My 44 was made in 48. Same markings and blond stock also. Serial #'s AA3000 and matching. Paid 89.99 First time I shot it the sparks ignited the spray paint cans and had to scramble to keep the woods from burning!! Shot 40rds and neck stiff for 2weeks!!! Awesome gun. The dusk shooting is huuuuge balls of fire!! God be with you. Peace
I never slugged this one so I have no idea, but wear and the normal variations found in Soviet weapons made over many years in a variety of arsenals can lead to larger or smaller bores. .315 is within the normal range I have observed in these. The pictured rifle would likely run a .312 as it is essentially unused.
Very few of them were imported in this condition, and they soon vanished off dealer shelves. The bulk of the M44's to come in with the Romanian hoard were issued and had signs of use on them.
Refurb or not, it is a well made and brutally efficient piece of steel and wood that won't let the user down and bring hell on those on the receiving end of the business end. Love the bayo, too.
My 44 Izzy is all matching as well, however in the darker stock. It is missing the refurb markings as well. Was lucky to pick it up at a gun show for $225. Absolutely my favorite 'Nagant variant to date.
Well, that's a new one, buying guns at a costume ball. I bought a couple of 22's at a car show once from a big guy with a beard who could have portrayed a pretty good Santa had it been Christmas time.
I have a almost identical 1947 M44 with the EXACT same cyclic letters. Same blonde stock and amazing blueing and finish. No sign of a refurb mar anywhere on the metal.
It's been 10 years since I bought any M44's, I got used to $80 price tags. If I didn't have one I would pay the $400 one time only, no buying them four and five at a time like back in the day. I just hate paying that kind of money for something I once got for next to nothing. If you count the type 53 then I once did get one for nothing. I have enough ammo to last my lifetime, I don't shoot that much anymore, mostly .22's and my black powder stuff. Surplus ammo is like money these days so I go easy on that
This is one of the earlier imports, they came in with the lot from Romania in the early 90's before the Ukrainian hoard arrived. The Ukrainian imports were brought in packed in nice wood crates, these early ones came wrapped in paper tied with string. They had leather slings and Mauser round brass oilers. Few if any had the red tinted shellac, or the sloppy blue often seen on the later imports. They showed up on the gun store shelves when the only Mosin competition they had was from the rusty and battered Chinese type 53's. They sold cheap because few collectors would give them a glance when the rest of the rack was full of US M1, M1 Carbine, M1903, 1917, and even Krag rifles. I should have bought the entire row of them instead of just the one, I could be selling them now for 600 each or more.
Heyyy, We have the same year and make, although your stock is slightly Nicer than mine, although I really got lucky finding one with a very nice stock as most I had come across were pretty dinged up. Ill never part with mine, such a cool piece of history.
The refurb M44's are at least a hundred bucks more than the refurb 91/30 if you can find one. Molot brought some out of Russia last year and sold them in the $225-$250 range. They sold them as "hunting rifles" and it is as yet unknown exactly how much refurbishing Molot did to them, and how much was done by the Soviets. If you keep an eye on gunbroker you could turn one up for under $200, but if you don't have your own FFL there will be transfer fees involved.
I have one EXACTLY like it...same year same mfg same condition, and I bought it at about the same time for $99...I shoot mine regularly and I get a 2" group at 100 yards with just about anything I put through it, heavy or light ball. I love mine!
At he time I bought this it was one of only three I had, the others being a Chinese type 53 and a brand new Polish M44. The pole was stored away still in it's packaging, and remains that way 22 years later, so I did a lot of shooting with this rifle back in the day. I am no great shot, thick glasses and crap eyesight, but I could keep it within 4" most of the time. Younger eyes did do better with this rifle a time or two.
@@RockIsland1913 I have a non import type 53 carbine dated 1954 and it's in great condition. All numbers match except for the butt plate and I'll never part with it. Thing is a cannon and will actually rattle the windows in my house with the concussion. Currently have it loaded with 204 grain Brown Bear soft points and they hit with authority.
Any backstory on it? In the US surplus rifles have been mandated to have an import mark placed on them by the 1968 gun control act. China was not exporting firearms to the US until after 1986 when the surplus arms floodgates reopened. First import type 53's I remember seeing started to show up in the late 1980's, 1988-89 sometime. They were import marked as required, and very rough for the most part. This was the era when China was dumping huge quantities of everything from new SKS, and AK's to Commission 88's. The only time I come across one without an import mark, and in better than usual condition they tend to be veteran bringhomes from the Vietnam War. This was a very common Viet Cong weapon, and there were no restrictions stopping our GI's from bringing one home if they found one.
Well I dragged out my M44 (the freakin' thing weighs a ton) and took a good look. I noticed in your video that your gun has the same proof marks as mine. The wreath with hammer and sickle and the triangle below the serial number are proof marks from Izhevsk (as you mention). Mine is dated 1944 and the serial numbers (14xx) are on the action, bolt, magazine floor plate and metal butt stock. Mine has the laminated stock and of course that wicked folding spike bayonet. Wish I knew what it's worth?
Sounds like you have a post WW2 Soviet refurbished M44, these trade for $250-$400 depending on condition. The laminated stock will up the price a bit as these are replacements used in the late war period and post war during the refurbs. Carbines are always popular and prices have been climbing steadily for several years. The weight is about the same as the 91/30 rifle due to a thicker barrel than used on other carbines like the M38 and the bayonet.
I have a 1945 that has a blond stock. Same beautiful bluing and non refurbished as well. I live in Canada and have owned and seen many Soviet firearms and yours is the only one other than mine that I've seen that has the blond stock like that. I think they are fairly rare.
Great video. Might I add that you have a north eastern dialect. Am I correct ? I just purchased a M44 Mosin made in 1947. Weapon is in great unfinished condition, not as nice as yours but nice. Oh and I paid 600 bucks for mine with an authentic sling.
Glad I got my M44 Izzy '46 last summer. Bluing is perfectly 99% intact, and has a mirror shiny bore with strong rifling. Brass handguard caps and the wood has a few handling marks with what I call "Russian rust" finish. By Russian rust, I mean a perfect balance of the blonde wood and a coat of shellac, giving it more of a light red/brown look to it without looking like blood red or "Russian red." With the bad political climate in Ukraine and the US, and just by looking at Gunbroker, It seems the M44s are drying up fast and are within the $350-400 range. Just like you, if I had passed on my rifle, I would seriously be kicking myself in the ass today.
I picked up my 1946 M44 back in 2018 for only $299 at a gunshow only detriment to it was a non matching bolt. And it seems it was from the Romanian cache as it had Romanian type stock repairs.
Is it a plain number 2, or 02? 02 is the Hungarian code found on Hungarian made Mosins, parts get mixed around on both Soviet, and Romanian imports of the M44 so it is possible to find a Hungarian part in a Soviet M44, the Soviets took many Hungarian Mosins prisoner during the 1956 uprising. Two 02 parts would be unusual, then I would thing Romanian import from the 90's, the last stop for many M44's used in the east block was Romania, sent there as military aid when Romania's own production couldn't keep up. If it's a plain 2 then it's a Soviet inspection number, other than that there is no information.
Absolutely beautiful rifle but I think that bolts been polished already I have the same rifle from that era and the boat is not polished those rifles hurt common for having a sticky Bolt
Nice rifle .... leather sling is really nice. I got a Korean war bring back 1945...not rework..no import marks...bit of wear...jumped on it in the 80s. A Polish would also be really nice.... A friend has one...no import marks any where. The Mosin 44 is a favorite.
For fit and finish the post war Polish, Hungarian, and Romanian M44's do take the prize. I have seen a few Korean bringbacks, at the time they were all still owned by the guys who brought them back. Probably the closest you would get to what a Soviet M44 looked like in 1945 before the refurbishments started. Some would have been refurbished by the Soviets before being sent to DPRK, maybe all of them, so they can be confused today with more recent imports from the Balkans that have Soviet refurb stamps on them but also have that broken in look. The lack of import stamps is a clue, not many M44's came in before 1968 when such markings became government mandated. Just type 53's from Vietnam, or the Korean war bringhomes. None would have been with the Spanish imports of the 50's as M44's didn't exist when Stalin sent rifles to the Spanish republicans in 1936-37. I do have one 1945 Soviet M44 with no import marks, but also no provenance to say for sure it's a Korean War era bringhome. Likely is, any bringhome is a cool find.
@@RockIsland1913 My friend that got me into shooting milsurp has a like new Polish M44, it has the best fit & finish of any Mosin I have seen. They are really nice. It also has no import marks.... he picked it up in the early eighties...maybe just a fluke.
On a Polish M44 that would be very unusual. We had to wait for the wall to fall after 1989 before Polands M44's came on the market. They didn't come in from Poland, but from Romania who had been supplied with Polish and Hungarian M44's as military aid when they couldn't manage to make their own fast enough. I bought one of the unissued Polish M44's some 27 years ago. It's still unfired except for factory test rounds, and with the arsenal storage grease inside the action.
It’s a refurb not original. Barrel bands are brass on originals. Black painted during refurb. I have a 9130 pu with brass bands. Scope mounts were plugged and bolt was changed. I’m gonna have the plugs drilled and make it original again as a pu sniper
The bands on all Mosins are steel, spring steel for the 91/30, M38, and M44. You can't make a spring out of brass, and that's what these bands are, springs. This allows them to clamp tightly to the stock despite being open on the bottom. The old Dragoon rifles were a closed ring design, when humidity swelled the stock wood a bit getting the bands on or off became real fun. The M91 rifle uses a split ring with a screw on the bottom that can be clamped tight, still these bands would walk off when the rifle was being fired. That would be why the Finn's added tiny screws to keep them in place. The Soviets did use black paint during the refurb to hide many bluing sins, the bands might have a dab of paint were needed, but I haven't seen that on any of my refurbs, and I have crates of them bought back in the cheap days. The Soviets special selected the rifles that were turned into PU's, they pulled barreled actions that had a higher level of accuracy. When wear and time reduced that accuracy below a certain threshold the rifle was decommissioned and returned to infantry rifle status. You can drill out the welds, put repop sniper parts back on it and it will look like a PU again, but it will never be what it was in it's heyday. It is still possible to find the real thing, they are not cheap, at least a grand or more by now I think. Brass is used in the bands of some rifles. They turn up on some No1 MKIII* Enfields, muskets, here and there on other rifles, but I don't remember all of them. Brass is a metal needed in other areas of the war effort, even the Enfield did away with the brass band during the war.
I got myself a 1944 M44; Izhevsk. Appears issued but isn't in any kind of sub-par condition. I presume it was issued to an artillery crew or other rear-line unit and didn't see much action. Molot rifle. Only wear is a few scrapes, dings, and splotches in the stock's finish. Might restore those splotches, might not.
Molot has been exporting these rifles from Russia much the same way the Ukrainians have been doing for 15 years or so with the stockpile of Soviet era Mosins left on their territory. There is some question as to exactly what Molot does to the rifles before exporting them, quick stock or metal refinishing is a possibility. Basically what you have a Soviet era WW2 rifle that has been refurbished post war, likely by the Soviets, but maybe with a little touchup from Molot. The Ukrainian hoard rifles were all refurbished after the war just like yours, these were at the time Soviet state property and prepositioned around the Evil Empire for issue should there be a war. They were also sent as aid to other peoples wars in places like Cuba, South America, North Korea, anyplace some communist group needed assistance during the Cold War. Leave the stock as it is so the next generation can see what level our enemies operated at, this is typical of how the reds did things, it had to look good from 20 feet, if it did then that was good enough. Slovenliness is seen again and again in the way some of the refurbs were finished, fortunately the real work of rifle making was done at Izhevsk, and Tula ( among other arsenals) so the bones of these rifles are solid. The entire refurb project that ran for over 30 years was a giant socialist make work project to refurbish outdated weapons ( that only supplied us with toys in the end) that sucked up hundreds of millions of dollars, it's no real surprise that the Soviet government collapsed in the end. The other deviation noticed in the Molot Russian exports has been with the engraved extra markings , I was told these were added to satisfy Russian state rules regarding proof testing , but I have not confirmed that. M44's are not nearly as common, or as cheap as they once were, get them when you see them, with the historical popularity of carbines among American shooters they are sure to be the first Mosin type to vanish into collections, and it seems they are doing just that.
RockIsland1913 Yeah the story about Molot's markings being there to appease Russia's rules makes sense; thankfully they are very unobtrusive. I never even noticed mine until I disassembled the thing for inspection, and the major ones are under the top handguard. At any rate, I have a very beautiful specimen, sans minor blemishes in the finish. I'll keep her just as she is, scratches and all(though I did remove the bayonet for aesthetic purposes. I still have it around, in case I need to put it back on). Sent an email to Molot asking about my rifle, with pictures included, and never got a response. Also it greatly upsets me that I wasn't old enough to grab these rifles when they were in the neighborhood of a hundred dollars and abundantly available. I see basic 91/30's that are not ex-Dragoons or ex-snipers going for $200+ online and in my area of southeast Michigan. It's quite ridiculous frankly. Paid about $295 for my M44 which is about the absolute cheapest I've seen one(saved a whopping $5 off average retail price. Truly a riveting deal). Anyway, I'll probably snag an M38 and a Type 53 next. Absolutely love the M38 for the way it looks; same with the M44, except the side-folding bayonet's a bit ugly in my eyes. Something about those little carbine-sized Mosins is just truly amazing(and it's not the recoil, though that's 'special' in it's own right).
***** The M44 was sighted in at the arsenal with the bayonet deployed, it is supposed to be fired with the bayonet deployed. Most of us adjust the front sight, it can be drifted carefully left or right to correct a windage problem so we can shoot with the bayonet closed. There are tools available such as the Elby sight tool that can make this easier. Having the bayonet deployed on a public shooting range is not safe as with more people crowding around someone could get stuck, it also makes the carbine more awkward to maneuver. I always liked the M38, and M91/59 for their lack of bayonets, the 91/30 refurbished rifles were also sighted in with bayonet mounted.
Me too ! Some fun times. First Mosin carbine I bought was a Finn reworked and marked M38 in 1990 for less than $50 from a guy who wanted it gone because he had a new baby on the way.
@@RockIsland1913 Me and a friend bought a crate with like twenty caked in cosmoline for around $50 or a lil under and sold them all for a small profit. Wish Id put that crate back now!
I have enough M44's to fill a crate, probably as many M38 also, but with the 91/30's I bought an empty crate and hand selected every rifle I put in it. The video is someplace on this channel. Ex dragoon Soviet rebuilds, original dragoons, Finn rebuilt 91/30's Spanish Civil war marked Soviet aid rifles, and so on. I had a lot of fun back in the happy time.
Do you have an M44 like the one in the video? If so then it should fold out unless it's rusted shut, or has been welded shut. In some places it's not legal to have a bayonet that stays attached and folds out, do you live someplace like that. I have no idea otherwise. Do you know how to deploy the bayonet catch to fold it open?
I just handled one of the 1946 Mosin M44s. No import markings that I could see. Mind you it was imported into Canada, where I am. I wonder what I should offer the guy? It's in very good to excellent condition with all numbers matching. Any ideas?
Here in the States such a rifle would be $300+, the Canadian market is different, you get things like SVT40's for under $300 while here in the US they run $900+ due to their not having been imported in many years. Canada has no import mark requirement, all of your Soviet arms should be no import markings unless imported from a US supplier. A basic Russian Molot M44 recent import in the US is $250-$300 for a wartime red shellac Soviet era style refurb. Some of the older Ukranian imports are running over $300.
I have one in exact same condition same color and year. I have a question as to if you know what the "r" after the production year is for I have attempted to look it up with no luck.
The R means year , not refurb. The Soviets had various names they may have used for the make work projects of refurbishing old weapons systems, but they would not have called them refurbs, or refurbished. Western collectors use these words to describe these rifles.
Cool deal. I wouldn't pay what some are asking for these now either. Not that they aren't good rifles or actually worth at least 250 as functional firearms if you ignore the collector aspect, but after having bought them for $50 or less I just can't bring myself to pay $350-$450. Of course it's easy for me to say that given that I own several, if I didn't then maybe I would be rethinking buying one at 2018's price. There is no such thing as an unfired Mosin, they were all proof test fired at the arsenal, and then test fired for accurate sight alignment before being put into store or sent to the field. What there is are rifles that simply didn't get issued, every army has reserve weapons that end up being sold off with the issued ones when a new weapons platform is adopted. Good to hear that there are still some nice M44's out there at an affordable price.
I picked up a 46 M44 at a gunshow on Sunday for $299 Izshevek All matching except the bolt. And it had a interesting stock repair 3 wedge plugs zt the front of the stock. and it was a extremely low number SN NH870.
US rifles started at serial number one and ran up from there, not so with Soviet ones, They scrambled them around to keep enemy's from determining weapons production capability's by checking serial numbers of captured weapons. We simply didn't care, we were producing millions of small arms and were happy to let the enemy know about it. Sounds like you may have one of the Balkan imports, mismatched bolts and that kind of stock repair are not generally found on Soviet refurbished rifles, but were common on Balkan field repaired ones. We had a big lot of them come in from Romania back in the early 90's, and another about 7 years ago from the Balkan region that had been used in the recent unpleasantness there. Nice find, and at a good price considering JG sales just started selling 91/30 Soviet refurbs at $450
Incredibly enough, two weeks after I finally found and purchased an unisued M44, I ended up buying a legit (not a converted 91/30) Mosin Nagant for even less than the M44. The guy who sold me the rifle too didn't plan to sell it but his wife kinda forced him to. Apparently he never used it and it just sat there collecting dust. I cleaned it up real nice and repaired a crack in the stock. Afterwards I took it to a 500 yard range and it was incredibly accurate at least at that distance. I managed to stay within 1.5 inch groupings. I think the trigger pull on this rifle is in large part what makes a remarkable difference in accuracy compared to other Mosin Nagant rifles. I didn't know a Mosin could have such a nice trigger pull. On the flip side, I cannot get consistent groups out of my M44. Obviously it uses only iron sights, but the trigger pull is horrible and perhaps the bayonet play a small role in making it slightly less accurate than it could be.
1947 was a low production year making it a harder date to find. "47 eluded me for several years back when M44's flooded the market and I was making a 1943-1948 collection.
Yea it's issued, to me for 24 years, if I knew then what I know now about what people would be paying for these I would have bought the dealers entire stock and had him order me more. I did buy more later on as they came available on the market, but they were the more generic Soviet refurbs brought in from Ukraine in the wood crates. I don't think we ever did find out who stored Mosins in oily paper wrapped with string. I still remember every detail of that transaction, how much, the dickering, who was hanging around in the shop, the ammo I bought with it, the other guns I looked at that day. Can remember maybe half of what I did today, but a gun transaction from near a quarter century ago is no problem.
My translation program has your question as- Would you please write to us if (M 44 Mosin) The weapons of chromium in the barrel? If so, in what year? The bore is not chrome lined on any Soviet bolt action military rifle that I have, that includes Finnish reworks and rifles made in Poland, Hungary, China, or Romania. I have seen chrome lined bores in SKS rifles, but they started doing that later than the 1950 Tula SKS I own.
Early Soviet SKS also lacks a chrome lined bore, my 1950 Tula is lacking the chrome. The Soviets set up the Chinese state with tooling and expertise to make these rifles, examples are known to still have Soviet markings on some parts. I suppose the early rifles in China as in the Soviet Union needed to prepare for the chrome process before implementing it, yet production needed to get started. Chrome isn't necessary for a rifle to function after all.
This video is from 8 years ago, in that time we had gained access to a great deal more information on these Soviet Mosins than we had early on. This is thanks mostly to research being done inside Russia using original source material and slowly being published in English ( in Russian first of course ) This carbine is still somewhat of a mystery to me, if it is a refurb then it's characteristics do not match the many other Soviet M44 refurbs I own. Not in stock finish, bluing quality, or in it's original import packaging. This was the first M44 I bought back around 1993-94, before the flood of Mosins started to pour in from Ukraine, at least the refurb Mosins. At that time we were mostly seeing imports from Romania, and most of these tended to be well used. It was wrapped in layers of thin paper and string, no sign of the wood crate, accessories, red shellac. My dealer at the time, some years before I got my own FFL, had maybe ten of them like this, and they were a new experience for us after knowing only well used Chinese T53's from Omega that looked like they had been to see the elephant about fifty times, and never cleaned afterward. Years later the M44 would be a common item along with all the other Soviets' refurbs. My dealer did sell these as new unfired rifles. Wishful thinking? Yea, probably, but at the time we had no clue what to make of them.
@@RockIsland1913 yeaup , pretty much any rifle is nearly impossible to aquire legally and no pistols . I’m a criminal though so the laws don’t apply to me 😆
A minor work of art as well as a piece of history.
That sir is in superb condition! Lucky for you
It's clearly been refurbished.
That is a beautiful M44 my friend. I've been looking for one for awhile.
That is one sweet looking M44
Stock repair and painted handgaurd caps indicate refurbishment of an issued rifle.
It's definitely been refurbed but a nice rifle nonetheless.
They are so much fun to shoot. Your carbine is just beautiful! In Canada you'd get around $1000 for it today.
My 44 was made in 48. Same markings and blond stock also. Serial #'s AA3000 and matching. Paid 89.99 First time I shot it the sparks ignited the spray paint cans and had to scramble to keep the woods from burning!! Shot 40rds and neck stiff for 2weeks!!! Awesome gun. The dusk shooting is huuuuge balls of fire!!
God be with you. Peace
As far as buying guns back in the day goes, I told my pops what Polytech Akms go for today. He about flipped!
Wowww that condition. Very gorgeous
We’ve got 2 m-44’d Brand new.. accurate at 250 yards at open sights!!
I never slugged this one so I have no idea, but wear and the normal variations found in Soviet weapons made over many years in a variety of arsenals can lead to larger or smaller bores. .315 is within the normal range I have observed in these. The pictured rifle would likely run a .312 as it is essentially unused.
Very few of them were imported in this condition, and they soon vanished off dealer shelves. The bulk of the M44's to come in with the Romanian hoard were issued and had signs of use on them.
Refurb or not, it is a well made and brutally efficient piece of steel and wood that won't let the user down and bring hell on those on the receiving end of the business end. Love the bayo, too.
Beautiful hardware, wow.
My 44 Izzy is all matching as well, however in the darker stock. It is missing the refurb markings as well. Was lucky to pick it up at a gun show for $225. Absolutely my favorite 'Nagant variant to date.
I bought mine in the 1990's from Abe Lincoln at a local gun show. At least the guy was dressed like Abe Lincoln. It felt weird to buy a gun from Abe.
Well, that's a new one, buying guns at a costume ball. I bought a couple of 22's at a car show once from a big guy with a beard who could have portrayed a pretty good Santa had it been Christmas time.
I have a almost identical 1947 M44 with the EXACT same cyclic letters. Same blonde stock and amazing blueing and finish. No sign of a refurb mar anywhere on the metal.
Super nice m44 referb! worth every bit of 400+ these days. 10 years ago it would still be 100 lol.
Too bad we cant get that 7.62x54r surplus anymore.
It's been 10 years since I bought any M44's, I got used to $80 price tags. If I didn't have one I would pay the $400 one time only, no buying them four and five at a time like back in the day. I just hate paying that kind of money for something I once got for next to nothing. If you count the type 53 then I once did get one for nothing. I have enough ammo to last my lifetime, I don't shoot that much anymore, mostly .22's and my black powder stuff. Surplus ammo is like money these days so I go easy on that
That is the best I've seen of any Mosin model 44.
This is one of the earlier imports, they came in with the lot from Romania in the early 90's before the Ukrainian hoard arrived. The Ukrainian imports were brought in packed in nice wood crates, these early ones came wrapped in paper tied with string. They had leather slings and Mauser round brass oilers. Few if any had the red tinted shellac, or the sloppy blue often seen on the later imports. They showed up on the gun store shelves when the only Mosin competition they had was from the rusty and battered Chinese type 53's. They sold cheap because few collectors would give them a glance when the rest of the rack was full of US M1, M1 Carbine, M1903, 1917, and even Krag rifles. I should have bought the entire row of them instead of just the one, I could be selling them now for 600 each or more.
Very very nice... Just got mine from Classic. Doesn't look like it's ever been fired!!
Heyyy,
We have the same year and make, although your stock is slightly Nicer than mine, although I really got lucky finding one with a very nice stock as most I had come across were pretty dinged up. Ill never part with mine, such a cool piece of history.
Love the sling. Nice 44
If you are not listening to the Enemy at the Gates sound track while watching this, you are wrong.
low wall pre-war receiver, it's manufacture date is on the bottom
Great looking ruffle I also on a 46 izhevsk m44. I might video it soon
The refurb M44's are at least a hundred bucks more than the refurb 91/30 if you can find one. Molot brought some out of Russia last year and sold them in the $225-$250 range. They sold them as "hunting rifles" and it is as yet unknown exactly how much refurbishing Molot did to them, and how much was done by the Soviets. If you keep an eye on gunbroker you could turn one up for under $200, but if you don't have your own FFL there will be transfer fees involved.
I have one EXACTLY like it...same year same mfg same condition, and I bought it at about the same time for $99...I shoot mine regularly and I get a 2" group at 100 yards with just about anything I put through it, heavy or light ball. I love mine!
At he time I bought this it was one of only three I had, the others being a Chinese type 53 and a brand new Polish M44. The pole was stored away still in it's packaging, and remains that way 22 years later, so I did a lot of shooting with this rifle back in the day. I am no great shot, thick glasses and crap eyesight, but I could keep it within 4" most of the time. Younger eyes did do better with this rifle a time or two.
@@RockIsland1913 I have a non import type 53 carbine dated 1954 and it's in great condition. All numbers match except for the butt plate and I'll never part with it. Thing is a cannon and will actually rattle the windows in my house with the concussion. Currently have it loaded with 204 grain Brown Bear soft points and they hit with authority.
Any backstory on it? In the US surplus rifles have been mandated to have an import mark placed on them by the 1968 gun control act. China was not exporting firearms to the US until after 1986 when the surplus arms floodgates reopened. First import type 53's I remember seeing started to show up in the late 1980's, 1988-89 sometime. They were import marked as required, and very rough for the most part. This was the era when China was dumping huge quantities of everything from new SKS, and AK's to Commission 88's. The only time I come across one without an import mark, and in better than usual condition they tend to be veteran bringhomes from the Vietnam War. This was a very common Viet Cong weapon, and there were no restrictions stopping our GI's from bringing one home if they found one.
Well I dragged out my M44 (the freakin' thing weighs a ton) and took a good look. I noticed in your video that your gun has the same proof marks as mine. The wreath with hammer and sickle and the triangle below the serial number are proof marks from Izhevsk (as you mention). Mine is dated 1944 and the serial numbers (14xx) are on the action, bolt, magazine floor plate and metal butt stock. Mine has the laminated stock and of course that wicked folding spike bayonet. Wish I knew what it's worth?
Sounds like you have a post WW2 Soviet refurbished M44, these trade for $250-$400 depending on condition. The laminated stock will up the price a bit as these are replacements used in the late war period and post war during the refurbs. Carbines are always popular and prices have been climbing steadily for several years. The weight is about the same as the 91/30 rifle due to a thicker barrel than used on other carbines like the M38 and the bayonet.
I have a 1945 that has a blond stock. Same beautiful bluing and non refurbished as well. I live in Canada and have owned and seen many Soviet firearms and yours is the only one other than mine that I've seen that has the blond stock like that. I think they are fairly rare.
This have definitely been refurbished. You people are stupid.
Nice m44, I have a Polish version 1954 made in Radom in excellent condition like yours.....
Nice Gun! I have a refurb but the metal and the bore look almost new
Great video. Might I add that you have a north eastern dialect. Am I correct ? I just purchased a M44 Mosin made in 1947. Weapon is in great unfinished condition, not as nice as yours but nice. Oh and I paid 600 bucks for mine with an authentic sling.
Glad I got my M44 Izzy '46 last summer. Bluing is perfectly 99% intact, and has a mirror shiny bore with strong rifling. Brass handguard caps and the wood has a few handling marks with what I call "Russian rust" finish. By Russian rust, I mean a perfect balance of the blonde wood and a coat of shellac, giving it more of a light red/brown look to it without looking like blood red or "Russian red."
With the bad political climate in Ukraine and the US, and just by looking at Gunbroker, It seems the M44s are drying up fast and are within the $350-400 range. Just like you, if I had passed on my rifle, I would seriously be kicking myself in the ass today.
I picked up my 1946 M44 back in 2018 for only $299 at a gunshow only detriment to it was a non matching bolt. And it seems it was from the Romanian cache as it had Romanian type stock repairs.
That is a beauty.
Is it a plain number 2, or 02? 02 is the Hungarian code found on Hungarian made Mosins, parts get mixed around on both Soviet, and Romanian imports of the M44 so it is possible to find a Hungarian part in a Soviet M44, the Soviets took many Hungarian Mosins prisoner during the 1956 uprising. Two 02 parts would be unusual, then I would thing Romanian import from the 90's, the last stop for many M44's used in the east block was Romania, sent there as military aid when Romania's own production couldn't keep up. If it's a plain 2 then it's a Soviet inspection number, other than that there is no information.
I bought my wife an m44 mosin nagant for her birthday and its her favorite rifle for moose. I spent $ 550. Canadian
With performance similar to the .30-06 it will do well of Moose. Gone are the days of the $45 M44.
Absolutely beautiful rifle but I think that bolts been polished already I have the same rifle from that era and the boat is not polished those rifles hurt common for having a sticky Bolt
Nice rifle .... leather sling is really nice. I got a Korean war bring back 1945...not rework..no import marks...bit of wear...jumped on it in the 80s. A Polish would also be really nice.... A friend has one...no import marks any where. The Mosin 44 is a favorite.
For fit and finish the post war Polish, Hungarian, and Romanian M44's do take the prize. I have seen a few Korean bringbacks, at the time they were all still owned by the guys who brought them back. Probably the closest you would get to what a Soviet M44 looked like in 1945 before the refurbishments started. Some would have been refurbished by the Soviets before being sent to DPRK, maybe all of them, so they can be confused today with more recent imports from the Balkans that have Soviet refurb stamps on them but also have that broken in look. The lack of import stamps is a clue, not many M44's came in before 1968 when such markings became government mandated. Just type 53's from Vietnam, or the Korean war bringhomes. None would have been with the Spanish imports of the 50's as M44's didn't exist when Stalin sent rifles to the Spanish republicans in 1936-37. I do have one 1945 Soviet M44 with no import marks, but also no provenance to say for sure it's a Korean War era bringhome. Likely is, any bringhome is a cool find.
@@RockIsland1913 My friend that got me into shooting milsurp has a like new Polish M44, it has the best fit & finish of any Mosin I have seen. They are really nice. It also has no import marks.... he picked it up in the early eighties...maybe just a fluke.
On a Polish M44 that would be very unusual. We had to wait for the wall to fall after 1989 before Polands M44's came on the market. They didn't come in from Poland, but from Romania who had been supplied with Polish and Hungarian M44's as military aid when they couldn't manage to make their own fast enough. I bought one of the unissued Polish M44's some 27 years ago. It's still unfired except for factory test rounds, and with the arsenal storage grease inside the action.
it has refurbish marks all over it sorry
correct
Sam Hyde did it.
I don’t see any refurb marks
Beautiful
My god that has a beautiful stock you definitely got a keeper that's one of the mosins that will be worth big money later on.
It's been refurbished.
@@mizzoupatriot8814 What's wrong with refurbished? I don't know.
Great video. I'm picking up my first M44 tomorrow. Right now my only mosin is a 1937 Finnish
Still black powder testing in 1946
That rifle is built for the long haul.
Thats a mint rifle. Wonder why its does not have the Ishvesk cartouch in the buttstock.
nice video thanks
This will be my next gun. How much more do these typically sell for compared to the 91/30?
GunsAreEssential1975 I bought mine for 325$
Nice rifle :D
It’s a refurb not original. Barrel bands are brass on originals. Black painted during refurb. I have a 9130 pu with brass bands. Scope mounts were plugged and bolt was changed. I’m gonna have the plugs drilled and make it original again as a pu sniper
The bands on all Mosins are steel, spring steel for the 91/30, M38, and M44. You can't make a spring out of brass, and that's what these bands are, springs. This allows them to clamp tightly to the stock despite being open on the bottom. The old Dragoon rifles were a closed ring design, when humidity swelled the stock wood a bit getting the bands on or off became real fun. The M91 rifle uses a split ring with a screw on the bottom that can be clamped tight, still these bands would walk off when the rifle was being fired. That would be why the Finn's added tiny screws to keep them in place. The Soviets did use black paint during the refurb to hide many bluing sins, the bands might have a dab of paint were needed, but I haven't seen that on any of my refurbs, and I have crates of them bought back in the cheap days. The Soviets special selected the rifles that were turned into PU's, they pulled barreled actions that had a higher level of accuracy. When wear and time reduced that accuracy below a certain threshold the rifle was decommissioned and returned to infantry rifle status. You can drill out the welds, put repop sniper parts back on it and it will look like a PU again, but it will never be what it was in it's heyday. It is still possible to find the real thing, they are not cheap, at least a grand or more by now I think. Brass is used in the bands of some rifles. They turn up on some No1 MKIII* Enfields, muskets, here and there on other rifles, but I don't remember all of them. Brass is a metal needed in other areas of the war effort, even the Enfield did away with the brass band during the war.
I got myself a 1944 M44; Izhevsk. Appears issued but isn't in any kind of sub-par condition. I presume it was issued to an artillery crew or other rear-line unit and didn't see much action. Molot rifle. Only wear is a few scrapes, dings, and splotches in the stock's finish. Might restore those splotches, might not.
Molot has been exporting these rifles from Russia much the same way the Ukrainians have been doing for 15 years or so with the stockpile of Soviet era Mosins left on their territory. There is some question as to exactly what Molot does to the rifles before exporting them, quick stock or metal refinishing is a possibility. Basically what you have a Soviet era WW2 rifle that has been refurbished post war, likely by the Soviets, but maybe with a little touchup from Molot. The Ukrainian hoard rifles were all refurbished after the war just like yours, these were at the time Soviet state property and prepositioned around the Evil Empire for issue should there be a war. They were also sent as aid to other peoples wars in places like Cuba, South America, North Korea, anyplace some communist group needed assistance during the Cold War. Leave the stock as it is so the next generation can see what level our enemies operated at, this is typical of how the reds did things, it had to look good from 20 feet, if it did then that was good enough. Slovenliness is seen again and again in the way some of the refurbs were finished, fortunately the real work of rifle making was done at Izhevsk, and Tula ( among other arsenals) so the bones of these rifles are solid. The entire refurb project that ran for over 30 years was a giant socialist make work project to refurbish outdated weapons ( that only supplied us with toys in the end) that sucked up hundreds of millions of dollars, it's no real surprise that the Soviet government collapsed in the end. The other deviation noticed in the Molot Russian exports has been with the engraved extra markings , I was told these were added to satisfy Russian state rules regarding proof testing , but I have not confirmed that. M44's are not nearly as common, or as cheap as they once were, get them when you see them, with the historical popularity of carbines among American shooters they are sure to be the first Mosin type to vanish into collections, and it seems they are doing just that.
RockIsland1913 Yeah the story about Molot's markings being there to appease Russia's rules makes sense; thankfully they are very unobtrusive. I never even noticed mine until I disassembled the thing for inspection, and the major ones are under the top handguard. At any rate, I have a very beautiful specimen, sans minor blemishes in the finish. I'll keep her just as she is, scratches and all(though I did remove the bayonet for aesthetic purposes. I still have it around, in case I need to put it back on). Sent an email to Molot asking about my rifle, with pictures included, and never got a response. Also it greatly upsets me that I wasn't old enough to grab these rifles when they were in the neighborhood of a hundred dollars and abundantly available. I see basic 91/30's that are not ex-Dragoons or ex-snipers going for $200+ online and in my area of southeast Michigan. It's quite ridiculous frankly. Paid about $295 for my M44 which is about the absolute cheapest I've seen one(saved a whopping $5 off average retail price. Truly a riveting deal).
Anyway, I'll probably snag an M38 and a Type 53 next. Absolutely love the M38 for the way it looks; same with the M44, except the side-folding bayonet's a bit ugly in my eyes. Something about those little carbine-sized Mosins is just truly amazing(and it's not the recoil, though that's 'special' in it's own right).
hello
Do you have accuracy problems when the bayonet is folded ? My M44 is accurate when the bayonet is deployed. (sorry for my english)
***** The M44 was sighted in at the arsenal with the bayonet deployed, it is supposed to be fired with the bayonet deployed. Most of us adjust the front sight, it can be drifted carefully left or right to correct a windage problem so we can shoot with the bayonet closed. There are tools available such as the Elby sight tool that can make this easier. Having the bayonet deployed on a public shooting range is not safe as with more people crowding around someone could get stuck, it also makes the carbine more awkward to maneuver. I always liked the M38, and M91/59 for their lack of bayonets, the 91/30 refurbished rifles were also sighted in with bayonet mounted.
Very nice!
Used to buy M44s for $50 back in the late 90s
Me too ! Some fun times. First Mosin carbine I bought was a Finn reworked and marked M38 in 1990 for less than $50 from a guy who wanted it gone because he had a new baby on the way.
@@RockIsland1913 Me and a friend bought a crate with like twenty caked in cosmoline for around $50 or a lil under and sold them all for a small profit. Wish Id put that crate back now!
I have enough M44's to fill a crate, probably as many M38 also, but with the 91/30's I bought an empty crate and hand selected every rifle I put in it. The video is someplace on this channel. Ex dragoon Soviet rebuilds, original dragoons, Finn rebuilt 91/30's Spanish Civil war marked Soviet aid rifles, and so on. I had a lot of fun back in the happy time.
nice one.
Sweet rifle.
Very nice gun 👍
VERY GOOD ... 👍👍👍👍✋
Nice rifle but it's definitely been refurbed. I can tell by looking at it. Regardless it's a very sweet rifle.
How can you tell?
That one looks unissued, great condition.
Looks good :)
I HAVE ONE MADE IN CHECH AND IT IS FLAWLESS
Nice!
i believe its a refurb sorry there is black paint on it
1954 Romanian here
I have this model Same
What dies yours slug out to. Mine has been counterbored and slug came out .315 but the bore looks very good. Why so big.? Is yours the same?
Do you have an M44 like the one in the video? If so then it should fold out unless it's rusted shut, or has been welded shut. In some places it's not legal to have a bayonet that stays attached and folds out, do you live someplace like that. I have no idea otherwise. Do you know how to deploy the bayonet catch to fold it open?
pull the collar and swing the bayonet out and over the barrel.
I just handled one of the 1946 Mosin M44s. No import markings that I could see. Mind you it was imported into Canada, where I am. I wonder what I should offer the guy? It's in very good to excellent condition with all numbers matching. Any ideas?
Here in the States such a rifle would be $300+, the Canadian market is different, you get things like SVT40's for under $300 while here in the US they run $900+ due to their not having been imported in many years. Canada has no import mark requirement, all of your Soviet arms should be no import markings unless imported from a US supplier. A basic Russian Molot M44 recent import in the US is $250-$300 for a wartime red shellac Soviet era style refurb. Some of the older Ukranian imports are running over $300.
I'm going to offer the guy $200.00 and see if he bites. He say's he paid $39.99 over 30 years ago. Thanks for your reply.
Did he take the bait?
I have one in exact same condition same color and year. I have a question as to if you know what the "r" after the production year is for I have attempted to look it up with no luck.
That r is actually G in the Cyrillic alphabet. It is an abbreviation for the word Gawt, in English that's year, so 1943 r means 1943 year
Thank you
I don't recall if it has one or not, under the wood or the buttplate is a possibility, I never looked for one.
I have this riffle and I want buying this riffle
M44's are not uncommon, you can find them in all corners of the world.
@@RockIsland1913 ok
$500 and up in 2020
Does the r mean it's a refurb? I have the same exact rifle in even better condition.
The R means year , not refurb. The Soviets had various names they may have used for the make work projects of refurbishing old weapons systems, but they would not have called them refurbs, or refurbished. Western collectors use these words to describe these rifles.
سلاله. كانت نسميها.
I just did get an M44 with a brand new bore, unused, unfired, it arrives at my FFL tomorrow. Paid very little for it too.
Cool deal. I wouldn't pay what some are asking for these now either. Not that they aren't good rifles or actually worth at least 250 as functional firearms if you ignore the collector aspect, but after having bought them for $50 or less I just can't bring myself to pay $350-$450. Of course it's easy for me to say that given that I own several, if I didn't then maybe I would be rethinking buying one at 2018's price. There is no such thing as an unfired Mosin, they were all proof test fired at the arsenal, and then test fired for accurate sight alignment before being put into store or sent to the field. What there is are rifles that simply didn't get issued, every army has reserve weapons that end up being sold off with the issued ones when a new weapons platform is adopted. Good to hear that there are still some nice M44's out there at an affordable price.
I picked up a 46 M44 at a gunshow on Sunday for $299 Izshevek All matching except the bolt. And it had a interesting stock repair 3 wedge plugs zt the front of the stock. and it was a extremely low number SN NH870.
US rifles started at serial number one and ran up from there, not so with Soviet ones, They scrambled them around to keep enemy's from determining weapons production capability's by checking serial numbers of captured weapons. We simply didn't care, we were producing millions of small arms and were happy to let the enemy know about it. Sounds like you may have one of the Balkan imports, mismatched bolts and that kind of stock repair are not generally found on Soviet refurbished rifles, but were common on Balkan field repaired ones. We had a big lot of them come in from Romania back in the early 90's, and another about 7 years ago from the Balkan region that had been used in the recent unpleasantness there. Nice find, and at a good price considering JG sales just started selling 91/30 Soviet refurbs at $450
Incredibly enough, two weeks after I finally found and purchased an unisued M44, I ended up buying a legit (not a converted 91/30) Mosin Nagant for even less than the M44. The guy who sold me the rifle too didn't plan to sell it but his wife kinda forced him to. Apparently he never used it and it just sat there collecting dust. I cleaned it up real nice and repaired a crack in the stock. Afterwards I took it to a 500 yard range and it was incredibly accurate at least at that distance. I managed to stay within 1.5 inch groupings. I think the trigger pull on this rifle is in large part what makes a remarkable difference in accuracy compared to other Mosin Nagant rifles. I didn't know a Mosin could have such a nice trigger pull. On the flip side, I cannot get consistent groups out of my M44. Obviously it uses only iron sights, but the trigger pull is horrible and perhaps the bayonet play a small role in making it slightly less accurate than it could be.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice m44. Lets see your m1s and krags you're talking about.
trevor st.clair Didn't I already do a video on the Krag? The M1's will have to wait until I have time, right now I have a lot going on.
I have a 1947 year m44
1947 was a low production year making it a harder date to find. "47 eluded me for several years back when M44's flooded the market and I was making a 1943-1948 collection.
रेज कितना है कितने मिटर पर गोली जाती है
Price sir g in pakistan
What is the x mark on the top of the butt stock ?
Hey man if you still got that I'll give you five hundred bucks for it
Mere pass ye model hy bilkul orignal parts mi
It's been issued.
Yea it's issued, to me for 24 years, if I knew then what I know now about what people would be paying for these I would have bought the dealers entire stock and had him order me more. I did buy more later on as they came available on the market, but they were the more generic Soviet refurbs brought in from Ukraine in the wood crates. I don't think we ever did find out who stored Mosins in oily paper wrapped with string. I still remember every detail of that transaction, how much, the dickering, who was hanging around in the shop, the ammo I bought with it, the other guns I looked at that day. Can remember maybe half of what I did today, but a gun transaction from near a quarter century ago is no problem.
I have this riffle
Пожалуйста, напишите нам Имеет ли (м 44 мосин) оружие хром в стволе ??? Если да, то в каком году ???
My translation program has your question as-
Would you please write to us if (M 44 Mosin) The weapons of chromium in the barrel? If so, in what year?
The bore is not chrome lined on any Soviet bolt action military rifle that I have, that includes Finnish reworks and rifles made in Poland, Hungary, China, or Romania. I have seen chrome lined bores in SKS rifles, but they started doing that later than the 1950 Tula SKS I own.
@@RockIsland1913 I actually have a early Chinese Type 56 that lacks the chrome lined barrel.
Early Soviet SKS also lacks a chrome lined bore, my 1950 Tula is lacking the chrome. The Soviets set up the Chinese state with tooling and expertise to make these rifles, examples are known to still have Soviet markings on some parts. I suppose the early rifles in China as in the Soviet Union needed to prepare for the chrome process before implementing it, yet production needed to get started. Chrome isn't necessary for a rifle to function after all.
Anybody who thinks this is in original condition is ignorant.
This video is from 8 years ago, in that time we had gained access to a great deal more information on these Soviet Mosins than we had early on. This is thanks mostly to research being done inside Russia using original source material and slowly being published in English ( in Russian first of course ) This carbine is still somewhat of a mystery to me, if it is a refurb then it's characteristics do not match the many other Soviet M44 refurbs I own. Not in stock finish, bluing quality, or in it's original import packaging. This was the first M44 I bought back around 1993-94, before the flood of Mosins started to pour in from Ukraine, at least the refurb Mosins. At that time we were mostly seeing imports from Romania, and most of these tended to be well used. It was wrapped in layers of thin paper and string, no sign of the wood crate, accessories, red shellac. My dealer at the time, some years before I got my own FFL, had maybe ten of them like this, and they were a new experience for us after knowing only well used Chinese T53's from Omega that looked like they had been to see the elephant about fifty times, and never cleaned afterward. Years later the M44 would be a common item along with all the other Soviets' refurbs. My dealer did sell these as new unfired rifles. Wishful thinking? Yea, probably, but at the time we had no clue what to make of them.
Rifle *
اريد واحده للعشاه
😢ASG899552002T620226😢
😢ASC899552002T620226😢
@@IssamuradmohamadNuman ???
pfff replica
Iff I could legally buy a rifle , this is what I’d buy.
Is private ownership of military rifles illegal for citizens to own in your country?
@@RockIsland1913 yeaup , pretty much any rifle is nearly impossible to aquire legally and no pistols . I’m a criminal though so the laws don’t apply to me 😆