Ncsoft 😂. Korea region is already dead. Ncsoft is wellknown for their p2w bussiness practice. Release content right before earnings report for fomo and cash grab. Tweaking % chances without telling the customers, which is why kr players are boycotting their games. Their stok dropped 80% within a year. U think they will not milk you? Botting killed their previous games. Throne of liberty bot is already for sale on the market. Last but not least: AGS publishing another korean grindfest after lost ark lost 99% of their playerbase. Enjoy and be warned. 1 tip I can give new MMO players. W8 for whatever MMO for at least 6 months. If the game is not dead or lost 90% of the population. Give it a try.
I'm supportive of a sub model. WoW and FFXIV both have great content updates and utilize sub models, the cash shop monetization models all seem to suffer from content creation issues and I think it's because the income stream is flat out unstable and attracts a lot of credit card fraud and what not.
I hope they don't do a subscription model, no lie I just can't afford it. I wouldn't mind a buy once and own model similar to guild wars 2, 40 bucks and permanently own the base game. And every expansion price it at 20-30 bucks, that plus cash shop cosmetics would be great for their business. Now besides that, it would be great if they added a means to acquire auction house funds by playing the game as opposed to selling something on the auction house, perhaps via dailies/weeklies.
@@FRESHY_GG every p2w is impactuful that's why is called p2w. I get you are into the game and you don't want others to understand that, but it feels like false advertisement. The game is trying to lure players into progress without feeling the p2w at low levels. As soon you get deep into the game p2w is going to be impactful.
You don't need to spend real money buying traits anymore, you will be able to acquire them with ingame currency and reroll them and upgrade them very cheap
@@jefflowery7338 you can reroll stats and add and upgrade them more cheap and easy. Right now u have to farm really hard or p2w really hardy with this change p2w has been reduced signficantly. And skill traits add a unique wayd for builds and now there will be more customizations with the builds
You're fucking wild for saying they lowered P2W to be non-existent. What are you talking about? To all the people out of the loop: They have a premium currency called Lucent that you use to buy in-game items in the auction house. That's pay to win. That isn't going away. This guy is either full of copium or is clickbaiting.
You clearly didn't even watch the video and you clearly don't even play the game, otherwise you would have known that kind of impact buying traits had in terms of P2W. now that aspect has been removed. you can still buy gear and items, but you can also grind and craft all those gear and items, so yes its lowered significantly
How can you say they fixed P2W if auction house currency is still $? I can agree that the impact may be lower with the change to traits but we still don't have any specifics on that.
Do you mean the market currency is premium currency only or does it work like lost ark or guild wars 2 crystals where you can trade between normal and premium currency ?
@@Boneslark Market currency is premium currency, you can't exchange normal farmable currency for it, you can only buy it with $ or sell items on the AH
the game honestly is one of the least p2w mmorpgs i've played, especially for a KR mmorpg..compared to LOST ARK. it won't fail in weapon upgrading or trait enhancing, gear building is just a matter of time and relatively easy. P2W is just a speed-up of this progress, by doing daily contracts and dungeons you will get stuff you don't need and just throw them on auction you will get lucents to trade for gears you want.
Yep you right, but the only thing you need is traits and now you can make easy. So what you buy lucent for ? 👌🏻 i play in Korea 9 months i think this changes will be good for us who likes the game
all games are play loop. the best for TL is after a cap they will release new content again. If you always think like that its always result negative output. WHy not just enjoy the new content ?
Mmorpgs are designed to be played in a loop. Its all about how fast new content comes to break that loop. You need to have progressions that are worth farming daily and weekly, otherwise its not mmorpg, its single player game that u complete once and forget
So basically it will be possible also to migrate the KR account to global on release? or it's possible with a brand new account created in KR when they add the boosted servers?
Idk man, hoping this type of KR game is not going to he p2w sounds naive. NCSoft plus AGS does not look like a great combo, specially because of how Lost Ark was handled and pretty much died in the west (my region doesnt have servers anymore). It would be nice to have another good game to play now that i quit but cant bring myself to be hopeful anymore with these companies, hope im wrong about this one.
It has to be very minimal p2w. The game failed in KR and global release is the only thing that can save it. If they dont cater to western players then its their own fault for being greedy. Otherwise game is really good
Spear was supposed to come, but it was delayed indefinately. They want to balance all weapons before introducing new ones. Tell me what ur style is and ill give u few combinations that will be fun for u
@@FRESHY_GG Well they did not stop it? You've said in other comments that its not as impactful anymore or that the P2W is low, but what does that entail? If you can get any advantage at all in the game by spending real money it's always going to be considered P2W. It's fair to discuss how big of an advantage something is, but its still going to be considered an advantage and its still going to allow you progress faster than someone who doesn't spend money, so this video title is definitely misleading because they have not fixed anything regarding P2W, they have only increased the accessibility in which more free to play players can engage in the content without having to spend money, same with Tarisland.
if this lucent currency that can only be bought through real money not changed then honestly you will see that this will go lost ark path , explode at start and massively keep losing players , I can't imagine how can they put system in game that it's currency can only be obtained through real money , ya of course u can farm epic gears then sell it but still u won't get anywhere near the p2w players , they can try anything but as long as the system itself is still in place , this game will go on lost ark path honestly , it's just so frustrating these companies never learn , they don't see companies that are literally making billions of dollars only from skins/cosmetics
@@FRESHY_GG can you elaporate please ? what do you mean by can't buy most OP stuff ? , in the latest test you were able to buy epic gears which are the most op at this time right ? no info about legendary or what so ever ?
@@FRESHY_GG trying!! Truly. I want to play this game. But the subscription and the monetization … idk man… they already set they will roll with the same monetization model.. a few changes here and there might not be good enough. I want to stay optimistic… will see!
Naah, this wouldn't take too long till they Will give it back f pain to win system or maybe this will just optimize it a little bit. Cause again! A mmo without a pay to win system will not function well and it will eventually
As long as there is ANY form of PTW at all, most of the larger competitive MMO guilds will avoid this game. PTW is always a death knell in the West, with the exception of mobile games for some reason - but are they even real 'gamers?' lol ;-)
No. You can play open beta, then go on hyperboost server on KR and u start over on NA in sept. Cant transfer from KR, it wouldnt be fair. But u can use KR as a beta test
If you ever played ArchAge then you already know what this game will be - Just on a larger scale. Its a new generation of players not knowing how KR P2W games work. I hope they get his one right, but AA turned a lot of people away from KR games. Lucky for Throne, people are starved for a game, regardless if its good or not.
Sub model + P2W practices will drive this game into the dirt imo. I don't think anybody wants to pay to play then have to deal with the P2W aspects that are already in the game even with these new anti-P2W updates...
I wouldn't be so sure, it's better to wait and see how it plays out in practice. Usually, such a change that looks like the removal of pay-to-win suddenly becomes even more pay-to-win than it was before.
agree with u if they did but lets w8 and see , never the less this is the biggesta nd most ambitious mmo ( releasing ) until now in human history. i dont count aoc etc etc cz they are not out yet
@@Afterhours.101 how can u call sometjing p2w when top guild and top pvpier is free to play players ?! And u understand that u will be able to reroll traits with sollant now thatbu can farm in game ??? Or thay the game has a cap and all free to plau players gonna be at same point? Or that ppl wont sell u gear that they need for themselves ?! U obviously did not play the game brother , keep an open mind cz its really very mild p2w and the facts are there
@@ecosti lol I have 3 50s with over 500hrs in the game, was in noMP which was a alliance with kanon,and we won the first siege. I do not care how shill you wanna be to protect ur game. It's p2w. Lucent is p2w. When those whale guilds get ahold of those drops ur little pee pee guild will never stand a chance. Stop lyin to people bro. I for sure streamed back then too so look it up if you think I didn't play. Hell ya I had fun playing, but stop tellin people it ain't pay to win. Cause it is. Period. And if ur not in one of the best guilds good luck.
Big W changes, I'm looking forward to release.
hope to see more of these in the future
Ncsoft 😂.
Korea region is already dead.
Ncsoft is wellknown for their p2w bussiness practice.
Release content right before earnings report for fomo and cash grab.
Tweaking % chances without telling the customers, which is why kr players are boycotting their games.
Their stok dropped 80% within a year. U think they will not milk you?
Botting killed their previous games. Throne of liberty bot is already for sale on the market.
Last but not least: AGS publishing another korean grindfest after lost ark lost 99% of their playerbase.
Enjoy and be warned.
1 tip I can give new MMO players. W8 for whatever MMO for at least 6 months. If the game is not dead or lost 90% of the population. Give it a try.
I'm supportive of a sub model. WoW and FFXIV both have great content updates and utilize sub models, the cash shop monetization models all seem to suffer from content creation issues and I think it's because the income stream is flat out unstable and attracts a lot of credit card fraud and what not.
I'd be down for a sub model, if it completely eliminates every form of P2W
I play FF14 and I'd pass TL if had another sub to pay, F2w is the reason this game will be successful.
I hope they don't do a subscription model, no lie I just can't afford it.
I wouldn't mind a buy once and own model similar to guild wars 2, 40 bucks and permanently own the base game.
And every expansion price it at 20-30 bucks, that plus cash shop cosmetics would be great for their business.
Now besides that, it would be great if they added a means to acquire auction house funds by playing the game as opposed to selling something on the auction house, perhaps via dailies/weeklies.
If they end up going with subscription model I absolutely won't be getting the game
unless they remove the premium currency from the marketplace, the P2W is still in place in full power, sorry
not as impactful anymore
@@FRESHY_GG It is still P2W. These companies can do this because of your type. The sheep.
All or nothing
NCSoft has always had P2W in their games, I see no reason for Throne to be any different.
sure, but its very low, and not as impactful
@@FRESHY_GG every p2w is impactuful that's why is called p2w. I get you are into the game and you don't want others to understand that, but it feels like false advertisement.
The game is trying to lure players into progress without feeling the p2w at low levels. As soon you get deep into the game p2w is going to be impactful.
@@FRESHY_GG seems like u dont understand p2w :D if its p2w its op.. BDO best example
Will all this new content be part of the NA release?
QoL changes yes, new area, not at the start due to how the game progresses and unlocks new content, but eventually yes.
How is the pay to win lowered?
You don't need to spend real money buying traits anymore, you will be able to acquire them with ingame currency and reroll them and upgrade them very cheap
Oh my god, skill traits are a MASSIVE W.
explain i'm looking forward to this
@@jefflowery7338 you can reroll stats and add and upgrade them more cheap and easy. Right now u have to farm really hard or p2w really hardy with this change p2w has been reduced signficantly. And skill traits add a unique wayd for builds and now there will be more customizations with the builds
You're fucking wild for saying they lowered P2W to be non-existent. What are you talking about?
To all the people out of the loop: They have a premium currency called Lucent that you use to buy in-game items in the auction house. That's pay to win. That isn't going away.
This guy is either full of copium or is clickbaiting.
You clearly didn't even watch the video and you clearly don't even play the game, otherwise you would have known that kind of impact buying traits had in terms of P2W. now that aspect has been removed. you can still buy gear and items, but you can also grind and craft all those gear and items, so yes its lowered significantly
How can you say they fixed P2W if auction house currency is still $? I can agree that the impact may be lower with the change to traits but we still don't have any specifics on that.
Do you mean the market currency is premium currency only or does it work like lost ark or guild wars 2 crystals where you can trade between normal and premium currency ?
So you're a communist...
@@Boneslark Market currency is premium currency, you can't exchange normal farmable currency for it, you can only buy it with $ or sell items on the AH
@@Boneslark Market currency is premium currency, you can't trade normal currency for premium
the game honestly is one of the least p2w mmorpgs i've played, especially for a KR mmorpg..compared to LOST ARK. it won't fail in weapon upgrading or trait enhancing, gear building is just a matter of time and relatively easy. P2W is just a speed-up of this progress, by doing daily contracts and dungeons you will get stuff you don't need and just throw them on auction you will get lucents to trade for gears you want.
Lucent is still in the game and will be for launch. Its still p2w.
Very very minimal to the point u will not even notice it
Yep you right, but the only thing you need is traits and now you can make easy. So what you buy lucent for ? 👌🏻 i play in Korea 9 months i think this changes will be good for us who likes the game
Entirely too many systems. No idea why MMO’s have turned into systems into systems into systems.
but they are all simple and easy to understand
Good video
still the game play loop doesn't look like anything new to the current games we have after the hype of a new game this one will fade.
all games are play loop. the best for TL is after a cap they will release new content again. If you always think like that its always result negative output. WHy not just enjoy the new content ?
Mmorpgs are designed to be played in a loop. Its all about how fast new content comes to break that loop. You need to have progressions that are worth farming daily and weekly, otherwise its not mmorpg, its single player game that u complete once and forget
So basically it will be possible also to migrate the KR account to global on release? or it's possible with a brand new account created in KR when they add the boosted servers?
You joking right?
That wont be possible. Boosted KR server is only for KR , a fresh start server, no migrating
@@FRESHY_GG what do you mean by "you just swap to a different region" then?
@@GustavoDorgaMantuan maybe i just got it wrong...
@@iceman_official NA/EU will have a separate launcher like 100% of every other KR mmo ever released.
ITS STILL P2W
Very very minimal, you wont even notice it
waiting till september is gonna be long, thanks for video sir big W
Open Beta must be next month
open beta on 18th July
Koreans don't care about this game lol this game was always for the Global market
KR was beta test
Idk man, hoping this type of KR game is not going to he p2w sounds naive. NCSoft plus AGS does not look like a great combo, specially because of how Lost Ark was handled and pretty much died in the west (my region doesnt have servers anymore). It would be nice to have another good game to play now that i quit but cant bring myself to be hopeful anymore with these companies, hope im wrong about this one.
It has to be very minimal p2w. The game failed in KR and global release is the only thing that can save it. If they dont cater to western players then its their own fault for being greedy. Otherwise game is really good
You got my sub! Got any info on the different weapons and the playstyles they promote? I don't know what I want to do :p
Spear was supposed to come, but it was delayed indefinately. They want to balance all weapons before introducing new ones. Tell me what ur style is and ill give u few combinations that will be fun for u
@@FRESHY_GG I think i decided on SnS/GS!
@@Zejek amazing. More tanks is always a plus
thank you for this update video ....
They didnt fix anything about p2w, stop the click bait
They did. Why do u think they didnt?
@@FRESHY_GG Well they did not stop it? You've said in other comments that its not as impactful anymore or that the P2W is low, but what does that entail? If you can get any advantage at all in the game by spending real money it's always going to be considered P2W. It's fair to discuss how big of an advantage something is, but its still going to be considered an advantage and its still going to allow you progress faster than someone who doesn't spend money, so this video title is definitely misleading because they have not fixed anything regarding P2W, they have only increased the accessibility in which more free to play players can engage in the content without having to spend money, same with Tarisland.
@@Mosleso its a complex topic that ill cover more in depth in a different video
@@FRESHY_GG All good brother, I was just pointing that if they haven't really fixed P2W, then video is misleading. Goodluck in your next video!
@@Mosleso fixed doesnt imply removed. fixed was meant to be in a sense that its gotten better than what it was before. i never said p2w was removed
if this lucent currency that can only be bought through real money not changed then honestly you will see that this will go lost ark path , explode at start and massively keep losing players , I can't imagine how can they put system in game that it's currency can only be obtained through real money , ya of course u can farm epic gears then sell it but still u won't get anywhere near the p2w players , they can try anything but as long as the system itself is still in place , this game will go on lost ark path honestly , it's just so frustrating these companies never learn , they don't see companies that are literally making billions of dollars only from skins/cosmetics
it aint that big of a deal, you cant really buy most OP stuff
@@FRESHY_GG can you elaporate please ? what do you mean by can't buy most OP stuff ? , in the latest test you were able to buy epic gears which are the most op at this time right ? no info about legendary or what so ever ?
@@blacklord3212 watch my latest video where I explain in first minute of a video how p2w and buying stuff on auction house works
Black desert online doesn’t have bots
the only part which i heard different was the new continent wasnt linked with gloabal release at start
It cant be due to how milestones and game progressions works
Sounds great
games not gonna be good if they cant control the bots
Thats the last thing they need to get a work on and the game is gonna be great
skill trait kinda like elyon right?
Dont know how it is there, care to explain?
Maybe… just maybe… we will see. Still skeptical…..
@@Shadowexxc have faith
@@FRESHY_GG trying!! Truly. I want to play this game. But the subscription and the monetization … idk man… they already set they will roll with the same monetization model.. a few changes here and there might not be good enough. I want to stay optimistic… will see!
Naah, this wouldn't take too long till they Will give it back f pain to win system or maybe this will just optimize it a little bit. Cause again! A mmo without a pay to win system will not function well and it will eventually
what this game need are remove p2w AND a lot more aoe skills. with massive PvP content but mostly it's single target damage is boring.
They are adding more aoe skills and reworking few old ones into aoe to help with the zerg issues
As long as there is ANY form of PTW at all, most of the larger competitive MMO guilds will avoid this game. PTW is always a death knell in the West, with the exception of mobile games for some reason - but are they even real 'gamers?' lol ;-)
@@Mike-q6i numbers beat p2w
LoL....😂😂😂😂😂😂....if you fall for the "we removed the p2w aspect you are on cracked".. I will put money on it.
I didnt say removed, i said it was made better and less impactful on the whole game. Theres still p2w but compared to other games is non existant
Wait i can play the Korean version and then keep my character when the game releases in the US?!
No. You can play open beta, then go on hyperboost server on KR and u start over on NA in sept. Cant transfer from KR, it wouldnt be fair. But u can use KR as a beta test
If you ever played ArchAge then you already know what this game will be - Just on a larger scale. Its a new generation of players not knowing how KR P2W games work. I hope they get his one right, but AA turned a lot of people away from KR games. Lucky for Throne, people are starved for a game, regardless if its good or not.
another big oay2win as blade and soul lol
You didn't watch the video did you lol
great tl;dr of the meet-up
good info
thanks!
No problem
Sub model + P2W practices will drive this game into the dirt imo. I don't think anybody wants to pay to play then have to deal with the P2W aspects that are already in the game even with these new anti-P2W updates...
im sure sub model would make them delete any form of P2W, otherwise id would be a big fail for sure.
they removed the p2w basically now. gg best mmo ever.
I wouldn't be so sure, it's better to wait and see how it plays out in practice. Usually, such a change that looks like the removal of pay-to-win suddenly becomes even more pay-to-win than it was before.
agree with u if they did but lets w8 and see , never the less this is the biggesta nd most ambitious mmo ( releasing ) until now in human history. i dont count aoc etc etc cz they are not out yet
Kanon just released a video with the actual ncsoft people saying lucent is not going anywhere. ITS STILL P2W
@@Afterhours.101 how can u call sometjing p2w when top guild and top pvpier is free to play players ?! And u understand that u will be able to reroll traits with sollant now thatbu can farm in game ??? Or thay the game has a cap and all free to plau players gonna be at same point? Or that ppl wont sell u gear that they need for themselves ?! U obviously did not play the game brother , keep an open mind cz its really very mild p2w and the facts are there
@@ecosti lol I have 3 50s with over 500hrs in the game, was in noMP which was a alliance with kanon,and we won the first siege. I do not care how shill you wanna be to protect ur game. It's p2w. Lucent is p2w. When those whale guilds get ahold of those drops ur little pee pee guild will never stand a chance. Stop lyin to people bro. I for sure streamed back then too so look it up if you think I didn't play. Hell ya I had fun playing, but stop tellin people it ain't pay to win. Cause it is. Period. And if ur not in one of the best guilds good luck.
Good Video, thanks for summary
No problem, these are rough translations, but overall the biggest things are correctly translated.
Console ❤
its gonna be big on console
But do dou know dif der dar denny different dweapons?
Thanks for the translation!
i dont understand the question, sorry.
This is fake news....they haven't fixed p2w lol
true. they removed it !!!! this is the best mmo ever.
Thats what they said in the qna