcha. Well, maybe I could justify a pto driven chipper then. I figure most of the gas powered chippers out there (that I can afford) would NOT do the job. Thanks.
Oh as for small-scale chippers, everyone says they are extremely loud and time-consuming. “It’s everyone’s least favorite job on the farm” one farmer friend recently told me
Hot compost!
Could you use a double layer of plastic on front half of greenhouse and put a layer of plastic half way between like a wall to separate the front from the back so if you needed to heat it you would only be heating half of it
Huh, that’s an interesting idea. Like the greenhouse inside the greenhouse sorta thing--thanks!
Is this a kit greenhouse? What greenhouse maker is this from ? I would like to get one just like it.
barrels on North side? wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the south side? full sun~ actually maybe it's because it would shade the plants.... never mind:)
Yeah shade would be the issue, unfortunately
Lots of well-meaning suggestions here, but I think many are not speaking from personal experience. Using a mass of rotting manure as a heat source is an appealing concept but (having been there and done that) the hand labor involved in loading in (and loading out at end of season) all that composting manure is HUGE. Some form of wood-burning stove is great insurance against those freak 2 or 3 day periods of killing cold, but it is not an attractive way of maintaining temperature over long periods because that makes one a slave to the stove, feeding it every 4-6 hours for weeks on end. Been there and done that too. A wood stove feeding heat into a big thermal mass could work, but requires a big investment. So far my own low tech approach has been electric cable-heated tables (and poly or agribon covers to retain heat) coupled with a small propane heater to deal with brief ultra-cold snaps.
Thanks. Mark. I am probably going to have to get electric down there anyway for ventilation at some point. I think something like this may be the sensible place to start.
@@notillgrowers You'll want something on a thermostat, all it takes is one morning not being home and have a unexpected cold snap to kill all your tomatoes.
Either a black pop bottle wall or black barrels full of water.
Honestly, black barrels is probably going to be the first iteration.
Check out mhp gardener he has a set of videos for a wood-burning stove that keeps his Greenhouse 50 degrees warmer inside than outside in the winter time he uses it to grow tomatoes year-round.
Rocket mass stove heater? Compost pile heater? Solar collector water heater?
I’m looking into all three. May use the corners for KNF compost piles over winter or in the spring. That could be effective for additional heat. Thanks!
? wood boiler storing heat to insulated thermal storage tank and then heat exchangers(radiators) for on demand heat?
That's probably what I would do, but I would do it all with mixmash pieces and diy
Would the wood boiler be inside the tunnel or out?
keep in mind I am just making stuff up and could still be in elementary school, but In your situation from what I can see, I would probably put the boiler outside but close by and put the thermal storage inside the tunnel for simplicity (if you have the space), then just plumb in an old radiator with a fan into the thermal storage up high in the tunnel (might even thermo siphon). then to automate, just get the fan behind the radiator to turn on/off according to tunnel temperature.
I do almost everything myself so I can learn how it all works and I can improve and fix things at will, but it is certainly no the most efficient way to do it.
but I did some calculations to put a 9 cubic meter hot water storage tank under a 10x10 shed, you could hold about 350kwh worth of energy in a temperature change of 35c (say 25c to 60c). The big benefit to me will be the ability to put in heat when it is available, and to take out heat whenever i need it, and with enough insulation, an insignificant amount of energy is required to maintain the tank temperature.
I will be using this for kind of modular stackable mini greenhouses that I am currently working on, so my situation will be different and will not have the thermal tank inside the greenhouses, just radiators, and will have multiple sources pull heat off of one storage tank at unpredictable times
Check with Bill Wilson - Midwest permaculture - about a rocket mass heater in greenhouse/tunnel
Cool, someone else suggested something similar. Ill have to dive into these--thanks!
how do u guys sell your produce. im growing a lot but having a hard time knowing what to do with it.
We use three outlets--restaurants, CSA and farmers market. Having the three has been a great way to manage excess in our market. That said, it comes with managing three different outlets, which can be tough.
@@notillgrowers Thanks man. Yea I'm kinda in between homestead and market gardening. I produced like 400 lbs of spinach this spring but most of it was just given away to friends, frozen, or wasted. It came so quickly all at once I just didnt know what to do with it. Now ive got a massive cucumber crop OTW so im hoping I can actually get it to a farmers market this time. keep it up bro love ur work!
Look up jean pain.
Thanks for that tip! never hear of Jean but he seemed like an interesting guy!
Compost pile